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Im curious to hear from some of you seasoned veterans... I just grabbed a notebook to write down some mistakes I've made and lessons I need to learn about playing FF. It's only my second season so I figured Id ask the Shark Pool of your biggest FF lessons you've learned over the years, mistakes you've made that you don't want to repeat., or overall advice you have for us young sharks...anything on drafting strategy, roster management, etc

 
Work the waiver wire every week. Some otherwise good owners fail to do this. I have found that it amounts to at least one win a season, which may not seem much - but it can make the difference between making the playoffs or not.

 
Search bar is your friend. You're not gonna find too much draft strategy this time of year but off season through preseason it's full of good stuff here.

 
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Don't give up on guys almost immediately. I have been burned a few times where I felt the need to pick somebody up only to see my dropped player go nuts the following week.

 
Just remember it is a game and all luck.
Not true. If you look at a continuing league over the course of a decade, the good teams consistently make the playoffs, while the bad owners only do occasionally - if it was all luck one would see all the teams making the playoffs about half the time.
 
You will not win your league in the first 3 rounds of your draft, but you can sure lose it.

Take the safest picks in the first 3 rounds and go for the gusto in the later rounds.

 
Work the waiver wire every week. Some otherwise good owners fail to do this. I have found that it amounts to at least one win a season, which may not seem much - but it can make the difference between making the playoffs or not.
This IMO is the difference between winning and losing teams. You're probably going to start the wrong guy from time to time - it happens. But there's no excuse to let WW gems go to some other team because you're not paying attention.Hell, the only reason I won my league last year is because I liked what I saw out of Hillis. He turned out to be a stud and carried me for the rest of the year.
 
Just remember it is a game and all luck.
Not true. If you look at a continuing league over the course of a decade, the good teams consistently make the playoffs, while the bad owners only do occasionally - if it was all luck one would see all the teams making the playoffs about half the time.
Ok.
It's true. I've been in the same league for 8 years and we see the same thing. Out of 12 teams, the same five have made the playoff at least 6 of the 8 years.
 
Cool story bro.

Work the waiver wire every week. Some otherwise good owners fail to do this. I have found that it amounts to at least one win a season, which may not seem much - but it can make the difference between making the playoffs or not.
This IMO is the difference between winning and losing teams. You're probably going to start the wrong guy from time to time - it happens. But there's no excuse to let WW gems go to some other team because you're not paying attention.Hell, the only reason I won my league last year is because I liked what I saw out of Hillis. He turned out to be a stud and carried me for the rest of the year.
 
Cool story bro.

Work the waiver wire every week. Some otherwise good owners fail to do this. I have found that it amounts to at least one win a season, which may not seem much - but it can make the difference between making the playoffs or not.
This IMO is the difference between winning and losing teams. You're probably going to start the wrong guy from time to time - it happens. But there's no excuse to let WW gems go to some other team because you're not paying attention.Hell, the only reason I won my league last year is because I liked what I saw out of Hillis. He turned out to be a stud and carried me for the rest of the year.
If you insist on being an ###, you could at least reply below the quotations just like everybody else.Thanks in advance
 
How about no. Thanks in advance Chief.

Cool story bro.

Work the waiver wire every week. Some otherwise good owners fail to do this. I have found that it amounts to at least one win a season, which may not seem much - but it can make the difference between making the playoffs or not.
This IMO is the difference between winning and losing teams. You're probably going to start the wrong guy from time to time - it happens. But there's no excuse to let WW gems go to some other team because you're not paying attention.Hell, the only reason I won my league last year is because I liked what I saw out of Hillis. He turned out to be a stud and carried me for the rest of the year.
If you insist on being an ###, you could at least reply below the quotations just like everybody else.Thanks in advance
 
All of the advice is pretty solid, but I'd say the hardest part is knowing the difference between the "don't give up on a guy too soon" and "don't leave gems on the waiver wire" since these often can be difficult to distinguish between. You need to trust your (and others) ability to assess talent. If you don't trust yourself then find people you do trust and read them. I've been burned by both dropping guys too quickly and from not jumping on guys soon enough. Even experienced players make this mistake.

Biggest piece of advice I can give is simply to put aside all personal prejudices. If you don't like someone for legitimate reasons (you don't think his skills fit a system, you think he doesn't read the field well, etc) it's okay to not jump on someone, but lots of people, myself included (and plenty of friends experienced in FF), simply don't take people because he burned them the year before, or because they don't like the guy personally (Tebow, Newton come to mind as being very devisive). You don't need to be friends with these guys, you need them to score you points. So who cares what they did in the past, or if they people dislike them, or think they are sleazy, ALL THAT MATTERS is what little (or big!) number is next to that guys name at the end of the week.

