FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

[SacramentoBob]

Kind of an odd move.

 

[Jayrod]

He's probably just trying to rattle us.

 

[Green and Gold]

First thought is that he's setting up for control of the c file. If so he plans on Bh6 and then Rc1. Either he doesn't see the possible Ba4 pin (doubtful) or he's decided that it's not worth it and his bishop is better on c2 attacking the knight.

A defensive strategy in response would be to play Bb7. An offensive strategy would be to play a5 and Ba6.

Bb3 makes a5 less attractive, as Bc4 stop Ba6. I have to admit I'm now partial to Bb7. I do like that diagonal, and we'd be ready to get to work on the c file.

Qd7 looks good as well, to prepare to put pressure on the isolated d pawn. The reason I like this maybe better than Bb7 is that it gives us an extra tempo to get the king's rook in play. If you luft the queen and he plays Bh6, you can slide the rook right to d8.

 

[hagmania]

He's probably just trying to rattle us.

Resign imo

 

[timschochet]

First thought is that he's setting up for control of the c file. If so he plans on Bh6 and then Rc1. Either he doesn't see the possible Ba4 pin (doubtful) or he's decided that it's not worth it and his bishop is better on c2 attacking the knight.

A defensive strategy in response would be to play Bb7. An offensive strategy would be to play a5 and Ba6.

Bb3 makes a5 less attractive, as Bc4 stop Ba6. I have to admit I'm now partial to Bb7. I do like that diagonal, and we'd be ready to get to work on the c file.Qd7 looks good as well, to prepare to put pressure on the isolated d pawn. The reason I like this maybe better than Bb7 is that it gives us an extra tempo to get the king's rook in play. If you luft the queen and he plays Bh6, you can slide the rook right to d8.

That makes a lot of sense- except don't we want both rooks on the c file?

 

[SacramentoBob]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

 

[Green and Gold]

First thought is that he's setting up for control of the c file. If so he plans on Bh6 and then Rc1. Either he doesn't see the possible Ba4 pin (doubtful) or he's decided that it's not worth it and his bishop is better on c2 attacking the knight.

A defensive strategy in response would be to play Bb7. An offensive strategy would be to play a5 and Ba6.

Bb3 makes a5 less attractive, as Bc4 stop Ba6. I have to admit I'm now partial to Bb7. I do like that diagonal, and we'd be ready to get to work on the c file.Qd7 looks good as well, to prepare to put pressure on the isolated d pawn. The reason I like this maybe better than Bb7 is that it gives us an extra tempo to get the king's rook in play. If you luft the queen and he plays Bh6, you can slide the rook right to d8.

That makes a lot of sense- except don't we want both rooks on the c file?

I think I like putting pressure on an isolated pawn more than doubling the rooks at this point. That might be a matter of taste, though.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I like G&G's Qd7 idea to give the rook the d8-square also.

 

[Green and Gold]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

I don't see much either. I don't think he'll trade the bishop for the knight, or play Bh6 which just loses him a tempo. I think N2c3 or N4c3 is probably in the future. If our bishop is on b7, I think we have to take on c3 to keep that file clear.

 

[timschochet]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

Except that it gets rid of the isolated pawn for white. I thought our goal was not to allow the d pawn to advance. Is there anyway to avoid it?

 

[SacramentoBob]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

Except that it gets rid of the isolated pawn for white. I thought our goal was not to allow the d pawn to advance. Is there anyway to avoid it?

Not if he wants to force the issue, but I don't see any advantage for White here.

 

[SacramentoBob]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

I don't see much either. I don't think he'll trade the bishop for the knight, or play Bh6 which just loses him a tempo. I think N2c3 or N4c3 is probably in the future. If our bishop is on b7, I think we have to take on c3 to keep that file clear.

if we take on c3, a plan of Na5-c4 and Rc8 to blockade the hanging pawns Grunfeld style makes a lot of sense.

 

[hagmania]

We moved Be7 not Bb7.

 

[SacramentoBob]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

Do we not have a bishop on D6? Qxd5 is blocked by that, no?

Possible I've just horked the board, but went back and ran though it again and got same thing.

Bishop is on e7 now.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

NVM... I horked the board

 

[timschochet]

So here are our choices:

1. Bb7

2. Qd7

I like Green and Gold's idea of Qd7 first, freeing up the rook on f8 to move to d8.

Please vote.

 

[timschochet]

14. Bb3 Bb7
15. Bxd5 (15. Bh6 Re8 16. Rac1 Rc8) Qxd5
16. N4c3 Qh5
17. d5 exd5
18. Nxd5 Bc5
19. Ng3 Qe5

This is what I've come up with so far. I don't see anything dangerous about Bb3.

I don't see much either. I don't think he'll trade the bishop for the knight, or play Bh6 which just loses him a tempo. I think N2c3 or N4c3 is probably in the future. If our bishop is on b7, I think we have to take on c3 to keep that file clear.

if we take on c3, a plan of Na5-c4 and Rc8 to blockade the hanging pawns Grunfeld style makes a lot of sense.

