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Fantasy Home Field Advantage (1 Viewer)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
1/2 point just to avoid ties.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Will never understand why people do things to increase the role of luck. At least in money leagues.
TheCommish
Footballguy
I'd be pissed if I lost a game because of a fantasy home field advantage.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
in 1 long standing league I'm in we give 3 points to the better regular season record in the playoffs to reward for strong performance throughout the season.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Like Playoffs
there have been some other threads on this topic in the past.....
home field advantage in fantasy is one of the worst ideas ever....
you don't get points for being the home team in anthing.....
vegas is the only place that gives it any type of point equivalent....
no team is ever losing a game 3-0 before it even gets teed up.....
I realize fantasy is not reality and you can do whatever you want, but simply GIVING a team points becuase they are the fake home team in a fake game is crazy.....it's reaching for something that is not even there....
there is a difference between a real team having an advantage at home in the NFL and actually giving a fake team points for it in a fake game....
home field advantage in fantasy is one of the worst ideas ever....
you don't get points for being the home team in anthing.....
vegas is the only place that gives it any type of point equivalent....
no team is ever losing a game 3-0 before it even gets teed up.....
I realize fantasy is not reality and you can do whatever you want, but simply GIVING a team points becuase they are the fake home team in a fake game is crazy.....it's reaching for something that is not even there....
there is a difference between a real team having an advantage at home in the NFL and actually giving a fake team points for it in a fake game....
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JHuber77
Footballguy
just change your scoring to decimal scoring. Problem solved!
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I'd be pissed if that's why I won too....
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Insoxicated
Warrior
Footballguy
Maybe the dumbest idea I've ever heard. I'm sorry, but I had to say it.
You're giving "home field advantage" points to one set of statistics ("team") but not to the other set of statistics? What possible reason would you have to do this? Are you flipping a coin and assinging other random variables to each matchup such as 'inclement weather conditions' of your fantasy stadium? How about assigning 2 points to the defense of one team to represent fantasy bounties being places on their opponents. Maybe give one random QB each week -2 points to represent a lude texting scandal.
I'm having trouble figuring out why you're not just playing dungeons and dragons instead. Or you can roll dice and flip coins and determine every winner that way instead.
Pathetic.
You're giving "home field advantage" points to one set of statistics ("team") but not to the other set of statistics? What possible reason would you have to do this? Are you flipping a coin and assinging other random variables to each matchup such as 'inclement weather conditions' of your fantasy stadium? How about assigning 2 points to the defense of one team to represent fantasy bounties being places on their opponents. Maybe give one random QB each week -2 points to represent a lude texting scandal.
I'm having trouble figuring out why you're not just playing dungeons and dragons instead. Or you can roll dice and flip coins and determine every winner that way instead.
Pathetic.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I play 4 or 5 serious leagues. No one has ever brought it up, and I doubt anyone would go for it.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
We did it one season like 12 years ago. That was dumb.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
In one of my leagues, the higher scoring regular season team gets an advantage in the playoffs equal to their PPG advantage in the regular season.So for example, if I averaged 145 points during the regular season and my opponent averaged 139, I would start our playoff matchup with a 6 point advantage. It's not a bad rule in my opinion if you want to give the better regular season teams a bit of an advantage in the playoffs.'49er fan said:
We do a "home field advantage" in the playoffs. We go off regular season record and award 2 points for each win that one team has more than the other. So a 10-3 team would get a 4 pt home field advantage over an 8-5 team. Usually doesnt come into play deciding the outcome, but I like the system.