*Obviously the chances of a suspension are something to account for.

 
Don't start Denarius Moore on a weekly basis.
Or, to put this more broadly: Beware rookies. Rookies get a lot of attention in preseason because there is nothing else to talk about and they are unknowns. Every year one or two rookies will strike it big and everyone wants to be the guy who gets that rookie. Ok, don't ignore rookies. But really, I would not want to count on a rookie as one of my starting core players. Too much risk to waste a high or even medium pick on in my opinion.If you do pick up a rookie, go after one that you can get later. Or, go after a guy like Moore on FA as soon as you see him producing in a real game and showing the "it" factor.Another point: don't over analyze the preaseason but use it to identify possible upside talent (for the FA wire later in year) and to decide if a player who is coming off injury or switching teams is going to be as effective. But beyond that, the value of the preseason is pretty limited and you have to always take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Never bench your studs;

Always be looking for ways to improve your team. Get rid of dead weight for a lottery ticket or tow - players who need an opportunity to shine and you think could be special if they get that chance.

 
Just remember it is a game and all luck.
Not true. If you look at a continuing league over the course of a decade, the good teams consistently make the playoffs, while the bad owners only do occasionally - if it was all luck one would see all the teams making the playoffs about half the time.
Not a fair comparison... you're pitting "guppies" against "sharks." To compete in that scenario, the guppy needs a great deal more luck than the shark. All things being equal - 100% luck (IMO).Back to the original idea, "Ignore the match-ups for top-tier players... NEVER BENCH YOUR STUDS!"

 
Just remember it is a game and all luck.
Not true. If you look at a continuing league over the course of a decade, the good teams consistently make the playoffs, while the bad owners only do occasionally - if it was all luck one would see all the teams making the playoffs about half the time.
Not a fair comparison... you're pitting "guppies" against "sharks." To compete in that scenario, the guppy needs a great deal more luck than the shark. All things being equal - 100% luck (IMO).
:no: I have known several guys who put a lot of effort into FF, but never seem to do well.

What squistion said is spot-on.

 
All of the advice is pretty solid, but I'd say the hardest part is knowing the difference between the "don't give up on a guy too soon" and "don't leave gems on the waiver wire" since these often can be difficult to distinguish between. You need to trust your (and others) ability to assess talent. If you don't trust yourself then find people you do trust and read them. I've been burned by both dropping guys too quickly and from not jumping on guys soon enough. Even experienced players make this mistake.Biggest piece of advice I can give is simply to put aside all personal prejudices. If you don't like someone for legitimate reasons (you don't think his skills fit a system, you think he doesn't read the field well, etc) it's okay to not jump on someone, but lots of people, myself included (and plenty of friends experienced in FF), simply don't take people because he burned them the year before, or because they don't like the guy personally (Tebow, Newton come to mind as being very devisive). You don't need to be friends with these guys, you need them to score you points. So who cares what they did in the past, or if they people dislike them, or think they are sleazy, ALL THAT MATTERS is what little (or big!) number is next to that guys name at the end of the week.*Obviously the chances of a suspension are something to account for.
Exactly. Don't let the fear of regret drive your waiver wire decisions. If you don't at least SOMETIMES regret dropping a guy for someone else, I don't think you're taking enough chances on the waiver wire.
 
look at opportunity first. shonn greene isn't very good, but he's still getting carries and will continue to. moore is the shark pool darling, but dhb is the starter. the first rule of the shark pool is to not mention mark ingram unless you think he's a bust or hall of famer with no rational thoughts in between. anyway, sometimes you need production to hold your season together so you've got to stop looking at pedigree and talent and look at opportunity and production.

avoid rookies in the 1st 4-5 rounds. you'll miss too often and as others mentioned you can't win your league in the first few rounds, but you can lose your league.

don't worry a ton about bye week depth during your draft. just get the best players. this is more important if you play in contests, shark leagues, etc. you have to assume there will be busts and injuries. it'll make your season easier to draft great players and to work the waiver wires for bye week depth than to draft bye week depth and work the waiver wire for great players.

pay attention to coaching philosophies. carolina's coaches worked with gates and now olsen is producing.

and above all, don't be a follower. bloom's rankings are pretty good. and the audible gives a great weekly overview of the league. but the specific player advice can sometimes do more harm than good. being successful on 60% of those calls is all you can ask for so don't stake your season on mark ingram.

 
playing "keep away" with the waiver wire is almost as important as using the waiver wire to improve your team....meaning, even if you don't think you need a player because you may have depth at that position, you should still try to add him to your team if you have room and it doesn't hurt your team.....you would rather have him on your bench than in somebody elses lineup.....pay attention to other owners rosters and anticipate their moves, maybe beat them to the guy you know they may covet....even if it doesn't result in a trade, you will still help your team by hurting theirs.....

