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yeah, that's because nobody has it. i did just hear on espn that the eagles are the only team that controls their own destiny (if they win either of last two), so that indicates to me that it all depends on which teams are tied after next week, so i guess it goes to strength of victory, sched, or some other tie breakers depending on who it is. if all the tied teams lose next week, the giants would get in (meaning if the win column stayed the same as it is right now). that's the best i can do.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I think it is a complete mess right now.
If NY wins and Philly loses out, the Giants hold the edge based on common games (same schedule but for 2 games, Philly would be 6-8, NYG 8-6).
You break divisional ties first, so that would get them in over Philly - but that doesn't mean they're in.
The Giants have to win on Saturday and get the right help.
If NY wins and Philly loses out, the Giants hold the edge based on common games (same schedule but for 2 games, Philly would be 6-8, NYG 8-6).
You break divisional ties first, so that would get them in over Philly - but that doesn't mean they're in.
The Giants have to win on Saturday and get the right help.
or lose on saturday and get the right help. and a team who is currently 7-8 is making the playoffs even if philly does.please delete your post and dont make posts without any clue what you are talking about. it just confuses things. thanks.
yeah, that could easily be truei actually thought that WE should be rooting for the eagles tomorow
Giants fan here. I dont mean to kill your buzz here but do we really need to extend this season another week to be humiliated in another game while watching Eli shrug, Shockey pout, Coughlin grimmace and Buress give up on plays for another three hours? No thanks.
Just put me out of my misery already.
Just put me out of my misery already.
Koya
Footballguy
F the Giants. What a pathetic, sad sack bunch of losers this year.
I don't mean
losers, but in the literal sense. 6-2 to this?
I HOPE this is bad enough to can Coughlin. I always begrudgingly accepted him because we had a shot. Well, his "leadership" utterly blew that chance, this season.
The Giants don't deserve the playoff. No how, no way.
I don't mean
losers, but in the literal sense. 6-2 to this?I HOPE this is bad enough to can Coughlin. I always begrudgingly accepted him because we had a shot. Well, his "leadership" utterly blew that chance, this season.
The Giants don't deserve the playoff. No how, no way.
MeVsMaradona
Footballguy
I will be routing AGAINST the Giants next week. Them getting in after doing nothing for almost half the season would change my view on life.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
JaredL told me that the Eagles and the Giants control their own destiny.
No matter what happens tonight:
Seattle wins West, New Orleans the South, Chicago the North. Chicago has HFA.
If Dallas wins tonight they are NFC East champions. The standings for Wild Cards look like this:
Philadelphia 8-7, 7-4, 4-2
Carolina 7-8, 5-6, 4-1
Atlanta 7-8, 5-6, 3-3
Green Bay 7-8, 6-5, 4-1
St. Louis 7-8, 5-6, 2-4
NY Giants 7-8, 6-5, 3-2
If the Eagles beat Atlanta, then they will be through in 5th. In that case:
if the Giants and Packers win (the results of Carolina's and St. Louis' games don't matter) there could be up to a four-way 8-8 tie. Green Bay and the Giants go through the first round of the tiebreaker by having a 7-5 conference record. They didn't play each other so the relevant tiebreaker is common opponents (min 4 necesary). Their records would be a combined 1-4 against common opponents (Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Seattle. The tiebreaker would amazingly be strength of victory, which is the record of the teams a team has beaten. The Giants win this tiebreaker. Result: Eagles through 5th, Giants through 6th.
if one of the Giants and Green Bay wins and the other loses, then the winner goes through in 6th.
If both the Giants and Green Bay lose, and Carolina and St. Louis win then Carolina and St. Louis are tied at 8-8. Carolina beat St. Louis earlier in the season. If Carolina lose, St. Louis are in if they win. Result: Carolina goes through in sixth if they win, if they lose St. Louis are in with a win.
If all of the teams mentioned above lose, A 7-9 TEAM WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. That team is the New York Giants. The reasoning is effectively the same as the scenario where they all win. First the division tiebreaker would happen (supposing the 6-9 teams won). The only team that would possibly lose this to another team is the Rams. In any case, the two teams that come out of the first round of tiebreakers are the Packers and Giants. The Giants would win based on Strength of victory.
