Federal Agents Converge On Vick Property (1 Viewer)

[roadkill1292]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

 

[2stix]

Nobody was named in todays complaint.

It was a filing of evidence.

No one is off the hook....settle down.

A Dogfighting operation WAS on the property, Those who denied this and said there was never any evidence...

and Goodell told Vick he would be responsible for what happened on his property so I think he is far from off the hook.

and Len Pasquarelli as a source is about as good as Bush's source for WMD's in Iraq.

You obviously didn't read the whole thread, this is a piece from a long ESPN article that I posted a couple of hours ago:Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said. The law enforcement authorities have privately told league and team officials that at least three people are expected to be indicted but the identities of those individuals were unknown.

You obviously didn't read the whole sentence,no one was named today in the filing of evidence.No one is ever named during the filing of evidence.

I'm going to help you out and I'll break it down for you, "Three people are going to be indicted, Michael Vick is not one of these people". I hope that is clear enough.

I'm going to help you out and I'll break it down for you- you are a tool.NOBODY was named on Fridays Filing of evidence. That doesn't mean nobody was involved, but nobody was named...yet.

They are calling the soon to be indicted "members of badnewz kennels".

NOBODY is off the hook.

I hope that is clear enough.

Read for yourself.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/vick/show_case_doc(2).pdf

 

[2stix]

Actual documents filed:

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/vick/show_case_doc(2).pdf

What's all the hype about again? More 'unnamed sources'?

Who were those Vick owners who kept saying that the sources were bunk and they had no evidence at all.

 

[Truman]

Actual documents filed:

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/vick/show_case_doc(2).pdf

What's all the hype about again? More 'unnamed sources'?

Who were those Vick owners who kept saying that the sources were bunk and they had no evidence at all.

There is still no evidence, and yesterday's article is just as legit as every other I've seen on this case. (In other words, not legit at all). All we've learned now is that 'BadNewz Kennelz' was involved in dogfighting at the property. There is no indication of who is a member of 'Badnewz Kennelz' or what Vick's level of involvement is. No one is named and it just seems every minor development in this case gets overanalyzed.

 

[Truman]

Vick indictment seen unlikely in feds' dogfight probe

Looks like this is over and done with and 3 other people are getting charged but not Mike Vick.

Nice info Keith. Good to hear Vick wasn't involved in the dogfighting, i had a feeling a guy with his character wouldn't slum to that level.You mind if i add you as a friend?

Yes, it's very refreshing to see that a man who flips off fans and knowingly gives women herpes has the good character to shy away from dog fights.I agree though, good info. Although remember, "unlikely to be indicted" is still a half step away from totally cleared.

Please stop with the assumptions. It was never proven Vick KNOWINGLY gave that woman herpes.He did get frustrated and flipped off fans who were being unruly. He was wrong in that instance, but it was hardly a big deal and I'm sure most people have flipped someone the bird at one time or another.

Either way the news of Vick being cleared of heinous charges like dog fighting should make everyone happy. Whether you like him or hate him i think everyone can agree they are happy he wasn't part of a crime like that.

He knew he had it when he had unprotected sex with her.

"I've got something to tell you. I've got it," Vick admitted to her, according to Elliott's State Court complaint, which alleges that Vick then told her that "he had not known how to tell her about his condition, and that it was not something that he liked to talk about."

Elliott's complaint also contends that Vick "apologized profusely" for not telling her he was infected with the STD.

That is what she said, doesn't necessarily mean that is what he told her.People with the herp aren't always contagious, so he might have thought he wasn't in spreading mode when in the heat of the moment. Regardless if he was 100% sure he had the herp it was negligent on his part. But he never admitted to knowingly giving her it.

Either way this thread is about a crime he didn't commit, so let's stay on that topic.

Cheers.

How is it that when a lawsuit is settled out of court that everything alleged by the complainant becomes gospel anyway? I fail to understand the logic here.

 

[Loomba]

It looks like the Feds are going about their investigation very, very carefully. Charges will be laid, guaranteed. Against whom is the question. If Vick has any involvement in this type of activity, you can bet those that do in fact get charged start thinking about a plea bargain and rat him out.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Hard to imagine that an outfit well known enough to have its own brand name, operating out of the house that Michael Vick owned, requiring, we are told, huge outlays of cash (where the person living in the house has no obvious source of substantial income) isn't going to be tied to Vick in the end.

