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I think Rivers and Palmer are the best QBs for cash with Winston 3rd if I have extra cash

my cash 

palmer  hunt  gordon  evans nelson hogan fleener walsh chargers

 
I think Rivers and Palmer are the best QBs for cash with Winston 3rd if I have extra cash

my cash 

palmer  hunt  gordon  evans nelson hogan fleener walsh chargers
Of those, I Palmer scares me most.  I would gravitate to the guys at home. 

Of course I thought jamming in Bell and DJ was the play last week. 

 
@daviddodds  has some advice for this week here.  Must read IMO.  The guy knows things. 

Stack Brady and Hogan essentially but TB is the key play--maybe key on him and rotate in other receivers.

 
This is where I am landing on for cash games - opinions?

Brady - Lynch/Gordon - Julio/Fitz/Thielen - Fleener - Walsh - Balt. 

ETA: The other thought I was leaning towards is doing TyMont/Crabtree instead of Lynch/Thielen.  That way I have a piece of GB too and have most of the top Vegas totals. 

 
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Not that I am complaining much, but I still don't understand why people just double super stack one game, especially a dud like tonight.  The leader of the Thurs-Mon has 8 players from this game.  I guess congrats on looking like you are winning a couple grand for a few days, but on the downside you have less than 80pts out of 8 players. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Of those, I Palmer scares me most.  I would gravitate to the guys at home. 

Of course I thought jamming in Bell and DJ was the play last week. 
Came to my senses and put in Rivers instead and used extra $$ for Balt D. 

And why is the LAC passing game so cheap- is Mia that easy to run on? I think a Rivers+Allen+Gates stack would be a solid and cost efficient start to a gpp.

 
Came to my senses and put in Rivers instead and used extra $$ for Balt D. 

And why is the LAC passing game so cheap- is Mia that easy to run on? I think a Rivers+Allen+Gates stack would be a solid and cost efficient start to a gpp.
It's because they were on MNF.  Usually most of the players in that game don't have their salaries move much, and the Chargers were probably low bc they were playing in Denver.  Hell , I think some of the TB players salaries went down on one of the sites bc they didn't play over the weekend.  I don't know if its because their algorithm thinks they posted a dud or something? 

Eta:  I really like Rivers + Williams too. 

 
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Stack the dud game that turns into a 42-35 shootout and you probably win. 
I get it in theory, but I do wonder how successful this really is.  I assume after X number of players from the same game you are capping your upside.  I would assume you want each non-qb position to have 2td upside on FD, and that's not very realistic with 7 dudes from one game. 

I fully expect a lot of these for the Sunday night Packer/Falcon game too: Something like: Ryan, TyMont, Coleman, Julio, Nelson, Sanu, Hooper, Crosby possible to jam in? 

 
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Here's my final GPP Lineup:

QB:  Brady

RBs:  Freeman, Gordon

WRs:  Cooks, Hogan, Thielan

TE:  Ertz

K:  Walsh

Def:  Chiefs

Going to probably pivot a few lineups off of this and swap the Chiefs/Chargers and Cooks/Jordy.  Also going to try a couple lineups with Cupp instead of Hogan/Thielan just to have a few GPPs that don't have the Patriots superstack.  Going to use this lienup above and substitute Freeman for Hunt and upgrade my kicker so that I have the RB/Def + Chiefs superstack.

I've followed this forum closely since the last 4-6 weeks of last season and you've been great for helping me learn how to create lineups. 

 
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All this talk about mad Brady and Cooks revenge, are we passing over a low % tourney play in Gillislee?   Maybe same thing with Kamara? 

I was playing with the idea of doing a gpp with 2 rbs from that game, 2 pass catchers from gb/atl, then a stack from a different game like Oak or Pitts. 

 
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It's because they were on MNF.  Usually most of the players in that game don't have their salaries move much, and the Chargers were probably low bc they were playing in Denver.  Hell , I think some of the TB players salaries went down on one of the sites bc they didn't play over the weekend.  I don't know if its because their algorithm thinks they posted a dud or something? 

Eta:  I really like Rivers + Williams too. 
Actually, both sites put out the next week's pricing before the Sunday night game, so players involved in the two primetime games Sunday and Monday will not see a salary change unless the sites think the defenses they are playing will alter the pricing.