If Atlanta beats the Eagles:
If the four other 7-8 teams win, then we will have a 6-way tie at 8-8. The first tiebreaker is between division teams. Carolina advances (to the next tiebreaker round that is) over Atlanta based on the better division record. Philadelphia and the Giants are equal in division record so it goes to common games. In common opponents they are equal except for Atlanta, against whom it is assumed the Eagles lost, so the Giants go through. So this tiebreaking round is between the Giants, Panthers, Packers, and Rams (sound familiar?). The Giants get the 5th spot, see above. The Eagles get the last spot because they have the same conference record as the Packers (thus knocking out Carolina and St. Louis), and beat them H2H. Result: Giants through 5th, Eagles 6th.
ok, so that was fun. The same happens no matter what else happens so long as the Giants and either Carolina or Green Bay win. If the Packers lose and Carolina win, then the Giants will be in fifth due to beating Carolina (if Rams lose) or having the best conference record (if Rams win). Eagles get last spot for the same reason. If the Packers win, then everything works as it did in the bullet above. Result: Giants 5th, Eagles 6th.
If Giants win, Carolina, Green Bay and St. Louis all lose. That leaves a 3-way tie between the Eagles, Giants, and Falcons. The Giants win the tiebreaker with Eagles, and then the Falcons (H2H win). For the sixth spot, Atlanta gets it for having beaten the Eagles by assumption. Result: NYG 5th, Atl 6th.
If Giants, Rams win, Panthers and Packers lose. 4-way tie between Phi, NYG, Atl, and StL. Giants win tiebreaker with Eagles, then with other two based on better conference record. Eagles get last spot with better conference record. Result: Giants 5th, Eagles 6th
If Giants lose, Carolina and Green Bay win. After divisional tiebreaker, Philadelphia and Green Bay go to next round due to better conference record. Philadelphia gets 5th spot due to H2H. Green Bay gets 6th spot based on conference record. Result: Philly 5th, GB 6th
If Giants and Packers lose, Carolina win. Philadelphia get 5th spot due to either better conference record or having beaten Carolina (depends on St. Louis result). Carolina gets 6th spot by winning tiebreaker against Atlanta and beating St. Louis. Result: Iggles 5th, Carolina 6th.
If Giants and Carolina lose, Green Bay win. 3 or 4 way tie with Phi, Atl, GB, and StL (maybe). Eagles go through first due to better conference record eliminating all but them and GB. Green Bay get 6th due to better conference. Result: Eagles 5th, Packers 6th.
If NYG, Carolina, and Green Bay lose, St. Louis wins. 3 way tie (PHI, ATL, StL). Eagles get 5th due to better nonconference. The Falcons and Rams would have the same conference record, so it goes to common opponents. They played Carolina (Atl 1-1, Rams 0-1), Arizona (Atl 1-0, StL 1-1), Detroit (Atl 0-1, StL 1-0), Washington (both 1-0). Atlanta's record against those is 3-2 while St. Louis' is 3-2. So it also would go to strength of victory. This Atlanta would win. Result: Eagles 5th, Atlanta 6th
If NYG, Carolina, Green Bay and St. Louis all lose. Eagles and Falcons are tied, Falcons get 5th due to head-to-head victory.
If the Eagles win tonight, they go to 9-6 as do the Cowboys. If Philadelphia beats the Falcons or the Cowboys lose then Philadelphia wins the division and the Cowboys are the 5th seed. If the Eagles lose and Cowboys win in week 16, then the reverse is true.
If the Giants win, then they are in. They beat GB due to better Strength of Victory, they beat Atlanta and Carolina by H2H and conference record, and they beat St. Louis by better conference record. So they can lose no tie-breaker.
If the Giants lose:
If Green Bay win and St. Louis lose or Carolina win or Atlanta win then Green Bay gets the sixth spot.
If Green Bay and St. Louis win and Atlanta and Carolina lose then Green Bay and St. Louis are tied at 8-8 and St. Louis get sixth by winning head-to-head.
If Green Bay lose and Carolina and St. Louis win, it will come down to a tiebreaker between St. Louis and Carolina regardless of the Atlanta - Phillly result. Carolina get the sixth spot due to head-to-head.
If Green Bay and Carolina lose and Atlanta win then Atlanta are in. They win a tiebreaker with St. Louis should they win due to a better Strength of Victory.
If Green Bay and St. Louis lose then Carolina get the sixth spot if they win. If they lose and Atlanta wins then Atlanta are in. If they both lose, then the Giants are in at 7-9 due to the monstrosity of a tiebreaker I gave above.
