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Fantasy Players that Outperform their Ability (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
we're talking fantasy performance vs. their actual athletic ability/talent level.
Buddy Ball 2K3
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Mike FurreyTravis HenryRudi JohnsonT. HoltAddai
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Ted Lange as your Bartender
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Matt Hasselbeck
Rod Smith
Warrick Dunn
Keenan McCardell
Hines Ward
Rod Smith
Warrick Dunn
Keenan McCardell
Hines Ward
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Great list...although I would disagree with Dunn.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I was on the fence with Dunn - thought of McCardell and Hines Ward after the fact
moleculo
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Shaun Alexander.
Weiner Dog
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Zach Thomas.
Fullback Fro
yesno
Brainpower count as ability?
TheFanatic
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T. Holt
you don't get 1300 yards 5 straight years by outperforming your ability. No WR in the history of the NFL has done that. And he missed the mark last year with a sub par 1100 yards. Holt = 
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Wondering why it took so long to post that.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Martz did for Holt, what he did for Furrey.T. Holt
you don't get 1300 yards 5 straight years by outperforming your ability. No WR in the history of the NFL has done that. And he missed the mark last year with a sub par 1100 yards. Holt =
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
He was a high draft pick as well so it isn't like he was a Colston that literally came out of nowhere. That said, I would say that there are definitely players that outplay their athletic ability but they are not outperforming their abilities overall. There are just some abilities that aren't measureable and quantifiable.T. Holt
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Footballguy
Sorry, but Hines Ward underperforms his ability in FF.
thatguy
Footballguy
Or they are in the ideal situation, like most Denver RBs over the past decade. I think that's more what this thread is getting at.He was a high draft pick as well so it isn't like he was a Colston that literally came out of nowhere. That said, I would say that there are definitely players that outplay their athletic ability but they are not outperforming their abilities overall. There are just some abilities that aren't measureable and quantifiable.T. Holt
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
I know I will probably be in the minority, but Larry Johnson
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Are you nuts? Hines Ward basically defines this list.He isn't blessed with size or top-end speed - how many years in a row did we hear about how this was the year that Plaxico, the bigger and faster WR, takes over as PIT's WR1? Ward would fall in drafts, become a top 5-10 WR and be labeled a steal by mid-November. His heart and fire made him what he is, not his athletic ability.
crimsonrebel
Footballguy
If were basing it solely on athletic ability, i'd have to add Drew Brees to the list, and I'm a Saints homer. Hes small for a QB. LJ Smith also comes to mind. He just benefits from a pass happy O. Romo is another guy who benefits from a great supporting cast, and outperforms because of it.
thatguy
Footballguy
Drew Brees is small, but I think more than anything he just defies the common perception that the ideal QB is 6'5". Sure, it's more difficult for shorter QBs to see the whole field, but Brees is smart enough and good enough to find ways. He is incredibly talented in that regard. However, he does benefit from the offense that his team runs the players he has around him.
Fullback Fro
yesno
P.Manning - If Brains and ability to prepare don't count as athletic ability then take him off the list.
KTM
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KTM
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I agree with these.
Colin Dowling
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billymays
Footballguy
I understand there is no "right" answer here, but in my mind, Hines Ward is the exact type of player that DOES NOT belong on this list... in the same way Troy Brown would NOT belong on this list. Both are gritty, blue-collar type players who do all the little things right, many of which don't show up on the fantasy stats sheet.who would I put on this list? I don't know for sure... maybe:
M Colston
Donald Driver
Bernard Berrian
Santana Moss
Chester Taylor
Frank Gore
Tatum Bell
Reuben Droughns
Travis Henry
Marc Bulger
Tony Romo
and in the past Aaron Brooks and Kerry Collins.
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Ted Lange as your Bartender
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Fair enough, but I think analyzing him that way overplays his down year in 2006 and underplays his 2002-2005 extremely solid, borderline stud years (2002-WR2, 2003-WR6, 2005-WR10), which fit perfectly in this category.
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Jeff Pasquino
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Alge Crumpler.
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Footballguy
Priest Holmes would define this list, if he were still playing. TD Ryan is looking at it the same way I am. I realize he isn't extremely quick or exceptionally athletic, but his value to his NFL team greatly exceeds his value in FF. If the question were NFL players who outperform their ability, I might agree. But it's "Fantasy Players that Outperform their Ability". Hines has great ability.TD Ryan said:
Marvin Harrison belongs on this list before Hines does.