And, IMO, the Feds are going about this as if they're expecting to face the best legal talent $$ can buy. And if Vick is involved, the NFL will be the least of his worries not that it's a federal case.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Nobody was named in todays complaint.

It was a filing of evidence.

No one is off the hook....settle down.

A Dogfighting operation WAS on the property, Those who denied this and said there was never any evidence...

and Goodell told Vick he would be responsible for what happened on his property so I think he is far from off the hook.

and Len Pasquarelli as a source is about as good as Bush's source for WMD's in Iraq.

You obviously didn't read the whole thread, this is a piece from a long ESPN article that I posted a couple of hours ago:Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said. The law enforcement authorities have privately told league and team officials that at least three people are expected to be indicted but the identities of those individuals were unknown.

You obviously didn't read the whole sentence,no one was named today in the filing of evidence.No one is ever named during the filing of evidence.

I'm going to help you out and I'll break it down for you, "Three people are going to be indicted, Michael Vick is not one of these people". I hope that is clear enough.

Yeah, 3 people are INITIALLY going to be indicted according to ESPN. Nobody has been indicted yet and the FBI hasn't said who will and won't be indicted at this point. And my guess is that Mortenson is full of it and his "source" is a total joke. The Feds have been very tight lipped about this entire thing and I SERIOUSLY doubt that they've said that they're only going to indict a certain number of people and that Vick is off the hook. Now, ESPN has been WAY behind on this story and really shilling for Vick much of the way. It's no secret that Pasquarelli is friends with Vick's agent and surprise surprise, Lenny has been very dismissive of this whole ordeal. If it wasn't for FOXSPORTS and PFT, this story would have died a long time ago. ESPN has been trying to kill this story since it came out. The ONLY thing they've run negative so far was an Outside The Lines episode where they essentially rehashed a bunch of stuff that everyone else had already broken.My guess is that the FBI is going to offer deals to the initial folks indicted to testify against the bigger fish, AKA Michael Vick. The fact that the FBI has plenty of evidence that dog fighting was going on is very bad for Vick. The fact that his lawyer was there during the last search is very bad for Vick. Why was HIS personal lawyer there if he had never even been there?

Contrary to the way ESPN is spinning this thing, I think things look even worse for Vick than they did.

My bet right now is that the FBI isn't just going after dogfighting charges here either. Where there's dogfighting, there is gambling. My guess is that they're now working on the money trail.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Hard to imagine that an outfit well known enough to have its own brand name, operating out of the house that Michael Vick owned, requiring, we are told, huge outlays of cash (where the person living in the house has no obvious source of substantial income) isn't going to be tied to Vick in the end.And, IMO, the Feds are going about this as if they're expecting to face the best legal talent $ can buy. And if Vick is involved, the NFL will be the least of his worries not that it's a federal case.

This entire post makes little to no logical sense.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Nobody was named in todays complaint.

It was a filing of evidence.

No one is off the hook....settle down.

A Dogfighting operation WAS on the property, Those who denied this and said there was never any evidence...

and Goodell told Vick he would be responsible for what happened on his property so I think he is far from off the hook.

and Len Pasquarelli as a source is about as good as Bush's source for WMD's in Iraq.

You obviously didn't read the whole thread, this is a piece from a long ESPN article that I posted a couple of hours ago:Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said. The law enforcement authorities have privately told league and team officials that at least three people are expected to be indicted but the identities of those individuals were unknown.

You obviously didn't read the whole sentence,no one was named today in the filing of evidence.No one is ever named during the filing of evidence.

I'm going to help you out and I'll break it down for you, "Three people are going to be indicted, Michael Vick is not one of these people". I hope that is clear enough.

Yeah, 3 people are INITIALLY going to be indicted according to ESPN. Nobody has been indicted yet and the FBI hasn't said who will and won't be indicted at this point. And my guess is that Mortenson is full of it and his "source" is a total joke. The Feds have been very tight lipped about this entire thing and I SERIOUSLY doubt that they've said that they're only going to indict a certain number of people and that Vick is off the hook. Now, ESPN has been WAY behind on this story and really shilling for Vick much of the way. It's no secret that Pasquarelli is friends with Vick's agent and surprise surprise, Lenny has been very dismissive of this whole ordeal. If it wasn't for FOXSPORTS and PFT, this story would have died a long time ago. ESPN has been trying to kill this story since it came out. The ONLY thing they've run negative so far was an Outside The Lines episode where they essentially rehashed a bunch of stuff that everyone else had already broken.My guess is that the FBI is going to offer deals to the initial folks indicted to testify against the bigger fish, AKA Michael Vick. The fact that the FBI has plenty of evidence that dog fighting was going on is very bad for Vick. The fact that his lawyer was there during the last search is very bad for Vick. Why was HIS personal lawyer there if he had never even been there?

