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Favre has McCarthy's Blessing to go to Vikings (1 Viewer)

jurrassic said:
Peterson fell in the Vikings lap. The Allen trade was a good one. I am not denying the Vikings have a good team. I just laugh at Viking fans. You hate on a guy like Favre for close to 2 decades and then want him on your team. It has to be tough to continue hate than embrace players. The Vikings use free agency more than the Packers. I wish the Packers would use it more. All I am saying is it must be tough to have to rely on your division rivals former players to deliver wins. Even if Favre comes to the Vikings and wins a Super Bowl, you still need a Packer (taught by the Packers, trained by the Packers, part of the Packer culture) to take you to the promised land.
[sarcasm]Didn't Favre actually get his initial NFL teaching/training in the Falcons organization?! Maybe that says more about the Packers inability to see Favre's talent around the war room, and more about the foundation that the Falcons organization poured into arguably one of the 4-5 greatest QBs in the history of the NFL.[/sarcasm] :lmao: Seriously though, ScottyFargo et al: Learn to recognize the :thumbup: and let it go. These are some of the same guys who say that they'd rather have Ryan Grant as their running back, or think that all of their players are squeaky-clean off the field. Let 'em have their fun. Seriously, what else do most of them have other than a professional football franchise to root for?!

There...we'll see how well THEY can recognize the :lmao: on the other side of the St. Croix too. EDITED TO ADD: Jim McMahon, circa 1995-1996 (cough, cough). Excuse me...something caught in my throat there.
Link to anyone claiming they would rather have Ryan Grant than someone like ADP?Or anyone claiming they are squeaky clean off the field. Nobody is saying those things.

As for Favre and your sarcasm...Wolf wanted him when he was with the Jets when Atl drafted him...he came to GB and went out to get Brett Favre. In addition, I doubt Favre got much training in Atl. Glanville hated him. Holmgren and Mooch really brought up him along big time.

And McMahon...he was brought in as a backup...

 
Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
What makes you think Moss would have brought them to the SB? That is a big stretch. Moss didn't beat the NYG on a great NE team why would he have beaten them in GB. I am much happier with Greg Jennings.
 
Link to anyone claiming they would rather have Ryan Grant than someone like ADP?

Or anyone claiming they are squeaky clean off the field. Nobody is saying those things.

As for Favre and your sarcasm...Wolf wanted him when he was with the Jets when Atl drafted him...he came to GB and went out to get Brett Favre. In addition, I doubt Favre got much training in Atl. Glanville hated him. Holmgren and Mooch really brought up him along big time.

And McMahon...he was brought in as a backup...
And?! :shrug: The main point being WHO CARES. Who cares if some chowder-head out there (and he's most-definitely out there...I just can't afford the time to find the link to it yet) got belittled by about 80 NFL fans for being a :homer: after he said on these boards that he would rather have Ryan Grant than ADP as the Packers RB? Who cares whether Favre spent a cup 'o tea in the Falcons organization? Who cares whether Darren Sharper "defected" to The Dark Side a few seasons ago? Didn't/Doesn't bother you though, right....bringing it up 3-4 years after the fact, after Sharper is a member of the Saints organization? ;) Who cares what Jim McMahon's role was with the Packers or the 836 other NFL teams he played for besides the Bears?

Who cares? Obviously Packer fans care...because they haven't had much else to talk about on the field since the main subject of this thread (Favre) threw that pick in overtime against the Giants to basically keep them out of the Super Bowl. Rodgers will be good (not as good as Favre, but then again, only 3-4 other QBs in the history of the NFL were as good as Favre was in his prime), and they've got a good nucleus on defense to build around. Jennings is also a keeper, and Driver is a steady, solid vet. However, rather than focus on their own team's positives, they gotta pull their same 'ol song and dance and hate on any ounce of success or potential any of their division rivals might be having.

And people wonder why Bears and Vikings fans relish any bit of pain, suffering or discomfort the Packers franchise and/or its fans have to occasionally endure...

 
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I will chime in to say that MANY Packers fans still are Favre fans too. Almost everyone I know, and I fall into that category too. I watched every Packers game and every Jets game last season.

So floopah to the notion that most fans have "turned on him".

If Favre played for the Vikings, I would cheer for him to do well. And lose every game they played against the Packers. I might even wish for the Packers to win the division and the Vikings to make it into the playoffs as a wildcard team. But I would not wish for the Vikings to lose every game against opponents just because it would help the Packers chances.

It is possible to value more than 1 thing in life and trade off between those values.

