Ministry of Pain
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FBG Mock Draft '25 Completed with all 101 picks inside (13 Viewers)
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Andy Dufresne
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Half of one, six dozen of another to me.
dkp993
Footballguy
I’m literally jumping on a plane right now and not caught up. I thought we discussed you or @rockaction were going to pick for me this round?
Ministry of Pain
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Instinctive
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I don't think that's directly responsive, FWIW. It would be a waste to turn Skattebo into just a passing specialist. I'm not saying you couldn't, just...you could do that with less draft capital. He overlaps a lot with Judkins.Skattebo is as good a pass catcher as there is in the class, at least among the top RBs (Brashard Smith is probably the best pass catcher, but he's in that specialist bucket ala Justice Hill)Aren't Skattebo and Judkins kind of similarly skilled? I'd have maybe waited til the 4th/5th and taken a guy more in the speed/passing down mold.Yes. You are correct in pointing out the logical flaw and so that is clearly a misstatement on my part.I think the draft is nice, but I'd strongly disagree with the bolded. If Estime and McLaughlin were starting caliber guys, RB wouldn't be a need. If Denver drafts both Skattebo and Judkins, those guys don't see snaps, and Estime is likely inactive, if he even makes the team.Denver filled three glaring starter holes in free agency (TE, S, and ILB). RB is the only position where starter is not locked in for 2025.
This was my pick at 86.
That said, as a Chargers fan, I would love to see Denver spend 2 Day 2 picks on RBs. I do not think that is maximizing roster value.
Getting the PFF #3 RB at pick 85 and having four starting-caliber guys all under age 25 at such an injury-prone position is pretty decent roster value IMO.
Where I was coming from is that Estime and McLaughlin have started games in the past as part of a rotation.
So while capable in a weaker RB room, those two can clearly be upgraded upon and would not likely see snaps in this scenario (my first Skattebo post stated they would be situational at best).
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
I agree with you on the dropoff. I just think you hurt the value of each by taking both. I could be wrong. But neither is really Kamara, and both are closer to Ingram, if we're talking previous Payton models.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
@Andy Dufresne
"You may fire when ready"
"You may fire when ready"
MAC_32
Footballguy
Ha...just got a pick ready for the Rams too.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Appreciate the reference and...
Minnesota Vikings select:
3.90 - WR Jaylin Noel, Iowa State
And not just because he's being pimped at the top of the forum.
The Vikings' WR depth chart is gross and that's before the possibility of an Addison suspension.
Noel had a great season and has poured gas on the fire in his post season activities.
He could step right in as a WR3 and contribute on special teams (another weak area).
@Uruk-Hai is up.
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Picking on behalf of Uruk-Hai, with the 91st pick in the draft the Ravens pick:
03.91CJ West- UI by way of Kent St
Interior DT comfortable in both the A and B gap he’s a disruptor with potential. He’s built like Warren Sapp and has a motor similar as well. Strong against the run he’ll slot nicely next to Madubuike and Travis Jones on 1sr and 2nd downs. Needs work for pass rush but is in a good place to learn on the job.
03.91CJ West- UI by way of Kent St
Interior DT comfortable in both the A and B gap he’s a disruptor with potential. He’s built like Warren Sapp and has a motor similar as well. Strong against the run he’ll slot nicely next to Madubuike and Travis Jones on 1sr and 2nd downs. Needs work for pass rush but is in a good place to learn on the job.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
3.92 Miami Dolphins - RB Damien Martinez , The U
-Simply put, Achane went from 100 carries for 800...to 200 carries for not a lot more yds in '24.
Achane was close to 80 catches, he'll continue to get at least that many but I want to reel him back to no more than 10 carries a game, enter Martinez
6'0"/235 and he's a true bruiser, "this is one Santa that's coming thru the front door." The Hurricanes decided to limit Martinez to just 159 carries because of Cam Ward
He is a 1st and 2nd down RB, he can play on 3rd down as well, look at his yds per catch, he simply doesn't get enough throws and plays designed to get him in space.
Damien doesn't go down on 1st contact. I watched him a lot at Miami and even with a loaded RB class, I feel safe in saying that Martinez will make an immediate impact.
I see a guy that can easily carry it 225-250+ carries, Miami needs consistency at RB, not 10 yds one carry and then 1-2-1, Martinez will get the most on every touch.