Contrary to the way ESPN is spinning this thing, I think things look even worse for Vick than they did.

My bet right now is that the FBI isn't just going after dogfighting charges here either. Where there's dogfighting, there is gambling. My guess is that they're now working on the money trail.

Tearing a superstar (Mike Vick) down is what sells papers or gets internet hits on webpages. Last time I checked ESPN was a business. For ESPN to make it sound like Vick is off the hook is actually bad for business. There have been a whole bunch of false/unproven accusations towards Vick in this whole DogGate LifeTime drama series going on and I've seen ESPNs name on some of this BS. If you really think the #1 sports media outlet isn't wishing for a fall from grace I think you give the media too much credit. FFS, they wanted to burn Michael Jordan at the stake for his own gambling, if Tiger Woods ever farts and they get it on tape watch out he will be publicly crucified.

 

[Idiot_2]

Hard to imagine that an outfit well known enough to have its own brand name, operating out of the house that Michael Vick owned, requiring, we are told, huge outlays of cash (where the person living in the house has no obvious source of substantial income) isn't going to be tied to Vick in the end.And, IMO, the Feds are going about this as if they're expecting to face the best legal talent $ can buy. And if Vick is involved, the NFL will be the least of his worries not that it's a federal case.

This entire post makes little to no logical sense.

So...in a standard redraft with standard scoring when would you pull the trigger on drafting Vick if the draft occurred tomorrow at high noon?

 

[chris1969]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if "BAD NEWZ KENNELS" itself is named in the indictment, and Vick is even a partial owner, it doesn't matter whether or not he had knowledge.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This entire post makes little to no logical sense.

If I'd intended for you to understand it, I'd have used shorter words.

 

[Truman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if "BAD NEWZ KENNELS" itself is named in the indictment, and Vick is even a partial owner, it doesn't matter whether or not he had knowledge.

How could he be a partial owner of something he had no knowledge of?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Tearing a superstar (Mike Vick) down is what sells papers or gets internet hits on webpages. Last time I checked ESPN was a business. For ESPN to make it sound like Vick is off the hook is actually bad for business. There have been a whole bunch of false/unproven accusations towards Vick in this whole DogGate LifeTime drama series going on and I've seen ESPNs name on some of this BS. If you really think the #1 sports media outlet isn't wishing for a fall from grace I think you give the media too much credit. FFS, they wanted to burn Michael Jordan at the stake for his own gambling, if Tiger Woods ever farts and they get it on tape watch out he will be publicly crucified.

ESPN has a HUGE stake in the success of the NFL. If the popularity of the NFL declines, then ESPN's investment in MNF would take a huge hit. The show Playmakers was a hit for them and yet they got rid of it because the NFL didn't like it. And their lead NFL writer, Len Pasquarelli, has shown over and over again that he's willing to shill for the agents that he is buddies with. Remember when Todd Pinkston was cut and Pasquarelli wrote an entire article about how great of a WR Pinkston was and how he had so much to offer and would definitely be starting somewhere? Last I checked he's completely out of the NFL. Gee, Len couldn't have written that article because he is good friends with Pinkston's agent, now could he? Pretty much any serious sports fan has the same low opinion of ESPN today. They've become hacks willing to shill for whatever sport they have a stake in. Did they cover the AFL before they had a stake in it? No, they didn't. Notice how their NASCAR coverage shot through the roof when they got the rights to some of the races? Or how about when they stopped showing NHL games and their Sportscenter hockey coverage disappeared?There's a reason that ESPN is the only news source out there that has consistently spun things in Vick's favor and I seriously doubt it's because everyone else is just throwing him under the bus. You'll also notice that the ONE ESPN story that was critical of Vick was the ONE story that Len Pasquarelli's name wasn't attached to.

 

[Truman]

There's a reason that ESPN is the only news source out there that has consistently spun things in Vick's favor and I seriously doubt it's because everyone else is just throwing him under the bus. You'll also notice that the ONE ESPN story that was critical of Vick was the ONE story that Len Pasquarelli's name wasn't attached to.

