Favre, Owens HOF Nominees (2 Viewers)

[Bri]

Mawae not making it again is garbage. As if anyone else had a prayer in beating out Dermontti Dawson for pro bowls or all pros year after year.

The Steelers dominate the HOF with their Centers and they were all awesome but he needs consideration like Dwight Stephenson.

 

[Bri]

I'm surprised Owens didn't have to sit out a year. While he was playing so many of the old timers claimed (some variation of) his antics would hurt him.

 

[cockroach]

**** Vermeil for the water works

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Its ok to hate TO and still accept him as the 3rd greatest WR of all time. Eagles Pats superbowl for example.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Finalist

(Times)

Years as Finalist

Morten Andersen

(3)

2014-16

Steve Atwater

(1)

2016

Don Coryell

(3)

2010, 2015-16

Terrell Davis

(2)

2015-16

Edward DeBartolo, Jr.

(4)

2012-14, 2016

Tony Dungy

(3)

2014-16

Alan Faneca

(1)

2016

Brett Favre

(1)

2016

Kevin Greene

(5)

2012-16

Marvin Harrison

(3)

2014-16

Joe Jacoby

(1)

2016

Edgerrin James

(1)

2016

John Lynch

(3)

2014-16

Terrell Owens

(1)

2016

Orlando Pace

(2)

2015-16

Ken Stabler

(4)

1990-91, 2003, 2016

**** Stanfel

(3)

2015-16

Kurt Warner

(2)

2015-16

 

[ShamrockPride]

While he was playing so many of the old timers claimed (some variation of) his antics would hurt him.

That's called jealousy.

 

[Capella]

I'm a big Bucs fan but I am a little surprised Lynch is a finalist for a third time. Never seemed to be a big movement for him but here he is again.

I do think this is the year for Dungy.

 

[Bri]

While he was playing so many of the old timers claimed (some variation of) his antics would hurt him.

That's called jealousy.

Huh? When he's dancing on the Cowboys star, the old veterans wish they did that?

 

[travdogg]

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

Leroy Butler best true safety of the 90s? really? Is that an oops?

Can't think of anyone who was better in the 90's. Rod Woodson was more corner than safety in the 90's, and Brian Dawkins only played 4 years in the 90's.

 

[dhockster]

Numbers alone, TO should be in.

Numbers plus the fact that he is a jerk, he still should be in.

Numbers plus the fact that he is a jerk plus that the fact that he caused drama and dissension on three of the main teams he played for? He may have to wait a year or two.

Looking at TO's playoff performances, he had two memorable games, the Phi/NE Superbowl and the SF/NYG wild card game in 2002. He had one other playoff game with at least 100 yards. 7 of his other 9 playoff games he had less than 50 yards receiving. That could also count against him.

 

[travdogg]

I'm a big Bucs fan but I am a little surprised Lynch is a finalist for a third time. Never seemed to be a big movement for him but here he is again.

I do think this is the year for Dungy.

I'm always surprised the esteem Lynch is held in. He was the 4th or 5th best guy on that great Bucs defense. Great player, but not a HOF'er.

1. Brooks

2. Sapp

3. Barber

4. Lynch or Rice

 

[travdogg]

Numbers alone, TO should be in.

Numbers plus the fact that he is a jerk, he still should be in.

Numbers plus the fact that he is a jerk plus that the fact that he caused drama and dissension on three of the main teams he played for? He may have to wait a year or two.

Looking at TO's playoff performances, he had two memorable games, the Phi/NE Superbowl and the SF/NYG wild card game in 2002. He had one other playoff game with at least 100 yards. 7 of his other 9 playoff games he had less than 50 yards receiving. That could also count against him.

I'd say his most memorable game was the catch against Green Bay in 98 to win the game. He may have been the only WR in the NFL who makes that catch.

 

[ShamrockPride]

While he was playing so many of the old timers claimed (some variation of) his antics would hurt him.

That's called jealousy.

Huh? When he's dancing on the Cowboys star, the old veterans wish they did that?

TO is universally regarded as a top 5, with many, top 3 WR ever. Maybe no rings, but football is a team game. And if it weren't for TO playing at 60-70% in the Super Bowl and still destroying New England, the Eagles would have lost by at least 2 td's.

 

[dhockster]

Numbers alone, TO should be in.

Numbers plus the fact that he is a jerk, he still should be in.