 
What do you think about this lineup:

Smith/Kelce - An under the radar stack

Lynch/Quizz - Both at home against sub-par defenses

Jones/Nelson/Hogan - All three in high-scoring aerial contests

Walsh - Getting a piece of the SEA/SF mismatch

Tampa Bay - At home against a depleted offense and stacking with Quizz

 
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All this talk about mad Brady and Cooks revenge, are we passing over a low % tourney play in Gillislee?   Maybe same thing with Kamara? 

I was playing with the idea of doing a gpp with 2 rbs from that game, 2 pass catchers from gb/atl, then a stack from a different game like Oak or Pitts. 
I actually have a couple one off GPPs where I'm going to throw Kamara in because I feel like my GPPs are too chalky.  I still am not willing to trust Gillislee.

 
I actually have a couple one off GPPs where I'm going to throw Kamara in because I feel like my GPPs are too chalky.  I still am not willing to trust Gillislee.
Better believe I'm rocking Kamara. Those Pat LBs were really, really slow last week. I can see Brees targeting Kamara 6+ times easy. 

 
Here's my best 2 GPP lineups for Kamara.  There were a lot of good lineups to be had with the Kamara swing for the fence play.

1. Brady/Kamara/Gordon/Evans/Cooks/Hogan/Ertz/Forbath/Raiders  <----Brady super stack and paying up for Raiders Defense.  Melvin Gordon/Mike Evans are the studs I paid up for.  Also thought about switching to Julio instead of Evans and Arizona instead of the Raiders.

2.  Brady/Kamara/Zeke/Cooks/Hogan/Fitz/Kelce/Walsh/Seahwaks <----Brady super stack again.  Paying up for Zeke, Kelce, and the Seahawks defense and dropped from Evans to Fitz.

 
Here's my best 2 GPP lineups for Kamara.  There were a lot of good lineups to be had with the Kamara swing for the fence play.

1. Brady/Kamara/Gordon/Evans/Cooks/Hogan/Ertz/Forbath/Raiders  <----Brady super stack and paying up for Raiders Defense.  Melvin Gordon/Mike Evans are the studs I paid up for.  Also thought about switching to Julio instead of Evans and Arizona instead of the Raiders.

2.  Brady/Kamara/Zeke/Cooks/Hogan/Fitz/Kelce/Walsh/Seahwaks <----Brady super stack again.  Paying up for Zeke, Kelce, and the Seahawks defense and dropped from Evans to Fitz.
I like them.  Here was my first idea after I used Gilleslee+Kamara:

Ryan - Gill/Kamara - Julio/Brown/K.Allen - Bennett - Tavechio - KC

Went with the Ryan/Julio stack with Bennett coming back. 

 
So far two of my favorite ideas for gpps have been the Ben/Bryant stack I mentioned before with a Minn WR coming back. 

Version 1:  Ben - Lynch/TyMont - Bryant/Julio/Thielen - Gronk - Zuerlein - Balt

Version 2:  Ben - Hunt/Zeke - Julio/Bryant/Diggs - Cook - Walsh - Chargers

 
Decision made.  Instead of my 3 $4 gpps, I did 12 25cent ones and a $1.  When I do that I tend to try too many things/stacks, so I forced myself to stick to  a limited # of QBs and used my sheets of Ds that were bad at the end of last year and started that way this year for the most part.  My cash QB will be Brady, so I will just use him in the $1 entry.  Looks like my gpp Qbs will be Ryan, Carr, Cousins, and Ben.  I think the the last 3 will be fairly low owned compared to Brady/Rodgers/Ryan/Brees/Wilson/Rivers, so don't need to get too odd with those and will splatter in options from the core high priced games.  With Ryan I will probably do stuff like Gillislee/J.Rodgers/Kamara at Rb. 

 
Is no one worried that Julio got 5 targets last week? 8800 For 5 targets is not a winning strategy.

 
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Is no one worried that Julio got 5 targets last week? 8800 For 5 targets is not a winning strategy.
There was stat somewhere about his games after a dud game, and it was on the level of Brady after a 0 td game. 

