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Exactly, the NFL is all about mis-information. The Skins, like all teams, are going to put the best face possible on the injury. It does the Skins no good at all to declare Portis out for the 1st 3 weeks until his injury heals. I'm not speculating that he will be out I'm speaking hypothetically.
You mean other than Dr. James Andrews, who's entire career and reputation is built on correctly diagnosing and treating injuried shoulders? Yeah, I'd imagine he'd take hush money to talk down an injury to the press.
Seriously, what motivation would Andrews have to say Portis would be ready by Week 1 if that's not the case? He's not a Redskins employee; and if he's wrong, his business and practice are detrimentally affected.
Yeah, I just don't see the advantage of hiding the nature of the injury.You mean other than Dr. James Andrews, who's entire career and reputation is built on correctly diagnosing and treating injuried shoulders? Yeah, I'd imagine he'd take hush money to talk down an injury to the press.
I think I'm going to pass on this one... and chalk it up to the fact that you just signed up in June of 06.Sigfawn said:
Read the post above. Dr. Andrews said that yes, and I agree with him. But it does not take into account rehab set backs that does happen fairly regularly in rehab. Dr. Andrews does not fill us in on his status everyday. All we get is the medias veiw of how they see Portis, which may not be correct.You mean other than Dr. James Andrews, who's entire career and reputation is built on correctly diagnosing and treating injuried shoulders? Yeah, I'd imagine he'd take hush money to talk down an injury to the press.
Just tried that, but the owner is a Redskin fan. Offered Westbrook.
And? My post had nothing to do with rehab at all. It had to do with Banger thinking that the Redskins are withholding information (which they very well could do), but completely ignoring the fact that Andrews came out and said "ready for Week 1". He'd have to be offered a hell of a lot of money to say something like that.
Palmer's doctor said that he was ready to play last week, but he didn't. The player and coaches felt different. It happens.
Did Andrews say he'd ready week 1? Maybe he did and I missed it. Tyer is apparently on the med. staff of the Skins and he's quoted as saying they have a shot at getting him back (sounds 50-50 to me). (quote)Meanwhile, running back Clinton Portis has begun some mild rehab on his separated left shoulder. The workload will increase dramatically this time next week, Tyer said, and "we think we've a shot to get him back (for the opener).I don't have a pony in this race and I'm viewing all the info objectively but to me there are a lot people with unrealistic expectations. Even if he can play week 1, don't you think that teams are going to do everything they can to knock him out? The Skins mentioned as much in articles I've read and were worried about but him in in blocking situations. If he comes back at 80% he's putting himself at risk for re-injury.You mean other than Dr. James Andrews, who's entire career and reputation is built on correctly diagnosing and treating injuried shoulders? Yeah, I'd imagine he'd take hush money to talk down an injury to the press.
Three things. First, Denver's going to have a much easier time of putting up a good record than Washington is... and even if they don't, they still got a 3rd and a 4th at the absolute worst.Second, playoff record doesn't supercede regular season record. If you do not make the Superbowl, you are still slotted in terms of regular season record. If you make the SB, you're drafting 31st or 32nd. In other words, if a 10-6 team beats a 12-4 team in divisionals and then loses in the conference championship, that 10-6 team still drafts before the 12-4 team, despite the fact that they made it further in the playoffs. Notice how New England drafted 21st and Jacksonville drafted 28th last year, despite the fact that New England BEAT Jacksonville in the playoffs.Third off, I'm not saying that Washington made a horrible deal. I'm saying that they gave up more than they had to to get Lelie. I suspect Denver would have been satisfied with the third and the fourth straight up (Denver tried to ship Lelie to Houston for a 4th during the draft this year), and Denver *CERTAINLY* would have been satisfied with a pair of thirds. Instead of making those offers, though, Washington wound up making an offer that could very easily give Denver value equivalent to one or more second rounders. So yeah, even if Washington goes to the superbowl, I'll still regard this as a coup for Denver and a reach for the Skins, just like if Samkon Gado winds up being the best RB in the entire NFL this year, he'd still be a reach in the 1st round because you could still get him so much cheaper.redman said:
I figured the way the Super Bowl winner was handled was the way that everyone was handled, but oddly enough I'd never actually checked that.