So in order to get into the playoffs:
Eagles get in if:
They win against the Cowboys.
OR
They win against Atlanta
OR
The Giants lose next week OR at least one of Carolina, Green Bay, and St. Louis win.
Giants are in if:
They win next week.
OR
All 7-8 teams lose.
Carolina is in if:
They win AND one of the following happens:
The Eagles lose tonight. The Eagles beat the Falcons, the Giants and Green Bay lose.
OR
The Eagles lose tonight and next week to the Falcons. The Giants and Packers lose in week 16.
OR
The Eagles win tonight. The Giants and Packers lose next week.
Atlanta is in if:
They win AND one of the following happens:
Eagles lose tonight. Next week Rams win, Carolina and Green Bay both lose.
OR
Eagles win tonight. Next week Green Bay, New York, and Carolina lose.
Green Bay is in if
They win AND one of the following happens:
Eagles lose tonight. Next week the Giants lose.
OR
Eagles win tonight. St. Louis and New York lose next week.
OR
Eagles win tonight. Carolina or Atlanta win next week. New York loses next week.
St. Louis is in if:
They win
AND
Eagles lose tonight. Next week Eagles beat Falcons. Giants, Green Bay, and Carolina lose.
No matter what happens tonight:
Seattle wins West, New Orleans the South, Chicago the North. Chicago has HFA.
If Dallas wins tonight they are NFC East champions. The standings for Wild Cards look like this:
Philadelphia 8-7, 7-4, 4-2
Carolina 7-8, 5-6, 4-1
Atlanta 7-8, 5-6, 3-3
Green Bay 7-8, 6-5, 4-1
St. Louis 7-8, 5-6, 2-4
NY Giants 7-8, 6-5, 3-2
If the Eagles beat Atlanta, then they will be through in 5th. In that case:
if the Giants and Packers win (the results of Carolina's and St. Louis' games don't matter) there could be up to a four-way 8-8 tie. Green Bay and the Giants go through the first round of the tiebreaker by having a 7-5 conference record. They didn't play each other so the relevant tiebreaker is common opponents (min 4 necesary). Their records would be a combined 1-4 against common opponents (Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Seattle. The tiebreaker would amazingly be strength of victory, which is the record of the teams a team has beaten. The Giants win this tiebreaker. Result: Eagles through 5th, Giants through 6th.
if one of the Giants and Green Bay wins and the other loses, then the winner goes through in 6th.
If both the Giants and Green Bay lose, and Carolina and St. Louis win then Carolina and St. Louis are tied at 8-8. Carolina beat St. Louis earlier in the season. If Carolina lose, St. Louis are in if they win. Result: Carolina goes through in sixth if they win, if they lose St. Louis are in with a win.
If all of the teams mentioned above lose, A 7-9 TEAM WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. That team is the New York Giants. The reasoning is effectively the same as the scenario where they all win. First the division tiebreaker would happen (supposing the 6-9 teams won). The only team that would possibly lose this to another team is the Rams. In any case, the two teams that come out of the first round of tiebreakers are the Packers and Giants. The Giants would win based on Strength of victory.
If Atlanta beats the Eagles:
If the four other 7-8 teams win, then we will have a 6-way tie at 8-8. The first tiebreaker is between division teams. Carolina advances (to the next tiebreaker round that is) over Atlanta based on the better division record. Philadelphia and the Giants are equal in division record so it goes to common games. In common opponents they are equal except for Atlanta, against whom it is assumed the Eagles lost, so the Giants go through. So this tiebreaking round is between the Giants, Panthers, Packers, and Rams (sound familiar?). The Giants get the 5th spot, see above. The Eagles get the last spot because they have the same conference record as the Packers (thus knocking out Carolina and St. Louis), and beat them H2H. Result: Giants through 5th, Eagles 6th.
ok, so that was fun. The same happens no matter what else happens so long as the Giants and either Carolina or Green Bay win. If the Packers lose and Carolina win, then the Giants will be in fifth due to beating Carolina (if Rams lose) or having the best conference record (if Rams win). Eagles get last spot for the same reason. If the Packers win, then everything works as it did in the bullet above. Result: Giants 5th, Eagles 6th.
If Giants win, Carolina, Green Bay and St. Louis all lose. That leaves a 3-way tie between the Eagles, Giants, and Falcons. The Giants win the tiebreaker with Eagles, and then the Falcons (H2H win). For the sixth spot, Atlanta gets it for having beaten the Eagles by assumption. Result: NYG 5th, Atl 6th.