Numbers plus the fact that he is a jerk plus that the fact that he caused drama and dissension on three of the main teams he played for? He may have to wait a year or two.

Looking at TO's playoff performances, he had two memorable games, the Phi/NE Superbowl and the SF/NYG wild card game in 2002. He had one other playoff game with at least 100 yards. 7 of his other 9 playoff games he had less than 50 yards receiving. That could also count against him.

I'd say his most memorable game was the catch against Green Bay in 98 to win the game. He may have been the only WR in the NFL who makes that catch.

You're right, he deserves credit for that. The rest of that game, though, 2 catches for 48 yards, with a lost fumble on his first reception.

 

[Bri]

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

Leroy Butler best true safety of the 90s? really? Is that an oops?

Can't think of anyone who was better in the 90's. Rod Woodson was more corner than safety in the 90's, and Brian Dawkins only played 4 years in the 90's.

Oh. To each his own then. It's rare someone speaks so highly of him.

My opinion would start with Ronnie Lott, then Darren Woodson, John Lynch, Atwater and either Steeler. I'd take all them before Butler.

Dawkins is probably similar for the 90s.

We do these threads every year and I can't recall anyone ever saying a four time probowler belonged. I just found it interesting is all

 

[Bri]

While he was playing so many of the old timers claimed (some variation of) his antics would hurt him.

That's called jealousy.

Huh? When he's dancing on the Cowboys star, the old veterans wish they did that?

TO is universally regarded as a top 5, with many, top 3 WR ever. Maybe no rings, but football is a team game. And if it weren't for TO playing at 60-70% in the Super Bowl and still destroying New England, the Eagles would have lost by at least 2 td's.

This is not a reply to your jealousy tangent

 

[ShamrockPride]

While he was playing so many of the old timers claimed (some variation of) his antics would hurt him.

That's called jealousy.

Huh? When he's dancing on the Cowboys star, the old veterans wish they did that?

TO is universally regarded as a top 5, with many, top 3 WR ever. Maybe no rings, but football is a team game. And if it weren't for TO playing at 60-70% in the Super Bowl and still destroying New England, the Eagles would have lost by at least 2 td's.

This is not a reply to your jealousy tangent

Okay, let me put it this way. Unless those "vets" names are either Jerry Rice or Randy Moss, I wouldn't bother listening.

 

[Tau837]

I'm a big Bucs fan but I am a little surprised Lynch is a finalist for a third time. Never seemed to be a big movement for him but here he is again.

I do think this is the year for Dungy.

I'm always surprised the esteem Lynch is held in. He was the 4th or 5th best guy on that great Bucs defense. Great player, but not a HOF'er. 1. Brooks

2. Sapp

3. Barber

4. Lynch or Rice

 

[dickey moe]

I don't think TO will get in this year.

 

[pecorino]

Looks like a lot of quality offensive linemen waiting to get in. I have a hunch the voters make TO wait one year because of his personality. (Not saying that's right)

I like Favre, Harrison, Pace, Joe Jacoby, and a coach--how about Tony Dungy on the strength of his nice-guyness and a bump because he was a good player to boot.

 

[travdogg]

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

Leroy Butler best true safety of the 90s? really? Is that an oops?

Can't think of anyone who was better in the 90's. Rod Woodson was more corner than safety in the 90's, and Brian Dawkins only played 4 years in the 90's.

Oh. To each his own then. It's rare someone speaks so highly of him.

My opinion would start with Ronnie Lott, then Darren Woodson, John Lynch, Atwater and either Steeler. I'd take all them before Butler.

Dawkins is probably similar for the 90s.

We do these threads every year and I can't recall anyone ever saying a four time probowler belonged. I just found it interesting is all

I agree Lott was MUCH better, but he retired in '94. Darren Woodson is close, but I don't think he was as good at his peak as Butler was. I feel Lynch and Atwater are similar to each other, in that they are both remembered as better players than they really were, because they were both big hitters, on Super Bowl winning teams, but both were very mediocre in coverage. I assume your other Steeler is Carnell Lake, who I'd have a notch behind all these guys.

If we are just talking safeties, I've always wondered why Johnny Robinson isn't a HOF'er. He's a 6 time all-pro, and 7 time pro-bowl player, who was arguably the best defensive player(maybe overall player) on the Chiefs 2 Super Bowl teams(him or Bobby Bell) and in my opinion, was as good as any safety in history.