But I would not pick him up were I the Vikings. Not because he might not be an improvement for 1 season, he might. Rather because you build to do well for 2 to 3 seasons hoping that one gives you a good shot at the SB. Not to flame one season and be stranded the next. They have a young team and are still coming together in many parts of the game. I would start Sage and give him 2 years before condiering replacing him.

Finally, as a Favre fan I worry not about his legacy. The guy likes to play. Mostly when people have called him over the hill it was his decision making, not physical ability. At the end of last season I was less sure about that and now we know he was injured. And Favre has at times relied on the running game of Green or more recently Grant when it was solid. Not as much last year, but let us facing the play calling for the Jets left many of us befuddled.

So if healthy, he will probably be about the 12th best QB in the league. But he may well not be healthy (or at least NOT for long)

 
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Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
What makes you think Moss would have brought them to the SB? That is a big stretch. Moss didn't beat the NYG on a great NE team why would he have beaten them in GB. I am much happier with Greg Jennings.
Jennings would have been on the team no matter what. If the Packers traded for Moss, they would have had a Moss/Driver/Jennings trio which would have been sick talent. James Jones is likely the WR who wouldn't have been on the team. I do think the Packers would have been better with Moss but I don't think failing to trade for Moss cost the Packers a Super Bowl two seasons ago. It's not like Green Bay was lacking at talent at WR. Driver and Jennings both had good seasons and Jones flashed plenty of talent too.

 
Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
What makes you think Moss would have brought them to the SB? That is a big stretch. Moss didn't beat the NYG on a great NE team why would he have beaten them in GB. I am much happier with Greg Jennings.
Jennings would have been on the team no matter what. If the Packers traded for Moss, they would have had a Moss/Driver/Jennings trio which would have been sick talent. James Jones is likely the WR who wouldn't have been on the team. I do think the Packers would have been better with Moss but I don't think failing to trade for Moss cost the Packers a Super Bowl two seasons ago. It's not like Green Bay was lacking at talent at WR. Driver and Jennings both had good seasons and Jones flashed plenty of talent too.
How do you know that? There is no way anyone could know this. You people have to stop stating opinion as fact.
 
Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
What makes you think Moss would have brought them to the SB? That is a big stretch. Moss didn't beat the NYG on a great NE team why would he have beaten them in GB. I am much happier with Greg Jennings.
Jennings would have been on the team no matter what. If the Packers traded for Moss, they would have had a Moss/Driver/Jennings trio which would have been sick talent. James Jones is likely the WR who wouldn't have been on the team. I do think the Packers would have been better with Moss but I don't think failing to trade for Moss cost the Packers a Super Bowl two seasons ago. It's not like Green Bay was lacking at talent at WR. Driver and Jennings both had good seasons and Jones flashed plenty of talent too.
How do you know that?
Common sense. What possible reason would the Packers have to release Greg Jennings? If they weren't going to release him then he was going to be on the team no matter what. Thompson would have had to have been a gigantic idiot to release Jennings just because he traded for Randy Moss.

 
Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
What makes you think Moss would have brought them to the SB? That is a big stretch. Moss didn't beat the NYG on a great NE team why would he have beaten them in GB. I am much happier with Greg Jennings.
What makes anyone think Favre is taking a team to the Superbowl? We're dealing with hypotheticals here.
 
Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
I would have preferred getting there with whoever.
Totally agree. I suspect that if the Vikings did actually win a Superbowl with Favre, they could care less that he was the face of the Packers for however long. If anything, I would think that it would irk Packer fans to see the guy that was the face of their team leading a division foe to a title.
 
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Isn't not getting Moss part of what Favre is mad about? I can pretty much guarantee Packer fans would have preferred being in the Superbowl in 07 with Moss than losing in the title game without him.
I would have preferred getting there with whoever.
Totally agree. I suspect that if the Vikings did actually win a Superbowl with Favre, they could care less that he was the face of the Packers for however long. If anything, I would think that it would irk Packer fans to see the guy that was the face of their team leading a division foe to a title.
And most importantly, the people who make the decisions don't care what team players played for...they are simply pragmatic in looking at what the player would bring to the table for whatever duration they plan on offering them a contract.
 
I would love to see Favre come back and play again, as long as its not for my team (which is highly unlikely). He's always exciting or at least entertaining, which is the whole purpose of being a fan. It would irk me if he won a superbowl for the Vikings, but that would also be entertaining in a sense. As for Favre's "legacy", that is of no concern to me, but I can see how the Packers franchise sees some value in preserving it.