Couch Potato
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Takeru Kobayashi 
Or did you just mean football?
Or did you just mean football?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Past-tense: Emmitt Smith
(As a Cowboy fan, I can easily say he always outperformed my (and everyone else's) expectations of him, which is why I think he's such a beloved figure in in Big D. I still put him alongside the elite of the elite backs in history because he just flat-out produced like few others. But, whatever it is that he did to achieve his greatness--even as a Gator--it was subtle and not always obvious.)
(As a Cowboy fan, I can easily say he always outperformed my (and everyone else's) expectations of him, which is why I think he's such a beloved figure in in Big D. I still put him alongside the elite of the elite backs in history because he just flat-out produced like few others. But, whatever it is that he did to achieve his greatness--even as a Gator--it was subtle and not always obvious.)
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Blasphemy!
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Footballguy
I lived in Kansas the last 6 years. I like Priest, but he is not nearly as talented as his stats indicate. Great nose for the endzone, but you put him on any other team and he's lucky to be a top 5-10 RB.Brandon Stokely (for a year anyway)
Cookiemonster
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To those of you who say Warrick Dunn doesn't belong on this list, are any of you the same ones who last year said R.Bush shouldn't be so overhyped because of his size (barely over 200 #)? Dunn isn't 180 #, isn't blazing fast (top end speed) or quick (agility, cone/shuttle drills) but just puts up RB2 #s every year. According to nearly everybody here (myself included), no RB should be in the top 2 rounds of a rookie dynasty draft that doesn't weigh 200+! Those backs are only supposed to get 250 yds rushing and 350 yds rec a year. Dude is one of the toughest pound-for-pound football players I've ever seen. I'll put him up close to Sweetness in that regard.
Toughness isn't a measurable, but I'm including that in the argument. The point may have been, "Who isn't good enough to do as well as they do, but are a product of their system and should their replacements be on my draft radar?"
Toughness isn't a measurable, but I'm including that in the argument. The point may have been, "Who isn't good enough to do as well as they do, but are a product of their system and should their replacements be on my draft radar?"
Donald Driver - Benefit of being Favre's only reliable option for a few years
Shaun Alexander - good, but is the scoring option for a great offense with a monster line
Chester Taylor - average back getting a TON of carries
Mike Furrey - Team through like 100 times per game and he has idiots beneath him
Jon Kitna - see above
Dante Stallworth - McNabb's best option
Reggie Wayne - Good WR, but gets the benefit of having the best QB get time behind a great line and having the other team focus more on Harrison
Shaun Alexander - good, but is the scoring option for a great offense with a monster line
Chester Taylor - average back getting a TON of carries
Mike Furrey - Team through like 100 times per game and he has idiots beneath him
Jon Kitna - see above
Dante Stallworth - McNabb's best option
Reggie Wayne - Good WR, but gets the benefit of having the best QB get time behind a great line and having the other team focus more on Harrison
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Thats fine. I didn't expect it to be a popular opinion. I was never impressed with LJ at Penn State. All of his big games were against the weaker teams in the Big 10. Just over hyped IMO. KC ain't a bad place to be with that line and the lack of explosive weapons IMO. I think he will come back to earth as time goes on, and if I owned him in a Dynasty I'd be selling, but thats just me. To each thier own.Colin Dowling said:KTM said:Pimpin Ain said:
LHUCKS
Footballguy
fantasy football performance vs. ability
Fallerjw
Footballguy
If there was a list of players whose NFL performance outperforms their Fantasy performance, Hines Ward is your man. He does everything right for that team. He blocks, can throw if he has to, gets a few carries and has very solid hands. Browns fan here, so not aTed Lange as your Bartender said:
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fixed.
zamboni
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Olandis Gary in Denver...
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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So in other words, look for a player who's in a good system or at least a good fantasy system who may not succeed in other places because it's a mirage, they're really not that good.Out of the top RB's I'd probably say S. AlexanderWr's I'd probably say Reggie Wayne as he benefits greatly from Manning and HarrisonOut of the Qb's that's tough but I guess J. Kitna. He's a 4000 yard passer who's aged, I doubt he'd be able to do this if he was on a team that played more defense and wasn't in a division that stunk
