FF Playoff Waivers (1 Viewer)

[xenith]

Both of the leagues I play in do not. In one I am commish, and will propose a league vote to keep waivers open thru the FF playoffs next year.

Curious what the %s are on leagues with or w/out playoff waivers.

 

[Rounders]

I voted yes, but it's a different system.

Basically its a first come first served, however if you wish to pick up a player you must drop an injured player and can not pick up that same player again. We put it in a few years ago so that someone couldn't make a ton of moves and ride the hot hand.

 

[CalBear]

We run waivers, but at a transaction cost of $10 per pickup. The idea is, you shouldn't be totally hosed because all three of your QBs went down during the playoffs (which happened a couple of years ago), but it shouldn't be a common thing to pick up people off the waiver wire and play them in the playoffs.

 

[Road Warriors]

We maintain the same waivers system throughout the playoffs. The only changes that come into play are your keeper roster locks at the end of the regular season and your ability to make claims for FA pickups ends when your team is eliminated.

I have seen championships determined by injuries and owners hamstrung by waivers ending in the playoffs. I think it would suck to make the finals but lose because you couldn't pick up a replacement for your injured QB.

 

[Sweet Love]

Two of my leagues flat out are open to waivers throughout the playoffs. One of my leagues cuts off waivers after week 10 for healthy players. Basically this means that if you have a played that shows up on the injury report as questionable or worse you can drop him and add another player (redraft league). I always try to keep one injured player on my roster after week 10 so that if something drastically changes in the NFL landscape, i can jump on a player that may have gained a starting opportunity.

 

[Brewzers]

One league allows one last waiver run for the playoff teams prior to start of week 14 and then freezes rosters the rest of the way. The other league freezes rosters at kickoff time, week 13.

 

[NoCheese]

I voted yes, but it's a different system.Basically its a first come first served, however if you wish to pick up a player you must drop an injured player and can not pick up that same player again. We put it in a few years ago so that someone couldn't make a ton of moves and ride the hot hand.

What's the ultimtate concern here though?

 

[Rounders]

I voted yes, but it's a different system.Basically its a first come first served, however if you wish to pick up a player you must drop an injured player and can not pick up that same player again. We put it in a few years ago so that someone couldn't make a ton of moves and ride the hot hand.

What's the ultimtate concern here though?

We call it the Volek/Bennet Rule. That year a wildcard team that barely made the playoffs picked them up and rode them to a championship. The other owners that it was unfair to them and their season. This was put in as a remedy to that situation.

 

[NoCheese]

I voted yes, but it's a different system.Basically its a first come first served, however if you wish to pick up a player you must drop an injured player and can not pick up that same player again. We put it in a few years ago so that someone couldn't make a ton of moves and ride the hot hand.

What's the ultimtate concern here though?

We call it the Volek/Bennet Rule. That year a wildcard team that barely made the playoffs picked them up and rode them to a championship. The other owners that it was unfair to them and their season. This was put in as a remedy to that situation.

Although I was a victim to that (Billy Volek) I still don't see the logic in disallowing playoff teams to better their rosters. I can see maybe allowing only 1 pickup or an injury pickup, but if ALL teams have an equal chance at a FA, then what's the big deal? If you don't have any waiver dollars remaining and the othe owner does then he should have an advantage as he's spent less than you during the regular season. Plus, when has a "Volek-Bennett" situation really occurred other than the one year you referenced?

 

[Rounders]

I voted yes, but it's a different system.Basically its a first come first served, however if you wish to pick up a player you must drop an injured player and can not pick up that same player again. We put it in a few years ago so that someone couldn't make a ton of moves and ride the hot hand.

What's the ultimtate concern here though?

We call it the Volek/Bennet Rule. That year a wildcard team that barely made the playoffs picked them up and rode them to a championship. The other owners that it was unfair to them and their season. This was put in as a remedy to that situation.

Although I was a victim to that (Billy Volek) I still don't see the logic in disallowing playoff teams to better their rosters. I can see maybe allowing only 1 pickup or an injury pickup, but if ALL teams have an equal chance at a FA, then what's the big deal? If you don't have any waiver dollars remaining and the othe owner does then he should have an advantage as he's spent less than you during the regular season. Plus, when has a "Volek-Bennett" situation really occurred other than the one year you referenced?

Agreed and that was my main argument.....they didn't see it that way and I lost the vote 8-2....you wouldn't happen to be the other vote in my league??

 

[CalBear]

Although I was a victim to that (Billy Volek) I still don't see the logic in disallowing playoff teams to better their rosters. I can see maybe allowing only 1 pickup or an injury pickup, but if ALL teams have an equal chance at a FA, then what's the big deal? If you don't have any waiver dollars remaining and the othe owner does then he should have an advantage as he's spent less than you during the regular season. Plus, when has a "Volek-Bennett" situation really occurred other than the one year you referenced?