Agreed on the first point - Washington's division is murderous, and I'm not impressed with any other team besides possibly San Diego this year in the AFC West. I'm not sure I agree with the second. If a 3rd and a 4th (note, in two different drafts) was all that it was going to take, then you're assuming absolute stupidity on the part of the 'Skins that they just gave away the other options. The price of players changes as circumstances change, so Houston's (alleged) deal for Lelie on draft day matters not; for example, that trade was straight up and Houston also didn't at the time have any question marks at that WR position that Lelie was to occupy the way that the 'Skins do with the RB position that Duckett is to occupy. While they're certainly aggressive in targeting young, veteran players they want with draft picks which may or may not pan out, I've never heard them called stupid before. Denver worked a good deal, and I think the 'Skins also got good value for what they gave up. The ways for the 'Skins to get killed on this deal would be for them to fall flat on their faces this year (which Duckett's acquisition helps to prevent) or to fail to resign Duckett after his contract is up following the season.
I dunno, I was definitely getting the feeling from Denver management that, at this point, they'd settle for something that was likely to be a high 3rd-rounder. Instead, they got at least a 3rd and a 4th, and the possibility for much more. Like you said, the odds are fantastic that Denver has a better record than Washington this year. According to this pick value chart, even a move of 4 spots in the mid first round is worth as much as a 3rd rounder, and that sort of move would probably be small enough that Washington had to throw the 3rd or 4th in to boot. If there winds up being a 10-slot difference between the two, that's the equivalent of a 2nd round pick that Washington just sent Denver.I figured the way the Super Bowl winner was handled was the way that everyone was handled, but oddly enough I'd never actually checked that.Agreed on the first point - Washington's division is murderous, and I'm not impressed with any other team besides possibly San Diego this year in the AFC West. I'm not sure I agree with the second. If a 3rd and a 4th (note, in two different drafts) was all that it was going to take, then you're assuming absolute stupidity on the part of the 'Skins that they just gave away the other options. The price of players changes as circumstances change, so Houston's (alleged) deal for Lelie on draft day matters not; for example, that trade was straight up and Houston also didn't at the time have any question marks at that WR position that Lelie was to occupy the way that the 'Skins do with the RB position that Duckett is to occupy.
While they're certainly aggressive in targeting young, veteran players they want with draft picks which may or may not pan out, I've never heard them called stupid before. Denver worked a good deal, and I think the 'Skins also got good value for what they gave up. The ways for the 'Skins to get killed on this deal would be for them to fall flat on their faces this year (which Duckett's acquisition helps to prevent) or to fail to resign Duckett after his contract is up following the season.
I'm not using the draft pick value chart (I do agree that it has more relevance to the NFL than it does to FF), but assuming your calculations are correct, a 2nd for Duckett is not bad at all. For reference, they gave up a 2nd and Champ Bailey to get Portis. That's pretty good value, although again I'm wary about Duckett's contract status.I dunno, I was definitely getting the feeling from Denver management that, at this point, they'd settle for something that was likely to be a high 3rd-rounder. Instead, they got at least a 3rd and a 4th, and the possibility for much more. Like you said, the odds are fantastic that Denver has a better record than Washington this year. According to this pick value chart, even a move of 4 spots in the mid first round is worth as much as a 3rd rounder, and that sort of move would probably be small enough that Washington had to throw the 3rd or 4th in to boot. If there winds up being a 10-slot difference between the two, that's the equivalent of a 2nd round pick that Washington just sent Denver.I figured the way the Super Bowl winner was handled was the way that everyone was handled, but oddly enough I'd never actually checked that.Agreed on the first point - Washington's division is murderous, and I'm not impressed with any other team besides possibly San Diego this year in the AFC West. I'm not sure I agree with the second. If a 3rd and a 4th (note, in two different drafts) was all that it was going to take, then you're assuming absolute stupidity on the part of the 'Skins that they just gave away the other options. The price of players changes as circumstances change, so Houston's (alleged) deal for Lelie on draft day matters not; for example, that trade was straight up and Houston also didn't at the time have any question marks at that WR position that Lelie was to occupy the way that the 'Skins do with the RB position that Duckett is to occupy.