 

[Bri]

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

Leroy Butler best true safety of the 90s? really? Is that an oops?

Can't think of anyone who was better in the 90's. Rod Woodson was more corner than safety in the 90's, and Brian Dawkins only played 4 years in the 90's.

Oh. To each his own then. It's rare someone speaks so highly of him.

My opinion would start with Ronnie Lott, then Darren Woodson, John Lynch, Atwater and either Steeler. I'd take all them before Butler.

Dawkins is probably similar for the 90s.

We do these threads every year and I can't recall anyone ever saying a four time probowler belonged. I just found it interesting is all

I agree Lott was MUCH better, but he retired in '94. Darren Woodson is close, but I don't think he was as good at his peak as Butler was. I feel Lynch and Atwater are similar to each other, in that they are both remembered as better players than they really were, because they were both big hitters, on Super Bowl winning teams, but both were very mediocre in coverage. I assume your other Steeler is Carnell Lake, who I'd have a notch behind all these guys.

If we are just talking safeties, I've always wondered why Johnny Robinson isn't a HOF'er. He's a 6 time all-pro, and 7 time pro-bowl player, who was arguably the best defensive player(maybe overall player) on the Chiefs 2 Super Bowl teams(him or Bobby Bell) and in my opinion, was as good as any safety in history.

I could write a whole long thing here. I don't think Butler was HOF caliber in the run game nor Atwater at coverage. Lynch wasn't relied upon with such an awesome D. I don't think he had to cover the whole field til Denver. Woodson is always underappreciated so I won't bother. Lake IMO is one of the top football players in his time. He might take a knock at some positional ranking but overall he was invaluable due to his versatility. I loved Rodney in SD and can't believe I forgot him here.

My opinion of all this though is somewhat different. See I think Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were the Sweetness and Barry of Safeties. IMO they were significantly better than most everyone here. Maybe development of the sport, Lebeau's D over time (and the Ravens took a page out of his book the way Reed played) and some development there. I'm not sure what ya call it but those guys weren't even the athletes Reed and Polamalu were. So it's a real odd position to vote for these guys who were special in their time but not Reed or Polamalu. I think if I were voting, I'd never vote for the guys above. "Push comes to shove" and I would always pick some great at a different position. Ya know I wouldn't be wrong for picking Favre over Butler or Moss over Lynch etc and then in time Reed and Polamalu would be eligible.

 

[Ghost Rider]

My top-5 would be:

Brett Favre, held every major career passing record until last season. 3 MVP's, 1 Super Bowl title. He's a lock

Terrell Owens, ALL PRO WR for 3 different teams. In my opinion, the best WR of his generation. Feels like a lock.

Alan Faneca, 6 time all-pro, 9 time pro bowler. Best interior lineman of the 00's in my eyes. 1 Ring helps as well.

Zach Thomas, 5 time all pro, 7 time pro bowler. One of the best LB's ever, but was unfortunately overshadowed by Ray Lewis. Should have been in last year.

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

If that's a standard, why aren't you putting in Terrell Davis, who was the first best player on back to back Super Bowl WINNING teams?

 

[travdogg]

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

Leroy Butler best true safety of the 90s? really? Is that an oops?

Can't think of anyone who was better in the 90's. Rod Woodson was more corner than safety in the 90's, and Brian Dawkins only played 4 years in the 90's.

Oh. To each his own then. It's rare someone speaks so highly of him.

My opinion would start with Ronnie Lott, then Darren Woodson, John Lynch, Atwater and either Steeler. I'd take all them before Butler.

Dawkins is probably similar for the 90s.

We do these threads every year and I can't recall anyone ever saying a four time probowler belonged. I just found it interesting is all

I agree Lott was MUCH better, but he retired in '94. Darren Woodson is close, but I don't think he was as good at his peak as Butler was. I feel Lynch and Atwater are similar to each other, in that they are both remembered as better players than they really were, because they were both big hitters, on Super Bowl winning teams, but both were very mediocre in coverage. I assume your other Steeler is Carnell Lake, who I'd have a notch behind all these guys.

If we are just talking safeties, I've always wondered why Johnny Robinson isn't a HOF'er. He's a 6 time all-pro, and 7 time pro-bowl player, who was arguably the best defensive player(maybe overall player) on the Chiefs 2 Super Bowl teams(him or Bobby Bell) and in my opinion, was as good as any safety in history.