I don't understand- when would we take on c3?

 

[dancingbones]

So here are our choices:

1. Bb7

2. Qd7

I like Green and Gold's idea of Qd7 first, freeing up the rook on f8 to move to d8.

Please vote.

I like Bb7

 

[joffer]

sorry, still traveling and i've lost track of the board, so i won't be able to help for a while.

 

[John Bender]

I agree with G&G re: Qd7 first, if he plays bishop to H6 (and he probably won't if we play Qd7 first), we get our rook out to an open file behind the queen on D8

Also, our light square bishop might find a better home on a6 if given the chance.

 

[hagmania]

Does his Bc4 (anticipated move to our a5) give us a more advantageous position, or was his Bb3 a solid deterrent to a5?

 

[derek245583]

Qd7

 

[timschochet]

Does his Bc4 (anticipated move to our a5) give us a more advantageous position, or was his Bb3 a solid deterrent to a5?

I don't know.

 

[timschochet]

OK, let's go with Qd7.

 

[hagmania]

Does his Bc4 (anticipated move to our a5) give us a more advantageous position, or was his Bb3 a solid deterrent to a5?

I don't know.

Given time, I aim to answer this question myself, but it's the type of thought I'd put into considering the move. Seemed consensus to disregard a5 moving forward based on him wanting to counter our (eventual) Ba6.

I prefer Qd7 to Bb7, given the choices. I value flexibility, no matter the game I'm playing, and from reading the arguments, this gives us more flexibility.

 

[Green and Gold]

Qd7 is my vote, sorry work got in the way.

 

[Jayrod]

OK, let's go with Qd7.

Current board after this move

 

[Green and Gold]

Does his Bc4 (anticipated move to our a5) give us a more advantageous position, or was his Bb3 a solid deterrent to a5?

I don't know.

Given time, I aim to answer this question myself, but it's the type of thought I'd put into considering the move. Seemed consensus to disregard a5 moving forward based on him wanting to counter our (eventual) Ba6.

I prefer Qd7 to Bb7, given the choices. I value flexibility, no matter the game I'm playing, and from reading the arguments, this gives us more flexibility.

It's a good question. a5 gives us a weakness on b6, although I don't see him being able to take advantage of it right away. It also takes away a5 for the knight, whatever that's worth. It does give us space on the queen side, though. I don't think it would have been a bad move. His bishop on c4 is tough to dislodge, though, and it's a pretty good square.

 

[hagmania]

Thank you. Even fairly generic discussion like that is helpful.

 

[John Bender]

His bishops are monsters.

Were this my game only, I'd be looking at a way to grab one of them w a knight if possible or a BxB trade.

Our pieces seem to be much less active than his with no imminent threats of our own.

I think starting shortly, we need to make sure we're making as active a move as possible.

For me, the dream square for our bishop is A6. I'd love to get him on that diagonal as opposed to behind 2 Knights (one of them that seems to have no long term options)

An e5 pawn break if it can be prepared correctly is also an idea I'm just spitballing here.

 

[hagmania]

An e5 pawn break if it can be prepared correctly is also an idea I'm just spitballing here.

I'm beginning to realize I really need to learn the openings. I see a lot of this same stuff.

 

[Jayrod]

He's going to move that bishop on C here.

 

[John Bender]

An e5 pawn break if it can be prepared correctly is also an idea I'm just spitballing here.

I'm beginning to realize I really need to learn the openings. I see a lot of this same stuff.

You could just tune into my twitch channel on chess nights

 

[derek245583]

What is a twitch channel?

 

[chet]

Is there a link to see the board real time?

 

[Bobcat10]

OK, let's go with Qd7.

Current board after this move

bump

 

[hagmania]

What is a twitch channel?

You could tune into twitch.tv/coolchessdude for this.

Or you could watch twitch.tv/hagmania for something more like this.

 

[SacramentoBob]

What do I tune into for topless #####es?

 

[timschochet]

Bh6

So Rd8, right? Wasn't that the point of our last move?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Bh6

So Rd8, right? Wasn't that the point of our last move?

Yes.

 

[Jayrod]

Bh6

So Rd8, right? Wasn't that the point of our last move?

I knew it!

 

[timschochet]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

 

[timschochet]

Anyone opposed to Rd8?

 

[SacramentoBob]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

Very important for everyone to recognize that the e7-bishop is the guardian of the Nf6+ queen/king fork square. We can't move it from its current location without losing tactically.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Rd8 FTW

 

[timschochet]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

Very important for everyone to recognize that the e7-bishop is the guardian of the Nf6+ queen/king fork square. We can't move it from it's current location without losing tactically.

Youre right, of course.

 

[timschochet]

OK Rd8 Not taking anytime on this because we already agreed on it.

 

[timschochet]

That pawn on d4 is looking pretty darn vulnerable.

 

[McGarnicle]

Board

 

[McGarnicle]

Broad