FanDuel/DraftKings Week 9 (1 Viewer)

[avina1]

What do you guys think of this line-up? I need to win some freaking money this week!

QB: Kaepernick

RB: McCoy

RB: Forsett

WR: Brown

WR: Johnson

WR: Randle

TE: Kelce

K: McManus

DEF: Bengals

I've got a similar lineup for my main Sunday: Kap, McCoy/Hillman, Brown/LaFell/Hawkins, Kelce, Novak, Browns.

Looking at most of my lineups so far I'm thinking I may be too invested in Kelce. May tweak this some and upgrade TE to Gronk and downgrade WR.

I too am so-so in Kelce. He doesn't get a TON of targets, but he still got 6 last week even in the blow out. Hopefully the Jets Chiefs game is closer than people think and they'll still need to throw.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

 

[Keerock]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

How do you vet your opponent? Strictly on # of wins?

 

[donkey]

My initial cut at a Thursday night lineup... thoughts?

Cam Newton 7800Andre Ellington 7700 (or McCoy 7800)Mark Ingram 6100Jeremy Maclin 8400T.Y. Hilton 8100Kelvin Benjamin 7000Travis Kelce 5400Brandon McManus 4600Cleveland Browns 4800For a cash game, that lineup is too invested in CAR passing game for my tastes - especially if you subscribe to the fade Th night players that a lot of folks. I personally think Ingram and Benjamin are both good plays, but don't like Cam so much. At 7800 on FD Kap is same price, coming off bye and plays STL who currenlty give up more FPPG to opposing QB and I think to be a great matchup for Kap. STL gives up a fair amount of QB Rush Yds and TDs compared to other d's as well.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

How do you vet your opponent? Strictly on # of wins?

Personally, I don't want to spend the time vetting my opponents, so I avoid H2Hs and small leagues on the major sites.

At FanDuel and DraftKings, I just play tournaments and 50/50s with large fields.

I do play smaller leagues at some of the smaller sites (Ballr, Swoopt, Draftster, Victiv, and the like) where the pros seem not to have such a presence.

I guess that doesn't answer your question, but I haven't spent any effort thinking about whether number of wins is a good way to vet opponents.

 

[Keerock]

My initial cut at a Thursday night lineup... thoughts?

Cam Newton 7800Andre Ellington 7700 (or McCoy 7800)Mark Ingram 6100Jeremy Maclin 8400T.Y. Hilton 8100Kelvin Benjamin 7000Travis Kelce 5400Brandon McManus 4600Cleveland Browns 4800For a cash game, that lineup is too invested in CAR passing game for my tastes - especially if you subscribe to the fade Th night players that a lot of folks. I personally think Ingram and Benjamin are both good plays, but don't like Cam so much. At 7800 on FD Kap is same price, coming off bye and plays STL who currenlty give up more FPPG to opposing QB and I think to be a great matchup for Kap. STL gives up a fair amount of QB Rush Yds and TDs compared to other d's as well.

Good call on kap/cam. I typically will fade most Thurs games, but there are very few points out there this week with all the byes. This game has a bunch.

 

[Keerock]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

How do you vet your opponent? Strictly on # of wins?

Personally, I don't want to spend the time vetting my opponents, so I avoid H2Hs and small leagues on the major sites.

At FanDuel and DraftKings, I just play tournaments and 50/50s with large fields.

I do play smaller leagues at some of the smaller sites (Ballr, Swoopt, Draftster, Victiv, and the like) where the pros seem not to have such a presence.

I guess that doesn't answer your question, but I haven't spent any effort thinking about whether number of wins is a good way to vet opponents.

Interesting. I have had success playing H2Hs (69%) and 3-5 player leagues (49%). Larger tournaments not so much (only 29% ITM). 50/50s I am only winning 50% of the time (literally 40/80 this year) so I lose the rake.

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

How do you vet your opponent? Strictly on # of wins?

Personally, I don't want to spend the time vetting my opponents, so I avoid H2Hs and small leagues on the major sites.

At FanDuel and DraftKings, I just play tournaments and 50/50s with large fields.

I do play smaller leagues at some of the smaller sites (Ballr, Swoopt, Draftster, Victiv, and the like) where the pros seem not to have such a presence.

