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FBGs vs Kasparov- chess game- Draw agreed to (1 Viewer)

Walking Boot said:
I'm dead tired, but I think if he goes Rf8 and we go Ra2+ with an eye toward e3, he can force a draw with perpetual check by alternating Rf7 Rf8. We can't avoid it because there's no escape to row 6 with his pawn and bishop there.
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Good point. So if Rf8 Rf3. We'll only play Rb2+ if Rb8

 
As Walking Boot showed us last night, our idea of Ra2+ and e3 fails to a perpetual draw after Rxf7+. Which means that I think we need to go back to our old plan of Rf3. However I am worried he'll play Rb8. 

 
It doesn't matter. Walking Boot is correct; we HAVE to play Rc3 here to avoid perpetual checks. 

His damn bishop is so well placed. Even up 2 pawns we still may have to accept a draw here. 

Anybody see an alternative to Rc3? I don't. 

 
Well we screwed up last night. The spawn was poison after all (though I don't know what we should have done instead.) 

If we play Rb2+ and e3 right now it would force him to take the draw with perpetual checks. That might be better than Rc3 and allowing Ra8 or Rb8 which could lose us the game.

i don't see an out here. Thoughts? 

 
rc3 is fine.  What does he do next?

If rb8..a3..rb7+...kc8...ra7...rd3 and we swap more pawns.

If ra8...rd3...rxa2+...ke8...ra8+...bd8  and then we can win another pawn?

 
Wilk said:
rc3 is fine.  What does he do next?

If rb8..a3..rb7+...kc8...ra7...rd3 and we swap more pawns.

If ra8...rd3...rxa2+...ke8...ra8+...bd8  and then we can win another pawn?
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You're making me feel better Wilk. Your solution to Rb8 is fine, but I still see problems with Ra8. 

Rf3 Ra8 Rd3 Rf8 then what? If we head back to Rf3 it's a draw. If Rxd5 Rxf7+ and Rxa7. Aren't we worse off? 

 
This looks very tricky to win.  His bishop, pawn and rook are very active against the black king.

 
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McGarnicle said:
Great job though. I didn't think we had a snowball's chance in hell.
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It ain't me. I'm in way over my head, and if you go back through the last several pages I'm consistently suggesting the wrong move, only to be shown by Wilk and others what the proper course is. 

And now we're in a rook, bishop and pawn endgame. And I am TERRIBLE at this stuff. 

 
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Just remember guys, in case we blow this and lose- we could have had a draw last move. If we had played Rb2+ Kd1 e3, white would have been forced to play Rxf2+ and draw us with perpetual checks. 

We have chosen to play for the win. 

 
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timschochet said:
It ain't me. I'm in way over my head, and if you go back through the last several pages I'm consistently suggesting the wrong move, only to be shown by Wilk and others what the proper course is. 

And now we're in a rook, bishop and pawn endgame. And I am TERRIBLE at this stuff. 
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I'm thoroughly confused by these two rook moves by us:

30. Kf2 Ra8

31. Na6 Rad8

Otherwise, pretty amazing performance. 

 
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The first rook m

McGarnicle said:
I'm thoroughly confused by these two rook moves by us:

30. Kf2 Ra8

31. Na6 Rad8

Otherwise, pretty amazing performance. 
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The first rook move was to threaten a5. When he prevented that with Na6 Rad8 put extra pressure on the d pawn. That move actually allowed us to win a pawn later on. I still think Na6 was an error on his part. 

When we are finished I hope to go over the entire game, move by move, with Kaspy. 

 
timschochet said:
You're making me feel better Wilk. Your solution to Rb8 is fine, but I still see problems with Ra8. 

Rf3 Ra8 Rd3 Rf8 then what? If we head back to Rf3 it's a draw. If Rxd5 Rxf7+ and Rxa7. Aren't we worse off? 
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...rf3

Ra8...rd3

Rf8...rxd5

Rxf7+...ke6

Rxa7...rd2+

That looks ok, right?

 
This thread has the added bonus of my wife now thinking I'm a complete tool.

