FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

[derek245583]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

Very important for everyone to recognize that the e7-bishop is the guardian of the Nf6+ queen/king fork square. We can't move it from it's current location without losing tactically.

Youre right, of course.

Cant the N on d4 hold that square?

 

[SacramentoBob]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

Very important for everyone to recognize that the e7-bishop is the guardian of the Nf6+ queen/king fork square. We can't move it from it's current location without losing tactically.

Youre right, of course.

Cant the N on d4 hold that square?

Not after Bxd5

 

[Aerial Assault]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

Very important for everyone to recognize that the e7-bishop is the guardian of the Nf6+ queen/king fork square. We can't move it from its current location without losing tactically.

Need to do something about that pin IMO.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

 

[Aerial Assault]

I almost hesitate to write this but it seems like White's last 2 moves are to our advantage. After Rd8 we can play Bf8, if white wants to trade great. If he retreats we move Bg7 attacking that d4 pawn.

I think Bob already covered this, but this loses the game (quickly or slowly) after Bxd5.

Depending on what he does next I can see some strong advantages in Nf6.

 

[SacramentoBob]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Why is c3 weak after the trade? i.e. what are you seeing? This is exactly the sort of thing I don't know how to do.

 

[Aerial Assault]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Hm. I think he recaptures with the pawn there and the IQP is no longer isolated. I would rather "retreat" to f6 which seems to me to be a good move anyway.

 

[timschochet]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Why is c3 weak after the trade? i.e. what are you seeing? This is exactly the sort of thing I don't know how to do.

He has to recapture with the pawn on b2- recapturing with the knight or queen loses the d pawn. Black gets rid of his isolated pawn but has a new weakness: the pawn on c3.

 

[timschochet]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Hm. I think he recaptures with the pawn there and the IQP is no longer isolated. I would rather "retreat" to f6 which seems to me to be a good move anyway.

It might be.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Thanks Tim

 

[Aerial Assault]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Why is c3 weak after the trade? i.e. what are you seeing? This is exactly the sort of thing I don't know how to do.

He has to recapture with the pawn on b2- recapturing with the knight or queen loses the d pawn. Black gets rid of his isolated pawn but has a new weakness: the pawn on c3.

I don't think the c3 pawn is that weak after that sequence, since we are poorly developed to attack it.

 

[timschochet]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Why is c3 weak after the trade? i.e. what are you seeing? This is exactly the sort of thing I don't know how to do.

He has to recapture with the pawn on b2- recapturing with the knight or queen loses the d pawn. Black gets rid of his isolated pawn but has a new weakness: the pawn on c3.

I don't think the c3 pawn is that weak after that sequence, since we are poorly developed to attack it.

Well Bb7 Rc8 I guess

 

[SacramentoBob]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Why is c3 weak after the trade? i.e. what are you seeing? This is exactly the sort of thing I don't know how to do.

He has to recapture with the pawn on b2- recapturing with the knight or queen loses the d pawn. Black gets rid of his isolated pawn but has a new weakness: the pawn on c3.

White gets a structure very similar to the exchange Grunfeld, when play on the c-file is important for Black. Na5, Rc8 are moves you'd see there.

Nf6 is okay, but it allows him to liquidate the IQP after Nxf6 Bxf6 d5. His piece activity is also increased after this while we're still cramped/behind in development in this line.

With Nxc3, you exchange the IQP for another weakness to take aim at. The c3 pawn will be weak on the open c-file. And the hanging pawns can be a weaknesses themselves if blockaded.

I like our position better after Nxc3 17. bxc3 Bb7 18. Rac1 Na5 (Or Rac8 first).

 

[Aerial Assault]

What happens if he plays Ne2c3?

I would take and play against the newly created weakness on c3.

Why is c3 weak after the trade? i.e. what are you seeing? This is exactly the sort of thing I don't know how to do.

He has to recapture with the pawn on b2- recapturing with the knight or queen loses the d pawn. Black gets rid of his isolated pawn but has a new weakness: the pawn on c3.

White gets a structure very similar to the exchange Grunfeld, when play on the c-file is important for Black. Na5, Rc8 are moves you'd see there.

Nf6 is okay, but it allows him to liquidate the IQP after Nxf6 Bxf6 d5.

After d5 I'd go Ne5 with an eye to Bb7 after he resolves the attack on his queen, attacking d5. And I really like the resulting position a lot more than what we have now.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Knight has no safe moves after it moves to e5. Well, it has g4, but that can be covered by the queen from g3 or e2.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Knight has no safe moves after it moves to e5. Well, it has g4, but that can be covered by the queen from g3 or e2.

Well, I'd also like to get the queen off of d7, which would create a retreat for the knight.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Knight has no safe moves after it moves to e5. Well, it has g4, but that can be covered by the queen from g3 or e2.

Well, I'd also like to get the queen off of d7, which would create a retreat for the knight.

It seems like a lot of work to get the knight to an inferior square(d7) while neglecting our queenside development.

This is all assuming he plays N2c3. But Nxc3, Bb7, Rac8, everything is developed, we have a weakness to prod and we haven't forced our pieces to inferior squares.

Compare these 2 positions:

http://imgur.com/a/DAUp0

 

[Aerial Assault]

Yeah. Still not sold. I really want to get rid of one of those pins if not both. Let's see what he does.

 

[SacramentoBob]

What pin?

 

[Aerial Assault]

What pin?

Not really the right word. But his ability to play Nf6 for the game-killing fork and the DSB's presence on h6 are giving me fits.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Tim beat Deep Blue yet?