I guess that doesn't answer your question, but I haven't spent any effort thinking about whether number of wins is a good way to vet opponents.

My H2H win percentage is better than all other contests for me -- near 85%. Maybe I've just been lucky.

 

[Keerock]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

How do you vet your opponent? Strictly on # of wins?

Personally, I don't want to spend the time vetting my opponents, so I avoid H2Hs and small leagues on the major sites.

At FanDuel and DraftKings, I just play tournaments and 50/50s with large fields.

I do play smaller leagues at some of the smaller sites (Ballr, Swoopt, Draftster, Victiv, and the like) where the pros seem not to have such a presence.

I guess that doesn't answer your question, but I haven't spent any effort thinking about whether number of wins is a good way to vet opponents.

My H2H win percentage is better than all other contests for me -- near 85%. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Do you vet your opponents?

 

[John Lee]

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

Unless you are winning 60+% of your games, you should be vetting your H2H opponents. If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

I am a profitable player and I still take the time to vet my opponents by checking their wins and sometimes looking their rankings up on rotogrinders (if they are not members, that tells me something, too); the time that it takes me to do so is minimal compared to the amount of time I spend researching games and putting together rosters, so it only makes good sense.

Is Rotogrinders worth the ?

If you are a FBG subscriber, I'm not sure that the Incentives packages that Rotogrinders offers (their premium 'pay' content) is that much better than what we have here (but I could be accused of being biased, so take that for what it's worth). The value in visiting RG is that they have a lot of free articles, blogs, tools, and their forums are far more active on all things DFS. To my original point, if a person is a member at RG, I generally think that they're more informed than the general DFS player...but that is admittedly a broad generalization.

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

Unless you are winning 60+% of your games, you should be vetting your H2H opponents. If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

I gotta say, I've played a few H2H's w/ condia and 1ucror and I've not see anything that is particularly special. Granted I'm catching them on the bottom end of their price points so maybe I'm getting their less optimal lineups, but they just seem like quality lineups just like mine (and most of the folks here I imagine).

Don't get me wrong, we all want newbs who are just dabbling for our opponents. I get that. I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this sentiment, but I think you're overestimating the number of "FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy."

In reading through our forums every week, I see many, many roster construction errors...I also see guys complaining that they lost because they didn't roster 'player X,' who was clearly recommended in one of our excellent FBG Daily guys' articles...and there is just a lot of general misinformation in these threads (i.e., somebody stating that the Monday/Thursday primetime games are easier to win because there are only 2 games). And those observations are from the guys who are actually bothering to post in these threads...I'd imagine there is a bigger percentage who don't post or visit the Shark Pool, who are likely less informed (by virtue of investing less time and energy).

I should also point out that there are some very astute DFS players in these threads too and I'm sure that some of them are profitable, but I stand by my original statement that it is -EV to play against the pros every week. To beat them 60% over the long-term is near-impossible, IMO.

 

[Keerock]

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

Unless you are winning 60+% of your games, you should be vetting your H2H opponents. If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

I am a profitable player and I still take the time to vet my opponents by checking their wins and sometimes looking their rankings up on rotogrinders (if they are not members, that tells me something, too); the time that it takes me to do so is minimal compared to the amount of time I spend researching games and putting together rosters, so it only makes good sense.

Is Rotogrinders worth the ?

If you are a FBG subscriber, I'm not sure that the Incentives packages that Rotogrinders offers (their premium 'pay' content) is that much better than what we have here (but I could be accused of being biased, so take that for what it's worth). The value in visiting RG is that they have a lot of free articles, blogs, tools, and their forums are far more active on all things DFS. To my original point, if a person is a member at RG, I generally think that they're more informed than the general DFS player...but that is admittedly a broad generalization.

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

Unless you are winning 60+% of your games, you should be vetting your H2H opponents. If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

I gotta say, I've played a few H2H's w/ condia and 1ucror and I've not see anything that is particularly special. Granted I'm catching them on the bottom end of their price points so maybe I'm getting their less optimal lineups, but they just seem like quality lineups just like mine (and most of the folks here I imagine).

Don't get me wrong, we all want newbs who are just dabbling for our opponents. I get that. I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this sentiment, but I think you're overestimating the number of "FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy."