If Giants, Rams win, Panthers and Packers lose. 4-way tie between Phi, NYG, Atl, and StL. Giants win tiebreaker with Eagles, then with other two based on better conference record. Eagles get last spot with better conference record. Result: Giants 5th, Eagles 6th
If Giants lose, Carolina and Green Bay win. After divisional tiebreaker, Philadelphia and Green Bay go to next round due to better conference record. Philadelphia gets 5th spot due to H2H. Green Bay gets 6th spot based on conference record. Result: Philly 5th, GB 6th
If Giants and Packers lose, Carolina win. Philadelphia get 5th spot due to either better conference record or having beaten Carolina (depends on St. Louis result). Carolina gets 6th spot by winning tiebreaker against Atlanta and beating St. Louis. Result: Iggles 5th, Carolina 6th.
If Giants and Carolina lose, Green Bay win. 3 or 4 way tie with Phi, Atl, GB, and StL (maybe). Eagles go through first due to better conference record eliminating all but them and GB. Green Bay get 6th due to better conference. Result: Eagles 5th, Packers 6th.
If NYG, Carolina, and Green Bay lose, St. Louis wins. 3 way tie (PHI, ATL, StL). Eagles get 5th due to better nonconference. The Falcons and Rams would have the same conference record, so it goes to common opponents. They played Carolina (Atl 1-1, Rams 0-1), Arizona (Atl 1-0, StL 1-1), Detroit (Atl 0-1, StL 1-0), Washington (both 1-0). Atlanta's record against those is 3-2 while St. Louis' is 3-2. So it also would go to strength of victory. This Atlanta would win. Result: Eagles 5th, Atlanta 6th
If NYG, Carolina, Green Bay and St. Louis all lose. Eagles and Falcons are tied, Falcons get 5th due to head-to-head victory.
If the Eagles win tonight, they go to 9-6 as do the Cowboys. If Philadelphia beats the Falcons or the Cowboys lose then Philadelphia wins the division and the Cowboys are the 5th seed. If the Eagles lose and Cowboys win in week 16, then the reverse is true.
If the Giants win, then they are in. They beat GB due to better Strength of Victory, they beat Atlanta and Carolina by H2H and conference record, and they beat St. Louis by better conference record. So they can lose no tie-breaker.
If the Giants lose:
If Green Bay win and St. Louis lose or Carolina win or Atlanta win then Green Bay gets the sixth spot.
If Green Bay and St. Louis win and Atlanta and Carolina lose then Green Bay and St. Louis are tied at 8-8 and St. Louis get sixth by winning head-to-head.
If Green Bay lose and Carolina and St. Louis win, it will come down to a tiebreaker between St. Louis and Carolina regardless of the Atlanta - Phillly result. Carolina get the sixth spot due to head-to-head.
If Green Bay and Carolina lose and Atlanta win then Atlanta are in. They win a tiebreaker with St. Louis should they win due to a better Strength of Victory.
If Green Bay and St. Louis lose then Carolina get the sixth spot if they win. If they lose and Atlanta wins then Atlanta are in. If they both lose, then the Giants are in at 7-9 due to the monstrosity of a tiebreaker I gave above.
So in order to get into the playoffs:
Eagles get in if:
They win against the Cowboys.
OR
They win against Atlanta
OR
The Giants lose next week OR at least one of Carolina, Green Bay, and St. Louis win.
Giants are in if:
They win next week.
OR
All 7-8 teams lose.
Carolina is in if:
They win AND one of the following happens:
The Eagles lose tonight. The Eagles beat the Falcons, the Giants and Green Bay lose.
OR
The Eagles lose tonight and next week to the Falcons. The Giants and Packers lose in week 16.
OR
The Eagles win tonight. The Giants and Packers lose next week.
Atlanta is in if:
They win AND one of the following happens:
Eagles lose tonight. Next week Rams win, Carolina and Green Bay both lose.
OR
Eagles win tonight. Next week Green Bay, New York, and Carolina lose.
Green Bay is in if
They win AND one of the following happens:
Eagles lose tonight. Next week the Giants lose.
OR
Eagles win tonight. St. Louis and New York lose next week.
OR
Eagles win tonight. Carolina or Atlanta win next week. New York loses next week.