He logged 2 years at Oregon State before transferring to Miami and rather than dodge this class for a year and come back to Miami, he enters at 21, no major injuries
I believe he will easily be one of the Top 5 in this Draft class, I find very little to not like here. His 40 time isn't slow, 4.51
I see Miami running.a lot of 2 TE sets with Fannin brought on board, add in Martinez and we can split Achane out wide across from Waddle and run a slightly more steady offense that still has some pop. The IDL were cleaned out pretty good all 3rd round. We still have 115 and 130 plus 150 and 155 t find a couple OL and a NT
-Simply put, Achane went from 100 carries for 800...to 200 carries for not a lot more yds in '24.
Achane was close to 80 catches, he'll continue to get at least that many but I want to reel him back to no more than 10 carries a game, enter Martinez
6'0"/235 and he's a true bruiser, "this is one Santa that's coming thru the front door." The Hurricanes decided to limit Martinez to just 159 carries because of Cam Ward
He is a 1st and 2nd down RB, he can play on 3rd down as well, look at his yds per catch, he simply doesn't get enough throws and plays designed to get him in space.
Damien doesn't go down on 1st contact. I watched him a lot at Miami and even with a loaded RB class, I feel safe in saying that Martinez will make an immediate impact.
I see a guy that can easily carry it 225-250+ carries, Miami needs consistency at RB, not 10 yds one carry and then 1-2-1, Martinez will get the most on every touch.
He logged 2 years at Oregon State before transferring to Miami and rather than dodge this class for a year and come back to Miami, he enters at 21, no major injuries
I believe he will easily be one of the Top 5 in this Draft class, I find very little to not like here. His 40 time isn't slow, 4.51
I see Miami running.a lot of 2 TE sets with Fannin brought on board, add in Martinez and we can split Achane out wide across from Waddle and run a slightly more steady offense that still has some pop. The IDL were cleaned out pretty good all 3rd round. We still have 115 and 130 plus 150 and 155 t find a couple OL and a NT
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ZWK
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Noel was the obvious BPA. He was on my short list at 78 for ARI, and would've been the pick if Schwesinger wasn't there and I hadn't already taken McMillan. Good trade-up for the Vikings, and I guess it makes sense that the Rams traded out of that pick given that they have much less of a need at WR.
farfromforgotten
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With the 93rd selection, the New Orleans Saints select Jacob Parrish, CB, Kansas St
CB is a position of need after losing Lattimore and Adebo in the offseason. Parrish is fast (4.35 40) and has experience playing on the outside and in the slot during his time with the Wildcats.
Edit: it was way past my bedtime when I made this selection so the explanation comes now. This was fun! Thanks to MoP and my fellow GMs for participating. If I were moving forward in this draft I’d look at OL and possibly one of the QBs still available for the Saints in the 4th round.
CB is a position of need after losing Lattimore and Adebo in the offseason. Parrish is fast (4.35 40) and has experience playing on the outside and in the slot during his time with the Wildcats.
Edit: it was way past my bedtime when I made this selection so the explanation comes now. This was fun! Thanks to MoP and my fellow GMs for participating. If I were moving forward in this draft I’d look at OL and possibly one of the QBs still available for the Saints in the 4th round.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Joe's being too modest. This player was his suggestion.
I like it. With Michael Pierce retiring, the Ravens need a clogger up front. Alongside Madubuike, Jones, and Broderick Washington, West gives Baltimore a nice IDL foursome.
So, the Ravens went Edge, CB, DL with their three picks. It wouldn't surprise me if one of those positions was swapped out for OL, where the five starters are pretty much set but there is zero depth. It also wouldn't surprise me if they moved around in the draft order some if they think they can maximize value.
TheDirtyWord
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With the 94th pick, the Atlanta Falcons select Kevin Winston Jr; S - Penn State
@Ben & Jerry's w/KC is up.
@Ben & Jerry's w/KC is up.
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Ministry of Pain
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Andy Dufresne
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Because of bad drafting both in the later Rick Speilman and early Kweisi drafts, the Vikings have a startling lack of depth. 
They are an OLD team and still have holes in the defensive backfield, a need at starting guard, and depth just about everywhere.
They are an OLD team and still have holes in the defensive backfield, a need at starting guard, and depth just about everywhere.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Excellent choice. I had him at #85 if Skattebo hadn't been there.
Winston has fallen through the cracks among pundits due to the injury, but PFF's best run-defense grade for a safety in the draft
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
We are winding down the 3rd round, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of you for doing this
I appreciate the efforts to make it feel real with the trades, something we do see a lot in the NFL drafts with teams moving up and down the boards.
There are some players I want to go back and take a 2nd/3rd look at after reading the discussion you all had and spotlighted on certain players
-I have a lot more thoughts about the QB position and some other general trends we see in mocks here and on other sites
I think most front offices would be wise to see what the successful teams are doing and try to mimic them. Miami/Chris Grier have done a poor job of loading Miami up with young talent
When you look at the Miami depth charts you can barely find starting players we have drafted. We trade a lot of picks for players on other teams.
