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Facebook/Zuck Hearings (1 Viewer)
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Chemical X
Footballguy
With Facebook being a mandatory service for all americans, I can see why Congress and Senate is getting involved. I mean, its not like we have a choice when we sign up for Facebook, don't read their 98 page terms of use and then post our lives online.
Wait, what? Its not mandatory?
Wait, what? Its not mandatory?
glvsav37
Footballguy
most of these committee members have no idea how technology and business work. Let alone what personal data is out there already that we willingly share. And it is not only FB, every loyalty card you have from as small as your local supermarket is mining data on you each time you walk in the door.
I'll admit, that I don't know the full details of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and i know FB is no choir boy when it comes to exploiting things. But these committee members are embarrassing to listen to.
I'll admit, that I don't know the full details of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and i know FB is no choir boy when it comes to exploiting things. But these committee members are embarrassing to listen to.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
FB creates shadow accounts for EVERYONE. So even if you don't have a FB account, you have a FB account. You are in their database. They know what photos you are in. They know who you have connections to. They know your approximate age, where you live, and tons of other info.
So yeah, it matters when a gigantic company collects huge databases on virtually everyone in the world and then is irresponsible with that information.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Agreed.
The best outcome for this would be for Congress to pass laws similar to the EU's that would give Americans the right to know ALL of the data that companies have collected on them and be explicitely able to control what is done with that data.
glvsav37
Footballguy
i dont know much about that, but it seem like it would be a massive undertaking. Plus, lets be honest, how many people actually read and understand the basic controls already in place on platforms like FB? Now expand that to even instance of my voluntary opt in?
Chemical X
Footballguy
What exactly is Facebook's business? Like, how do they make money? Just think, we don't even want to give census takers information once every 10 years, but we all willingly spread our legs for this turd.
I am not naïve enough to think my info isn't everywhere. However, I have not willingly created a Facebook account either.
Zuckerberg created Facebook either to score chicks, rate chicks or make money or all of the above.
mr. furley
Footballguy
any of you ever fire up the internet? watch a tv? shop at a grocery store?
Scoresman
Footballguy
The best was yesterday when scum of the earth Ted Cruz apparently didn't care much about Facebook privacy issues or Russians using the platform to influence election results which I thought was the reason for the hearings. Instead he grilled Zuckerberg about whether or not their content reviewers deleted posts by the "Chik Fil A Appreciation Day" page or Fox News posts.
Facebook is certainly not innocent, but seeing our baby boomer elected officials look so disconnected and lost about how companies like Facebook operate makes me sick to my stomach about who we elect to represent ourselves.
Facebook is certainly not innocent, but seeing our baby boomer elected officials look so disconnected and lost about how companies like Facebook operate makes me sick to my stomach about who we elect to represent ourselves.
glvsav37
Footballguy
as someone in the advertising industry, FB's biggest revenue model is that it sells ads. But the way they do it, from an advertisers perspective, is that i can choose to only serve ads to specific targets and those targets are pretty granular. But the service it provides to my clients is that they dont have to spend their ad $$'s on a print ad that may be seen by a small % of their intended audience.
so there "data" collected is so much more valuable to advertisers vs other traditional media forms, including TV.
The General
Footballguy
He comes acorss pretty reptilian.
Read that he walked in his televised sit down with Congress where who knows what will happen and came out 3 billion richer from FB stock gains that day.
Read that he walked in his televised sit down with Congress where who knows what will happen and came out 3 billion richer from FB stock gains that day.
Scoresman
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/983789531257294848
“Mr. Zuckerberg, a magazine i recently opened came with a floppy disk offering me 30 free hours of something called America On-Line. Is that the same as Facebook?”
“Mr. Zuckerberg, a magazine i recently opened came with a floppy disk offering me 30 free hours of something called America On-Line. Is that the same as Facebook?”
Chemical X
Footballguy
I think we agree here.......they are a fancy data miner selling ads based on information we willingly coughed up.
