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Fantasy Playoff Tiebreakers (1 Viewer)

Our league is 12 teams with 4 divisions. Each division winner gets a spot along with the top two non-division winners for a total of 6 playoff spots.

Our rules say that tiebreakers for wild card positions are decided by record, then head to head matchups, then points scored on the season, then a flip of the coin if necessary.

If more than two teams end up with the same 8-5 record, how does the league handle the head to head part of the tiebreaker? My commmissioner wants to bypass head to head and use total points. Disclaimer that commish is not one of the teams involved (he is out of contention at 4-8) and neither is mine (already won my division at 8-4).

We could have 3 teams with the same record. Team A lost to both Team B and Team C. Team B and Team C went 1-1 against each other. Team C has the fewest total points. Who goes to the playoffs? Team B gets in either way. Team C is out if total points is the tiebreaker even though they beat Team A straight up.

How does your league break ties, specifically using head to head matchups?

 
Our league is 12 teams with 4 divisions. Each division winner gets a spot along with the top two non-division winners for a total of 6 playoff spots.Our rules say that tiebreakers for wild card positions are decided by record, then head to head matchups, then points scored on the season, then a flip of the coin if necessary. If more than two teams end up with the same 8-5 record, how does the league handle the head to head part of the tiebreaker? My commmissioner wants to bypass head to head and use total points. Disclaimer that commish is not one of the teams involved (he is out of contention at 4-8) and neither is mine (already won my division at 8-4).We could have 3 teams with the same record. Team A lost to both Team B and Team C. Team B and Team C went 1-1 against each other. Team C has the fewest total points. Who goes to the playoffs? Team B gets in either way. Team C is out if total points is the tiebreaker even though they beat Team A straight up.How does your league break ties, specifically using head to head matchups?
Total Points first, then head to head - not saying it's the best way but you avoid the messy 3 and 4 way H2H tiebreakers.
 
Our league is 12 teams with 4 divisions. Each division winner gets a spot along with the top two non-division winners for a total of 6 playoff spots.Our rules say that tiebreakers for wild card positions are decided by record, then head to head matchups, then points scored on the season, then a flip of the coin if necessary. If more than two teams end up with the same 8-5 record, how does the league handle the head to head part of the tiebreaker? My commmissioner wants to bypass head to head and use total points. Disclaimer that commish is not one of the teams involved (he is out of contention at 4-8) and neither is mine (already won my division at 8-4).We could have 3 teams with the same record. Team A lost to both Team B and Team C. Team B and Team C went 1-1 against each other. Team C has the fewest total points. Who goes to the playoffs? Team B gets in either way. Team C is out if total points is the tiebreaker even though they beat Team A straight up.How does your league break ties, specifically using head to head matchups?
For the wildcard spot, I prefer points as the first tie breaker since its likely you only play that team once and it could have been a bad bye week, thus making HTH a little unfair.With that said in your scenario Team B and Team C get in since its usually HTH record of ALL tied teams (the way the NFL does it), making Team A 0-2 with the others 1-1.
 
If 3 teams are tied for 1 spot, you take whichever team scored the most points.

If 3 teams are tied for 2 spots, the first spot goes to whichever team scored the most points. The second spot goes to the Head-2-Head winner of the remaining two teams.

 
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It should always go to total points...however one of my leagues goes by division record...which is lame.
You should never ever ever use Division Record to break a tie between two teams that aren't in the same division. The NFL doesn't do it that way, so why should fantasy leagues do it that way?
 
Total points is more affected by one game wonders than team records are and should only be used as a last resort. This is fantasy football, not rotisserie baseball.

We use head to head, then division records (if both teams are in the same division), then conference records and finally total points. In a three-way tie head to head records are skipped. In a three way tie for the wildcard spot in your situation, both the head to head and divisional records would be skipped (because all teams aren't from the same division) and conference records would be used.

 
My league uses 2 tiebreak systems, one for determining division winners, the second for wildcards. For division winner tiebreaks, it goes H2H, Division record, then Total points.

For wildcards, we use total points, then H2H, then coinflip. It avoids trying to do a multi-way H2H with unbalanced schedules, and pacifies somewhat the few owners that believe in Total Points as a playoff team determiner.

 
We have a 12 team league with 3 divisions.

Each division winner gets a playoff spot then the remaining spots are filled by.

1. Record

2. Head2Head * if more than 2 teams, then we have a 'sweeps' exception for teams who are undefeated/winless amongst the tied teams, otherwise.

3. Power Ranking (Total Points + Breakdown)

 
Previous discussion with basically the same arguments:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=441134

Basically it boils down to 2 camps: H2H or Points.