 
Just remember it is a game and all luck.
Not true. If you look at a continuing league over the course of a decade, the good teams consistently make the playoffs, while the bad owners only do occasionally - if it was all luck one would see all the teams making the playoffs about half the time.
Not a fair comparison... you're pitting "guppies" against "sharks." To compete in that scenario, the guppy needs a great deal more luck than the shark. All things being equal - 100% luck (IMO).
If it were 100% luck, there would be no such thing as "guppies" or "sharks".Or "hawks".

 
Listen to that little voice in your head when it tells you to play a certain player, chances are there is a reason for the hunch.

Don't ever make roster decisions based upon projected weekly totals from your league hosting service....funny to see people get so mad at these sites, but the sites didn't hold a gun to their head and make them change their lineups.

Don't lowball ridiculous offers to your league matesuntil you have more than proven you are a reliable and fair trading partner. Then, when you do decide to rip someone off, make it a absolute killing because you'll never be able to trade in the league again.

Don't let fantasy football consume you - it is a hobby, not an avocation. Don't miss kid's games, family outings, etc. for a freakin hobby. You laugh? I've seen it...a lot. Pathetic really. Is your watching the website going to make the scores or stats change? Submit it and forget...check back on Tuesday to see how you did.

 
1) Don't ever think that your team has enough talent. Example - you think you are stacked at WR. So what, bid on the next WR who looks legit. You can never have enough talent to cover bye weeks and injuries. Never be content with your team.

2) Gather as much factual information as possible to make lineup and waiver choices. Don't rely on other opinions on players. Even the best "experts" are often wrong in their opinions. I just put my 5-0 team, the team which is 120 points ahead of the next closest team and is probably the best high stakes league team I've drafted in 10 years, into the FBG's "Rate My Team" application. It said my team was not very good - lol.

3) Learn the teams' offensive systems. Yes, that is alot of work. It also is the key for knowing that when the X spot in the offense is the key position, and that player gets hurt, then the replacement player often has the key opportunity to produce.

4) Work a week ahead on the waiver wire. This is a #####. Don't wait until that player produces and IS the hot waiver wire pickup. EX. - I picked up Tebow in 75% of my leagues last weekend because of the rumor that he would start after Denver's bye. That made sense to me because Denver is atrocious. It also made sense to pick him up cheaply last week. If I'm right = cheap gold. If I'm wrong, cut him and try again with the next guy.

5) Don't ever believe those who say fantasy football is all luck. Those people are ignorant and lose, and use that as their excuse.

 
Don't drive yourself crazy and play matchups every week. Most times it comes back to bite you. Start your best players every week. If you see a trend emerging and someone produces more points, don't be afraid to make the switch but stick with them.

 
Make sure you get the guys you really want, even if you have to reach for them during the draft. Last year I missed out on Foster because I wanted to get "maximum value". This year I wanted Stafford and Graham on my team and I made sure I got them even though it was early in the draft for those picks.

Personal opinion, but late in drafts I try to pick players based on talent rather than opportunity. The guy who you know is going to get about 50/700/4 is less valuable to me than someone who might go for 20/300/1 but if given the opportunity may hit 75/1,000/6. The latter guys you can drop easily if they don't pan out but if they do end up getting the opportunity they're gold.

 
Luck is a significant part of fantasy football.

However, the longer the time period, the smaller the impact of luck.

But I don't believe the OP wanted a debate about luck and FF for the 1000th time.

One topic I haven't seen mentioned is to know your league(s). This matters in several ways:

1. Scoring system -- know every aspect of your league scoring system

2. Roster size/lineup configuration -- the size of your bench and lineup options (if any) can and should cause you to alter your draft and waiver strategy

3. Learn each league's tendencies, both individually and collectively. If you compete in the same league for several seasons, tracking other owners typical draft preferences can help you attain more value in your picks. In addition, knowing the collective personality of a league enables you to know when to be aggressive vs. patient in drafting specific positions, sleepers, etc.

4. In-season player movement also can vary highly league to league. Some leagues have near-constant trading, others average one trade per year or outright outlaw it. Many leagues have that one owner who grabs every waiver wire wonder, so you must outbid (if a waiver bid league) or take a chance on an emerging player a week or two early if you strongly believe in a given player.

It's important to enjoy the process, win or lose, to the extent you can. If you aren't enjoying FF, it's not worth your time, but it also becomes difficult to do the little things mentioned throughout this thread that often prove to be the difference between a mediocre, good, or even great season.