 

[grateful zed]

I had to Google what o-o was

try o-o-o

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Broad

IMO

 

[timschochet]

Kaspy moves: Rad1

Very interesting! Fighting for control of the d file, but not the c file. He's worried about losing the d pawn, or he wants to get rid of it?

We could play:

Bb7 and Rac8

or a5 planning Ba6

or Nf6

 

[SacramentoBob]

Loading up on the d-file makes sense too.

 

[timschochet]

Bb7 followed by Na4 followed by Rac8 seems like a reasonable plan.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Bb7 makes sense. No need to get fancy, just finish our development.

 

[timschochet]

....Bb7

Nac2 Na4

Bxd5 Bxd5

Nxd5 Qxd5

Nc3

No matter what we can't seem to stop him from pushing that d pawn if he's determined to do it.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Bb7 Rfe1 Rac8 and life is good.

 

[timschochet]

Bb7 makes sense. No need to get fancy, just finish our development.

What about a5 and Ba6? No good?

 

[SacramentoBob]

If nothing else, it's slow.

 

[Aerial Assault]

I strongly feel we should move Nf6 for the reasons previously stated (getting rid of the potential game-ending Q/K fork) but I can see the merit behind Bb7.

 

[timschochet]

OK let's say Bb7 and instead of Rfe1 he plays Ne2c3?

 

[timschochet]

I strongly feel we should move Nf6 for the reasons previously stated (getting rid of the potential game-ending Q/K fork) but I can see the merit behind Bb7.

Bob what do you think about Nf6?

 

[Aerial Assault]

OK let's say Bb7 and instead of Rfe1 he plays Nce2?

?? Maybe I missed a move

 

[timschochet]

OK let's say Bb7 and instead of Rfe1 he plays Nce2?

?? Maybe I missed a move

Sorry meant Ne2c3.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Bb7 is best here.

 

[Aerial Assault]

OK let's say Bb7 and instead of Rfe1 he plays Nce2?

?? Maybe I missed a move

Sorry meant Ne2c3.

Ah, got it. Well, I wouldn't necessarily want to capture at c3 in that situation, but I am relatively obsessed with maintaining his IQP, which is more important to me than clearing out the b-file. I would prefer that we do something else and then wait for him to capture us at d5 if that's his plan.

 

[timschochet]

OK let's say Bb7 and instead of Rfe1 he plays Nce2?

?? Maybe I missed a move

Sorry meant Ne2c3.

Ah, got it. Well, I wouldn't necessarily want to capture at c3 in that situation, but I am relatively obsessed with maintaining his IQP, which is more important to me than clearing out the b-file. I would prefer that we do something else and then wait for him to capture us at d5 if that's his plan.

Right, except I played that out and he captures until we recapture with our queen, then he chases it away with the other knight and advances the d pawn, solving his problem.

 

[Aerial Assault]

OK let's say Bb7 and instead of Rfe1 he plays Nce2?

?? Maybe I missed a move

Sorry meant Ne2c3.

Ah, got it. Well, I wouldn't necessarily want to capture at c3 in that situation, but I am relatively obsessed with maintaining his IQP, which is more important to me than clearing out the b-file. I would prefer that we do something else and then wait for him to capture us at d5 if that's his plan.

Right, except I played that out and he captures until we recapture with our queen, then he chases it away with the other knight and advances the d pawn, solving his problem.

What about recapturing with the e-pawn? Threatens the N on e4 too.

 

[timschochet]

That might be what we'd have to do, but that would give us both isolated pawns. There goes any advantage.

ETA it also turns our bishop on b7 into a bad bishop.

 

[Aerial Assault]

That might be what we'd have to do, but that would give us both isolated pawns. There goes any advantage.

ETA it also turns our bishop on b7 into a bad bishop.

True, so we recapture with the Q, then when he threatens her there, we move Qa5 and get him to move that f-ing DSB.

 

[timschochet]

That might be what we'd have to do, but that would give us both isolated pawns. There goes any advantage.

ETA it also turns our bishop on b7 into a bad bishop.

True, so we recapture with the Q, then when he threatens her there, we move Qa5 and get him to move that f-ing DSB.

That much I got. I dunno where we are from there but maybe we'll figure it out. So should we play Bb7?

 

[Aerial Assault]

That might be what we'd have to do, but that would give us both isolated pawns. There goes any advantage.

ETA it also turns our bishop on b7 into a bad bishop.

True, so we recapture with the Q, then when he threatens her there, we move Qa5 and get him to move that f-ing DSB.

That much I got. I dunno where we are from there but maybe we'll figure it out.So should we play Bb7?

I like Nf6 more but Pickles says Bb7 and I certainly don't hate that move, it's just my second favorite option, so do it.

 

[timschochet]

I'll wait a little longer, maybe till morning. See if any other thoughts come to mind.

 

[Green and Gold]

Bb7 makes sense to me.

 

[timschochet]

Well all right, what the hell. Bb7.

 

[Green and Gold]

That might be what we'd have to do, but that would give us both isolated pawns. There goes any advantage.

ETA it also turns our bishop on b7 into a bad bishop.

True, so we recapture with the Q, then when he threatens her there, we move Qa5 and get him to move that f-ing DSB.

That much I got. I dunno where we are from there but maybe we'll figure it out.So should we play Bb7?

I like Nf6 more but Pickles says Bb7 and I certainly don't hate that move, it's just my second favorite option, so do it.

I don't like Nf6 much. The continuation Nxf6, Bxf6, Qf3 gives white a pretty nice position. Bishop has to move (queen has to stay and protect the knight on c6), and now white can play d5.

 

[derek245583]

I am good with Bb7, if only because I understand it