I always laugh at the following scenario.......people have their entire lives plastered all over facebook. they have willingly ignored that this info is now public record. yet when something tragic or upsetting occurs, these same people immediately plead for privacy. lol
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
You're not wrong, but at the same time, technology has changed, and changed the way the world operates, so quickly that we have struggled to keep up with what that means. The world had never changed so much in such a short amount of time. Humanity has had no ability to keep up with all of the effects, intended and unintended.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Reminded me of this
Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got… an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially.
[…] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.[5]
Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got… an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially.
[…] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.[5]
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
video of this?Scoresman said:https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/983789531257294848
“Mr. Zuckerberg, a magazine i recently opened came with a floppy disk offering me 30 free hours of something called America On-Line. Is that the same as Facebook?”
Scoresman
Footballguy
It's a satirical tweet but very representative of the lack of knowledge the committee has about the subject they are grilling Zuckerberg about.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Ok, I did not think it could be real, which is why I asked, but these days, you never know what is real
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
Maybe they should just have their interns that do all their work and actually know stuff sit up there and ask the questions? I'm sure we'd get more out of it.
glvsav37
Footballguy
it really pisses me off that the person asking the question has the ability to inject their opinion but the person being questioned can only give yes/no answers and gets abruptly cut off if they try and correct the question.
I get it, there is a time limit, but the person being questioned should have an equal opportunity to reply—even if you have to pause the questioner's time limit during the answer.
I get it, there is a time limit, but the person being questioned should have an equal opportunity to reply—even if you have to pause the questioner's time limit during the answer.
Yeah, if one thing is clear, congressmen/women really love to hear themselves talk. They repeat the same things over and over.
And they all want a timeline. They have notes in front of them, start ramrodding questions about stuff they know nothing about and then demand a timeline to when it will be updated. Like their one concern about pharmacy ads is the most pressing thing in the world for the CEO of Facebook. WHEN WILL THIS BE DONE.
And I love how they try to sound like they know what they're talking about.
"Mr. Zuckerberg, is it true that Facebook is a publicly traded company of which you are the CEO?"
"Congressman, yes that is correct"
"And Mr. Zuckerberg is it true that your organization would not be profitable if you did not sell personal information"
"Congressman, we do not sell information. Some information is shared and we make money through advertising"
"SO!!! It's true that your organization could not make money by selling information!!!!!"
"Congressman, as mentioned we do not sell information it is shared to advertisers who then pay to place ads"
"SO!!!!!! YOU ARE SHARING INFORMATION!!! GOT YOU ZUCKS!"
"Congressman, you do understand that Facebook is people posting and sharing their own information on a public website"
"oha, uh, uhh, oh, let me get to my next question...."
I'm not a big facebook fan, but my God if I was Zuckerberg I would not be able to stay so calm with all these idiotic questions.
And they all want a timeline. They have notes in front of them, start ramrodding questions about stuff they know nothing about and then demand a timeline to when it will be updated. Like their one concern about pharmacy ads is the most pressing thing in the world for the CEO of Facebook. WHEN WILL THIS BE DONE.
And I love how they try to sound like they know what they're talking about.
"Mr. Zuckerberg, is it true that Facebook is a publicly traded company of which you are the CEO?"
"Congressman, yes that is correct"
"And Mr. Zuckerberg is it true that your organization would not be profitable if you did not sell personal information"
"Congressman, we do not sell information. Some information is shared and we make money through advertising"
"SO!!! It's true that your organization could not make money by selling information!!!!!"
"Congressman, as mentioned we do not sell information it is shared to advertisers who then pay to place ads"
"SO!!!!!! YOU ARE SHARING INFORMATION!!! GOT YOU ZUCKS!"
"Congressman, you do understand that Facebook is people posting and sharing their own information on a public website"
"oha, uh, uhh, oh, let me get to my next question...."
I'm not a big facebook fan, but my God if I was Zuckerberg I would not be able to stay so calm with all these idiotic questions.
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Johnny Rock
Footballguy
This still pales in comparison to the permanent damage done by the Equifax breach. They need to start solidifying the change to a new unique identifier system and get rid of SS numbers.
