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1) I fail to see how having transactions reversed by the commissioner falls under any reasonable definition of "fun." If I didn't want to drop Finley for Winslow, I wouldn't have done it. It's not like I'd make that transaction, and then when I saw it reversed by the commissioner, say, "Wow, this fantasy football thing is fun!" 2) Your Tom Brady hypothetical is a straw man.
And to me the "bigger picture" here is that the commish isn't as smart as he thinks he is. As it turns out this guy's move on TE's might have been something he calculated. Lord knows - how many of us have seen something the rest of our league-mates didn't and we make a move during the draft and you get a few weird looks knowing that the other owners are laughing at you - and then you turn out to be right.I had a guy the other night draft Eli in the 2nd round when he shouldn't have been anywhere near that. Maybe he wants to play his hunches. Who am I (or the commish) to tell him otherwise?What, really, do we all "know"?
I'm sorry but your opinion is wrong. The commissioner is not an impartial 3rd party. He's another owner in the league. He has no right to dictate what an owner can and can't do with his team. If this commish put Finley back on the owners team and the owner subsequently loses his first game because winslow got more points, what message is that sending?
If its just for fun, then who cares who gets tom brady? You contradict yourself there. Who cares if its a stacked team, its all for fun. It wouldn't matter if its tom brady or tom arnold. If an owner wants a player and is of sound mind, then who are you to say he can't?
+1If there's no money at stake why interfere with anything? Just let the guys run their teams how they want to. What fun is it to have your moves reversed by some know-it-all commish? How is it fun to get into arguments over a a freakin Tight End? Just relax, enjoy it and if you think you can build a super team off of players your buddies drop then my all means go for it so you can rub it in their faces all year. Now THAT is fun!
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I currently commish three leagues:I'm not going to say you're wrong because this is subjective, but you are severely in the minority here. You realize that, right? Why do you think that is?In an 8 team league among friends with no apparant entry fee and one or more owners with limited football knowledge, he is wrong.If this was your FBG money league with owners who at least follow football, he would not be wrong.Is he wrong?
Maybe because this a FBG message board and tends to be populated by hard core football fans. And maybe a lot of you have never been commish and had to deal with friends who wanted to play fantasy football in the league with all their buddies but weren't the biggest football fans themselves. Thats a possibility.
Or maybe you all are right and me this unnamed commish are wrong.
Kellen Winslow: 6/66/0I think we should call this guy The Oracle if Winslow goes for more than 3/50/0
Yeah but his decision wasn't based on "fantasy football knowledge" and never should have gone through.Kellen Winslow: 6/66/0I think we should call this guy The Oracle if Winslow goes for more than 3/50/0
People learn faster when they learn from their mistakes. Reversing it will actually hurt that owner in the long run.
In the case of friends, no money on the line, almost instructional league, I can see using this as a teaching moment. Talk to the owner in question, give some advice ( maybe Finley has value to other owners, trade for a weakness elsewhere, then pick up Winslow? ), and allow an overturn if the owner wants it. However, the commish should never unilaterally decide another teams transactions, with the exception of collusion. If there's money involved, or any level of competitiveness here, you have to allow each owner to run their own team as they see fit ( even if the commish doesn't agree )
The real problem is in believing (and more importantly, imposing the belief) that it was a "mistake." The owner wanted to make the transaction. Just because the commissioner looks at his preseason cheatsheet and believes that Finley is TE3 and Winslow is TE12, that does not give him the right to start reversing transactions. So far, Winslow is having a better fantasy season than Finley. There was some idiot on here at the beginning of last year saying that as commissioner, he would definitely veto a trade of Brandon Marshall for Hakeem Nicks, because the guy getting Marshall was ripping off the guy getting Nicks. I think we all know how that worked out. That's the kind of commissioner jackassery that has no place in any fantasy leagues. It's not the commissioner's place to start regulating transactions based on perceived value. Yes, you keep an eye out for collusion, and you do your best to make sure there's no compromising the "integrity of the league" and all that. Otherwise you stay out of it. Reversing this transaction serves no purpose other than to annoy the affected owner and maybe make him enjoy fantasy football that much less.
Agreed. It seems there are already a lot of people in this thread and others who are advocating commissioners making a lot of changes. I have been a league commish for 14 years and I have never once had to change anything. I have called people out for making stupid trades (as another owner) but never even considered taking any action.