No. ESPN has consistently sensationalized this story, don't pretend they've 'spun' it in Vick's favor. They are the same network that led Sportscenter with an unidentifiable 'source' stating that Vick was a heavyweight in dogfighting circles, betting thousands in college.Then there's this:

Someone should kidnap Michael Vick, tape a steak to his chest and place him in a room full of pit bulls. That would give him a sense of what dogfighting is really about.

Maybe it would jog Vick's memory, since he wants us to believe he's the most oblivious athlete on Earth. Based on some of his decisions, I suppose that's not a total stretch.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?...mp;sportCat=nfl

SURRY, Va. -- Informants have come forward saying they can link Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick to dog fighting, the prosecutor in the case said Thursday, and he has turned their accounts and contact information over to investigators.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2887892

Two law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation have told ESPN.com they believe there is sufficient evidence to indict Michael Vick in connection with a suspected dog fighting ring that was run on property the Falcons quarterback owned in Virginia.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

Vick says he knew nothing about any criminal activity on his property and that he was unaware anyone might have been staging dogfights there. If he knew nothing, what can happen to him?

If it is proved that the fighting took place, it will be difficult for Vick to persuade anyone that he didn't know about it. Federal agents are sifting through evidence gathered on Vick's acreage, going through his phone records call by call, and analyzing his financial accounts. If, for example, they can connect a flurry of calls to a night of dogfighting, or if they find payment for dog food or other canine expenses charged to Vick, he could face a serious legal problem. Even if he can somehow persuade the authorities that he knew nothing about the fighting of dogs on his compound, he might face liability under the tough, new federal law

Is this something Vick should worry about?

Definitely. The local police and the county prosecutor were taking their time in their investigation of Vick and the 66 dogs seized on his property. Poindexter, the Commonwealth's Attorney, refused to execute a search warrant on Vick's property, and that's a rare event in the world of law enforcement. In fact, he actually let the warrant expire, creating the impression that things might be worked out in a friendly settlement with the local authorities. But the day after the county search warrant expired, the USDA agents were on the scene armed with their own search warrant. So instead of reluctant local cops, Vick appears now to be up against the might of the federal government.

What can the federal government do to Vick?

The USDA and other federal agencies will now be sifting through all aspects of his life. The dogfighting investigation easily could grow into examinations of his income, taxes and other holdings. If they find sufficient evidence, the federal agencies will submit it to the U.S. Department of Justice and then, possibly, to a grand jury for indictment.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2905920The real questions should be over how Trey Wingo can compare Vick's non-existent criminal history to that of multiple felon Pacman Jones and remain employed.

 

[fatness]

It looks like the Feds are going about their investigation very, very carefully. Charges will be laid, guaranteed. Against whom is the question. If Vick has any involvement in this type of activity, you can bet those that do in fact get charged start thinking about a plea bargain and rat him out.

And if Vick does not have any involvement in this type of activity, you can bet those that do in fact get charged start thinking about a plea bargain and rat him out.

 

[suchislife]

I'm not a Vick owner and I don't have any drafts in the very near future, so I'm only following this story for information. I have no strong feeling for Vick one way or the other. I only hope whoever is involved with this operation (and anyone who had knowledge but allowed it to happen) is prosecuted to the fullest.

The one fact that continues to stick in my mind is how quickly he sold the property at the first sign of trouble. Have there been anymore details regarding the sale of the house? IMO, a person with nothing to hide doesn't try to dump and run as Vick appears to have done. Even if he is completely innocent but tried to cover for his friends/relatives, he's still garbage in my mind.

 

[az_prof]

This criminal activity was going on for years and was very visible--not easy to hide 50 dogs that are chained so that they can't get to each other but come close (training them to be mean). Are we to believe that he never visited the property in four years? He claims to be a "dog breeder." Are we to believe that he couldn't tell the difference between a legitimate dog breeding operation and a dog-fighting operation? Where did the poor cousin get the money to run this operation? Are we to believe nice Mike gave him an open check book without knowing what he was doing at all?

He may not get indicted initially; he may never be (doubtful); he may get off if he is. But where there is smoke, there is fire. Also, if there are indictments, you can expect the the little dogs to turn on the big dog to cut a plea and save their necks.

 

[GroveDiesel]

There's a reason that ESPN is the only news source out there that has consistently spun things in Vick's favor and I seriously doubt it's because everyone else is just throwing him under the bus. You'll also notice that the ONE ESPN story that was critical of Vick was the ONE story that Len Pasquarelli's name wasn't attached to.