 
My dislike for Brett Favre could not be any greater. Trent Dilfer was on ESPN radio this morning. He sent a text to Favre and asked if Favre was considering a comeback. Favre said NO. Without a doubt.Of course, Ed Werder and crew post this gem today:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4142857

While Favre had been emphatic about not returning next season, he never anticipated the Jets would release him after drafting Mark Sanchez in the first round

What the hell do you mean? You asked for your release...twice. Man, I despise Bus Cook. And the Favre lie machine just keeps on rolling.

 
Wow..If you think your state is any different than Wisconsin or you don't have the same kind of people, then you need to get out more. So we love our football team and we're not fair weather fans. That makes us crack addicts?
Question for you, Scott: What is your definition of a fair-weather fan?!People I know who follow the Vikings are there glued to their sets/radios or in their seat at Metrodome whether they are contending for the playoffs or wrapping up a sub-.500 season. The difference though is that most people I know won't put the Vikings ahead of paying the mortgage or buying groceries. Everyone I know would strongly prefer to be there at the stadium if time and money would allow! However, when money's tight (like the B.S. Packer fans were pulling when the economy was in free-fall and the Vikings were struggling to sell-out against the Eagles), TV or the radio will have to make due.

The definition of the word addiction, according to dictionary.com: "the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

The definition of the word addict, from dictionary.com:

1. a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substance: a drug addict.

2. to cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on an addictive substance, as alcohol or a narcotic.

3. to habituate or abandon (oneself) to something compulsively or obsessively: a writer addicted to the use of high-flown language; children addicted to video games.

I contend that a lot of Packer fans I know fit the definition of the term "addict"...as if you took the team away from them, they would go through worse stuff than if you tried to get them off alcohol, cigarettes, drugs or other activities. It's really cool, fun and admirable...as long as that passion is "consumed" in moderation. If you're living in a trailer park/apartment and thousands behind on your credit cards, but you'll drop a few hundred to go to Lambeau for a few hours of entertainment without a second thought, you're an addict. Not "you" per se, just the generic use of the word "you."

That might be the difference here. I bleed Purple, but I've only been to Metrodome once and the old Met once in my lifetime. Does that mean I don't love my team, bring my daughter to Training Camp in Mankato, and will sit through garbage time of every preseason game just to see a few guys at the end of their bench show what they can do in trying to make the team? I don't miss a snap...unless LIFE (work, my kids, etc.) takes priority. ;)
Seriously one of the dumbest posts I've seen here and I've seen a lot of them.. :)
 
ookook said:
But I would not pick him up were I the Vikings. Not because he might not be an improvement for 1 season, he might. Rather because you build to do well for 2 to 3 seasons hoping that one gives you a good shot at the SB. Not to flame one season and be stranded the next. They have a young team and are still coming together in many parts of the game. I would start Sage and give him 2 years before condiering replacing him. Finally, as a Favre fan I worry not about his legacy. The guy likes to play. Mostly when people have called him over the hill it was his decision making, not physical ability. At the end of last season I was less sure about that and now we know he was injured. And Favre has at times relied on the running game of Green or more recently Grant when it was solid. Not as much last year, but let us facing the play calling for the Jets left many of us befuddled.
Ok...I took out some of what you said because I agree with it...if he goes there for the love of it, I wish him well.But, the first paragraph I have quoted here makes me wonder...some of the same things were said last year about Favre as to why GB made the right move to go on without him? So why is it so different now? You could have changed Minny with GB as far as the young team thing not needing just one season. why is it different now? Because they owed something to him? Im not trying to start something...just wondering.As for the legacy...I only "worry" about it if he is coming back solely for some personal vendetta...IMO that makes him look pretty toolish
 
Norseman said:
Don't forget the guys dressed up in wigs with blonde pig tails and that idiotic horn thing.
How is a fake hunk of cheese any less idiotic than wigs with blonde pig tails?
Both are dumb...but only one is dressing kind of like a woman. :porked:Though...call us when a blonde wig saves someone's life.
 
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scott72 said:
Wow..If you think your state is any different than Wisconsin or you don't have the same kind of people, then you need to get out more. So we love our football team and we're not fair weather fans. That makes us crack addicts?
Question for you, Scott: What is your definition of a fair-weather fan?!People I know who follow the Vikings are there glued to their sets/radios or in their seat at Metrodome whether they are contending for the playoffs or wrapping up a sub-.500 season. The difference though is that most people I know won't put the Vikings ahead of paying the mortgage or buying groceries. Everyone I know would strongly prefer to be there at the stadium if time and money would allow! However, when money's tight (like the B.S. Packer fans were pulling when the economy was in free-fall and the Vikings were struggling to sell-out against the Eagles), TV or the radio will have to make due.