But back to my original thought, thank you for making this easy.
I always want to know what you all are thinking about players and trends.
-I also want to make an announcement to those who participated
After 10 years if not longer of not competing in Dynasty leagues and routinely warning folks of the dangers of these GMs in your redrafts...
I am going to be joining my son and some of his friends in creating a new Dynasty league after showing him how to play FF the last 4-5 years, all redraft leagues.
His friends wanted us to launch a dynasty. I agreed on the condition of a simultaneous redraft league w/same owners to keep MoP-Pops happy
I want to compete and do well so I will be more active in dynasty discussions and maybe slightly more open to player projections beyond just the immediate season
-This was partly why I jumped in to guide the thread, wanted to get more info on some of the players and see what others are going to do in these rookie drafts
Thanks to Everyone!
I appreciate the efforts to make it feel real with the trades, something we do see a lot in the NFL drafts with teams moving up and down the boards.
There are some players I want to go back and take a 2nd/3rd look at after reading the discussion you all had and spotlighted on certain players
-I have a lot more thoughts about the QB position and some other general trends we see in mocks here and on other sites
I think most front offices would be wise to see what the successful teams are doing and try to mimic them. Miami/Chris Grier have done a poor job of loading Miami up with young talent
When you look at the Miami depth charts you can barely find starting players we have drafted. We trade a lot of picks for players on other teams.
But back to my original thought, thank you for making this easy.
I always want to know what you all are thinking about players and trends.
-I also want to make an announcement to those who participated
After 10 years if not longer of not competing in Dynasty leagues and routinely warning folks of the dangers of these GMs in your redrafts...
I am going to be joining my son and some of his friends in creating a new Dynasty league after showing him how to play FF the last 4-5 years, all redraft leagues.
His friends wanted us to launch a dynasty. I agreed on the condition of a simultaneous redraft league w/same owners to keep MoP-Pops happy
I want to compete and do well so I will be more active in dynasty discussions and maybe slightly more open to player projections beyond just the immediate season
-This was partly why I jumped in to guide the thread, wanted to get more info on some of the players and see what others are going to do in these rookie drafts
Thanks to Everyone!
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This is like when Amazon had a competition between all those cities that spent millions in hopes they could land the new headquarters - only to find out it was all just market research provided for free to Amazon!
I feel so used!
Streetduck
Footballguy
It was between Winston and Mukuba for me at 88, Winston much better at the run Defense & Mukuba much better at pass protection. Health & pass protection won out.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is like when Amazon had a competition between all those cities that spent millions in hopes they could land the new headquarters - only to find out it was all just market research provided for free to Amazon!
I feel so used!
eighsse2
Footballguy
Turns out we've been training AI for free with all those CAPTCHA's too.This is like when Amazon had a competition between all those cities that spent millions in hopes they could land the new headquarters - only to find out it was all just market research provided for free to Amazon!
I feel so used!
Gatorade
Footballguy
Thank you for doing this. I was late to jump in because I don't follow the college game at all.
As far as Dallas goes, I just don't like their spot at #12. Outside of Hunter and Carter, the only player I really like for Dallas at the top is DT Mason Graham. No way he falls to #12. I hope that Dallas can trade down to the 20-25 range and pick up another second rounder. That way they could either take RB Hampton or another top RB in the second. ( If Hampton falls to Washington I will be PO'd. )Then they could still address OL, DL and WR.
Feel the same way about the 49ers at 11.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Very deep class for DTs and sometimes teams do not value them the same way we do. If you don't get one in the 1st, there's plenty in the 2nd and even 3rd round
I feel similar to Miami at 13, would like them to trade down or take Barron from Texas to fill the major holes in the Secondary
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
3.95 KC Chiefs select WR Savion Williams, TCU
Savion Williams measured in at the NFL Combine at 6'4 and 222lbs. His 4.48 40-yard dash was the fastest of any offensive prospect his size or larger at this year's combine. 1st round talent with Day 3 polish.
In 2024, scored 12 TDs, 6 through the air, and 6 on the ground. Squats 600 lbs, with 355 on the bench press.
Very effective lining up in the backfield, and in goal line/short yardage situations as a running back or wildcat option.
Played QB in High School and could chuck the ball farther than any of the Hornfrogs QBs. Will need a creative playcaller to maximize his unique physical talents.
With the ball in his hands, flashes elements of Deebo Samuel and CeeDee Lamb to his game, but needs work catching the football consistently.
His ceiling is Cordarrelle Patterson 2.0, with a floor of Chase Claypool.
