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Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible.

This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness"

Is the commish right to try and reverse it?

Its an 8 team league among friends.

 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
Guy dropped his player. If it wasn't an accident, then he can't take it back.
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
Guy dropped his player. If it wasn't an accident, then he can't take it back.
:goodposting: This
 
Nope. Finley on waivers. Hopefully you do blind bid and everyone has a shot. If not, whoever has highest WW priority and claims him will get him. Nothing to see here.

 
This is not a horrible move. Finley has been a bit banged up, and there has been some talk that Winslow could get a lot of targets from Freeman.....after Tampa Mike gets his.

 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
 
ABSOLUTELY NOT. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THE COMMISH BE ALLOWED TO REVERSE THE TRANSACTION. What happens if he reverses it, then Finley blows out his knee? The commish has no business trying to equate player values for another owner's team, regardless of the intentions.

 
If you dont wanna see productive players ending up on the WW you shouldnt be in an 8 team league
Right. The only way to play real Fantasy Football is to play in a 64 team league. Then you can act really superior to those who play in 16 team leagues, and be snide to them.
 
If you don't have a rule for this kind of thing, then the Commish has to back off.

There is a time and a place for Commish intervention (like when someone drops their entire team), but this is not one of those times.

 
What happens when Winslow goes 9-100-2 this weekend? And the owner loses due to Finley's 4-50-0?

 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
 
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Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
The commish should never interfere with any owner's decisions unless he suspects two owners of collusion. The commish should not protect owners from what he considers bad decisions. Owners are supposed to be able to manage their own teams. Sometimes what looks like a really bad call can turn out to be brilliant. You never really know, so you dont interfere unless someone is cheating/colluding.
 
If you dont wanna see productive players ending up on the WW you shouldnt be in an 8 team league
:goodposting: Finley on the WW is not that crazy of an idea in an 8 team league. Player stands as dropped.... whoever picked him up got him. End of story. PROTIP: If you guys can only find 7 other friends to play with, then I suggest the following lineup:2QB / 3 RB / 4 WR / 3 FLEX / 2 TE / 2 PK / 2 DEF / 6 BENCHVoila... problem solved and you're not dealing with everyone having all-star teams.
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
The commish should never interfere with any owner's decisions unless he suspects two owners of collusion. The commish should not protect owners from what he considers bad decisions. Owners are supposed to be able to manage their own teams. Sometimes what looks like a really bad call can turn out to be brilliant. You never really know, so you dont interfere unless someone is cheating/colluding.
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:
 
Unless there was some kind of collusion to get Finley to another team, which it does not appear, there are no grounds to reverse it. There is about a 90% chance it is a dumb move, but there is a 10% chance that it works out.

 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
 
If you dont wanna see productive players ending up on the WW you shouldnt be in an 8 team league
Right. The only way to play real Fantasy Football is to play in a 64 team league. Then you can act really superior to those who play in 16 team leagues, and be snide to them.
8 teams does seem silly. There will likely be a TE that outdoes both players and the WW in this league. The commish is way outta line.
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
Guy dropped his player. If it wasn't an accident, then he can't take it back.
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Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible.

This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness"

Is the commish right to try and reverse it?

Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.
I'm not going to say you're wrong because this is subjective, but you are severely in the minority here. You realize that, right? Why do you think that is?

 
8 team leagues always have strong TEs on waivers. So now the very idea that Finley won't finish top 8 is inconceivable, and demands that the commish take over this guy's team?

I wonder why we even play the game given that things are so certain.

So one player lacks "fantasy football knowledge." The problem is many people confuse their fantasy football opinion with fantasy football knowledge.