The definition of the word addiction, according to dictionary.com: "the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma."

The definition of the word addict, from dictionary.com:

1. a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substance: a drug addict.

2. to cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on an addictive substance, as alcohol or a narcotic.

3. to habituate or abandon (oneself) to something compulsively or obsessively: a writer addicted to the use of high-flown language; children addicted to video games.

I contend that a lot of Packer fans I know fit the definition of the term "addict"...as if you took the team away from them, they would go through worse stuff than if you tried to get them off alcohol, cigarettes, drugs or other activities. It's really cool, fun and admirable...as long as that passion is "consumed" in moderation. If you're living in a trailer park/apartment and thousands behind on your credit cards, but you'll drop a few hundred to go to Lambeau for a few hours of entertainment without a second thought, you're an addict. Not "you" per se, just the generic use of the word "you."

That might be the difference here. I bleed Purple, but I've only been to Metrodome once and the old Met once in my lifetime. Does that mean I don't love my team, bring my daughter to Training Camp in Mankato, and will sit through garbage time of every preseason game just to see a few guys at the end of their bench show what they can do in trying to make the team? I don't miss a snap...unless LIFE (work, my kids, etc.) takes priority. :wall:
Seriously one of the dumbest posts I've seen here and I've seen a lot of them.. :no:
Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
 
Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
Sounds like the Vikings fans that never sell out when their team goes 7-9. Sell out while losing for 10 years and then you can call others fair weather fans.
 
Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
Sounds like the Vikings fans that never sell out when their team goes 7-9. Sell out while losing for 10 years and then you can call others fair weather fans.
He wasn't calling you fair weather fans, he was talking about the opposite...how ridiculously, slavishly devoted many Packer home towners are; to the point where their relationship with the team is enmeshed and dependant. Like how, now that Favre really COULD become a Viking, you might read in the local Wisc. papers about the rash of Man-on-sheep violence rose sharply as fans took out their anger on their loved ones.
 
Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
Sounds like the Vikings fans that never sell out when their team goes 7-9. Sell out while losing for 10 years and then you can call others fair weather fans.
He wasn't calling you fair weather fans, he was talking about the opposite...how ridiculously, slavishly devoted many Packer home towners are; to the point where their relationship with the team is enmeshed and dependant. Like how, now that Favre really COULD become a Viking, you might read in the local Wisc. papers about the rash of Man-on-sheep violence rose sharply as fans took out their anger on their loved ones.
Too funny watching your vikings fans act like you have a clue what Packer fans are actually like.Oh...and the only anger that may be taken out...is if this happens and it does keep coming around that Favre is doing it for revenge...how do you think Kampman will be treating him when they meet on the field? Hawk? Bigby? You think the players are going to take it easy on him?
 
To all you Packer fans......WHAT IF ???

What if your golden boy came to be the starting quarterback of the hated Minnesota Vikings this season?? What if in doing it he beat you twice during the regular season and once at your beloved Lambeau Field?? What if this very talented Vikings team mucked around and won the flippin Super Bowl?? What would you have left to say to us Vikings fans??

NOTHING !!!!

I've hated Favre for years. I've thought he was overrated. I've thought he was the media princess. I've thrown crap at the TV when Madden was getting his Brett Favre love fest on. That being said, if Favre has the ability, the desire, the heart, to win a Vince Lombardi Trophy for the Vikings, I'm all for it.

I think as this team looks at the quarterback position we will suffer yet another year. Jackson is not the answer IMHO and Shane, again IMHO wont be either. Bring in the hated gunslinger. Let him fall on his face and tarnish his legacy forever. (WIN) Let him get crushed by some rushing linebacker and get slobber knocked. (WIN) Let him suffer a career ending injury so we dont have to listen to the crap anymore. (WIN) Or maybe, just maybe, watch him do something even more amazing or lucky than anything he's ever done against US over the years. Brett Favre and the Vikings are the 2010 Super Bowl Champions !!!!

WHAT IF ???

:ninja:

 
Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
Sounds like the Vikings fans that never sell out when their team goes 7-9.Sell out while losing for 10 years and then you can call others fair weather fans.
Was that a purposeful duck-and-dodge, or did you just not understand my previous post? I wasn't calling ANYONE fair-weather fans. I was asking Scott72 for his personal definition of fair-weather fan. He ducked the question...which doesn't really surprise me. That said, please don't twist my words.I've got dozens of friends and [shudder] a few family members (they were still small children after their family relocated from MN to WI, so I've forgiven them...lol) who follow the Packers religiously. I don't use that term (religiously) lightly either. There is Sunday Services, daily/weekly Bible studies, communion (Miller Lite, Pabst, etc.), codes of ethics/conduct, dress codes, etc. Lambeau is also Mecca...and anyone who doesn't share their religious beliefs are either simpletons (insert pat on head here) or one heart attack or stroke away from spending eternity burning in ####.