 
Just remember it is a game and all luck.
Not true. If you look at a continuing league over the course of a decade, the good teams consistently make the playoffs, while the bad owners only do occasionally - if it was all luck one would see all the teams making the playoffs about half the time.
Not a fair comparison... you're pitting "guppies" against "sharks." To compete in that scenario, the guppy needs a great deal more luck than the shark. All things being equal - 100% luck (IMO).
I think what you just said is assuming skill is equal, it's all luck?? Doesn't that mean skill plays a factor?
 
Don't ever believe those who say fantasy football is all luck. Those people are ignorant and lose, and use that as their excuse.
Not true.
We already got your opinion in this thread. Thank you. You are still wrong and I could cite a multitude of examples from personally observing the best high stakes players in the industry. But that won't change your mind either, regardless of how many times you want to state your opinion.
 
Make sure you get the guys you really want, even if you have to reach for them during the draft. Last year I missed out on Foster because I wanted to get "maximum value". This year I wanted Stafford and Graham on my team and I made sure I got them even though it was early in the draft for those picks.Personal opinion, but late in drafts I try to pick players based on talent rather than opportunity. The guy who you know is going to get about 50/700/4 is less valuable to me than someone who might go for 20/300/1 but if given the opportunity may hit 75/1,000/6. The latter guys you can drop easily if they don't pan out but if they do end up getting the opportunity they're gold.
This is a good one. Never draft the "Donald Driver" type player of this year. Always draft high upside guys in the second half of your draft.
 
Don't ever believe those who say fantasy football is all luck. Those people are ignorant and lose, and use that as their excuse.
Not true.
We already got your opinion in this thread. Thank you. You are still wrong and I could cite a multitude of examples from personally observing the best high stakes players in the industry. But that won't change your mind either, regardless of how many times you want to state your opinion.
:goodposting: When certain owners consistently do well (meaning, they are almost always in contention to win it), while certain owners do not (meaning, they are almost never in contention), year in and year out, that is not luck or a coincidence.
 
2) Even the best "experts" are often wrong in their opinions. I just put my 5-0 team, the team which is 120 points ahead of the next closest team and is probably the best high stakes league team I've drafted in 10 years, into the FBG's "Rate My Team" application. It said my team was not very good - lol.
LOL......It said my team was "brutal". 5-0, 159 points ahead in total points over #2.
 
Okay you guys are right.

I traded up in the first round in my keeper league to the 5th overall pick to make sure I could draft Andre Johnson. He was drafted at 1.02 and I had to settle for Calvin Johnson.

Definitely can see where I out "skilled" the competition.

 
Work the waiver wire every week. Some otherwise good owners fail to do this. I have found that it amounts to at least one win a season, which may not seem much - but it can make the difference between making the playoffs or not.
+1I'll add that when scouting the waiver wire the best way to avoid fools gold is to somewhat ignore total points. Not that points aren't important, but the #1 thing I look at when scouring the FA market is targets. Targets mean opportunities, and that they have the trust of the QB/get their number called enough to justify playing them.
 
Okay you guys are right.I traded up in the first round in my keeper league to the 5th overall pick to make sure I could draft Andre Johnson. He was drafted at 1.02 and I had to settle for Calvin Johnson.Definitely can see where I out "skilled" the competition.
I took Calvin Johnson over andre in 2 leagues. Not our fault you can't rank em right.
 
Okay you guys are right.I traded up in the first round in my keeper league to the 5th overall pick to make sure I could draft Andre Johnson. He was drafted at 1.02 and I had to settle for Calvin Johnson.Definitely can see where I out "skilled" the competition.
You are completely missing the point. Yes, sometimes people luck into players, but they can still botch it. The guy who drafted AP first last year in the main league I was in also got Michael Vick on the WW after Week 1...and still finished dead last in points scored for the season. And that had nothing to do with luck. It had everything to do with him being an owner who simply isn't good at FF. He botched most of the rest of his draft.
 
Okay you guys are right.I traded up in the first round in my keeper league to the 5th overall pick to make sure I could draft Andre Johnson. He was drafted at 1.02 and I had to settle for Calvin Johnson.Definitely can see where I out "skilled" the competition.
:lmao: So your reasoning that FF is all luck is that had you had a choice between AJ and Calvin, you would have chosen incorrectly?
 
2) Even the best "experts" are often wrong in their opinions. I just put my 5-0 team, the team which is 120 points ahead of the next closest team and is probably the best high stakes league team I've drafted in 10 years, into the FBG's "Rate My Team" application. It said my team was not very good - lol.
LOL......It said my team was "brutal". 5-0, 159 points ahead in total points over #2.
I think the Rate My Team app is based on preseason rankings that aren't updated over the course of the year. So if you have Cam Newton and Steve Smith on your team as your QB1 and WR1, for example, it's going to say your team is a lot worse than it actually has performed.
 

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