St. Louis is in if:
They win
AND
Eagles lose tonight. Next week Eagles beat Falcons. Giants, Green Bay, and Carolina lose.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
No, hold on...I think some of that is wrong because it possible under those circumstances to have 3 teams getting into 2 spots. For example it says that the Giants and Philly are both in with a win, but then it says that GB is in with a win, a Philly win, and a St Louis win(how can they be in if NYG and Philly are in too?)
Damn this is confusing.
Damn this is confusing.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure NY controls their own destiny. I went through a less rigorous analsis but similar to what jwvdcw did, and that was my result. The only way I could see the Giants missing out is if the Packers can make up enough room in SOV by beating Chicago (which helps a lot) and having the other teams they've beaten this year win, while the Giants defeated opponents lose. NY has a nice sized edge now, but I didn't go through to see if this was mathematically impossible.
I know the SF lost helped. Had they won, NY would not control their own destiny.
I know the SF lost helped. Had they won, NY would not control their own destiny.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
ok, updated my post. Yeah NY does control their own destiny. They didn't before this week though, but ironically enough they do now even though they lost. I think that is where a lot of conusion is coming from- many fans heard last week that NY does not control their own destiny, so they assume incorrectly that since they lost they still don't.
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biggamer3
Footballguy
Of course they dont deserve the playoffs, but neither do the Packers, Falcons, Rams or Panthers.All i want is for the Giants to make the playoffs and you really never know what could happen in the NFC.For instance who here, so the Giants Bears game and thought the Giants had no ochance to win?We had a great shot to win but we callapsed like we do to often, if the Giants get off to a fast start and build confidence for Eli we will be tough to beat.Koya said:F the Giants. What a pathetic, sad sack bunch of losers this year.I don't meanlosers, but in the literal sense. 6-2 to this?I HOPE this is bad enough to can Coughlin. I always begrudgingly accepted him because we had a shot. Well, his "leadership" utterly blew that chance, this season.The Giants don't deserve the playoff. No how, no way.
videoguy505
Footballguy
Does anything change if Philly beats Dallas?
biggamer3
Footballguy
I am not sure, but i think if Philly wins, it makes matters less complicating for the Giants, they win the tie breakers as of now, but if they added the Eagles to the mix, it would only make it more of a headache.Go Eagles
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videoguy505
Footballguy
I heard quick analysis commentary yesterday that Giants fans had to root for Dallas in order to fully control their own destiny, but that could have been wrong since it was halfway through the day. It's possible the change in records of opponents could affect the strength of schedule and some other tiebreakers, thereby costing the Giants a berth, but I'm not sure.
Slider
Footballguy
The division is then up for grabs and Dallas becomes a wildcard. Their ugly conference record would drop them but they are in.
biggamer3
Footballguy
For the Giants the change in records doesnt matter because either way either the eagles or cowboys get a win, so that number will stay the same
IF DALLAS BEATS PHILADELPHIA
NY Giants clinch a playoff berth:
1) NYG win + NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB
2) NYG win + PHI loss
3) NYG win + GB loss or tie
4) NYG tie + GB loss or tie + STL loss or tie + ATL loss or tie + CAR loss or tie
5) GB loss + STL loss + ATL loss + CAR loss
IF PHILADELPHIA BEATS DALLAS
NY Giants clinch a playoff berth:
1) NYG win + NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB
2) NYG win + GB loss or tie
3) NYG tie + GB loss or tie + STL loss or tie + ATL loss or tie + CAR loss or tie
4) GB loss + STL loss + ATL loss + CAR loss
NY Giants clinch a playoff berth:
1) NYG win + NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB
2) NYG win + PHI loss
3) NYG win + GB loss or tie
4) NYG tie + GB loss or tie + STL loss or tie + ATL loss or tie + CAR loss or tie
5) GB loss + STL loss + ATL loss + CAR loss
IF PHILADELPHIA BEATS DALLAS
NY Giants clinch a playoff berth:
1) NYG win + NYG clinch strength of victory tiebreaker over GB
2) NYG win + GB loss or tie
3) NYG tie + GB loss or tie + STL loss or tie + ATL loss or tie + CAR loss or tie
4) GB loss + STL loss + ATL loss + CAR loss
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It is the winning percentage of the opponents you have beat.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Sorry if my simplification of the Giants chances was too difficult for you. Based on all that I've read here, I think I pretty much had the answer for you about 10 hours before others posted here.kd1 said:
biggamer3
Footballguy
As of right now the giants opponents have won 45 games, while the packers opponents have won 33 games, the pack play the bears next week which if they win will add 13 wins to their oppnonets and make them 46, and if the giants beat the redskins that will make them 50, so barring the opponents of the packers making up those 4 games the Gmen have the tiebreaker
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Lemme ask you Giant's fans a question. Do you want in? A playoff berth might just be enough to let certain people keep their jobs and/or justify the season in some way. Gonna be a road game in Seattle (where they've been embarassd twice), Dallas/Philly (another tough division game) or NO where a stomping is imminent. Do you really want another week of embarassment and even worse a first round win and Coughlin back next year?