 
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Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible. This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness" Is the commish right to try and reverse it? Its an 8 team league among friends.
The commish should never interfere with any owner's decisions unless he suspects two owners of collusion. The commish should not protect owners from what he considers bad decisions. Owners are supposed to be able to manage their own teams. Sometimes what looks like a really bad call can turn out to be brilliant. You never really know, so you dont interfere unless someone is cheating/colluding.
:goodposting: I'm sure many of us have made drops/adds that we've later regretted, but also some that were criticized that turned out to be smart moves. With Arrelious Benn still a ? at opening weekend, I can see this move - I wouldn't do it, but I can see why it might look like a good idea...
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible.

This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness"

Is the commish right to try and reverse it?

Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.
I'm not going to say you're wrong because this is subjective, but you are severely in the minority here. You realize that, right? Why do you think that is?
:shrug: Maybe because this a FBG message board and tends to be populated by hard core football fans. And maybe a lot of you have never been commish and had to deal with friends who wanted to play fantasy football in the league with all their buddies but weren't the biggest football fans themselves. Thats a possibility.

Or maybe you all are right and me this unnamed commish are wrong.

 
So if the same guy cuts Tom Brady and picks up Colt McCoy because he reads that Colt McCoy is going to have a breakout week, do you let that go too. Just because there is no collusion.

Or do say, hey buddy why don't you pickup Colt McCoy and cut Danny Amendola. Then if it does not work out you will still have Tom Brady on your roster. You can always go back and get a Danny Amendola type receiver. Over time, your buddy will become more competetive and the league will be more fun.

Guess I am in the minority, but I can totally see why the commish did this.

 
So if the same guy cuts Tom Brady and picks up Colt McCoy because he reads that Colt McCoy is going to have a breakout week, do you let that go too. Just because there is no collusion.Or do say, hey buddy why don't you pickup Colt McCoy and cut Danny Amendola. Then if it does not work out you will still have Tom Brady on your roster. You can always go back and get a Danny Amendola type receiver. Over time, your buddy will become more competetive and the league will be more fun.Guess I am in the minority, but I can totally see why the commish did this.
The commissioner should let everything go unless he thinks someone is cheating, which is almost exclusively done by collusion. I can see ASKING the owner why he makes a move that you think is crazy. MAYBE you ask him to justify something ridiculous. But as long as an owner is making a decision on his own and not cheating you let him make any crazy decisions he wants. It's supposed to be his team, he gets to make whatever calls he wants. And no matter how smart the commish thinks he is, no one can really predict the future.
 
Unless there's suspicion of collusion/cheating (which should never happen in a friend league), you don't restrict what a GM wants to do with his team or mess with how he perceives certain players are going to perform or not perform.

After all, the NFL commish didn't veto the Herschel Walker Vikings-Cowboys trade - sometimes GMs need to learn the hard way, or sometimes they need to do something that everyone else thinks is stupid or crazy that actually pans out (like the year we all razzed the new guy in our friends league who is a Pats fan for drafting Tom Brady over LDT 1st overall - and then Brady blew up for 49 TDs and he finished top 3).

You know someone will bump this thread if Winslow outproduces Finley.

 
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So if the same guy cuts Tom Brady and picks up Colt McCoy because he reads that Colt McCoy is going to have a breakout week, do you let that go too. Just because there is no collusion.Or do say, hey buddy why don't you pickup Colt McCoy and cut Danny Amendola. Then if it does not work out you will still have Tom Brady on your roster. You can always go back and get a Danny Amendola type receiver. Over time, your buddy will become more competetive and the league will be more fun.Guess I am in the minority, but I can totally see why the commish did this.
Let him run his own team. It's a TE, for God's sake. Is it really going to decide an eight man league????If the commish starts running my team, I quit on the spot!
 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible.

This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness"

Is the commish right to try and reverse it?

Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.
I'm not going to say you're wrong because this is subjective, but you are severely in the minority here. You realize that, right? Why do you think that is?
:shrug: Maybe because this a FBG message board and tends to be populated by hard core football fans. And maybe a lot of you have never been commish and had to deal with friends who wanted to play fantasy football in the league with all their buddies but weren't the biggest football fans themselves. Thats a possibility.