In reading through our forums every week, I see many, many roster construction errors...I also see guys complaining that they lost because they didn't roster 'player X,' who was clearly recommended in one of our excellent FBG Daily guys' articles...and there is just a lot of general misinformation in these threads (i.e., somebody stating that the Monday/Thursday primetime games are easier to win because there are only 2 games). And those observations are from the guys who are actually bothering to post in these threads...I'd imagine there is a bigger percentage who don't post or visit the Shark Pool, who are likely less informed (by virtue of investing less time and energy).

I should also point out that there are some very astute DFS players in these threads too and I'm sure that some of them are profitable, but I stand by my original statement that it is -EV to play against the pros every week. To beat them 60% over the long-term is near-impossible, IMO.

Thanks GBJL...

 

[snellman]

It looks like we are going to lose one of my favorite articles this week. On the fanduel site it says that the new scoring feature of hiding players until games start is going to begin this week so I am guessing we won't get the playing the percentages article now? I liked that article a lot for the 50/50s and double ups (which is primarily what I play).

 

[John Lee]

Just checked-in here to share the news...seems that snellman beat me to it.

FanDuel will hide opponents' rosters until kickoff (as we have been reporting for some time)...but FBG is working on a model for subscribers that accurately predicts ownership--stay tuned.

https://www.fanduel.com/insider/2014/10/29/fanduel-new-features-alert-updates-to-live-scoring/

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this, but you still don't want to play against them.

Even if you beat Condia 55% of the time, in a risk-$10-to-win-$8 scenario, you're still losing money.

(And you really can't expect to beat any good player 55% of the time. Playing bad players instead makes a big difference. Game-selection is very important.)

How do you vet your opponent? Strictly on # of wins?

Personally, I don't want to spend the time vetting my opponents, so I avoid H2Hs and small leagues on the major sites.

At FanDuel and DraftKings, I just play tournaments and 50/50s with large fields.

I do play smaller leagues at some of the smaller sites (Ballr, Swoopt, Draftster, Victiv, and the like) where the pros seem not to have such a presence.

I guess that doesn't answer your question, but I haven't spent any effort thinking about whether number of wins is a good way to vet opponents.

My H2H win percentage is better than all other contests for me -- near 85%. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Do you vet your opponents?

Yes and no. Weeks1-3 I was borderline fanatic about it. I've worried less and less about it since then tho. To be sure, I'm playing in the shallow end of the pool ($5 and $10 primarily). Interestingly my 50/50 percentage is barely beating break-even (64%) during the same stretch.

My GPP play is atrocious.

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

Unless you are winning 60+% of your games, you should be vetting your H2H opponents. If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

I am a profitable player and I still take the time to vet my opponents by checking their wins and sometimes looking their rankings up on rotogrinders (if they are not members, that tells me something, too); the time that it takes me to do so is minimal compared to the amount of time I spend researching games and putting together rosters, so it only makes good sense.

Is Rotogrinders worth the ?

If you are a FBG subscriber, I'm not sure that the Incentives packages that Rotogrinders offers (their premium 'pay' content) is that much better than what we have here (but I could be accused of being biased, so take that for what it's worth). The value in visiting RG is that they have a lot of free articles, blogs, tools, and their forums are far more active on all things DFS. To my original point, if a person is a member at RG, I generally think that they're more informed than the general DFS player...but that is admittedly a broad generalization.

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

Unless you are winning 60+% of your games, you should be vetting your H2H opponents. If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

I gotta say, I've played a few H2H's w/ condia and 1ucror and I've not see anything that is particularly special. Granted I'm catching them on the bottom end of their price points so maybe I'm getting their less optimal lineups, but they just seem like quality lineups just like mine (and most of the folks here I imagine).Don't get me wrong, we all want newbs who are just dabbling for our opponents. I get that. I just don't think those "pros" are significantly better than FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy.

I agree with this sentiment, but I think you're overestimating the number of "FBG subscribers who invest a little time and energy."

In reading through our forums every week, I see many, many roster construction errors...I also see guys complaining that they lost because they didn't roster 'player X,' who was clearly recommended in one of our excellent FBG Daily guys' articles...and there is just a lot of general misinformation in these threads (i.e., somebody stating that the Monday/Thursday primetime games are easier to win because there are only 2 games). And those observations are from the guys who are actually bothering to post in these threads...I'd imagine there is a bigger percentage who don't post or visit the Shark Pool, who are likely less informed (by virtue of investing less time and energy).