biggamer3
Footballguy
Unless the Gmen make the NFC championsship game i dont see the new GM keeping Coughlin the fans and players want him out, no reason for him to stay
videoguy505
Footballguy
But if the right 5 Packers opponents win next Sunday, and the Giants and Packers both win, then GB goes?
biggamer3
Footballguy
basically GB needs the Vikings and Lions to each win on Sunday because they beat each of them twice, plus they need the giants opponents to lose.Falcons play Eagles so Giants are guarenteed another victory there and Eagles play Cowboys tonight so thats two more victories for the Giants opponents.basically we have that tiebreaker
biggamer3
Footballguy
This is pretty much a win and were in
From Yahoo Sports:
New York's scenario for the playoffs is simple. Beat Washington, then wait until Sunday for the right result in any one of 10 other games. The chances of all 10 going against the Giants are astronomical.
The simplest would be the most obvious: a win by Dallas (9-6) over Detroit (2-13) at Texas Stadium. That would make it impossible for Green Bay to get the "strength of victory" edge even if it wins at Chicago in a game that is meaningless for the Bears (13-2), who already have clinched home-field advantage in the NFC playoffs.
From Yahoo Sports:
New York's scenario for the playoffs is simple. Beat Washington, then wait until Sunday for the right result in any one of 10 other games. The chances of all 10 going against the Giants are astronomical.
The simplest would be the most obvious: a win by Dallas (9-6) over Detroit (2-13) at Texas Stadium. That would make it impossible for Green Bay to get the "strength of victory" edge even if it wins at Chicago in a game that is meaningless for the Bears (13-2), who already have clinched home-field advantage in the NFC playoffs.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I will be rooting for whatever result ends up with Coughlin getting the boot; but I will also likely get sucked into rooting for them to win and get in with the 6th seed. They would play Seattle then, right? Might actually be a winnable game.
biggamer3
Footballguy
If Giants get in and Philly wins, Giants play PHilly, which is really winnable, if Philly lose and Dallas win they play Dallas which is also winnable.Damn, every team but the Saints in the NFC is winnable, so i think they can upset Chicago in round 2 if they make it their
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
So if the Giants get in to the playoffs they will probably be playing a division game in round 1?This is just the fracking thing that could save Coughlin because if they wake their butts up and win this week they could catch a streak and definately beat anyone in that division. Give Tom 1 playoff win and he's back.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I really don't see the Giants winning @Washington and then @Philly. (Philly is going to cream Atlanta this weekend).So if the Giants get in to the playoffs they will probably be playing a division game in round 1?This is just the fracking thing that could save Coughlin because if they wake their butts up and win this week they could catch a streak and definately beat anyone in that division. Give Tom 1 playoff win and he's back.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
It is extremely realistic that the Giants could lose and still be in.
Atlanta is a road dog at Philly, with the Eagles favored by nearly a TD.
Green Bay goes to Chicago, who is only a slight favorite because they are likely to rest players, but still - the Bears don't like to lose to the Packers.
Carolina is a slight favorite on the road at New Orleans, who also has nothing to play for, but is still the better team.
Lastly, the Rams are on the road at Minnesota, with STL only a 2 point favorite.So there is a clear scenario where the 4 home teams win and the Giants lose yet get in at 7-9. That would be unbelievable - and a travishamockery for the NFL.
Atlanta is a road dog at Philly, with the Eagles favored by nearly a TD.
Green Bay goes to Chicago, who is only a slight favorite because they are likely to rest players, but still - the Bears don't like to lose to the Packers.
Carolina is a slight favorite on the road at New Orleans, who also has nothing to play for, but is still the better team.