IMO if you are in a H2H league, then H2H is the tiebreak. If you are in a Points league (no H2H matchups) then Points is the tiebreak. Actually now that I think about it you don't really need a tiebreak there.

Although I am warming up to the idea of a hybrid system where it's H2H for division/conference winners, then Points for remaining seeds. But I am kind of a purist and I like following the NFL rules.

 
total points all the wayH2H is a crock to begin with so to use it for tie breakers makes an already arbitrary system even more so.
:sadbanana: I prefer total points as the first tie breaker. Unfortunately most of the leagues Im in use HTH, division record, then points
 
Here's our Tiebreaker Format :

SEEDING AND TIEBREAKERS :

Divisional Tiebreakers :

1a) Head to Head Record

1b.) Divisional Record

2.) Total Points FOR

3.) Total Points FOR vs. Divisional Rivals

4.) Record vs. Common Opponents

5.) Total Points FOR against Common Opponents

Wild Card + Playoff Seeding

TWO TEAMS:

1a.) Head to Head record

1b.) Divisional Record (if applicable)

2.) Total Points FOR

THREE OR MORE TEAMS:

1.) Head-to-Head for ALL scenarios must be compared.

2.) IF 2 of 3 Teams reside within same division = Points FOR

3.) IF 3 Teams are from different divisions = Head to Head

4.) IF 3 Teams above remain tied = Points FOR

5.) IF 4+ teams are tied = Points FOR

IMPORTANT :

- Compare Head-to-Head records in multiple-team tiebreaker FIRST before advancing to the above tiebreakers. If one team is the clear-cut winner (H2H sweep?), advance to the above remaining tiebreakers.

- If one team wins multiple-team tiebreaker to advance to Playoff Round, remaining teams revert to Step 1 of rules applicable for remaining teams.

- The above method will assure the best teams involved make the Playoff Round.

==========================================================

You gotta compare ALL teams tied, find the CLEAR CUT winner in those teams, and then move on to the remaining teams and Rinse and Repeat...

SO based on your example :

Team A lost to both Team B and Team C. Team B and Team C went 1-1 against each other. Team C has the fewest total points. Who goes to the playoffs? Team B gets in either way. Team C is out if total points is the tiebreaker even though they beat Team A straight up.

Team A : 0-2

Team B : 1-1

Team C : 1-1

Since there wasn't a H2H SWEEP >>> you move to Total Points amongst the 3... Assuming Team B is the points leader, he's IN.

Next, compare 'em again in H2H format :

Team A : 0-1

Team C : 1-0

Team C is IN...

It's the simplest and most fair way to determine seedings. Since it IS a H2H league >>> you should use H2H as your first Tiebreaker. Why else would we play in an H2H league if Total Points was your 1st TB? What sense does THAT make?

Hope that helps

 
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Any teams in a tie are flown to Hong Kong where they must fight in the Kumite.

The winner advances.

 
I got sick of the 3 way tie thing with no common matchups. We went to overall record then points scored, then points scored against.
I can't imagine the need for a third tie breaker but it's possible I just don't understand why you chose points scored against. I would suggest division record and a coin toss before points against.
 
I got sick of the 3 way tie thing with no common matchups. We went to overall record then points scored, then points scored against.
I can't imagine the need for a third tie breaker but it's possible I just don't understand why you chose points scored against. I would suggest division record and a coin toss before points against.
Well, lets just assume for a minute that two teams have the same record and by some slim chance they also have the same amount of total points. I would want the the team with the most points against to make the playoffs because chances are the team with the least points against got an easy win somewhere along the line.It comes down to strength of schedule. Not that we've ever used this tie breaker in ten years...
 
Addai said:
Chaka said:
Addai said:
I got sick of the 3 way tie thing with no common matchups. We went to overall record then points scored, then points scored against.
I can't imagine the need for a third tie breaker but it's possible I just don't understand why you chose points scored against. I would suggest division record and a coin toss before points against.
Well, lets just assume for a minute that two teams have the same record and by some slim chance they also have the same amount of total points. I would want the the team with the most points against to make the playoffs because chances are the team with the least points against got an easy win somewhere along the line.It comes down to strength of schedule. Not that we've ever used this tie breaker in ten years...
It just seems arbitrary to penalize/reward teams for something they have no influence over. And if they have the same record and same points for then how they got there seems irrelevant. Like I said if you use divisions then I can see that being a tie breaker before points against. If not then I guess you are at least trying to be fair (although at least one person will disagree with you after the fact). I like the coin toss a little more because it gives each team an equal shot at the spot.
 

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