I was winning my game by 25 points, with my opponent only having Bennett and Kennison left on Monday night, in the game they combined for 400+ yards and 5 TDs or something like that. Grr.It's actually quite common for late-season waiver wire picks to wind up being important. Top-10 RBs in weeks 14-17 last year included Ladell Betts and Ron Dayne. QBs included JP Losman and Jay Cutler. WRs were Vincent Jackson and Mike Furrey. Two years ago, I won a championship based on starting Kyle Boller at QB (#4 QB from weeks 14-17). I think it's best to have some sort of access to the waiver wire in the playoffs, but to do something to limit it. Either a high transaction cost, or limit on total number of moves or something. You don't want people to be hosed by their starter being injured, but you also don't want the players who win the Super Bowl to be significantly different than the players a team had all year.

 

[NoCheese]

Although I was a victim to that (Billy Volek) I still don't see the logic in disallowing playoff teams to better their rosters. I can see maybe allowing only 1 pickup or an injury pickup, but if ALL teams have an equal chance at a FA, then what's the big deal? If you don't have any waiver dollars remaining and the othe owner does then he should have an advantage as he's spent less than you during the regular season. Plus, when has a "Volek-Bennett" situation really occurred other than the one year you referenced?

I was winning my game by 25 points, with my opponent only having Bennett and Kennison left on Monday night, in the game they combined for 400+ yards and 5 TDs or something like that. Grr.It's actually quite common for late-season waiver wire picks to wind up being important. Top-10 RBs in weeks 14-17 last year included Ladell Betts and Ron Dayne. QBs included JP Losman and Jay Cutler. WRs were Vincent Jackson and Mike Furrey. Two years ago, I won a championship based on starting Kyle Boller at QB (#4 QB from weeks 14-17). I think it's best to have some sort of access to the waiver wire in the playoffs, but to do something to limit it. Either a high transaction cost, or limit on total number of moves or something. You don't want people to be hosed by their starter being injured, but you also don't want the players who win the Super Bowl to be significantly different than the players a team had all year.

I understand what you're saying. That's a practical argument and a good one at that. I fail to see how a waiver wire player should be the sole cause of an "unworthy" owner winning it all. After all, getting to the playoffs is an accomplishment that not all owners achieve. Generally speaking, there just aren't that many good available pickups for it to be a rule that I would want enforced. I agree that it stinks that Billy Volek lit it up in the playoffs (and it actually happened to me so I know how it feels) but I strongly feel all playoff teams have a chance at the waiver wire players and are just jealous when another player blows up that they could have had. I don't believe "toilet bowl" teams should have access to free agents (if there's nothing at stake but a cash prize) because those are "fun" games, not serious ones, and I don't believe in a waiver order for the playoff teams either, but if you use a blind bidding free agent system with a fixed budget for everyone, I don't see the problem with making the claim system wide open.

 

[NoCheese]

I voted yes, but it's a different system.Basically its a first come first served, however if you wish to pick up a player you must drop an injured player and can not pick up that same player again. We put it in a few years ago so that someone couldn't make a ton of moves and ride the hot hand.

What's the ultimtate concern here though?

We call it the Volek/Bennet Rule. That year a wildcard team that barely made the playoffs picked them up and rode them to a championship. The other owners that it was unfair to them and their season. This was put in as a remedy to that situation.

Although I was a victim to that (Billy Volek) I still don't see the logic in disallowing playoff teams to better their rosters. I can see maybe allowing only 1 pickup or an injury pickup, but if ALL teams have an equal chance at a FA, then what's the big deal? If you don't have any waiver dollars remaining and the othe owner does then he should have an advantage as he's spent less than you during the regular season. Plus, when has a "Volek-Bennett" situation really occurred other than the one year you referenced?

Agreed and that was my main argument.....they didn't see it that way and I lost the vote 8-2....you wouldn't happen to be the other vote in my league??

No, I don't believe so

 

[NoCheese]

Although I was a victim to that (Billy Volek) I still don't see the logic in disallowing playoff teams to better their rosters. I can see maybe allowing only 1 pickup or an injury pickup, but if ALL teams have an equal chance at a FA, then what's the big deal? If you don't have any waiver dollars remaining and the othe owner does then he should have an advantage as he's spent less than you during the regular season. Plus, when has a "Volek-Bennett" situation really occurred other than the one year you referenced?

I think it's best to have some sort of access to the waiver wire in the playoffs, but to do something to limit it. Either a high transaction cost, or limit on total number of moves or something. You don't want people to be hosed by their starter being injured, but you also don't want the players who win the Super Bowl to be significantly different than the players a team had all year.

I think an argument from the side of completely disallowing it would be more compelling to me than trying to dissuade people from picking guys up by overcharging them or limiting them. I see the logic in "protecting" owners, but what exactly are you protecting them from, since they themselves could have picked up the player if they knew he'd be good? I would say you'd have to give credit to the owner who made the pickup if the player works out

 

[xenith]

We run waivers, but at a transaction cost of $10 per pickup. The idea is, you shouldn't be totally hosed because all three of your QBs went down during the playoffs (which happened a couple of years ago), but it shouldn't be a common thing to pick up people off the waiver wire and play them in the playoffs.

This I like! Thanks for the discussion, some good points! Oh and the aversion to an owner riding the hot hand, isn't that the whole point of the wire, to find those guys? If somebody can fine em and ride em to a title, more power to em IMO.