 
What do you think about this lineup:

Smith/Kelce - An under the radar stack

Lynch/Quizz - Both at home against sub-par defenses

Jones/Nelson/Hogan - All three in high-scoring aerial contests

Walsh - Getting a piece of the SEA/SF mismatch

Tampa Bay - At home against a depleted offense and stacking with Quizz
Is this a cash L/U or GPP? 

 
I'm looking at something like this for cash:

Rodgers

Melvin/Alvin

Julio/Fitz/Diggs

Kelce

Gostkowski

Ravens

I know Kamara carries some usage risk. But I just love his matchup and game flow. 

 
Arizona super stack stupid or just crazy enough?

Palmer - Lynch/Elliott - Fitz/JJ Nelson/Adams - Gronk - Walsh - Oak

 
I'm going to fade Brady in all my GPP action. He's going to be off the charts owned IMO. 
IMO the % on QBs never gets really out of hand.  What is it tops - 15% or so?  I would guess guys like Ty Mont, Julio, Cooks, etc.. would be a higher ownership rate, so wouldn't they be the ones to fade if you are trying to avoid ownership?

I think it's all about the construction - if you are using Brady/TyMont/Julio/Cooks in a gpp LU, that is perfectly fine - you could get creative in other spots.  Get a low owned Def, Rb2, or WR3. 

 
Arizona super stack stupid or just crazy enough?

Palmer - Lynch/Elliott - Fitz/JJ Nelson/Adams - Gronk - Walsh - Oak
I worry a bit about Palmer, but I still like it for a gpp.  I look at super stacks when they are cheap like this, so if one doesn't hit it doesn't kill you quite so much.  ie IMO this is better than something like Ben-Bell-AB since you'd need such massive games from all to make it worth it. 

 
IMO the % on QBs never gets really out of hand.  What is it tops - 15% or so?  I would guess guys like Ty Mont, Julio, Cooks, etc.. would be a higher ownership rate, so wouldn't they be the ones to fade if you are trying to avoid ownership?

I think it's all about the construction - if you are using Brady/TyMont/Julio/Cooks in a gpp LU, that is perfectly fine - you could get creative in other spots.  Get a low owned Def, Rb2, or WR3. 
I just see lots of options @ QB this week, all of whom I think will be less owned. Brady probably has a big week, don't get me wrong. But it seems like there are several guys who are primed for big weeks. 

 
I worry a bit about Palmer, but I still like it for a gpp.  I look at super stacks when they are cheap like this, so if one doesn't hit it doesn't kill you quite so much.  ie IMO this is better than something like Ben-Bell-AB since you'd need such massive games from all to make it worth it. 
Definitely cheap...allows for a few studs at other positions.  I figure fairly low ownership and without DJ they will throw early and often against a weak D.  Love the Lynch/Oak combo this week.  I think they will feed the beast in an easy win.

 
I just see lots of options @ QB this week, all of whom I think will be less owned. Brady probably has a big week, don't get me wrong. But it seems like there are several guys who are primed for big weeks. 
Not arguing there.  AND if that is the case, then it might come down to other positions.  

Again, IF, but IF Brady/Wilson/Ryan/Carr are all within a couple points of each other, but Julio or TyMont has a dud day and you fade them, you are better off there than you were fading Brady.   Example Brady/Ajayi/Evans/Cooks just might be a better gpp play than Carr/Mont/Julio/Cooper.

 
Here is my current gpp where I chose to fade the 2 highly targeted O/U games: (just doing one of 13 completely fading those games)

Wilson - Lynch/Gordon - Baldwin/Evans/Pryor - Clay - Dawson - Chargers

 
Decision made.  Instead of my 3 $4 gpps, I did 12 25cent ones and a $1.  When I do that I tend to try too many things/stacks, so I forced myself to stick to  a limited # of QBs and used my sheets of Ds that were bad at the end of last year and started that way this year for the most part.  My cash QB will be Brady, so I will just use him in the $1 entry.  Looks like my gpp Qbs will be Ryan, Carr, Cousins, and Ben.  I think the the last 3 will be fairly low owned compared to Brady/Rodgers/Ryan/Brees/Wilson/Rivers, so don't need to get too odd with those and will splatter in options from the core high priced games.  With Ryan I will probably do stuff like Gillislee/J.Rodgers/Kamara at Rb. 
Let's say you wanted to pick 2 or 3 of your 12 25cent entries and enter those in the $7 millionaire contest.  What criteria would you use to choose the "best" 2 or 3?