Savion Williams measured in at the NFL Combine at 6'4 and 222lbs. His 4.48 40-yard dash was the fastest of any offensive prospect his size or larger at this year's combine. 1st round talent with Day 3 polish.
In 2024, scored 12 TDs, 6 through the air, and 6 on the ground. Squats 600 lbs, with 355 on the bench press.
Very effective lining up in the backfield, and in goal line/short yardage situations as a running back or wildcat option.
Played QB in High School and could chuck the ball farther than any of the Hornfrogs QBs. Will need a creative playcaller to maximize his unique physical talents.
With the ball in his hands, flashes elements of Deebo Samuel and CeeDee Lamb to his game, but needs work catching the football consistently.
His ceiling is Cordarrelle Patterson 2.0, with a floor of Chase Claypool.
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Ministry of Pain
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farfromforgotten
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Sorry folks, will have the pick up shortly
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Pick 96 - Eagles select Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas
Long Ball Larry
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Ministry of Pain
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Long Ball Larry
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure if I am entitled to critique picks when I declined to participate. IMO, there's nothing terrible taking Campbell at 4 (he's most likely going to end up as the NE pick). However, his prospect evaluation scores don't lead to being a Top 5 pick in pretty much any recent draft. Last year, he probably would have fallen into the 2nd round. I think he'll be a decent starter for a number of years. The issue will be when he comes off his rookie deal, is an above average tackle going to be worth $30M a season (which is where the market is headed). I just think with the #4 pick you need to come away with better than a decent multi-year starter.
I think either of the following would have worked out better for NE: trade down a few picks and get Campbell anyway (adding additional draft assets in the process) . . . or dropping a lot further down (adding players or picks or both) and drafting a similarly skilled OT that could very likely be a long-term decent starter. Put another way, I don't see a ton of difference in the tackles available in the middle or the first round, late in the first round, or in the top of the second round. If NE really wanted to, they could have dropped down in the draft and ended up with two starting tackles who I view as similar to Campbell and maybe even had raked in other assets on top of it.
RC94
Footballguy
#99 NY Giants select QB. Kyle McCord, Syracuse.
Taking both Milroe and McCord probably means Winston is getting cut or if he can go to the practice squad, but I like McCord and think he can at least be a high end backup. I like the idea of a team that doesn't have a long term starting QB taking 2 QBs to compete and double the opportunity to develop someone. Plus, if they feel the need, they can trade Milroe or McCord at some point in the future. Even a failed QB like Pickett was traded as was an unproven QB like Milton. QBs with a good arm are always tradeable.
Taking both Milroe and McCord probably means Winston is getting cut or if he can go to the practice squad, but I like McCord and think he can at least be a high end backup. I like the idea of a team that doesn't have a long term starting QB taking 2 QBs to compete and double the opportunity to develop someone. Plus, if they feel the need, they can trade Milroe or McCord at some point in the future. Even a failed QB like Pickett was traded as was an unproven QB like Milton. QBs with a good arm are always tradeable.
Pick 3-100 SF 49ers select Shemer Turner, DT, Texas AM
Going to double up on DT and take Turner to pair up with Alfred Collins. Turner is a bit undersized at 300 pounds, but good athlete and extremely aggressive (mean hopefully). 49ers have to improve their run D and like this pair to shore that up.
Going to double up on DT and take Turner to pair up with Alfred Collins. Turner is a bit undersized at 300 pounds, but good athlete and extremely aggressive (mean hopefully). 49ers have to improve their run D and like this pair to shore that up.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Been waiting for somebody to take this guy! Good pick.
Jerk - the Lions were hoping he'd fall two more picks
Unfortunately he probably won’t fall this far in the real draft.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Eagles draft
48. Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State
64. Cameron Williams, OT, Texas
96. Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas
98. Kyle Kennard, Edge, South Carolina
Honestly kind of hate this. My main priorities coming in were DT, OL, Edge, and maybe S or TE. I tried to hew to how I thought they Eagles would operate, but I didn’t have the strategy fleshed out enough.
I though DT was more important because it seems 50-50 that they want to keep Jordan Davis after this year, they lost Milton Williams, and Ojumo and Booker are decent depth but I don’t know how much more they can step up. I think Edge is important after losing Sweat and BG and I think that getting cheap OL help with an eye to the future is also important.