Or maybe you all are right and me this unnamed commish are wrong.
I'm not saying you're wrong for saying it's ok for the commish to do it. I'm just saying that I think most would like the owner who made the mistake to learn by "doing" - not by the commish stepping in and telling him it's wrong and making a correction for him.I'm not a "hardcore" checkers player - but if I was playing someone and the guy I'm playing against made a bad move I wouldn't want someone to tell him it was wrong and then ask to let him take the move back. Heck no! It's not life and death - it's a game. Keep playing, learn your lesson and come back better next time.

All that being said: The move that was made and deemed as "bad" by the Commish is not really that bad. Maybe the guy is playing a hunch. Maybe he's heard something he wants to act upon. Maybe he just likes one TE over the other for some unknown reason. There's a decent chance he ends up being right.

It sounds to me like the Commish doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.

 
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Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible.

This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness"

Is the commish right to try and reverse it?

Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.
I'm not going to say you're wrong because this is subjective, but you are severely in the minority here. You realize that, right? Why do you think that is?
:shrug: Maybe because this a FBG message board and tends to be populated by hard core football fans. And maybe a lot of you have never been commish and had to deal with friends who wanted to play fantasy football in the league with all their buddies but weren't the biggest football fans themselves. Thats a possibility.

Or maybe you all are right and me this unnamed commish are wrong.
you seem to be contradicting your previous statement saying if its a league among friends who do not follow football so closely the commish should not interfere, and in the if its a competitive league the commish should interfere.
 
So if the same guy cuts Tom Brady and picks up Colt McCoy because he reads that Colt McCoy is going to have a breakout week, do you let that go too. Just because there is no collusion.Or do say, hey buddy why don't you pickup Colt McCoy and cut Danny Amendola. Then if it does not work out you will still have Tom Brady on your roster. You can always go back and get a Danny Amendola type receiver. Over time, your buddy will become more competetive and the league will be more fun.Guess I am in the minority, but I can totally see why the commish did this.
Isn't that what the "Can't cut list" is for?
 
Unless there's suspicion of collusion/cheating you don't restrict what a GM wants to do with his team or mess with how he perceives certain players are going to perform or not perform.
 
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Gotta figure Winslow has a good shot to get more than 5 pts right? That's why you don't interfere.

 
Guys I need a fantasy Court ruling from one of the staff guys, if possible.

This issue is that an owner dropped Finley willingly to pick up Winslow. No one talked him into it or colluded. A bad move but not illegal. The commish wants to step in and reverse it in interest of "parity" or "fairness"

Is the commish right to try and reverse it?

Its an 8 team league among friends.
8 Team league among friends and the guy drops Finley for Winslow. Clearly the guy is more of a "friend" and less of a "football fan". Commish is right. Use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.
So if Winslow outproduces Finley, which Nostradamus pays this guy's league fees? After all, they're running his team.
You guys really are hard core.
Is he wrong? :confused:
In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.
I'm not going to say you're wrong because this is subjective, but you are severely in the minority here. You realize that, right? Why do you think that is?
:shrug: Maybe because this a FBG message board and tends to be populated by hard core football fans. And maybe a lot of you have never been commish and had to deal with friends who wanted to play fantasy football in the league with all their buddies but weren't the biggest football fans themselves. Thats a possibility.

Or maybe you all are right and me this unnamed commish are wrong.
you seem to be contradicting your previous statement saying if its a league among friends who do not follow football so closely the commish should not interfere, and in the if its a competitive league the commish should interfere.
No contadiction at all my friend. :thumbup:
 
Gotta figure Winslow has a good shot to get more than 5 pts right? That's why you don't interfere.
I think you missed the entire point of the conversation at least from where I am sitting. At the end of the day its all subjective. Some people like to look for every advantage and win at all costs. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. Some people look at the bigger picture. I think the latter make better commish's, but that is purely my opinion. Others will disagree.
 