 
Here is my current gpp where I chose to fade the 2 highly targeted O/U games: (just doing one of 13 completely fading those games)

Wilson - Lynch/Gordon - Baldwin/Evans/Pryor - Clay - Dawson - Chargers
I like it - Pryor & Clay are definitely 'more-boom-than-bust' potential. 

 
I'll probably keep tweaking on GPP L/U's through tomorrow night, but, two cash L/U's I'm pretty set on:

#1 QB/ Wilson, RB/Lynch - Montgomery, WR/J. Jones - Baldwin - T. Hill, TE/ Fleener, K/Walsh, DEF/ BAL

#2 QB/ Carr, RB/Gordon - Hunt, WR/Crabtree - T. Hill - K. Allen, TE/ Fleener, K/Lutz, DEF/ BAL

 
Let's say you wanted to pick 2 or 3 of your 12 25cent entries and enter those in the $7 millionaire contest.  What criteria would you use to choose the "best" 2 or 3?
Now that is a fantastic question. 

First off, I am a low roller (at the most $15-20 a week on average - 10-15 in cash 3-4 in gpps).  Last week was the first time I threw in a couple into anything more than a $3 gpp for NFL and I threw a few into the $7 millionaire contest.   Right or wrong, for me I think the $7 entry would tend to be slightly safer than a couple of the 25cent ones I have thrown in this week and on DK in in the past. 

To answer your question, if I were to pick the ones I liked best I get the ones that have;

  • high volume and target guys
  • low projected ownership guys in probably 2 positions minimum
  • guys with 2TD upside at skill positions if possible (TE is a little harder).
  • start off with matchups, or at least perceived matchups. 


Most of the time, I would probably pay up slightly for my RBs to get production and TD upside, and if I were to go cheaper it would be at WR or TE with a guy that still got volume.  Perfect example is my Ryan/Julio gpp that has Gilleslee/Kamara as my RBs.  To me that's a fun idea and I don't mind taking a shot for a quarter, but I wouldn't try to win $1M with that. Currently, that one is: Ryan - Gill/Kamara - Julio/Brown/Allen - Bennett - Tavecchio - KC.    It's fun to have those 3 WRs, but they are a slightly more volatile position.   Another Ryan LU I have is:  Ryan - Zeke/Fournette - Julio/Fitz/Thielen - Brate - Tavechhio - Jax.    Those 3 WRs saw just as many targets as the 3 in the first one, and it's hard to ignore the touches that the RBs had in #2 vs. #1, and they have little competition, and I think are overlooked this week so should have lower ownership. 

Like I and others have said, very rarely have I looked at the LUs for the huge winners and thought "WTF"??  It's more like "yeah, that makes sense - I wish I didn't try my Brissett-Moncrief stack". 

Hopefully my gin-induced rant made a little sense.  Long story short, I probably would start with RBs that I thought would have big workloads (20+ total touches), in decent matchups, and/or might be lower owned and work from there.  I think targets this week might be Zeke, McCoy, Fournette, and Ajayi.  All are big for their team, and I think all could be sub-10% owned. 

 
I listen to a few podcasts during the week while I putz around the house and one had a something interesting to thing about.  Forgive me, as I am trying to paraphrase, but for FD what they said was that:

  • over 80%+ of the top players for QB, RB, TE came from the winning teams on the week
  • only 2/3rds of the top players of the week came from the vegas favored teams of the week. 
  • IF a team goes over or under their vegas projection for the week, on average it's by a TD


Their point was that 20% edge for gpps comes from looking at the vegas totals, especially in the close games, and going against the grain a little.  Basically they hinted to look at the home dogs in close games first and then the other close underdogs, as the mass # of dfs players tend to look at the favorites.  Most of us don't want to touch Indy as a home dog, but that leaves Jax/NO/Denv.  The next close underdogs are Dallas/Wash/GB. 