I could write a whole long thing here. I don't think Butler was HOF caliber in the run game nor Atwater at coverage. Lynch wasn't relied upon with such an awesome D. I don't think he had to cover the whole field til Denver. Woodson is always underappreciated so I won't bother. Lake IMO is one of the top football players in his time. He might take a knock at some positional ranking but overall he was invaluable due to his versatility. I loved Rodney in SD and can't believe I forgot him here.

My opinion of all this though is somewhat different. See I think Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were the Sweetness and Barry of Safeties. IMO they were significantly better than most everyone here. Maybe development of the sport, Lebeau's D over time (and the Ravens took a page out of his book the way Reed played) and some development there. I'm not sure what ya call it but those guys weren't even the athletes Reed and Polamalu were. So it's a real odd position to vote for these guys who were special in their time but not Reed or Polamalu. I think if I were voting, I'd never vote for the guys above. "Push comes to shove" and I would always pick some great at a different position. Ya know I wouldn't be wrong for picking Favre over Butler or Moss over Lynch etc and then in time Reed and Polamalu would be eligible.

Agree to disagree on Butler I guess. We are pretty much on the same page with Darren Woodson. I'd put Harrison in that same tier with Lynch and Atwater.

I agree 100% with that 2nd paragraph. Polamalu and especially Reed, were well ahead of the rest of their colleagues.

My top-5 would be:

Brett Favre, held every major career passing record until last season. 3 MVP's, 1 Super Bowl title. He's a lock

Terrell Owens, ALL PRO WR for 3 different teams. In my opinion, the best WR of his generation. Feels like a lock.

Alan Faneca, 6 time all-pro, 9 time pro bowler. Best interior lineman of the 00's in my eyes. 1 Ring helps as well.

Zach Thomas, 5 time all pro, 7 time pro bowler. One of the best LB's ever, but was unfortunately overshadowed by Ray Lewis. Should have been in last year.

LeRoy Butler, 3rd best player on back to back super bowl teams. 4 all-pros and pro bowls. Best true safety of the 90's.

If that's a standard, why aren't you putting in Terrell Davis, who was the first best player on back to back Super Bowl WINNING teams?

Its not a standard, but it is a point in his favor. For the record, Davis was the very next guy on my list if I'd gone to 6.

 

[grateful zed]

t o made football fun.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Twitter leaks say Marvin Harrison, Tony Dungy and Eddie DeBartolo are getting in. Favre has to be a lock. Couple more spots left.

 

[The General]

Sounded like Pace and Greene were getting in from interviews I heard throughout last week.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

TO didn't make it.

What a joke. NFL hof lets everyone in but somehow TO didn't get in. Politics.

 

[The General]

TO didn't make it.

What a joke. NFL hof lets everyone in but somehow TO didn't get in. Politics.

John Clayton is on my local station all the time and has a vote. He was saying if Harrison were to get in than TO would have a hard time this year because they wouldn't want to have the WR position to take up 2 spots.

Agreed TO should be in right now all regardless.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

T.O. should be in before Harrison period. Not even close. If off field comes into play well TO never murdered anyone like Harrison did.

 

[Soulfly3]

NFL is a parody of itself.

 

[Capella]

Apparently Dungy made it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

2016 HOF class: Edward DeBartolo, Kevin Greene, Marvin Harrison, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Orlando Pace, **** Stanfel, Tony Dungy.

 

[Faust]

Brett Favre highlights Hall of Fame Class of 2016

 

[massraider]

Kevin Greene? Nah...

 

[moleculo]

Tony Dungy in, Terell Davis out.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tony Dungy in, Terell Davis out.

Amazingly stupid, isn't it?

 

[Koya]

TO didn't make it.

What a joke. NFL hof lets everyone in but somehow TO didn't get in. Politics.

The guy flat hurt some of the teams he was on. Isn't a HOFer supposed to make a team better? He was an absolute killer at times. A shame, sick talent and production. But way too many negatives, imo.

 

[Koya]

Kevin Greene? Nah...

Im with you there. Did you ever see him as an HoFer back in the day? Really really good player? Sure. In the Panteon? Um, no.

 

[massraider]

Kevin Greene? Nah...

Im with you there. Did you ever see him as an HoFer back in the day? Really really good player? Sure. In the Panteon? Um, no.

Good player, yep. Rarely the best player on whatever defense he was on.