I should also point out that there are some very astute DFS players in these threads too and I'm sure that some of them are profitable, but I stand by my original statement that it is -EV to play against the pros every week. To beat them 60% over the long-term is near-impossible, IMO.

I agree that consistently winning against, say, condia would be really tough. I'm just pointing out that these guys aren't somehow magic. As I said before, I think every lineup I submit is flawless. While the data pretty strongly indicates my belief is less than accurate, I think I manage to put up mostly solid lineups. Who's to say condia doesn't need to scout my lineups in Thursday games?

 

[Keerock]

It looks like we are going to lose one of my favorite articles this week. On the fanduel site it says that the new scoring feature of hiding players until games start is going to begin this week so I am guessing we won't get the playing the percentages article now? I liked that article a lot for the 50/50s and double ups (which is primarily what I play).

That does suck!

 

[John Lee]

It looks like we are going to lose one of my favorite articles this week. On the fanduel site it says that the new scoring feature of hiding players until games start is going to begin this week so I am guessing we won't get the playing the percentages article now? I liked that article a lot for the 50/50s and double ups (which is primarily what I play).

Not so fast, Grasshopper...FBG just might have you covered!

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

Anyone have any insight on a cheapy WR option for GPP play? Every iteration I create leaves me w/ $5000 or less for that last WR spot. Nothing looks remotely good to me at that price point this week.

 

[Keerock]

Anyone have any insight on a cheapy WR option for GPP play? Every iteration I create leaves me w/ $5000 or less for that last WR spot. Nothing looks remotely good to me at that price point this week.

In this order...

Cotchery ($4900 - if you can use Thursday games)

Miles Austin ($4800)

Jarius Wright ($4900)

Tavon Austin ($4900)

Andre Roberts ($4900)

Paul Richardson ($4900)

 

[(HULK)]

John,

Fwiw I am 100% in winning the Monday Thursday games. It's a small sample obviously, but still, they may indeed be easier somehow.

Conversely, I think I've only won one Sunday 1 PM only game.

Probably done about 15 or so 50/50s of each variety.

Could be randomness, could be something else.

 

[snogger]

Anyone have any insight on a cheapy WR option for GPP play? Every iteration I create leaves me w/ $5000 or less for that last WR spot. Nothing looks remotely good to me at that price point this week.

I was thinking Jermaine Kearse at $4700 vs. Oakland is a decent throw in allowing more for other players.

 

[avina1]

Anyone have any insight on a cheapy WR option for GPP play? Every iteration I create leaves me w/ $5000 or less for that last WR spot. Nothing looks remotely good to me at that price point this week.

I'm trying a GPP play this week using cheap WR's, going to see how it works out.

Brady

Foster

Hillman

Randle

Kearse

Austin

Gronk

Parkey

Bengals

 

[avina1]

Anyone have any insight on a cheapy WR option for GPP play? Every iteration I create leaves me w/ $5000 or less for that last WR spot. Nothing looks remotely good to me at that price point this week.

In this order...

Cotchery ($4900 - if you can use Thursday games)

Miles Austin ($4800)

Jarius Wright ($4900)

Tavon Austin ($4900)

Andre Roberts ($4900)

Paul Richardson ($4900)

Also, James Jones and Malcolm Floyd at $5600.

Kenny Britt at $5300 as well. Quick is done.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

John,

Fwiw I am 100% in winning the Monday Thursday games. It's a small sample obviously, but still, they may indeed be easier somehow.

Conversely, I think I've only won one Sunday 1 PM only game.

Probably done about 15 or so 50/50s of each variety.

Could be randomness, could be something else.

Statements like "Such-and-such types of games are unprofitable" are always a bit self-correcting. Some games are so unprofitable that only morons play in them, which makes them quite profitable indeed.

It reminds me of the quote attributed to Yogi Berra about how nobody goes to Disneyland anymore because it's too crowded.

 

[Bhdevault]

As far as 'vetting' H2H's. When I first started on Fanduel, I would never post my own games, as with my low number of wins, they would get scooped up quickly by sharks.