Lastly, the Rams are on the road at Minnesota, with STL only a 2 point favorite.So there is a clear scenario where the 4 home teams win and the Giants lose yet get in at 7-9. That would be unbelievable - and a travishamockery for the NFL.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't see them winning at Washington. As soon as 1-2 things go against the Giants in the game they'll panic and fold.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
i have made Eli, Tiki, and Burress voodoo dolls. they are toast without those three guys. my strahan doll already worked.
harryhood
Footballguy
The Giants don’t technically control their postseason destiny, because they can beat Washington and still not make the playoffs under the NFL’s tiebreaking rules. But realistically, they will dictate their own fate, because a victory would make it all but impossible for any other team to secure the NFC’s sixth and final postseason berth.
If the Giants defeat the Redskins, they would qualify for the playoffs if ANY of the following occur:
1)Chicago defeats Green Bay
2)Dallas defeats Detroit
3)St. Louis defeats Minnesota
4)At least TWO of the following occur:
a)Carolina defeats New Orleans
b)Houston defeats Cleveland
c)Tampa Bay defeats Seattle
d) Indianapolis defeats Miami
e)Denver defeats San Francisco
f) San Diego defeats Arizona
5)Any ONE of the above (a-f) occur AND the Giants clinch strength of schedule over Green Bay.
if they win, you will most likely see dallas roll detroit, which would secure our playoff birth. Just gotta beat those skins!
If the Giants defeat the Redskins, they would qualify for the playoffs if ANY of the following occur:
1)Chicago defeats Green Bay
2)Dallas defeats Detroit
3)St. Louis defeats Minnesota
4)At least TWO of the following occur:
a)Carolina defeats New Orleans
b)Houston defeats Cleveland
c)Tampa Bay defeats Seattle
d) Indianapolis defeats Miami
e)Denver defeats San Francisco
f) San Diego defeats Arizona
5)Any ONE of the above (a-f) occur AND the Giants clinch strength of schedule over Green Bay.
if they win, you will most likely see dallas roll detroit, which would secure our playoff birth. Just gotta beat those skins!
scott72
Footballguy
Rip a leg off of each of em...
As a very frustrated Giants fan, I still hope they make the playoffs and win as many as possible. Hey, a team gets hot at the right time, wins three in a row and then on to the super bowl!
I think that if the Giants get in (very likely, IF they win on Sat), that Coughlin is here next season. Even if they do not get in, he may still be here. Wouldn't it be a lot for the Giants brass to admit a mistake with their coach when it is also VERY obvious that they got completely hosed with the Eli deal?
I think that if the Giants get in (very likely, IF they win on Sat), that Coughlin is here next season. Even if they do not get in, he may still be here. Wouldn't it be a lot for the Giants brass to admit a mistake with their coach when it is also VERY obvious that they got completely hosed with the Eli deal?
redman
Footballguy
I'm a 'Skins fan so I'm obviously biased on this one, but I've got a feeling that the Giants are not going to win on Saturday. I don't think that that team believes on Coughlin, and they know they won't do anything in the playoffs this year IMHO. They haven't played inspired football in a couple of months.
I think the Redskins will win an ugly one on Saturday given that, ironically, the 'Skins have stayed more unified than the Giants despite being eliminated from the playoffs. They're also playing their best football of the season right now.
I think the Redskins will win an ugly one on Saturday given that, ironically, the 'Skins have stayed more unified than the Giants despite being eliminated from the playoffs. They're also playing their best football of the season right now.
suchislife
Footballguy
I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread on it, but yes the Giants fired (errr, reassigned) their OC and promoted QB coach Kevin Gilbride to OC and playcalling duties.http://www.courant.com/sports/football/gia...eadlines-giantsIs it true that Coughlin took the playcalling away from whoever was doing it and handed that chore over to Kevin Gilbride?
No panic there.
fatness
Footballguy
If Coughlin should have made the change earlier, I wonder why he didn't? Making the change for the last game of the season makes it look like Coughlin thinks he's going to lose his job if this game doesn't go well.
There were reports from the fill-in hosts on Mike & Mike this morning that Coughlin has been pointing fingers in team meetings this week, at everyone but himself, and that the players can see he's out to keep his job by blaming others.
Yeah, I'd say it's panic, at least on Coughlin's part.
There were reports from the fill-in hosts on Mike & Mike this morning that Coughlin has been pointing fingers in team meetings this week, at everyone but himself, and that the players can see he's out to keep his job by blaming others.
Yeah, I'd say it's panic, at least on Coughlin's part.
