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Fargas or Rhodes (1 Viewer)
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
No and no. Maybe Rhodes and Fargas will share the backup job.
No chance.Besides, nobody knows how bad Jordan is or isn't hurt.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm unwilling to concede that Rhodes is still ahead of Fargas on the depth chart after what I witnessed today.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
No kidding, right? Every year is THE year...Yes, a lot of it was Miami's horrific run defense, but he deserves a lot of the credit too. Ran very hard and was decisive.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
They're on a bye next week.
perry147
Footballguy
I think Rhodes was an average back in a great system with the Colts, I am not sure how he will play when faced with an average OL and a weak QB (Culpepper did look good today - but I do not think he will keep that up).No kidding, right? Every year is THE year...Yes, a lot of it was Miami's horrific run defense, but he deserves a lot of the credit too. Ran very hard and was decisive.
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
No way, alot will be going to Waiver Wire for Fargas,but Rhodes will be the man if Jordan out a few months.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
I don't think the Raiders O-line can be considered average right now. They are absoluting DOMINATING in the run game. You really think Lamont did this by himself?I think Rhodes was an average back in a great system with the Colts, I am not sure how he will play when faced with an average OL and a weak QB (Culpepper did look good today - but I do not think he will keep that up).
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Ive had Fargas the past two years and while he has shown some spark several times... I'd rather have Rhodes.
ftr: currently I own neither in any league but I do own Jordan in one.
ftr: currently I own neither in any league but I do own Jordan in one.
Raiders37
Footballguy
I would think that since week 4 ended today for the Raiders, I would think that, yes, he can begin practicing with them tomorrow, Tuesday at the latest.I'm not 100% sure tho......
Anybody??
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
They said he's supended 5 weeks not 5 games..so I give it a go he can practice this Tuesday. I THINK!
Also he did complete pre-season and most likly kept in shape now. So I say he plays part time in week 6
Also he did complete pre-season and most likly kept in shape now. So I say he plays part time in week 6
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Raiders37
Footballguy
I thought he was suspended 4 games??
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Four games. He can return to practice this week.
Has anyone heard an update on Jordan?
Has anyone heard an update on Jordan?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Even with the first overall pick on the wire,I just don't think I can pull the trigger on Justin Fargas.
North
Footballguy
I think Fargas would be a reach at this point.
He benefitted from todays situation but if Rhodes were available he would have put up good numbers as well. I think that if Jordan is down for some time (this will be a season long issue IMO) Rhodes value goes up. Rhodes was brought in for a reason, b/c of Jordans performance last year. They gave him good money and they're not just going to sit him b/c Fargas put up 1 good game.
Look for Rhodes to get the bulk of the carries if Jordan is hurt.
He benefitted from todays situation but if Rhodes were available he would have put up good numbers as well. I think that if Jordan is down for some time (this will be a season long issue IMO) Rhodes value goes up. Rhodes was brought in for a reason, b/c of Jordans performance last year. They gave him good money and they're not just going to sit him b/c Fargas put up 1 good game.
Look for Rhodes to get the bulk of the carries if Jordan is hurt.
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massraider
Footballguy
Fargas ain't built to carry the rock 20 times. And it appears he thinks he weighs 250 pounds. The guy hits the hole like he's shot out of a cannon, and runs hard, but he's got a very, very thin frame.
He looked great today, and I've always like Fargas, as a backup. But he simply takes too many shots. If Jordan is not available, it'll be at least a 50/50 split with Dom, IMO. Rhodes looked good in the preseason as well, BTW.
He looked great today, and I've always like Fargas, as a backup. But he simply takes too many shots. If Jordan is not available, it'll be at least a 50/50 split with Dom, IMO. Rhodes looked good in the preseason as well, BTW.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Kudos to the guy who noted the DOMINANCE of the Raiders' OLine. For the last time, this is a coaching and scheme league and this year the Raiders have Tom Cable and the zone blocking scheme. While their pass blocking has been okay, their run blocking has be amazing so far. Just goes to show that a big part of fantasy comes down to offensive systems, coaches and OLinemen, just as much if not more than the "skill position" players.
For the purposes of this thread, if Jordan is out for a while, Fargas is the guy to grab. While it might turn into an RBBC, Fargas and Jordan's one-cut running styles have fit much better into this system than Rhodes. Preseason may not mean much, but it's all we have to go by and every time Rhodes played he looked lost compared to Jordan and Fargas who both showed the decisiveness and power running they are showing now. I wouldn't invest a lot, but Fargas is the one to grab IMO IF Jordan is out for an extended period.
