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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If you played the queen to H4, do you think he'd notice that you have checkmate on your next move?
timschochet
Footballguy
I think that's a good bet.
timschochet
Footballguy
Bump. I'd like you guys to consider these ideas and tell me what you think. It seems to me we should try to either take control of the c file or at least contest White's control of it, while at the same time stop that d pawn from advancing.timschochet said:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Do it. He'll have to move one of his king side pawns, and you can always retreat the queen to its current position.
If he does something else and you find you're in a compromised position, just flip the board over in a rage and storm off. Draw.
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
This raises a question I've wondered about -- is it a disadvantage to move one of those pawns in front of the king? Forget back-rank mates for a second, assume you're only protecting from a frontal attack. A lot of times I'm not sure if I'm making a mistake pushing those pawns forward.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
Like most things in chess, you have to look at the situation. For general king safety, it's a good idea to leave them alone outside of h3 (white) or h6 (black) to protect the back rank or kick off a pinning bishop. It's usually safer to push them once the queens are off the board, but you have to really evaluate the position and decide why you want to push those pawns. For example, you may want to attack a fianchetto structure by pushing your H pawn, or prevent your opponent's mating idea (like a queen+bishop or queen+knight battery).
In the King's Indian defense as Black one of the classic plans is to lock up the center and push your king-side pawns, assuming white castles into it. Black's exposed king is a weakness, but the threats to White's king is more immediate. Black's plan is to not give White enough time to take advantage of that weakness.
So, to answer your question, it depends.
lardonastick
Footballguy
Black F'n Dot
timschochet
Footballguy
G&G, we need your help!!Like most things in chess, you have to look at the situation. For general king safety, it's a good idea to leave them alone outside of h3 (white) or h6 (black) to protect the back rank or kick off a pinning bishop. It's usually safer to push them once the queens are off the board, but you have to really evaluate the position and decide why you want to push those pawns. For example, you may want to attack a fianchetto structure by pushing your H pawn, or prevent your opponent's mating idea (like a queen+bishop or queen+knight battery).
In the King's Indian defense as Black one of the classic plans is to lock up the center and push your king-side pawns, assuming white castles into it. Black's exposed king is a weakness, but the threats to White's king is more immediate. Black's plan is to not give White enough time to take advantage of that weakness.
So, to answer your question, it depends.
timschochet
Footballguy
In this position, I think at some point we may want to play h6. It gives "air" to the king (chess players use the German word, luft) and may defend against a kingside attack. But it also weakens us there and I don't think we need to do it...yet.This guy must be a lawyer.So, to answer your question, it depends.
timschochet
Footballguy
My old chess teacher told me that sometimes it helps to look at the board in this situation by dividing it into kingside, middle, and queenside, and trying to figure out advantages and disadvantages. I'm not very good at that, but here goes:
Kingside We have a 4 to 3 pawn advantage. Our king is not well defended. His is. Both of his bishops are facing toward our king with long diagonals. He may very well attempt an attack here. How to go about it? Perhaps push the f pawn to f4 and f5.
Middle All of the pieces are confronting each other here. White's isolated pawn is an advantage to us in the endgame, an advantage to him right now- IF he can find a way to push it forward. Therefore we need to stop him- protect that night on d5. The c file is wide open. Whoever can occupy with rooks can dominate the game. If we both occupy it we can trade rooks which is good for us (getting the heavy pieces off the board can get us quicker into an endgame.)
Queenside Both sides have two pawns. Either side could advance them. I think we need to have our bishop on b7 (defending d5) and also keep his night out of the b5 square (which means a6). So a6, b5, and Bb7 look about right.
THEREFORE- my ideas are:
1. a6, b5, Bb7
2. Rc8, Rc7, other Rook c8
3. Defend against a kingside attack if necessary with h6
4. Still not sure what our queen should be doing.
Anyhow, this could be completely off, and/or the order that we do this stuff will depend on what white is doing in the meantime. But those are my general ideas. Any feedback?
Kingside We have a 4 to 3 pawn advantage. Our king is not well defended. His is. Both of his bishops are facing toward our king with long diagonals. He may very well attempt an attack here. How to go about it? Perhaps push the f pawn to f4 and f5.
Middle All of the pieces are confronting each other here. White's isolated pawn is an advantage to us in the endgame, an advantage to him right now- IF he can find a way to push it forward. Therefore we need to stop him- protect that night on d5. The c file is wide open. Whoever can occupy with rooks can dominate the game. If we both occupy it we can trade rooks which is good for us (getting the heavy pieces off the board can get us quicker into an endgame.)
Queenside Both sides have two pawns. Either side could advance them. I think we need to have our bishop on b7 (defending d5) and also keep his night out of the b5 square (which means a6). So a6, b5, and Bb7 look about right.
THEREFORE- my ideas are:
1. a6, b5, Bb7
2. Rc8, Rc7, other Rook c8
3. Defend against a kingside attack if necessary with h6
4. Still not sure what our queen should be doing.
Anyhow, this could be completely off, and/or the order that we do this stuff will depend on what white is doing in the meantime. But those are my general ideas. Any feedback?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
You've hit on where I need the most help....I can almost always get through the opening without screwing up, get my king tucked away, but then often I'm lost. if I win, usually it's because my opponent was passive or made blunders. If I can actually put together a sound checkmate sequence involving forks, sacrifices etc., afterward I'm like holy crap, how did I do that.Like most things in chess, you have to look at the situation. For general king safety, it's a good idea to leave them alone outside of h3 (white) or h6 (black) to protect the back rank or kick off a pinning bishop. It's usually safer to push them once the queens are off the board, but you have to really evaluate the position and decide why you want to push those pawns. For example, you may want to attack a fianchetto structure by pushing your H pawn, or prevent your opponent's mating idea (like a queen+bishop or queen+knight battery).In the King's Indian defense as Black one of the classic plans is to lock up the center and push your king-side pawns, assuming white castles into it. Black's exposed king is a weakness, but the threats to White's king is more immediate. Black's plan is to not give White enough time to take advantage of that weakness.