Now that I have over 1000 wins, I have been posting H2H games 5 at a time at the $1 and $2 level. I would say easily 8 out of 10 of these are picked up by guys with 1-50 wins tops.

I believe the sharks avoid guys like me, guys with a high amount of wins. Not that mine compare to some of the BIG dogs, but it's been working so far the past 3-4 weeks.

Now NBA on the other hand. I posted around 50 H2H today and I have a ton picked up with high win guys. Only one day of sampling, but I may have to scale back on NBA H2H's.

 

[Ever Present Lurker]

As far as 'vetting' H2H's. When I first started on Fanduel, I would never post my own games, as with my low number of wins, they would get scooped up quickly by sharks.

Now that I have over 1000 wins, I have been posting H2H games 5 at a time at the $1 and $2 level. I would say easily 8 out of 10 of these are picked up by guys with 1-50 wins tops.

I believe the sharks avoid guys like me, guys with a high amount of wins. Not that mine compare to some of the BIG dogs, but it's been working so far the past 3-4 weeks.

Now NBA on the other hand. I posted around 50 H2H today and I have a ton picked up with high win guys. Only one day of sampling, but I may have to scale back on NBA H2H's.

Does Draft King have any way to "vet" opponents?

 

[Skoo]

John,

Fwiw I am 100% in winning the Monday Thursday games. It's a small sample obviously, but still, they may indeed be easier somehow.

Conversely, I think I've only won one Sunday 1 PM only game.

Probably done about 15 or so 50/50s of each variety.

Could be randomness, could be something else.

I was the one who made the statement about the primetime games being easier because there's only 4 teams of players to choose from. I'd have to check, but I think I've cashed in every Sun-Mon game I've played as well. Took 39th I think out of 1050 this week on DK. Yes, I realize this is also a small sample size.

I do still think they are easier, and yes maybe that's just for me personally and not a universal rule. But someone asked about strategy for these and I told them why I like the primetime games - namely that with fewer "studs" to choose from it makes it easier to get all or most of those big point scorers in your lineup and still make it work. On a lot of these I have put up more points than I did in any of my regular sunday contests, which seems counterintuitive.

 

[dancingbones]

From now on, the value charts that are posted on Monday will be for the Mon-Thurs contests.

I've got FanDuel and DraftKings up right now.

As of now, projections for MNF game are by me, David, and Sigmund.

Projections for TNF game are only by me. I'll add David's and Sig's TNF projections when and if they become available before MNF kickoff.

Sometime after MFN kickoff, the value charts will switch to normal Week 9 fare.

On a side note, I actually don't think the Mon-Thurs games are a great idea to play. There are so few players available, I think most people will have very similar lineups and the luck-skill ratio will be a lot higher. There's still some skill involved, but perhaps not so much that a skilled player can expect to beat the rake. It still could be fun, though, so if you're inclined to play the Mon-Thurs games, give the value charts a whirl and see if they work properly. I think they do, but in a rush to get them posted, I haven't done as much testing as I'd normally do...

Thanks Maurile.

I didn't see this earlier, but I do like to have a small amount of $$ on the Mon-Thurs contests to make the games more interesting to watch.

Fun format, and great addition.

 

[Joe T]

If you are playing most of your action against Al_Smizzle, CSURams88, CONDIA, 1ucror, dinkpiece, etc, you will never win over the long-term because those guys will beat you at least as much as you beat them (probably more). After the rake, there is no way to profit when routinely playing against those opponents.

Oh come on.

 

[Joe T]

How much is the rake at FD? 20%? Seems a tad steep, but I'm not sure how the official calculation works.

If you play in a $1 head to head, you only can win 80 cents. That feels like 20% to me.... oof.

 

[jandyt]

How much is the rake at FD? 20%? Seems a tad steep, but I'm not sure how the official calculation works.

If you play in a $1 head to head, you only can win 80 cents. That feels like 20% to me.... oof.

Rake is only 10%. In a $1 H2H $2 is paid in and 1.80 is paid out.

 

[Peyton Marino]

How much is the rake at FD? 20%? Seems a tad steep, but I'm not sure how the official calculation works.

If you play in a $1 head to head, you only can win 80 cents. That feels like 20% to me.... oof.