SWC
Bromigo
i do not even get it how would that be possible like the other dude has to come over and set up his line up on your computer and because it is your house you get to sit in a big recliner with a beer and the heat set just how you like it and with some spicy food that you can eat but that you know he takes pryloseck for and then he has to sit on a crappy folding chair with a busted up leg and you know he has a siatica thing going on so it bugs his hip and his medications make him sweat so your cranked up heat makes him look like hes in a swimming pool and then you invite over some hot chicks so he is all sweaty and uncomfortable in front of them and then as a result he sets a stupid lineup and you win by 100 points yeah big fat chance of that happening to i vote against this idea brohan
Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
Things that increase the role of luck?You mean, like:Head to head formats?Exclusive rosters where only one team can own a player?Or draft order for that matter?Picking particular starters rather than best ball?People are crazy. Gambling isn't fun, it's just dumb.My main league lets the home team add an extra kicker. Kickers average between 5 to 10 points per game and our teams routinely score about 220 per game sans the extra kicker. So the bonus fluctuates from game to game. It's never a huge bonus even if the kicker has a big day. But at the same time it's there and sometimes does swing a game result.Does it feel unfair when you lose by that extra kicker's margin? Doesn't bother me. Vegas recognizes that home field makes a difference and NFL teams play half of their games on the road. They determine who get's first possession by a coin toss, which means a team on the season could end with 16 fewer possessions based on nothing more than luck.Why should I #####? It's a way to mimic a very real NFL phenomenon into the fantasy game. If you want to eliminate luck from your money heavy hobbies, you've already failed by venturing into fantasy football. It's kinda like loving to swim but hating to get wet.'wdcrob said:
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giving free points does not mimic anything having to do with the NFL.....
Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
Love this thinking. Fake home teams? Is that anything like fake WR2's on your team who are actually WR1's on their NFL team while at the same time you can only start 1 QB because NFL teams only start 1 QB? I guess there's fake that you like and then there's fake that you dislike. I guess we know where you stand, now. You don't like fake stuff unless you do. Or is it more that you like fake stuff unless you don't. I can't tell from your post.'Stinkin Ref said:
And then there's the contradiction in the red parts. No team is ever losing 3-0, yet Vegas sets up lines like that every week recognizing that teams do have some built-in advantage each week that they play at home. Amazing how that fakeness pushes millions of dollars around in the "real" world. Maybe you should open a sports booking operation that doesn't take into account any home field advantage. Good luck finding real venture capitalists to back your real odds making endeavor.Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
Vegas disagrees with you. Me? I follow the money. If Vegas couldn't quantify it you might have a point. But since they do...And why didn't you respond to my comment about head to head match-ups? Do you or don't you use them? If so, why doesn't that luck offend you?
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packseasontix
Footballguy
In my 2QB league last year
1st Round of Playoffs
Seed 1 - 187.8
Seed 4 - 189.2
and
Seed 2 - 173.5
Seed 3 - 171.0
Both of these games would have swung with a 3 point home field advantage
1st Round of Playoffs
Seed 1 - 187.8
Seed 4 - 189.2
and
Seed 2 - 173.5
Seed 3 - 171.0
Both of these games would have swung with a 3 point home field advantage
butcher boy
Footballguy
Ideally, you want to balance fun with reducing luck. Playoffs (at least to me) are a lot of fun, while arbitrarily giving a home team some points really increases the luck factor but doesn't really add to the fun factor. Apples and Oranges.'Bigboy10182000 said:
netnalp
Footballguy
Seems like the homefield points rule is something that guys who are in leagues where they regularly dominate try to sell their league mates so they'll get an added advantage in the playoffs.
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Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
There's a tremendous amount of hypocrisy in these posts.
Imagine a draft where once you draft a player, only you get to use that player. We all have done these and it's the most popular format.
Now, imagine you have the 1.02 pick. On your draft board, you have A.Foster ranked #1 and R.Rice ranked #2. The owner with the 1.01 drafts Foster, so you take Rice.
Now, fast forward 13 weeks and imagine that Rice has outscored Foster even though both suffered no major injury. Did you benefit from skill or from luck?
The answer is luck. You were WRONG in who would score more points, Foster or Rice. You were just as wrong as the owner with the 1.01 pick. The only difference is that, by luck (assuming you determine picks by random selection), you couldn't make your wrong choice.
So how do we eliminate this luck? By not having exclusive rosters. Pick your starting RB from the pool of all available RB's. If you go with that format, everyone who thinks Foster will outscore Rice any given week can do so. And unlike in an exclusive roster format, you can't get lucky and be insulated from your own bad calls.