So, to answer your question, it depends.
We castled right, so it's white's turn again? My hunch is white moves the whitespace bishop to C4 or E4 in an attempt to start working on our knight. Or he might go knight to F4 to give his Queen room to work.
We've got the Queen, Queen's bishop and rook that can't do much for us right now. Right now I'm thinking we get our queen to F6 to get some power out front on King's side and put pressure on the D4 pawn.
We've got the Queen, Queen's bishop and rook that can't do much for us right now. Right now I'm thinking we get our queen to F6 to get some power out front on King's side and put pressure on the D4 pawn.
timschochet
Footballguy
Nf4 loses a piece. I think we should wait on moving the queen until we solve the bishop on c8 if we can help it. In any case I don't think f6 is the right spot for the queen; it's a target there.
timschochet
Footballguy
I still think we want a6 (to prevent Nb5) then either b6 or b5 and Bb7. Gotta get the bishop to b7.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
b6+Bb7 is pretty typical for IQP positions.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Nb5 doesn't seem like a threat to me.
joffer
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Good. But b6 instead of a6 and b5?I like our position. Time to get the white bishop active.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
I was just thinking this. Our queen's bishop is really trapped back there and we should free it soon.
Ah, good call. This is what happens when you are looking at a Mario board and forget which pieces are what.
hagmania
Footballguy
I know the movement and notation and the 1, 3, 5, 9 "points" that lots of stuff start you out on yeah.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Buy this book. Play through the examples on a board. Set up the exercises on a board and solve them Take your time. When you're done, go through it again. Commit it to memory. Make it second nature. It will take you a couple of months, but you'll be much better for it.
http://www.amazon.com/Chess-Tactics-Batsford-Book/dp/0713489340
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timschochet
Footballguy
Kaspy moves: Bc2
What is white's idea behind this move?
What is white's idea behind this move?
SacramentoBob
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joffer
Footballguy
depends on his next move. I'd expect Ne4 or Bc2. If it's Nxd5 he's freed the bishop for usGood. But b6 instead of a6 and b5?
joffer
Footballguy
Qd3 and a mating threat
timschochet
Footballguy
Well, we could go tactical with Qh4 here. Or we could ignore it for a move and continue with b6. Or we could swap knights here. Lots to think about.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I'm fine with continuing b6 here with the idea of Bb7.
After Qd3, g6 of course and we'll have to endure some dark-squared weakness around the king.
After Qd3, g6 of course and we'll have to endure some dark-squared weakness around the king.
timschochet
Footballguy
As long as you're confident that we can defend it. We knew he would be attacking the kingside...
timschochet
Footballguy
That is an option too. But since it would allow him to push the d pawn (we don't have d5 protected yet) please explain your reasoning.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
We need to figure this out. I'm in favor of continuing with b6. If Qd3, g6. Weakens our kingside, but if we can prevent the mating threat we can continue to pursue our main goals.
So b6. What say you guys?
So b6. What say you guys?
otello
Footballguy
I don't know if he would push the d pawn. After our N move, he should take with the b pawn, and not the N.After he takes, I think Qc7 is an interesting idea, threatening Bxh2+
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Aerial Assault
Footballguy
I don't like Nxc3 because all of a sudden the IQP we worked hard for isn't an "I" anymore (I don't think there's any question he recaptures with the b-pawn rather than the N on e2). So b6 is fine.
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timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Here's the key to the game I just linked- after Qd3 and we defend the kingside, we eventually play a4 and instead of Bb2, Ba3! Then BxN and we win the d pawn.
Now if he moves the queen in the meantime, or doesn't play Qd3, we can still put the bishop at a3. But if not this is a reasonable plan.
Now if he moves the queen in the meantime, or doesn't play Qd3, we can still put the bishop at a3. But if not this is a reasonable plan.
timschochet
Footballguy
OK guys, no response so we're going with b6.
We're beyond the book and any help now. That game I referenced is fine to give us ideas but we can't expect him to repeat white's moves. As of now we're on our own.
We're beyond the book and any help now. That game I referenced is fine to give us ideas but we can't expect him to repeat white's moves. As of now we're on our own.
timschochet
Footballguy
OK, as expected white plays Qd3, threatening mate at h7.
g6 seems obvious here but we could also play Qh4 or Nf6. Nf6 seems like a terrible move which would lead to a loss. Wh4 I haven't fully analyzed. I prefer g6 because it's what we planned on. Thoughts? We'll probably sleep on it and decide in the morning.
g6 seems obvious here but we could also play Qh4 or Nf6. Nf6 seems like a terrible move which would lead to a loss. Wh4 I haven't fully analyzed. I prefer g6 because it's what we planned on. Thoughts? We'll probably sleep on it and decide in the morning.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Guarding against the mate with a piece that can and will itself be attacked in sequence is a terrible idea. No need to overthink this. g6 is the clear play IMO.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
g6