For the purposes of this thread, if Jordan is out for a while, Fargas is the guy to grab. While it might turn into an RBBC, Fargas and Jordan's one-cut running styles have fit much better into this system than Rhodes. Preseason may not mean much, but it's all we have to go by and every time Rhodes played he looked lost compared to Jordan and Fargas who both showed the decisiveness and power running they are showing now. I wouldn't invest a lot, but Fargas is the one to grab IMO IF Jordan is out for an extended period.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Rhodes. Fargas is too fragile, ar at least has been so in the past..
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
No question Rhodes is the starter and from what I read about Jordan this might be a long time..
The Oakland Tribune speculates that LaMont Jordan's back injury could be serious and keep him out of action "for awhile."
The recurring injury had Jordan on crutches and wincing in the locker room after the game because his back couldn't support any weight. He was in severe pain when the injury was initially sustained and wouldn't talk to reporters. Jordan has a bye week to shake it off if he can, but could be limited upon return with Dominic Rhodes coming off suspension and Justin Fargas around.
Per Rotoworld.
The Oakland Tribune speculates that LaMont Jordan's back injury could be serious and keep him out of action "for awhile."
The recurring injury had Jordan on crutches and wincing in the locker room after the game because his back couldn't support any weight. He was in severe pain when the injury was initially sustained and wouldn't talk to reporters. Jordan has a bye week to shake it off if he can, but could be limited upon return with Dominic Rhodes coming off suspension and Justin Fargas around.
Per Rotoworld.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I'm confused as to why then Kiffin himself would of brought Rhodes into the fold in the first place then.I'm a Rhodes fan by no means. I simply question that the inherited Fargas would be the guy over a guy Kiffin himself brought in. I think it'd be a victory for Fargas if he turned it into a committee.And we don't really know the real status of Jordan. If he's healthy, there's no question whatsoever he's the guy.LawFitz said:
Red Apples
Footballguy
I'm one of those guys (idiots) who has been waiting on Fargas for years now...Ever year some how he ends up on my team.
So, im number 1 on waiver wires and I guess here I go again.
It took me awhile to get over my Ron Dayne infatuation...
But w/ Caddy done...Its time to renew Fargas love.
So, im number 1 on waiver wires and I guess here I go again.
It took me awhile to get over my Ron Dayne infatuation...
But w/ Caddy done...Its time to renew Fargas love.
CalBear
Footballguy
I predicted this elsewhere, but I'll do it here as well. If Jordan sits week 6 (which is what I'm currently guessing), here's my guess:
Rhodes: 15 carries, 35 yards
Fargas: 10 carries, 38 yards
Echemandu: 5 carries, 25 yards
Fargas's big numbers are an illusion. He's probably better than Rhodes, but Rhodes will probably be the lead back, at least for a game or two.
Rhodes: 15 carries, 35 yards
Fargas: 10 carries, 38 yards
Echemandu: 5 carries, 25 yards
Fargas's big numbers are an illusion. He's probably better than Rhodes, but Rhodes will probably be the lead back, at least for a game or two.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I won't question a Raider fan's knowledge of his team, you know much more than me, but , seems to me that Fargas is a stop-gap type of player..even the announcers were commenting last week,that he's not an every down back.and they did this while he was shaken up, and on the sidelines clearing the cob webs ( took a good shot)..I would think Fargas is the guy coming in off the bench, while Rhodes would be the 25-carry workhorse, if/when Lamont Jordan can't go..thoughts?
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Exactly..I won't question a Raider fan's knowledge of his team, you know much more than me, but , seems to me that Fargas is a stop-gap type of player..even the announcers were commenting last week,that he's not an every down back.and they did this while he was shaken up, and on the sidelines clearing the cob webs ( took a good shot)..I would think Fargas is the guy coming in off the bench, while Rhodes would be the 25-carry workhorse, if/when Lamont Jordan can't go..thoughts?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You both could be right... who knows?Exactly..I won't question a Raider fan's knowledge of his team, you know much more than me, but , seems to me that Fargas is a stop-gap type of player..even the announcers were commenting last week,that he's not an every down back.and they did this while he was shaken up, and on the sidelines clearing the cob webs ( took a good shot)..I would think Fargas is the guy coming in off the bench, while Rhodes would be the 25-carry workhorse, if/when Lamont Jordan can't go..thoughts?
I just don't think that Fargas will be pushed aside so easily, and I don't think Rhodes is anything special.
az_prof
Footballguy
I don't disagree that Fargas has been Fragile, but have you followed Rhodes' career? Both these guys are an accident waiting to happen. The answer: RBBC.