No. ESPN has consistently sensationalized this story, don't pretend they've 'spun' it in Vick's favor. They are the same network that led Sportscenter with an unidentifiable 'source' stating that Vick was a heavyweight in dogfighting circles, betting thousands in college.Then there's this:

Someone should kidnap Michael Vick, tape a steak to his chest and place him in a room full of pit bulls. That would give him a sense of what dogfighting is really about.

Maybe it would jog Vick's memory, since he wants us to believe he's the most oblivious athlete on Earth. Based on some of his decisions, I suppose that's not a total stretch.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?...mp;sportCat=nfl

SURRY, Va. -- Informants have come forward saying they can link Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick to dog fighting, the prosecutor in the case said Thursday, and he has turned their accounts and contact information over to investigators.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=2887892

Two law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation have told ESPN.com they believe there is sufficient evidence to indict Michael Vick in connection with a suspected dog fighting ring that was run on property the Falcons quarterback owned in Virginia.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

Vick says he knew nothing about any criminal activity on his property and that he was unaware anyone might have been staging dogfights there. If he knew nothing, what can happen to him?

If it is proved that the fighting took place, it will be difficult for Vick to persuade anyone that he didn't know about it. Federal agents are sifting through evidence gathered on Vick's acreage, going through his phone records call by call, and analyzing his financial accounts. If, for example, they can connect a flurry of calls to a night of dogfighting, or if they find payment for dog food or other canine expenses charged to Vick, he could face a serious legal problem. Even if he can somehow persuade the authorities that he knew nothing about the fighting of dogs on his compound, he might face liability under the tough, new federal law

Is this something Vick should worry about?

Definitely. The local police and the county prosecutor were taking their time in their investigation of Vick and the 66 dogs seized on his property. Poindexter, the Commonwealth's Attorney, refused to execute a search warrant on Vick's property, and that's a rare event in the world of law enforcement. In fact, he actually let the warrant expire, creating the impression that things might be worked out in a friendly settlement with the local authorities. But the day after the county search warrant expired, the USDA agents were on the scene armed with their own search warrant. So instead of reluctant local cops, Vick appears now to be up against the might of the federal government.

What can the federal government do to Vick?

The USDA and other federal agencies will now be sifting through all aspects of his life. The dogfighting investigation easily could grow into examinations of his income, taxes and other holdings. If they find sufficient evidence, the federal agencies will submit it to the U.S. Department of Justice and then, possibly, to a grand jury for indictment.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2905920The real questions should be over how Trey Wingo can compare Vick's non-existent criminal history to that of multiple felon Pacman Jones and remain employed.

You're right, I definitely made way too broad of statements. What I should have been saying was that Len Pasquarelli has consistently spun things in Vick's favor and he's just about been the only one out there. It seems like whenever there is something that in any way sheds this thing in a positive light for Vick, it either has Pasquarelli's name attached to it or Poindexter's name.

 

[Devilsden2001]

Hard to imagine that an outfit well known enough to have its own brand name, operating out of the house that Michael Vick owned, requiring, we are told, huge outlays of cash (where the person living in the house has no obvious source of substantial income) isn't going to be tied to Vick in the end.And, IMO, the Feds are going about this as if they're expecting to face the best legal talent $ can buy. And if Vick is involved, the NFL will be the least of his worries not that it's a federal case.

This entire post makes little to no logical sense.

So...in a standard redraft with standard scoring when would you pull the trigger on drafting Vick if the draft occurred tomorrow at high noon?

The day after he!! froze over. He is a scum bag that is involved in a crime that is just below child molestation.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Hard to imagine that an outfit well known enough to have its own brand name, operating out of the house that Michael Vick owned, requiring, we are told, huge outlays of cash (where the person living in the house has no obvious source of substantial income) isn't going to be tied to Vick in the end.And, IMO, the Feds are going about this as if they're expecting to face the best legal talent $ can buy. And if Vick is involved, the NFL will be the least of his worries not that it's a federal case.

This entire post makes little to no logical sense.

So...in a standard redraft with standard scoring when would you pull the trigger on drafting Vick if the draft occurred tomorrow at high noon?

The day after he!! froze over. He is a scum bag that is involved in a crime that is just below child molestation.

So wait..... dog fighting is worse than child molestation?

 

[cstu]

This should be another episode of "When Keepin' It Real Goes Wrong".

 

[chris1969]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if "BAD NEWZ KENNELS" itself is named in the indictment, and Vick is even a partial owner, it doesn't matter whether or not he had knowledge.

How could he be a partial owner of something he had no knowledge of?