Rake is only 10%. In a $1 H2H $2 is paid in and 1.80 is paid out.

for the purpose of ROI calculation, though, you're betting $1 to win $1.80. it's the equivalent of betting on a sports game at -125.

 

[Pantherz]

How much time/energy do you put into picking your opponents in cash games on FD? I typically steer clear of the big players, but is it really worth the hassle? I mean, they likely lose 50% of their games just like the rest of us...

I've found it much easier to just create your H2Hs and let them find you. I usually end up with almost all my opponents under 100 wins and a suprising amount with 0 wins. I usually create about 5 at a time and let them fill. Every once in a while an experienced player will scoop all your games(very rare) which is why I typically don't put too many out at one time.

 

[Keerock]

Having a really hard time finding a lineup I like with Luck/Manning at QB. I seem to have the best luck (no pun intended) with lineups using one of the big 3 (Luck/Manning/Rogers), but not feeling it this week.

 

[IgglesFan]

Fading Mark Ingram this week, even at his low price.

A few weeks ago, everyone fell in love with Rashard Jennings after a huge Sunday performance against the Texans: 34 carries, 170+ yards, TD. He then played four days later against the dreadful Redskins, and everyone was licking their chops. Except the Giants opted to rest their bellcow after a ton of touches just 4 days earlier. He had just 13 carries for 55 yards before giving way to Williams.

Ingram just had 24 carries, and 2 catches, for 26 touches in his first game back from an injury. I am sure he is sore, and with Robinson perhaps back in the mix tonight, and Cadet in the wings, I could easily see a scenario where the Saints run a committee, as well as use the short-pass in lieu of the run to move the ball, limiting the wear and tear on Ingram.

Sure, he could have another 25+ touches, but something tells me 15-17 carries for 65-70 yards sounds more likely. You would relly have to hope for the TD to make it worthwhile.

 

[snellman]

I think I am going to take a chance and throw out a couple tournament lineups with Jeremy Hill on them tonight, taking the chance that Bernard is not going to play. It really frees up some roster room for other positions. Keep in mind, these are $1 tournament entries so it is not like I am throwing a lot of money away:

Here is one:

QB
Colin Kaepernick
SF v STL

RB
Mark Ingram
NO @ CAR

RB
Jeremy Hill
CIN v JAC

WR
Antonio Brown
PIT v BAL

WR
Kelvin Benjamin
CAR v NO

WR
Brandin Cooks
NO @ CAR

TE
Rob Gronkowski
NE v DEN

K
Brandon McManus
DEN @ NE

D
Kansas City Chiefs

 

[ORC]

Fading Mark Ingram this week, even at his low price.

A few weeks ago, everyone fell in love with Rashard Jennings after a huge Sunday performance against the Texans: 34 carries, 170+ yards, TD. He then played four days later against the dreadful Redskins, and everyone was licking their chops. Except the Giants opted to rest their bellcow after a ton of touches just 4 days earlier. He had just 13 carries for 55 yards before giving way to Williams.

Ingram just had 24 carries, and 2 catches, for 26 touches in his first game back from an injury. I am sure he is sore, and with Robinson perhaps back in the mix tonight, and Cadet in the wings, I could easily see a scenario where the Saints run a committee, as well as use the short-pass in lieu of the run to move the ball, limiting the wear and tear on Ingram.

Sure, he could have another 25+ touches, but something tells me 15-17 carries for 65-70 yards sounds more likely. You would relly have to hope for the TD to make it worthwhile.

Carolina is dead last in the league at 5.2 YPC allowed. Ingram is #1 among RBs with 5.7 YPC. He's scored a TD in 7 of the last 8 games he's gotten more than 10 carries. Robinson didn't practice Tuesday. If you're fading, you should grab Cadet and Cooks.

 

[karmarooster]

It looks like we are going to lose one of my favorite articles this week. On the fanduel site it says that the new scoring feature of hiding players until games start is going to begin this week so I am guessing we won't get the playing the percentages article now? I liked that article a lot for the 50/50s and double ups (which is primarily what I play).

Not so fast, Grasshopper...FBG just might have you covered!