Gotta figure Winslow has a good shot to get more than 5 pts right? That's why you don't interfere.
I think you missed the entire point of the conversation at least from where I am sitting. At the end of the day its all subjective. Some people like to look for every advantage and win at all costs. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. Some people look at the bigger picture. I think the latter make better commish's, but that is purely my opinion. Others will disagree.
The bigger picture is that commissioners shouldn't be running other owners' teams for them. It shouldn't happen in a competitive money league, for obvious reasons, but especially it shouldn't happen in a fun, friendly league where there's little on the line. If they guy is having fun and wants to drop Finley for Winslow, why on earth would a commissioner feel justified in reversing that transaction? At most, if the guy doesn't know much about football and is trying to learn, you send the guy a note that says, "Hey bud, are you sure you want to make that transaction? Consensus opinion is that Finley's better than Winslow." Maybe point him to Footballguys.com where he can learn a little more about the hobby. If the guy still wants to make the transaction, you leave it at that.
 
Gotta figure Winslow has a good shot to get more than 5 pts right? That's why you don't interfere.
I think you missed the entire point of the conversation at least from where I am sitting. At the end of the day its all subjective. Some people like to look for every advantage and win at all costs. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. Some people look at the bigger picture. I think the latter make better commish's, but that is purely my opinion. Others will disagree.
The bigger picture is that commissioners shouldn't be running other owners' teams for them. It shouldn't happen in a competitive money league, for obvious reasons, but especially it shouldn't happen in a fun, friendly league where there's little on the line. If they guy is having fun and wants to drop Finley for Winslow, why on earth would a commissioner feel justified in reversing that transaction? At most, if the guy doesn't know much about football and is trying to learn, you send the guy a note that says, "Hey bud, are you sure you want to make that transaction? Consensus opinion is that Finley's better than Winslow." Maybe point him to Footballguys.com where he can learn a little more about the hobby. If the guy still wants to make the transaction, you leave it at that.
Here is the bigger picture.Guy drops Tom Brady for Colt McCoy.I pick up Tom Brady to pair him with my stud RB's and WR's who I drafted early. I waited on QB and was stuck with a midlevel QB.This transaction is good for me; but bad for the other 6 teams and in my mind bad for the league. Is this a subjective opinion, yes! Should the commish intervene in a big money competitive league, NO! And in a big money competetive league you would probably ask the owner to leave. Should the oommish intervene in a no money fun league among friends. I say yes and I fully understand that many of you say NO. And I am ok with that.
 
Should the oommish intervene in a no money fun league among friends. I say yes
Why? It's just for fun, among friends. There's even less reason to start interfering in a league like this. If I was in a fun league with friends and the commissioner started reversing my transactions, I'd be furious. It's not even like Finley for Winslow in an 8 team league is crazy. There's nothing wrong with that transaction, and no justifiable reason for a commissioner to step in and reverse it.
 
Should the oommish intervene in a no money fun league among friends. I say yes
Why? It's just for fun, among friends. There's even less reason to start interfering in a league like this. If I was in a fun league with friends and the commissioner started reversing my transactions, I'd be furious. It's not even like Finley for Winslow in an 8 team league is crazy. There's nothing wrong with that transaction, and no justifiable reason for a commissioner to step in and reverse it.
Why? I explained it several times.Fantasy Football is a game. We each obviously have differing opinions on what makes it fun or not fun. Which is fine.

You are ok with another team getting Tom Brady off the waiver wire. I am ok with the commish making sure that does not happen. To each his own. No big deal.

Good luck to you this week!

 
Is this really a debate? 8 team league among friends, you leave it be and make fun of the guy every chance you get. End of story. This ain't Brady for McCoy, or even Witten for Jeff King. Is it a horrid move, yes, but the Commish doesn't get to reverse horrid moves. If I did that, I would be reversing moves every week. And as some posters pointed out, what does the commish do when Winslow blows up, reverse it back? Come on.

 

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