He was full owner of his property and he had no knowledge. If there is any piece of paper that says k-9 kennels = bad newz kennels, I think he screwed.

 

[Loomba]

After watching Mort on NFL Sunday Countdown the last several years get a lot of football specific stuff wrong, I put zero weight in his sources on what is a criminal justice matter.

 

[3C's]

After watching Mort on NFL Sunday Countdown the last several years get a lot of football specific stuff wrong, I put zero weight in his sources on what is a criminal justice matter.

and :bump:

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't think you're following along...

(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.



GAME OVER, VICK CLEARED

As many have been saying all along, even if it was found to be 100% fact that dog fighting occurred on that property it doesn't make Vick guilty if he wasn't involved or knowledgeable about it..

The Feds aren't even naming him in court papers, he's not even on their radar.

Finally Vick can move on from this witch hunt and focus on winning the MVP this season. I feel many owe the man an apology, but most people can't admit when they are wrong, so i won't be holding my breath.

Maybe an official apologize to Mike Vick thread could be stickied up top so people can man up and let everyone know they are sorry for jumping to conclusions.

DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN!!!

I tell ya, you Vick supporters sure were right on!!

 

[mad sweeney]

Paging Keith Lewis and IluvBeer, Keith Lewis and IluvBeer please pick up a white courtesy phone. You have been

 

[suchislife]

Paging Keith Lewis and IluvBeer, Keith Lewis and IluvBeer please pick up a white courtesy phone. You have been

Some people definitely have some manning up to do.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What do I win?

 

[Chop_Block]

DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN!!!I tell ya, you Vick supporters sure were right on!!

That's the funniest reference I have ever seen in these here forums.I might be old.

 

[Two Deep]

I don't think you're following along...

(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.



GAME OVER, VICK CLEARED

As many have been saying all along, even if it was found to be 100% fact that dog fighting occurred on that property it doesn't make Vick guilty if he wasn't involved or knowledgeable about it

The Feds aren't even naming him in court papers, he's not even on their radar.

Finally Vick can move on from this witch hunt and focus on winning the MVP this season. I feel many owe the man an apology, but most people can't admit when they are wrong, so i won't be holding my breath.

Maybe an official apologize to Mike Vick thread could be stickied up top so people can man up and let everyone know they are sorry for jumping to conclusions.

Link?

(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.UPDATE, MR VICK IS INNOCENT ON ALL CHARGES, VICK HATERS LOSE ONCE AGAIN. Better luck next time, maybe he'll get caught jaywalking next week and a 14 page thread where people can vent their hate for him can start once again.

To the above poster who said that no one is on their radar at this point....court documents were filed, i may be crazy but i assume that there were names on those documents, and none of those names were MVP Vick.

LOCK THIS THREAD MODS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE ANYMORE. All this has been is a witch hunt with absolutely no basis in reality.

God bless you Mike Vick, please don't think everyone is out to get you.

Boy do you look silly now. I hope a lesson was learned (unadulturated man love is bad). By the way when do you start your 1 year self imposed hiatus. See you soon ILUVVICK99.

 

[Loomba]

After watching Mort on NFL Sunday Countdown the last several years get a lot of football specific stuff wrong, I put zero weight in his sources on what is a criminal justice matter.

and :bump:

I feel like typing that Pasquarelli and Mort should be fired. But I suspect they may have been offering up the company line for ESPN. I would quit if I were either of them. They look very very stupid. Almost as stupid as a few posters here that will remain nameless (at least in this post...).

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I don't think you're following along...

(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.



GAME OVER, VICK CLEARED

As many have been saying all along, even if it was found to be 100% fact that dog fighting occurred on that property it doesn't make Vick guilty if he wasn't involved or knowledgeable about it

The Feds aren't even naming him in court papers, he's not even on their radar.

Finally Vick can move on from this witch hunt and focus on winning the MVP this season. I feel many owe the man an apology, but most people can't admit when they are wrong, so i won't be holding my breath.

Maybe an official apologize to Mike Vick thread could be stickied up top so people can man up and let everyone know they are sorry for jumping to conclusions.

Link?

(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.UPDATE, MR VICK IS INNOCENT ON ALL CHARGES, VICK HATERS LOSE ONCE AGAIN. Better luck next time, maybe he'll get caught jaywalking next week and a 14 page thread where people can vent their hate for him can start once again.

To the above poster who said that no one is on their radar at this point....court documents were filed, i may be crazy but i assume that there were names on those documents, and none of those names were MVP Vick.