So then why isn't this format more popular than it is? It decreases the impact of luck.
The answer is a bit complicated, but it has something to do with exclusive rosters "looking" more like real world NFL rosters. So in essence we choose to entertain a significant amount of luck so that we can mimic something in the NFL.
Yet, that's exactly what goes on in home field advantage formats. We entertain more luck in order to make our fantasy league look a little more like the NFL.
Imagine a draft where once you draft a player, only you get to use that player. We all have done these and it's the most popular format.
Now, imagine you have the 1.02 pick. On your draft board, you have A.Foster ranked #1 and R.Rice ranked #2. The owner with the 1.01 drafts Foster, so you take Rice.
Now, fast forward 13 weeks and imagine that Rice has outscored Foster even though both suffered no major injury. Did you benefit from skill or from luck?
The answer is luck. You were WRONG in who would score more points, Foster or Rice. You were just as wrong as the owner with the 1.01 pick. The only difference is that, by luck (assuming you determine picks by random selection), you couldn't make your wrong choice.
So how do we eliminate this luck? By not having exclusive rosters. Pick your starting RB from the pool of all available RB's. If you go with that format, everyone who thinks Foster will outscore Rice any given week can do so. And unlike in an exclusive roster format, you can't get lucky and be insulated from your own bad calls.
So then why isn't this format more popular than it is? It decreases the impact of luck.
The answer is a bit complicated, but it has something to do with exclusive rosters "looking" more like real world NFL rosters. So in essence we choose to entertain a significant amount of luck so that we can mimic something in the NFL.
Yet, that's exactly what goes on in home field advantage formats. We entertain more luck in order to make our fantasy league look a little more like the NFL.
Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
Why does the NFL allow higher seeded teams to play at home in the playoffs? They could just flip a coin for game location as soon as the brackets are set. Or, better yet, choose an equidistant neutral site to eliminate home field advantage. It would take 5 minutes to determine where each round of games would be played. Hmm. You'd think that being the better team (at least by seeding criteria standards are concerned) would be advantage enough.So, just out of curiosity, what criteria do you use when deciding whether to mirror or deviate from what the NFL does?
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Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
Actually, it's not apples and oranges. It's apples and apples. How so? Because it's a matter of taste. The very nature of fantasy football is riddled with luck, fakery and seemingly arbitrary mimicry.The differences in league formats is a matter of taste. Some people like a crisp, tart Granny Smith. Others like a mushy, sweet Red Delicious.Self-righteous indignation over home field advantage from someone who plays in a head-to-head format or uses exclusive rosters is the height of hypocrisy. And if you use playoffs, you're just doubling down on your hypocrisy.
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Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
2QB league?Well, we wouldn't want to do anything that real football teams don't do, do we?
netnalp
Footballguy
I think it has less to do with the higher seed getting an advantage than rewarding the higher seed with the revenue generated by having the game where the fans of the higher seed are.I don't designate home teams in my league. I worry more about creating a good fantasy football league than accurately reflecting what happens in the NFL. Awarding points for homefield seems as nonsensical as giving points for a coin toss. It seems like over-thinking things. I also don't feel homefield advantage is as big of a factor that people make it. I'd like to see some peer reviewed studies on it.Why does the NFL allow higher seeded teams to play at home in the playoffs? They could just flip a coin for game location as soon as the brackets are set. Or, better yet, choose an equidistant neutral site to eliminate home field advantage. It would take 5 minutes to determine where each round of games would be played. Hmm. You'd think that being the better team (at least by seeding criteria standards are concerned) would be advantage enough.So, just out of curiosity, what criteria do you use when deciding whether to mirror or deviate from what the NFL does?
butcher boy
Footballguy
Chillax bro.How does an arbitrary decision to award free points to the "home team" in a fantasy football matchup create any sort of fun factor? H2H, playoff systems, etc. create the fun factor by creating rivalries, increasing week to week trash talk, etc. which make it worth the added luck factor involved with those formats. My leagues dont make decisions to mirror NFL format. They make decisions to a) increase the fun factor while b) minimizing the luck factor as much as possible.