While they're certainly aggressive in targeting young, veteran players they want with draft picks which may or may not pan out, I've never heard them called stupid before. Denver worked a good deal, and I think the 'Skins also got good value for what they gave up. The ways for the 'Skins to get killed on this deal would be for them to fall flat on their faces this year (which Duckett's acquisition helps to prevent) or to fail to resign Duckett after his contract is up following the season.
When you consider that teams could have had Shaun Alexander or Edgerrin James for a 2nd, it looks like a much worse trade.Again, I'm not saying that Washington didn't get decent value, or saying that they got killed on the trade. I'm just saying that they got suckered by Denver and paid more than they had to pay to get it.I'm not using the draft pick value chart (I do agree that it has more relevance to the NFL than it does to FF), but assuming your calculations are correct, a 2nd for Duckett is not bad at all. For reference, they gave up a 2nd and Champ Bailey to get Portis. That's pretty good value, although again I'm wary about Duckett's contract status.I dunno, I was definitely getting the feeling from Denver management that, at this point, they'd settle for something that was likely to be a high 3rd-rounder. Instead, they got at least a 3rd and a 4th, and the possibility for much more. Like you said, the odds are fantastic that Denver has a better record than Washington this year. According to this pick value chart, even a move of 4 spots in the mid first round is worth as much as a 3rd rounder, and that sort of move would probably be small enough that Washington had to throw the 3rd or 4th in to boot. If there winds up being a 10-slot difference between the two, that's the equivalent of a 2nd round pick that Washington just sent Denver.I figured the way the Super Bowl winner was handled was the way that everyone was handled, but oddly enough I'd never actually checked that.Agreed on the first point - Washington's division is murderous, and I'm not impressed with any other team besides possibly San Diego this year in the AFC West. I'm not sure I agree with the second. If a 3rd and a 4th (note, in two different drafts) was all that it was going to take, then you're assuming absolute stupidity on the part of the 'Skins that they just gave away the other options. The price of players changes as circumstances change, so Houston's (alleged) deal for Lelie on draft day matters not; for example, that trade was straight up and Houston also didn't at the time have any question marks at that WR position that Lelie was to occupy the way that the 'Skins do with the RB position that Duckett is to occupy.
While they're certainly aggressive in targeting young, veteran players they want with draft picks which may or may not pan out, I've never heard them called stupid before. Denver worked a good deal, and I think the 'Skins also got good value for what they gave up. The ways for the 'Skins to get killed on this deal would be for them to fall flat on their faces this year (which Duckett's acquisition helps to prevent) or to fail to resign Duckett after his contract is up following the season.
Did they bring Stephen Davis or Duce Staley in to be the goalline back?ATC1 said:Bills | McGahee injures shoulder in practiceWed, 23 Aug 2006 08:42:42 -0700Leo Roth, of the Democrat and Chronicle, reports Buffalo Bills RB Willis McGahee (shoulder) suffered a shoulder injury in practice Tuesday, Aug. 22. McGahee finished practice, but had his shoulder heavily wrapped afterwards. From KFFL. Still feel the same way? Don't know the extent of the shoulder injury, but I'm sure this site will be one of the first to report it.Noahs Troopers said:McGahee >>>>>>>>>>>>> Portis
Maybe to keep Betts healthy.
Maybe to keep Betts healthy.
You wish.Maybe to keep Betts healthy.
Your sig is such a lie.You wish.Maybe to keep Betts healthy.
Your sig is such a lie.You wish.Maybe to keep Betts healthy.
Yeah, I just don't see the advantage of hiding the nature of the injury.You mean other than Dr. James Andrews, who's entire career and reputation is built on correctly diagnosing and treating injuried shoulders? Yeah, I'd imagine he'd take hush money to talk down an injury to the press.