Looks like the Playing the Percentages article is up for this week (now modified due to no percentages shown). Whereas before the article was basically "these guys are highly owned, therefore they must be good plays" the article is now flipped to "these guys are good plays, therefore they must be highly owned." In theory that should work because the highly owned players are universally considered to be good plays due to some combination of a cheap price and a good matchup, or some sort of opportunity that doesn't match the price (e.g. the backup starting due to the starter being out).

However, with respect to the QBs mentioned - I find this hard to believe. Kaep and Wilson "both should be in at least 35-40%" of matchups, with Kaep approaching 50%, and Manning at 10-15%. 35% for each of Wilson and Kaep, plus 10% for Manning is pushing 80% total. For comparison, in previous weeks, a highly owned QB would be much lower (compare week 6: Manning and Eli at 16% each; Week 5 Brees at 16%; or other weeks with no one above 10%).

A RB or a WR can much more easily approach 50% ownership (as was the case last week with McKinnon and Jordy) because every team has 2 or 3 of each. Thus the total RB ownership percentages adds up to 200% and WRs adds up to 300%.

In any case - I appreciate the modified article given that it's a good insight into who should be highly owned, and thus an inverse of The Fade article for tourneys.

 

[Bobcat10]

Will the NFL freeroll for what you wagered in Oct be this weekend? What is the spend needed to get in it? I never heard of this freeroll until someone mentioned it in a thread at the beginning of the month.

 

[karmarooster]

Will the NFL freeroll for what you wagered in Oct be this weekend? What is the spend needed to get in it? I never heard of this freeroll until someone mentioned it in a thread at the beginning of the month.

Don't get too excited. It's basically a massive tourney that pays as if it were a $1 or $2 smaller tourney (at the bronze level).

 

[Bobcat10]

Will the NFL freeroll for what you wagered in Oct be this weekend? What is the spend needed to get in it? I never heard of this freeroll until someone mentioned it in a thread at the beginning of the month.

Don't get too excited. It's basically a massive tourney that pays as if it were a $1 or $2 smaller tourney (at the bronze level).

I won a dollar on that NBA freeroll last night!

I think I finished 3510 out of 50,000 people.

Now if I had bought into that...I'd have finished like 49,999.

 

[snogger]

Felt like trying out a Thursday to Monday game for the first time so put this together:

Colin Kaepernick
Mark Ingram
Andre Ellington
T.Y. Hilton
Antonio Brown
Anquan Boldin
Larry Donnell
Brandon McManus
Cleveland Browns

 

[snellman]

I am in a couple Mon Thurs tourneys and they have already put the new lineup feature in place. I can't see the other entry players that have not played yet, but it still does show the % owned on players in my lineup so we might be able to get a little bit of an idea of who the high ownership players are.

 

[karmarooster]

I am in a couple Mon Thurs tourneys and they have already put the new lineup feature in place. I can't see the other entry players that have not played yet, but it still does show the % owned on players in my lineup so we might be able to get a little bit of an idea of who the high ownership players are.

So someone could make 3-5 different Thursday $2 double up lineups for the multi-entry, and then have a good sampling of percentages for Sunday, correct?

 

[The man on the moon]

Here's my first take at fanduel this week... maybe a little tweaking on sunday...

Palmer

McCoy

Hill

Dez

D Thomas

James Jones

V. Davis

McManus

Chiefs

 

[jeaton6]

I went Hill and Ingram everywhere. All or nothing here.

 

[snellman]

I went Hill and Ingram everywhere. All or nothing here.

I am surprised how high his % is. He is 11-29% owned in the Double up and 50/50s I am in tonight and 8-12% owned in the GPPs. I am sure that rate will only climb higher if Bernard is out so it is looking like he is a must start in my 50/50s this weekend.

ETA: Also going to be very hard to fade him in GPPs due to his low salary.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

I went Hill and Ingram everywhere. All or nothing here.

I am surprised how high his % is. He is 11-29% owned in the Double up and 50/50s I am in tonight and 8-12% owned in the GPPs. I am sure that rate will only climb higher if Bernard is out so it is looking like he is a must start in my 50/50s this weekend.

ETA: Also going to be very hard to fade him in GPPs due to his low salary.

where do you see percentages? FD?

 

[jeaton6]

On fanduel. Ingram is 46-54% and Benjamin 37-42%. Cooks 20%, Graham 17%. Some huge ownership numbers.

 

[Keerock]

Hill only 7.5% in my GPPs