AMEN.
Soaring Eagle
Footballguy
Highest remaining seed picks opponent of 3 remaining teams from that week
Zat you, Molly?
netnalp
Footballguy
packseasontix
Footballguy
Just showing in this case the higher seeds would have won both. Personally if we do home field advantage it has to be ramped from previous years records as well. A team winning 40 straight games should get a bigger bonus than someone 0-40 over the last 3 seasons.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
3.1 in the playoffs, non-championship games only.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
FFPC and fpc both, give the playoff teams their regular season average going into the playoff total points chase, so in essence it rewards you for scoring well in the regular season and teams that did not, will need to play catch up in the post season. Those of you arguing against this, do you have a problem rewarding teams for their regular season performance or should all teams start on equal ground regardless of how you got in?
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butcher boy
Footballguy
We do LARP fantasy football complete with homemade uniforms and cardboard footballs.Do do you "hometeam advantage" nerds have fantasy "home" playing surfaces that give bonuses to deep threat WRs, or ground and pound running games, too? I'm beginning to think Dungeons and Dragons might be a better game for some of you.
jasvic
Footballguy
Funny where people draw the line on what's ridiculous or not. Just because this isn't standard, people scoff at it. If the first people who played fantasy instituted home field advantage from day one, no one here would give it a second look or question it. Peoples are funny. If you don't like a rule, don't use it. If other leagues use it and like it, why do you care?PS. Anyone who pretend drafts people for their make believe team should be careful throwing nerd stones in their geeky glass house.Do do you "hometeam advantage" nerds have fantasy "home" playing surfaces that give bonuses to deep threat WRs, or ground and pound running games, too? I'm beginning to think Dungeons and Dragons might be a better game for some of you.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Should add .001 of a point because that .5 could result in a tie.In a TD only league, the home team gets 11 points. Almost a 2 TD advantage. Works out great. ($1,000 entry)
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Says the guy criticizing on a board devoted to a make-believe game that grown men play.Do do you "hometeam advantage" nerds have fantasy "home" playing surfaces that give bonuses to deep threat WRs, or ground and pound running games, too? I'm beginning to think Dungeons and Dragons might be a better game for some of you.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
didn't mean to touch a nerve....you can add whatever stupid rules you want...even some of the leagues I play in have rules that I don't necessarily like....but I can tell you this, I wouldn't play in a league that gives a team points for doing NOTHING before the matchup even starts....if there was a list of stupid rules this would be at the top no doubt...it is a fanatsy world that we live in with this hobby....but I want my lineup out there against the other guys and see who scores the most points.....period...as I said I would hate to win by this rule as much as I would hate to lose by it....
Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
LOLAnd so you continue to beat the same old drum about your lineup vs. the other guy's lineup when I've already shown you that luck already plays a significant part in what you claim to be a contest of skill.'Stinkin Ref said:
But at least you doubled down on the volume of your unsupported assertion by adding "stupid" into your response. Bravo, my friend! Obviously someone's nerves were touched.
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Mr.Underhill
Footballguy
Good posting.It's always interesting when someone's opinion on something simply boils down to a matter of taste and preference but they can't admit it.'jasvic said:Funny where people draw the line on what's ridiculous or not. Just because this isn't standard, people scoff at it. If the first people who played fantasy instituted home field advantage from day one, no one here would give it a second look or question it. Peoples are funny. If you don't like a rule, don't use it. If other leagues use it and like it, why do you care?PS. Anyone who pretend drafts people for their make believe team should be careful throwing nerd stones in their geeky glass house.'[icon] said:Do do you "hometeam advantage" nerds have fantasy "home" playing surfaces that give bonuses to deep threat WRs, or ground and pound running games, too? I'm beginning to think Dungeons and Dragons might be a better game for some of you.
not sure what all this means..... but the words "luck" and "skill" appear in exactly zero of my posts....I have never said luck doesn't play a part in fantasy football.....maybe you are argueing with the wrong guy....there is skill in fantasy football and there is also luck.....giving a team points before the matchup even starts is neither......
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