LOCK THIS THREAD MODS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE ANYMORE. All this has been is a witch hunt with absolutely no basis in reality.

God bless you Mike Vick, please don't think everyone is out to get you.

Boy do you look silly now.

And i can guarantee it won't be the last time.

 

[cobalt_27]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

Answer: Yes.

 

[cobalt_27]

And another

Says that Vick's house was ""main staging area for housing and training the pit bills involved" Says that Vick's name was not named, but it also doesn't say if anyone's name was mentioned. And I don't think these are charges, just findings. But the stakes just got a lot higher for Vick, officially, if he gets his name tacked to it. Takes a lot of money to finance an operation like this, and I doubt a cousin getting free rent has the moolah to provide it. And their finsdings show participation across state lines do it's definitely a federal case. Not looking good for Vick, even just having his name linked to the property. My guess is bye bye Mr Valtrex.

I don't think you're following along...(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.



GAME OVER, VICK CLEARED

Atta boy, Keith.

 

[3C's]

Surry Grand Jury reconvenes soon. Indictments are coming shortly.*opinion/speculation.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Vick not cleared.

 

[sholditch]

I don't think you're following along...

(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.



GAME OVER, VICK CLEARED

As many have been saying all along, even if it was found to be 100% fact that dog fighting occurred on that property it doesn't make Vick guilty if he wasn't involved or knowledgeable about it..

The Feds aren't even naming him in court papers, he's not even on their radar.

Finally Vick can move on from this witch hunt and focus on winning the MVP this season. I feel many owe the man an apology, but most people can't admit when they are wrong, so i won't be holding my breath.

Maybe an official apologize to Mike Vick thread could be stickied up top so people can man up and let everyone know they are sorry for jumping to conclusions.

DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN!!!

I tell ya, you Vick supporters sure were right on!!

That is great. Where are all these people admitting they're wrong? Man, if you know nothing about police work or the legal system, its ok the not post in a thread once in a while.

 

[3C's]

One interesting thing about the indictments is that one of the guys we saw quite a bit of, Davon Boddie, wasn't indicted. Wonder if he's an informant.

 

[Mark Wimer]

More reasons why Vick isn't cleared.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

Boy, I don't know. Great question.

 

[chris1969]

Dewey beats Truman is funny on so many levels!

 

[BassNBrew]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

Yup.

 

[redman]

And another

Says that Vick's house was ""main staging area for housing and training the pit bills involved" Says that Vick's name was not named, but it also doesn't say if anyone's name was mentioned. And I don't think these are charges, just findings. But the stakes just got a lot higher for Vick, officially, if he gets his name tacked to it. Takes a lot of money to finance an operation like this, and I doubt a cousin getting free rent has the moolah to provide it. And their finsdings show participation across state lines do it's definitely a federal case. Not looking good for Vick, even just having his name linked to the property. My guess is bye bye Mr Valtrex.

I don't think you're following along...(KFFL) Updating an ongoing story, The Associated Press reports Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick was not named in court documents filed by federal authorities detailing an illegal dog fighting ring at Vick's property in Virginia. The documents state that the property had held dog fights sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" and brought participants from several states. People involved in the ring also transported, delivered and received dogs for fighting, according to the documents.



GAME OVER, VICK CLEARED

Don't get so excited, these weren't charges, just details of the investigation. No one has been charged yet. If they were ready to file charges they wouldn't be on the grounds executing another search today. Try to keep up and read the whole article instead of a two sentence blurb.

Even if these were charges, that doesn't mean Vick is "cleared". It just means that they don't have enough evidence against him yet to convict him, in their opinion. Given the crazy way that celebrity justice seems to go, I'm sure they're holding themselves to an even higher standard in that regard. Vick doesn't appear to have been present much, which means that his involvement, if any, would be indirect, which would be a case that in theory would take longer to build anyway.

 

[roadkill1292]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

Answer: Yes.

This is a very interesting message board. Waiting until the facts are known before rendering an opinion is "idiotic."

 

[cobalt_27]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

Answer: Yes.

This is a very interesting message board. Waiting until the facts are known before rendering an opinion is "idiotic."

I think you're missing the point. There will never be a time that any one of us knows all the facts. We could go on forever not forming an opinion about the majority of things because we don't know all the facts, if that's your standard. But, we did know some important facts. One was that dog fighting was taking place on a property owned by Vick. Second, we knew from multiple sources that Vick had connections with people involved in this arena. Third, there were some folks who directly pointed the finger and said that he was intimately involved.