"Hey, baby. Let's play chess.  But not real chess.  I want to start playing with the pieces in this particular, unusual formation.  And I get to make your first move.  And we're going to play it multiple times."  :-)

Fun for me.  Not so fun for her.  The good news is most everytime we play from here now, unless I make a really dumb move, it's a draw or a black win.

 
Wilk said:
...rf3

Ra8...rd3

Rf8...rxd5

Rxf7+...ke6

Rxa7...rd2+

That looks ok, right?
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Maybe. But at that point we're down to 2 pawns and Rb7 picks up the b pawn. 

If he can capture the b pawn, he can sacrifice his bishop for the e pawn if we move it to e3. That gives us a rook and bishop against rook and pawn. Probably a draw. 

 
Actually scratch that. He doesn't have time because of Bh4. And if e3 Bxe3 Bxe3  right away the rook can come back and guard the b pawn. So we're okay. 

 
So I've spent some time analyzing this position..and it's very difficult. If white plays this perfectly it seems like he can always get a draw unless we also play perfectly. The correct move for white, IMO, is Ra8 and after Rd6 back to Rf8. 

Ra8 Rd6 Rf8 Rxd5 Rxf7+ Ke6 Rxa7 Rd2+ Ke1 e3 Ra7 (to defend against Bh4+) 

Now black cannot assist with his king because Kf5 Rh5 Kg4 Rxh5 Kxh5 Bxe3+ 

The correct move for black here therefore is Ra2. Ra2 Rh3 

Now white has to avoid Ke5 because of Rh5. And if Ra3 Ke2 and since we can't move our King to e5 this would result in a draw- even Rb3 and Rxb5 next leaves us with one pawn which we can never get home. So the correct move for black here is...e2.

Now if Rh2 then Ra1+. And we also threaten Bd2+ Kxe2 Bxb4+. So white must play Kf2.That finally allows our king to get into play with Kf5, and Kg6. 

Rather long one but I think this is the way to win. 

 
So let's continue, from the start: 

Ra8 Rd3 Rf8 Rxd5 Rxf7+ Ke6 Rxa2 Rd2+ Ke1 (or Kf1) Ra2 Ra2 (or Rb2, not sure which is better or if it matters.) Rh3 e2 Kf2 Kf5

Now black threatens Kg4. So Be3 Bxe3+ Rxe3 Kf4 Rxe2 Rxe2+ Kxe2 Ke4. And I think black wins. We grab the b pawn, and should maintain opposition and take it home. 

 
Now let's look at Rxa7. 

Ra8 Rd3 Rxa7+ Ke8.and white will play either e6 or Ra8+

1. e6 Rd2+ Kd1 e3 e7+Rxe7 Rxe7 Kxe7

2. Ra8+ Bd8 e6 (Bb6 Rxd5) f5 And not sure what white can do here. 

Anyhow, that's all I got. 

 
Good stuff.

Looks excellent. Looks like one mistake from either side here will be fatal. With each of us having an exposed king with multiple threats, there's no room for error. I feel pretty good that the lines and options are narrow enough here that we can sort them out properly just like you do here. There just aren't too many available moves to make. Now we just need drunk Kaspy to pause the vacation and poke his head in.

 
Wilk said:
Good stuff.

Looks excellent. Looks like one mistake from either side here will be fatal. With each of us having an exposed king with multiple threats, there's no room for error. I feel pretty good that the lines and options are narrow enough here that we can sort them out properly just like you do here. There just aren't too many available moves to make. Now we just need drunk Kaspy to pause the vacation and poke his head in.
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He will. 

This has been an incredible experience for me. I figured it would be fun to have all of us try and play a guy as good as Kaspy, but not this much fun. Part of it is that the game is perfect for instruction: a classic opening, an interesting sharp middle game with both tactical and positional opportunities, and now a fascinating endgame with lots of variations. Everybody who has followed along in this thread is going to be a better player afterwards. I'm honestly considering putting this game in a book and self publishing it. Maybe that's a silly idea, but I know that if something like this was presented to me I would be interested in reading it. 

 
Kaspy shows up! And as expected he plays Ra8. 

There is no need to look at this further; we've been anticipating this for hours. Our response is Rd3. 

 
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