Again, not to overdo it and be silly about it, but there are some good players from those 6 teams that might be overlooked for gpps.  Brees, Cousins, Zeke, Fournette, Cj Anderson, Ajayi, M.Bennett, etc..  Just an interesting place to look for what might be that one low % player in your LU, especially if we look and see they matchup with what the Defense allows - ie  Zeke in Denver vs. the "no fly zone"??

 
So my home bounceback for dalton didn't come to fruition, but I'll keep pontificating. I think the Arizona/Indy game is a total trap for Arizona. Their oline is banged up, struggled to move the ball after Dj went out, didn't look great on defense, and palmer floated some awful balls out there. Brown hurt, fitz got banged up a little. On the road, vs a bad Indy team that might look better (slightly) at home. I won't be running to put in Doyle and Hilton but I'll likely avoid the cards as well. Their defense may be the ones to step up for this game if they want to win. 

 
So my home bounceback for dalton didn't come to fruition, but I'll keep pontificating. I think the Arizona/Indy game is a total trap for Arizona. Their oline is banged up, struggled to move the ball after Dj went out, didn't look great on defense, and palmer floated some awful balls out there. Brown hurt, fitz got banged up a little. On the road, vs a bad Indy team that might look better (slightly) at home. I won't be running to put in Doyle and Hilton but I'll likely avoid the cards as well. Their defense may be the ones to step up for this game if they want to win. 
Especially with Palmer having 2 less options with Brown and Gresham out. 

 
So the Pats are without Danny A too, and basically just have 2 wrs.  NO D sucks all around, so what are the odds they go 2 TE and run it a ton? 

 
They ran it like 49% of the time last week even though they were losing.
In part this was because of poor output from receivers excluding Amendola's 100 and Cooks' 88.....less than anticipated production from Hogan, Gronk and the others.

If one of Hogan or Gronk does not go off, the Pats have serious problems going forward.

There are two competing going around this week about Gronk: (a) he was covered by the single best player in the league built for covering Gronk, or (b) there is something "wrong" with Gronk.  I haven't bought in to (b) yet but this week will be telling.  

Hogan is interesting in that I don't really know why he did so well last year unless its because he was the beneficiary of defenses focusing on other weapons.  I'm a little concerned that without Edelman on the field his production will be systematically lower this year based on the premise that he really isn't as good as his 2016 numbers suggest.  Having said that, pundits are calling for him to have a good game....we'll see.

These concerns are not preventing me from having a variety of $1 stacks including various combinations of Gronk, Cooks, Hogan and White with Brady.

I think red zone performance allows you to keep Gillislee with heavy exposure every week.  I expect him to easily achieve 800/10 this year, perhaps better....he's pretty much insulated from game script in that way unless NE is playing an uber defense (which KC is, basically, and you saw how Gillislee did there).  The narrative that NE will miss Blount is...to me....completely false.  Gillislee is a faster, younger version of Blount.  

 
Now that is a fantastic question. 
We have similar budgets.  I only play GPPs because its more fun for me.  I only play Sunday slates on Fanduel.  I dislike DK interface.

This week I have 16 $1 entries in Sunday Drive and 4 of them are also entered in $7 Sunday Million.  Oh and a free entry in $10k second chance.

Of 21 possible QBs, only 11 QBs considered 3 each for Ben, Palmer and Carr and 4 for Brady.  Single entries for Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, Cutler, Winston, Rivers, Wilson, Simien (!).

Of 42 possible RBs, only 19 RBs considered 6 lynch, 4 montgomery, 3 each Ajai, Hunt, Bell, Gillislee, Cohen.  2 each Ellington, Carson, Elliot, Rodgers, Fournette.

Etc

Million Entries (probably poorly constructed stacks but I like to swing for the fence)

Ben Roethlisberger Tarik Cohen Marshawn Lynch Antonio Brown Martavis Bryant Brandin Cooks Hunter Henry Ryan Succop Seattle Seahawks

Carson Palmer Marshawn Lynch Ty Montgomery Larry Fitzgerald Antonio Brown Chris Hogan Delanie Walker Mason Crosby Seattle Seahawks

Derek Carr Leonard Fournette Jay Ajayi Amari Cooper Michael Crabtree Keenan Allen Zach Miller Cairo Santos Baltimore Ravens

Tom Brady Chris Carson Kareem Hunt Stefon Diggs Brandin Cooks Julio Jones Austin Hooper Blair Walsh Los Angeles Rams

 
In part this was because of poor output from receivers excluding Amendola's 100 and Cooks' 88.....less than anticipated production from Hogan, Gronk and the others.