Now, you and I will never learn the full scope of what goes on in these investigations or court cases. Yet, given the available evidence at hand, it's reasonable to make an informed opinion. Whether we want to give benefit of the doubt or attribute guilt is an individual choice. But, it was pretty obvious what was going on, and you clearly had to reach to accommodate a fantasy scenario whereby he was not involved in this.

I'll just lift from Lester Munson's piece on ESPN:

The government's case includes evidence that Vick and his cohorts "tested" pit bulls for ferocity. If the dogs failed the test, the indictment charges, they were executed by hanging or drowning. In one case, with Vick present, the indictment says a dog was slammed to the ground until it was dead. In another incident, a dog was soaked with a hose and then electrocuted.

Clearly, you, LHUCKS and ILUVBEER99 had a strong, vested interest in standing by Vick despite all that we did know. Does that make it idiotic? Given all the circumstances surrounding this, and that we are not the court of law (and, thus, have a more liberal standard of guilt assessment), I say yes.

 

[redman]

I had the following email forwarded to me through a mutual friend from a guy I know who clerked for the late Justice Rehnquist and who worked in the D.C. area for the U.S. Attorney's office (yeah, he's pretty much a law stud) before going into private practice:

I know the US Attorney in Virginia overseeing the case. He is one of the best in the country and would not have proceeded unless he has the goods. Vick is in big trouble.

Obviously, I don't know the prosecutor in this case, but I can vouch for my friend's bona fides and assert unequivocally that he would be in a position to know of which he speaks.

 

[roadkill1292]

Ain't over yet. But I wonder if those of us advocating not rushing to judgement are still considered idiots.

Answer: Yes.

This is a very interesting message board. Waiting until the facts are known before rendering an opinion is "idiotic."

I think you're missing the point. There will never be a time that any one of us knows all the facts. We could go on forever not forming an opinion about the majority of things because we don't know all the facts, if that's your standard. But, we did know some important facts. One was that dog fighting was taking place on a property owned by Vick. Second, we knew from multiple sources that Vick had connections with people involved in this arena. Third, there were some folks who directly pointed the finger and said that he was intimately involved.

Now, you and I will never learn the full scope of what goes on in these investigations or court cases. Yet, given the available evidence at hand, it's reasonable to make an informed opinion. Whether we want to give benefit of the doubt or attribute guilt is an individual choice. But, it was pretty obvious what was going on, and you clearly had to reach to accommodate a fantasy scenario whereby he was not involved in this.

I'll just lift from Lester Munson's piece on ESPN:

The government's case includes evidence that Vick and his cohorts "tested" pit bulls for ferocity. If the dogs failed the test, the indictment charges, they were executed by hanging or drowning. In one case, with Vick present, the indictment says a dog was slammed to the ground until it was dead. In another incident, a dog was soaked with a hose and then electrocuted.

Clearly, you, LHUCKS and ILUVBEER99 had a strong, vested interest in standing by Vick despite all that we did know. Does that make it idiotic? Given all the circumstances surrounding this, and that we are not the court of law (and, thus, have a more liberal standard of guilt assessment), I say yes.

Lost, perhaps understandably, in the hubbub of this thread is the fact that I have advocated neither Vick's guilt or innocence in this or any of the ongoing threads. What's interesting is that those of us assuming that stance have been criticized for it. If advocating waiting for more facts before rendering an opinion is unsatisfactory, then a new frontier in debating guidelines has been crossed and I have some catching up to do.

 

[GroveDiesel]

After watching Mort on NFL Sunday Countdown the last several years get a lot of football specific stuff wrong, I put zero weight in his sources on what is a criminal justice matter.

and :bump:

I feel like typing that Pasquarelli and Mort should be fired. But I suspect they may have been offering up the company line for ESPN. I would quit if I were either of them. They look very very stupid. Almost as stupid as a few posters here that will remain nameless (at least in this post...).

Actually, Len is good friends with Vick's agent. It's pretty well known that Lenny gets most of his NFL information from player agents and spins things for his friends all the time. Just last offseason he was telling us how great Todd Pinkston still was and assuring us that he'd be a valuable contributor to some team. He also happens to be good friends with Pinkston's agent. I may be wrong, but I believe that he is actually the lead editor of the NFL side of things for ESPN.Len Pasquarelli is one of the most worthless sports sources on the internet. Why ESPN continues to employ him is beyond me.