Scoresman
Footballguy
It's really ####### amazing that we have the CEO of a company that has a terrible reputation of privacy and data issues and really should be the bad guy in this, but instead its our elected officials who are coming out of this looking like idiots on a witch hunt.
This makes me want to create a rule for myself to never again vote for anyone over a certain age, because their inability to understand and relate to current times really makes them look like the morons they are.
This makes me want to create a rule for myself to never again vote for anyone over a certain age, because their inability to understand and relate to current times really makes them look like the morons they are.
Definitely. I really don't understand why there wasn't more outrage about the Equifax breach and more changes implemented.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
It makes sense though. In these hearings they are questioning experts in the field who obviously know far more than them. It's unavoidable that they come across as idiots in this setting.
These hearings should have either been a) done behind closed doors, or b) by a well versed sub-committee that had a clue.
But, I get it, the public is OUTRAGED over the sharing of "likes" on Facebook and need a public hearing, whereas all of your personal information that can lead to crippling identity theft is just swept under the rug and forgotten about. Maybe it's just time to shut it all down.
But, I get it, the public is OUTRAGED over the sharing of "likes" on Facebook and need a public hearing, whereas all of your personal information that can lead to crippling identity theft is just swept under the rug and forgotten about. Maybe it's just time to shut it all down.
Chemical X
Footballguy
this country has no principles.....simple.
we may think we are smart, but we are sheep. dumb dumb sheep.
all we care about is viral tweets, becoming a realty tv star and overreacting immediately to events that don't effect our daily lives.
what wells fargo is doing is hideous, but people still bank with them. the Equifax breach was horrific, but no one seems to care. the president said it best, he could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone and it wouldn't matter. you know, it really wouldn't.
we are a society od f waiting for the next vigil, meaningless march or _______________ strong. then we don't care. rinse repeat.
just think, we held hearings in this country on steroids in baseball.....baseball!
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
What's even the point of this s###? Does anyone really think they'll get any significant answers with a 4 minute time limit before the conversation is reset with somebody else? Like wtf.
glvsav37
Footballguy
how many FB like buttons are on Non-FB web sites?
WTF?? is that even a question....FB doesn't put those buttons on non-FB pages, the individual page developers who create the sites do so that they can be shared and gain more exposure to their own content.
She almost had me believing she might know what she was talking about when discussing FB pixels.
and i find it funny someone from Michigan saying data is sacred as clean air and clean water???!!!??!!
WTF?? is that even a question....FB doesn't put those buttons on non-FB pages, the individual page developers who create the sites do so that they can be shared and gain more exposure to their own content.
She almost had me believing she might know what she was talking about when discussing FB pixels.
and i find it funny someone from Michigan saying data is sacred as clean air and clean water???!!!??!!
Chemical X
Footballguy
this is the definition of dog and pony. ride it out....in a couple of days no one will care anymore, we'll bomb Syria or there will be a mass shooting somewhere.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I like every response from Zuck:
"Congressman/woman...*5 second pause*...proceed to a drawn out intentionally vague response
"Congressman/woman...*5 second pause*...proceed to a drawn out intentionally vague response
RUSF18
Footballguy
I take it you've never seen any of these public hearings before. The result is pretty much the same no matter who is sitting in the chair being grilled. It's not just technology they have trouble with. Find a hearing that's even tangentially related to whatever work you do on a day to day basis and you'll be amazed at how clueless our elected officials are.
Nothing better though than when these people make sure they make full use of the screen time so their constituents can see. Loved the NY Congressman earlier who made sure to mention how Zuck attended a HS in his district, how they were proud of him, and asked him to consider going back to that town and holding a forum on the issue.
Chemical X
Footballguy
Asked any elected official how much a loaf of bread or a gallon of gas or a carton of milk costs. hilarity ensues.
RUSF18
Footballguy
I think they have those memorized by now. The trick is to ask them how much would be out of their pocket if they went and picked up a dozen eggs, a gallon of milk, and a loaf of bread and on the way back filled up their 12 gallon gas tank.
eurotrashman
Footballguy
Scoresman
Footballguy
Wow, is there any kind of forced retirement law for jokers like this? Who votes for guys like this?