Believe me guys, it's NOT envy! If it were a healthy passion, that's different. However, I know numerous people who take it to the level of addiction...to the point where it interferes with their jobs, their family life, their finances, their health, etc. It can be cool...but I've seen obsessions over that team break up marriages, alienate children from their fathers, keep families teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, etc. PERSONALLY. Not me, but people I know. Real people.

It's sad. It's scary! But mostly it's sad. :lol:

 
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Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
Sounds like the Vikings fans that never sell out when their team goes 7-9.Sell out while losing for 10 years and then you can call others fair weather fans.
Was that a purposeful duck-and-dodge, or did you just not understand my previous post? I wasn't calling ANYONE fair-weather fans. I was asking Scott72 for his personal definition of fair-weather fan. He ducked the question...which doesn't really surprise me. That said, please don't twist my words.I've got dozens of friends and [shudder] a few family members (they were still small children after their family relocated from MN to WI, so I've forgiven them...lol) who follow the Packers religiously. I don't use that term (religiously) lightly either. There is Sunday Services, daily/weekly Bible studies, communion (Miller Lite, Pabst, etc.), codes of ethics/conduct, dress codes, etc. Lambeau is also Mecca...and anyone who doesn't share their religious beliefs are either simpletons (insert pat on head here) or one heart attack or stroke away from spending eternity burning in ####.

Believe me guys, it's NOT envy! If it were a healthy passion, that's different. However, I know numerous people who take it to the level of addiction...to the point where it interferes with their jobs, their family life, their finances, their health, etc. It can be cool...but I've seen obsessions over that team break up marriages, alienate children from their fathers, keep families teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, etc. PERSONALLY. Not me, but people I know. Real people.

It's sad. It's scary! But mostly it's sad. :angry:
This is just an over the top load of nonsense. I grew up in Green Bay. People are obsessed about the team. But rarely does the "addiction" take destructive forms. Example: I don't know a single person in Green Bay who ignores their family because of football. I do, however, know plenty of people who ignore their families for other reasons (e.g., career obsession, alcohol addiction, etc).In other words, I think you are full of ****.

 
Wrong. Great post. Describes a lot of Packers addicts to a tee.
Sounds like the Vikings fans that never sell out when their team goes 7-9.Sell out while losing for 10 years and then you can call others fair weather fans.
Was that a purposeful duck-and-dodge, or did you just not understand my previous post? I wasn't calling ANYONE fair-weather fans. I was asking Scott72 for his personal definition of fair-weather fan. He ducked the question...which doesn't really surprise me. That said, please don't twist my words.I've got dozens of friends and [shudder] a few family members (they were still small children after their family relocated from MN to WI, so I've forgiven them...lol) who follow the Packers religiously. I don't use that term (religiously) lightly either. There is Sunday Services, daily/weekly Bible studies, communion (Miller Lite, Pabst, etc.), codes of ethics/conduct, dress codes, etc. Lambeau is also Mecca...and anyone who doesn't share their religious beliefs are either simpletons (insert pat on head here) or one heart attack or stroke away from spending eternity burning in ####.

Believe me guys, it's NOT envy! If it were a healthy passion, that's different. However, I know numerous people who take it to the level of addiction...to the point where it interferes with their jobs, their family life, their finances, their health, etc. It can be cool...but I've seen obsessions over that team break up marriages, alienate children from their fathers, keep families teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, etc. PERSONALLY. Not me, but people I know. Real people.

It's sad. It's scary! But mostly it's sad. :lol:
This is just an over the top load of nonsense. I grew up in Green Bay. People are obsessed about the team. But rarely does the "addiction" take destructive forms. Example: I don't know a single person in Green Bay who ignores their family because of football. I do, however, know plenty of people who ignore their families for other reasons (e.g., career obsession, alcohol addiction, etc).In other words, I think you are full of ****.
If Favre signs with the Vikings, there are a lot of Wisconsin kids named Brett who's dad will never look at them them the same ever again.
 
To all you Packer fans......WHAT IF ???

Jackson is not the answer IMHO and Shane, again IMHO wont be either.
All that needs to be said about this prized QB addition. I kid. Sage isn't that bad, but I think he's been a solid backup for a reason.Brett should be brought in. Can you imagine Peterson when they can't stack the box?!?

 

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