If one of Hogan or Gronk does not go off, the Pats have serious problems going forward.

There are two competing going around this week about Gronk: (a) he was covered by the single best player in the league built for covering Gronk, or (b) there is something "wrong" with Gronk.  I haven't bought in to (b) yet but this week will be telling.  

Hogan is interesting in that I don't really know why he did so well last year unless its because he was the beneficiary of defenses focusing on other weapons.  I'm a little concerned that without Edelman on the field his production will be systematically lower this year based on the premise that he really isn't as good as his 2016 numbers suggest.  Having said that, pundits are calling for him to have a good game....we'll see.

These concerns are not preventing me from having a variety of $1 stacks including various combinations of Gronk, Cooks, Hogan and White with Brady.

I think red zone performance allows you to keep Gillislee with heavy exposure every week.  I expect him to easily achieve 800/10 this year, perhaps better....he's pretty much insulated from game script in that way unless NE is playing an uber defense (which KC is, basically, and you saw how Gillislee did there).  The narrative that NE will miss Blount is...to me....completely false.  Gillislee is a faster, younger version of Blount.  
Ah, the headache of trying to figure out the Pats. 

I thought part of Hogan's success was that he took the top off the Ds while they were covering the short stuff with Edelman and the RBs.  I find it interesting that it seems like a lot of why people are big on Hogan this week is they think he will take over the slot b/c of Danny's injury.   Is it just as possible that Billy B puts Cooks there or Burkhead/White, or like I said, they go to 2 TEs because of the lack of WRs.  Or probably just all of the above?

 
We have similar budgets.  I only play GPPs because its more fun for me.  I only play Sunday slates on Fanduel.  I dislike DK interface.

This week I have 16 $1 entries in Sunday Drive and 4 of them are also entered in $7 Sunday Million.  Oh and a free entry in $10k second chance.

Of 21 possible QBs, only 11 QBs considered 3 each for Ben, Palmer and Carr and 4 for Brady.  Single entries for Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, Cutler, Winston, Rivers, Wilson, Simien (!).

Of 42 possible RBs, only 19 RBs considered 6 lynch, 4 montgomery, 3 each Ajai, Hunt, Bell, Gillislee, Cohen.  2 each Ellington, Carson, Elliot, Rodgers, Fournette.

Etc

Million Entries (probably poorly constructed stacks but I like to swing for the fence)

Ben Roethlisberger Tarik Cohen Marshawn Lynch Antonio Brown Martavis Bryant Brandin Cooks Hunter Henry Ryan Succop Seattle Seahawks

Carson Palmer Marshawn Lynch Ty Montgomery Larry Fitzgerald Antonio Brown Chris Hogan Delanie Walker Mason Crosby Seattle Seahawks

Derek Carr Leonard Fournette Jay Ajayi Amari Cooper Michael Crabtree Keenan Allen Zach Miller Cairo Santos Baltimore Ravens

Tom Brady Chris Carson Kareem Hunt Stefon Diggs Brandin Cooks Julio Jones Austin Hooper Blair Walsh Los Angeles Rams
I am just talking out loud here, but are you spreading yourself thin by going with so many players in your pool? Just curious b/c I was trying to do the opposite this week.  I am sure there are different takes on strategy, and there is probably a sweet spot that people suggest if you are mass entering 200 LUs, 20 LUs like us, or just a couple. 

I think I have about 20 entries and ended up with 5 QBs  and about 10 RBs: Lynch, Bell, Zeke, Gillislee, TyMont, Hunt, Gordon, McCoy, Fournette, and Ajayi.   

Again, not sure if there is a right or wrong way to attack this, it's just this week I was trying to limit myself so I don't go crazy with it. 

One think I noted on your above LUs - maybe think about switching some Rbs around.  Maybe something like switching Cohen and Carson in your top and bottom LU, so you would get a little stack of Carson with the Seattle D in that top one.  I would assume for him to have a big day, Seattle would have to be up by a bit. 

 

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