Big Score
Footballguy
Rhodes looked AWFUL in the preseason.Preseason
Week 1
8 for 21 yds rushing & 1 TD rushing - 1 for 10 yds receiving
Week 2
5 for 5 yds rushing - 1 for 8 yds receiving
Week 3
Nothing - Nothing
Week 4
10 for 29 yds rushing - 2 for 1 yd receiving
(In this game, against Seattles starters, Rhodes had this craptacular play)
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2-10-OAK 1 (2:54) 33-D.Rhodes left guard tackled in End Zone for -1 yards, SAFETY (55-D.Tapp).
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
I'm no Patriot fan but I think you need to remove your Sig line if you really want to maintain any credibility. The Patriots haven't been dominant because they stole signals. They've won Super bowls and been dominant because they are the best organization in the NFL and they have THE best QB and THE best Coach in the business.BTW, If I had the choice, I would definately have Rhodes before Fargas.
Neofight
Footballguy
I'm curious to know why Rhodes would suddenly become a 25 carry per game workhorse. He was never a workhorse back in Indy, even when Edge went down with the ACL injury. As a matter of fact, his highest carry total for a season is just 233 - just over 15 carries a game - his rookie year (when he was forced into action) and since then he has only averaged roughly 80 carries a SEASON (or 5.66 carries per game). Couple this with the fact that he has had an ACL surgery of his own and can only be assessed as a modest talent over the course of his NFL body of work, and I fail to see why he becomes the man in Oakland. I also don't believe his talents (as limited as they are) match up well with the zone blocking scheme. He is not a quick, one cut back a la Travis Henry or, more pertinent to this discussion, Fargas or Lamont. As a Lamont owner with all three other Oakland RB's available in the league I own him in, I would not bid more than two schillings on Rhodes. And that's not to say that I don't like him as a player. I've owned him three times in the past, most recently last year. But he is the very definition of a system back; and, unfortunately, this system is not one he will fare as well as others in.I see Fargas keeping things warm for Lamont until/if he is ready to go. If Lamont is out long term, I believe Bush would be the man to go after. He was a certified stud in college and the Raiders got a steal at the top of the 4th round. If he can fully recover from his broken leg, and there's no reason to believe he won't, he should be the future in Oakland. Rhodes is a situational back who, for all the talk of a big contract, only signed a two year $7.5 million deal with a $1 million signing bonus (including provisions for the suspension). Those are not big dollars in todays NFL. Certainly not something to feel obligated over.I won't question a Raider fan's knowledge of his team, you know much more than me, but , seems to me that Fargas is a stop-gap type of player..even the announcers were commenting last week,that he's not an every down back.and they did this while he was shaken up, and on the sidelines clearing the cob webs ( took a good shot)..I would think Fargas is the guy coming in off the bench, while Rhodes would be the 25-carry workhorse, if/when Lamont Jordan can't go..thoughts?
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
I'm curious to know why Rhodes would suddenly become a 25 carry per game workhorse. He was never a workhorse back in Indy, even when Edge went down with the ACL injury. As a matter of fact, his highest carry total for a season is just 233 - just over 15 carries a game - his rookie year (when he was forced into action) and since then he has only averaged roughly 80 carries a SEASON (or 5.66 carries per game). Couple this with the fact that he has had an ACL surgery of his own and can only be assessed as a modest talent over the course of his NFL body of work, and I fail to see why he becomes the man in Oakland. I also don't believe his talents (as limited as they are) match up well with the zone blocking scheme. He is not a quick, one cut back a la Travis Henry or, more pertinent to this discussion, Fargas or Lamont. As a Lamont owner with all three other Oakland RB's available in the league I own him in, I would not bid more than two schillings on Rhodes. And that's not to say that I don't like him as a player. I've owned him three times in the past, most recently last year. But he is the very definition of a system back; and, unfortunately, this system is not one he will fare as well as others in.I see Fargas keeping things warm for Lamont until/if he is ready to go. If Lamont is out long term, I believe Bush would be the man to go after. He was a certified stud in college and the Raiders got a steal at the top of the 4th round. If he can fully recover from his broken leg, and there's no reason to believe he won't, he should be the future in Oakland. Rhodes is a situational back who, for all the talk of a big contract, only signed a two year $7.5 million deal with a $1 million signing bonus (including provisions for the suspension). Those are not big dollars in todays NFL. Certainly not something to feel obligated over.I won't question a Raider fan's knowledge of his team, you know much more than me, but , seems to me that Fargas is a stop-gap type of player..even the announcers were commenting last week,that he's not an every down back.and they did this while he was shaken up, and on the sidelines clearing the cob webs ( took a good shot)..I would think Fargas is the guy coming in off the bench, while Rhodes would be the 25-carry workhorse, if/when Lamont Jordan can't go..thoughts?