So he gets Cadillac and Jackson or is he dropping someone else? Need to be a little more clear here.
As a former commish, if the owner that dropped Jackson accidentally notified me immediately, I would notify the league of the mistake and reverse the move. Caveats: If the owner had a history of this type of stupidity, I might let him pay for it. 1st offense? no problem. New website? No problem.Long time owner, same hosting site, previous "oops" transactions? I think about it. Mistakes happen, Commissioners should handle the "office" with some level of common sense.
He got Cadillac and dropped Jackson
Commish should not intervene. He may have wanted to drop Jackson. Just make fun of him for the rest of the season if it was mistake. Good times!
Probably. How soon did the owner alert the commissioner of his mistake? Is the guy new to the league/website/fantasy football where he could reasonably have made that mistake? Who would he drop for Williams instead?It's a judgment call. Did the guy decide to drop Jackson because he's injured, and then change his mind after the fact? In that case the transaction might have to stand. Or did the guy just make a mistake keying the transaction into the website and immediately notify the league of his error? Owners shouldn't be punished for honest mistakes like that, and no one (especially not the commissioner) should profit from them. In that case, commissioner should fix the transaction.A good commissioner should usually be able to tell the difference in cases like this, at least if he's been running the league for a while and knows all the owners. If it's a new league or owner it might be harder to tell what really happened. The fact that the commissioner has the #1 waiver pick could be a complicating factor in this case, if he's the kind of guy who would put his own team's interests ahead of the integrity of the league.
If he wanted to drop Jackson then it stays. If he immediately contacted the commish and said he made a mistake and clicked the wrong thing, then its at the commish's discretion. If I was commish, I would overturn it and explain to the league it was a mistake. Most if not all would understand. He would then put in another player to drop for Cadillac.
You realize there are several differences between this and the Finley-for-Winslow transaction, right?
Of course he doesn't. Hence the sarcasm.
I have an honest question for you. I promise I'm not being sarcastic.If you were playing playing chess against someone and they made bad move after bad move would you let them take back every move? Or would you let the move stand and explain what they did wrong after their move was set or maybe after the game?If you were playing a game of basketball and a guy passed the ball to the other team would you expect or ask the guy on the other team who received the bad pass to give the ball back? Or would you continue playing?Again, not being sarcastic. I'm really just curious. I ask because I think it would be a very long and boring game of chess if you allowed every bad move to be undone. Unless of course you both discussed before hand that the following game would be a teaching game and neither was playing to win. If we were on the basketball court and you asked for every bad pass or shot to be a "do over" because the guy didn't know then I think it would be a pretty crappy game to be a part of. I've been in situations like that before but it was when a guy's son stepped in to play and he's 6 years old or something. But again - that's one of those things where everyone has an understanding that we are going to cut the 6 year old some slack. And even then it lasts for 15 minutes or so and then we get back to the real game. If it's an adult of any kind - say 15+, then you learn by your mistakes.By no means is letting someone learn from their mistakes a mean spirited thing as you seem to be implying. Practice makes perfect and part of practice is "doing" - not being coddled like a 6 year old kid. If the guy failed to practice before hand then he'll naturally makes mistakes in the "game" - whatever game that may be. I wouldn't be mad at him for it. It's just the way an adult learns, oftentimes.This is just my opinion and I mean no offense by this. I'm really honestly asking what you would do in the above two scenarios. You seem like a very nice person. I just might disagree with your method of playing games.
Exactly. Only thing I would add is explain situation to league and have a league wide vote unless this situation is in the league constitution.
XThis is rarely a good idea. There's a commissioner for a reason - it's his responsibility to rule fairly and decisively when these kinds of issues arise.
Don't have it enabled.
Thanks. Time to talk to commish.
Commish should refuse to disable the "Can't Cut" list and use this as a teaching point about how to play Fantasy Football. You will enjoy your league more in the long run.'footballnerd said:
haha, ya if he does that I already plan to trade the burden to somebody for their kicker and then drop em.
commish opened it up, Finley cut.
This is a dumb move. At WORST you sell finley to the highest bidder. There are at least 5 guys in your league who would have handsomely paid to get finley.Who did you pick up? Scott chandler?
Week Finley Winslow1 8.3 12.62 11.8 8.43 33.5 4.04 5.8 8.35 10.7 10.46 3.0 9.0
Right now, in my ppr league, Finley is TE11.