In retrospect, I should have just taken Nolen at 32. My hesitations were: I didn’t understand why this player type who has so many good traits wasn’t consistently rated higher and that it was unclear what the Eagles’ interest in him was. So when I had the opportunity to get surplus value in a trade for the 32 pick, it seemed worthwhile. And I thought I could have my cake and eat it too by moving back up in the 2nd and still maybe getting Nolen and at worst getting Xavier Watts, maybe even at 48. I doubt they will draft Tyleik Williams because I don’t think he will provide enough pass rush (despite what a few sites indicate) but they do love physical traits and high pedigree players. Wish I had just taken Mbow or Tuimoloau at that point, but I was too locked in on DT and I thought that Mbow would be there at 64 and maybe another edge that I liked would. That was also wrong and we had to settle for what seemed like the toolsiest OL left, plus I hoped a LB or Edge that I think the Eagles like (like Schwesinger or Oladejo) would be there at 96. By the time we got there, Helm seemed like the best value and then Kennard was as good a choice as any of the rest of the edge rushers and I know the Eagles had him in for a top 30 visit.
So I kept getting stuck in no man’s land and usually decided not to overpay (in my head) and that came back to bite me. So part of this was bad circumstance, but part of it was certainly me shooting myself in the foot.
So that’s my rationale, for nobody who was asking.
48. Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State
64. Cameron Williams, OT, Texas
96. Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas
98. Kyle Kennard, Edge, South Carolina
Honestly kind of hate this. My main priorities coming in were DT, OL, Edge, and maybe S or TE. I tried to hew to how I thought they Eagles would operate, but I didn’t have the strategy fleshed out enough.
I though DT was more important because it seems 50-50 that they want to keep Jordan Davis after this year, they lost Milton Williams, and Ojumo and Booker are decent depth but I don’t know how much more they can step up. I think Edge is important after losing Sweat and BG and I think that getting cheap OL help with an eye to the future is also important.
In retrospect, I should have just taken Nolen at 32. My hesitations were: I didn’t understand why this player type who has so many good traits wasn’t consistently rated higher and that it was unclear what the Eagles’ interest in him was. So when I had the opportunity to get surplus value in a trade for the 32 pick, it seemed worthwhile. And I thought I could have my cake and eat it too by moving back up in the 2nd and still maybe getting Nolen and at worst getting Xavier Watts, maybe even at 48. I doubt they will draft Tyleik Williams because I don’t think he will provide enough pass rush (despite what a few sites indicate) but they do love physical traits and high pedigree players. Wish I had just taken Mbow or Tuimoloau at that point, but I was too locked in on DT and I thought that Mbow would be there at 64 and maybe another edge that I liked would. That was also wrong and we had to settle for what seemed like the toolsiest OL left, plus I hoped a LB or Edge that I think the Eagles like (like Schwesinger or Oladejo) would be there at 96. By the time we got there, Helm seemed like the best value and then Kennard was as good a choice as any of the rest of the edge rushers and I know the Eagles had him in for a top 30 visit.
So I kept getting stuck in no man’s land and usually decided not to overpay (in my head) and that came back to bite me. So part of this was bad circumstance, but part of it was certainly me shooting myself in the foot.
So that’s my rationale, for nobody who was asking.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
wait WTH, I swore he was gone because I remember thinking that both Shemars were gone and I might have even taken him at 48 or considered not going Tyleik and hoping for him at 64.
He’s available to trade for
RC94
Footballguy
Williams is an interesting prospect. McShay compared him to Patterson too.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Thanks for the feedback and I concur. I announced that the pick was available the moment I took the Patriots and throughout the process up until the pick. I didn’t get one offer.
rockaction
Footballguy
101 - LA Rams - Bhayshul Tuten - RB
This guy just tore up the combine and it seemed like every time I saw him on the highlight reels it was a constant 70 yards to the house. He's 5'9", 206 and he's called an early down back even at that size. He burns a 4.32 and jumps out the gym. The knocks on him are fumbling and pass protection, but we'll see if we can't rectify those in the pros. I know Corum is there, but he isn't that great and frankly, neither is Kyrem Williams. I feel like even though Tuten probably has 4th- or 5th-round grade, I consider him too electric to pass up and was thrilled when I saw him.
This guy just tore up the combine and it seemed like every time I saw him on the highlight reels it was a constant 70 yards to the house. He's 5'9", 206 and he's called an early down back even at that size. He burns a 4.32 and jumps out the gym. The knocks on him are fumbling and pass protection, but we'll see if we can't rectify those in the pros. I know Corum is there, but he isn't that great and frankly, neither is Kyrem Williams. I feel like even though Tuten probably has 4th- or 5th-round grade, I consider him too electric to pass up and was thrilled when I saw him.
rockaction
Footballguy
eighsse2
Footballguy
This guy is super exciting, especially for fantasy. Will be interesting to see at what point in the NFL draft he goes, because I have no idea today where he should go in a dynasty rookie draft.