 

[travdogg]

2016 HOF class: Edward DeBartolo, Kevin Greene, Marvin Harrison, Brett Favre, Ken Stabler, Orlando Pace, **** Stanfel, Tony Dungy.

Greene is a surprise. He's pretty much the definition of hall of very good. I mean what makes him better than pass rushing contemporaries like Pat Swilling, or Clyde Simmons? Great players, but not HOF'ers in my eyes.

Totally on board with Favre, Harrison and Pace. Stanfel was long overdue.

Stabler kinda blows my mind. I feel like he was a good QB, who happened to be on a great team at the right time. So many better senior candidates. But that Raiders mystique certainly helps. In all honesty, I think he's the 3rd best QB(Lamonica, Gannon) in Raiders history, and that hasn't exactly been a hotbed of great QB play.

 

[menobrown]

Apparently Dungy made it.

Nice guy apparently, good leader, good coach but there are a several coaches he has zero business getting into the HOF over. Reeks, I mean reeks, of politics/PC crapola.

 

[menobrown]

TO didn't make it.

What a joke. NFL hof lets everyone in but somehow TO didn't get in. Politics.

Seems like worst year for politics and undeserving candidates I can ever recall.

I'm a Steeler fan and really liked Green but I never thought he was a HOF player. Like Dungy he's really good, not HOF and most of all not over a lot of other candidates.

And Stabler, I don't really have a problem with him making it but I started watching the NFL seriously until 1980 so don't feel very qualified to give an opinion one way or the other but just getting in the year first ballot since his death just seems like politics to me. If not, really sucks it could not have happened on year earlier.

 

[massraider]

TO's tweet following the vote:

Terrell Owens

✔@terrellowens
Unfortunately I did not make it. CONGRATS to the 2016 HOF CLASS. Thanks to ALL MY FANS for ur unwavering love & support. #ONLYGODCANJUDGEME

8:02 PM - 6 Feb 2016 · San Francisco, CA, United States

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So glad this clown didn't get in.

He will eventually, and completely deserved. But as time passes, people forget what a truly awful, immature, selfish little jagoff he was. He threw teammates under the bus, scattered father-less children around the country, and always blamed anyone else for anything going wrong, including the end of his career.

Also, because he was talented, people made excuses for him all the way along his career.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Apparently Dungy made it.

Nice guy apparently, good leader, good coach but there are a several coaches he has zero business getting into the HOF over. Reeks, I mean reeks, of politics/PC crapola.

Pretty much, yeah. No way was the first black head coach to win a Super Bowl not going to make it, especially since Dungy is a super classy guy who is loved by everyone in the media, but it's like people forget that while he turned the Bucs around, he couldn't get them over the hump, they quit on him in 2001, and then won it all the next year with a different head coach. And as much as everyone loves to bag on Peyton Manning for winning only one Super Bowl, we can turn it around and say that Dungy had one of the best QBs ever for seven years and only won one Super Bowl with him (and only got past the 2nd round one other time). If that's a black mark against Manning, it should certainly be one against Dungy.

 

[massraider]

What did DeBartolo, Jr. add to the game?

Real question, I only know that he was the owner during the glory years.

 

[Milkman]

TO's tweet following the vote:

Terrell Owens

✔@terrellowens
Unfortunately I did not make it. CONGRATS to the 2016 HOF CLASS. Thanks to ALL MY FANS for ur unwavering love & support. #ONLYGODCANJUDGEME

8:02 PM - 6 Feb 2016 · San Francisco, CA, United States

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So glad this clown didn't get in.

He will eventually, and completely deserved. But as time passes, people forget what a truly awful, immature, selfish little jagoff he was. He threw teammates under the bus, scattered father-less children around the country, and always blamed anyone else for anything going wrong, including the end of his career.

Also, because he was talented, people made excuses for him all the way along his career.

Yeah I thought he should have gotten in. Most dominant WR I've ever watched play. Just destroyed defenders on the field.

 

[Chaka]

No Tom Flores still irks me. He doesn't even get consideration. It's a shame.

 

[massraider]

I think one of the biggest overlooked guys is Don Coryell. Never won a Super Bowl, but an innovator.

 

[raidergil]

No Tom Flores still irks me. He doesn't even get consideration. It's a shame.

Yup, besides W/L record has a far stronger resume than Dungy. Played all 10 yrs of AFL, 2 Rings as coach (and if being a minority helps Dungy what about Flores?). Only he & Ditka won SB as player, asst coach & coach.