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Is Hines Ward playing? Thoughts on Washington, Holmes, Wilson?

Braylon's best game was against the Steelers for 137 yards and a TD last time they played. Since then he's barked at Frye, been late to practice, etc.

Any thoughts or Qs on tonight's game?

 
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Pittsburgh Steelers WR Hines Ward and S Troy Polamalu are out Thursday night against the Cleveland Browns. S Ryan Clark and WR Cedrick Wilson are also out. WR Nate Washington and WR Santonio Holmes will start at wide receiver. S Antonio Smith and S Tyrone Carter will start at safety.

And from Dec 4th

The Steelers lost WR Cedrick Wilson to injury yesterday and he might not recover in time to play Thursday night. Wilson left the game in the first quarter with a left ankle sprain. The Steelers were already missing starter WR Hines Ward because of an injury. WR Nate Washington and WR Santonio Holmes may have to start Thursday night. "It's a short week," HC Bill Cowher said of the injury to Wilson. "I'm not real optimistic." Special teamer Sean Morey was used in three wides and WR Walter Young, signed from the practice squad Nov. 25, came on as the fourth receiver yesterday.

(Answerred my own Q but...)

 
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Is Hines Ward playing? Thoughts on Washington, Holmes, Wilson?Braylon's best game was against the Steelers for 137 yards and a TD last time they played. Since then he's barked at Frye, been late to practice, etc.Any thoughts or Qs on tonight's game?
Ward will not be playing tonight.
 
The Steelers will be without Hines Ward and Cedrick Wilson, their #1 and #2 receivers (although Santonio Holmes had been splitting time with Wilson for the past couple of weeks). Holmes and Nate Washington will start and are adequate receivers but are not going to strike fear in the hearts of an opposing defense. Look for the TEs, Heath Miller and Jerame Tuman, and RBs Willie Parker and Najeh Davenport to pick up some of the slack in the passing game becasuse those backup WRs (Sean Morey, Walter Young and Lee Mays) are brutal. :X

The Steelers are going to try establish the running game but the Browns are going to be wise to that game. In the last meeting Parker ran for only 46 yards on 16 carries for a 2.9 avg. The offensive line is going to need to block a lot better than they have been in recent weeks. I believe the Browns are fairly healthy on defense although I did hear that DE Orpheus Roye might not play. I don't know enough about the Browns defense to know what kind of a hit that will be.

One thing to watch for: The Steelers were very successful against the Browns with the hurry up offense. I don't expect them to come out in the hurry-up but it wouldn't surprise me if they do this for a few series in the game, especially if their offense is struggling. On theother hand they may be reluctant to do this since they are without Ward and Wilson.

Browns QB Derek Anderson will be making his first NFL start this week. Anderson came in last week when the Browns were down and starter Charlie Frye was injured. Anderson came in and threw 2 TD passes late in the 4th quarter and scrambled for a 30+ yard run in OT to lead the Browns to victory over the Chiefs.

It was very impressive but going against the Steelers defense on the road and in the cold is going to be a big challenge. One thing in Anderson's favor is that both starting safeties for the Steelers will be out for this game. Veteran Tyrone Carter and rookie Anthony Smith (or possibly Mike Logan) will start for the injured Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark. The key for the Browns will be to pick up the Steelers blitzes and give Anderson some time. If they do, TE Kellen Winslow II and WR Braylon Edwards should have no problems finsing holes in the Steelers secondary.

It would also be huge for the Browns if they can establish a running game to keep Anderson out of obvious passing downs. The Browns were without starter Reuben Droughns in the last meeting but backup Jason Wright did a pretty good job, rushing for 74 yards on 14 carries (4.1).

The one big advantage the Browns have in this game is special teams. Dennis Northcutt is 3rd in the NFL in punt returns and Josh Cribbs is fourth in kickoff returns, including a TD in the last Browns-Steelers game. The Steelers special teams have been horrible all year in all areas. If the Steelers can avoid giving up big returns I think they will win the game.

 
The Steelers will be without Hines Ward and Cedrick Wilson, their #1 and #2 receivers (although Santonio Holmes had been splitting time with Wilson for the past couple of weeks). Holmes and Nate Washington will start and are adequate receivers but are not going to strike fear in the hearts of an opposing defense. Look for the TEs, Heath Miller and Jerame Tuman, and RBs Willie Parker and Najeh Davenport to pick up some of the slack in the passing game becasuse those backup WRs (Sean Morey, Walter Young and Lee Mays) are brutal. :X
if only that rookie WR last year for them panned out huh?I read something similar last week and the TEs only had 3 catches so I'm skeptical.
One thing to watch for: The Steelers were very successful against the Browns with the hurry up offense. I don't expect them to come out in the hurry-up but it wouldn't surprise me if they do this for a few series in the game, especially if their offense is struggling. On theother hand they may be reluctant to do this since they are without Ward and Wilson.
If they can get the D tired or catching their breath, I'd think Holmes and Washington should be able to get open deep in the hurry up.
It was very impressive but going against the Steelers defense on the road and in the cold is going to be a big challenge. One thing in Anderson's favor is that both starting safeties for the Steelers will be out for this game. Veteran Tyrone Carter and rookie Anthony Smith (or possibly Mike Logan) will start for the injured Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark. The key for the Browns will be to pick up the Steelers blitzes and give Anderson some time. If they do, TE Kellen Winslow II and WR Braylon Edwards should have no problems finding holes in the Steelers secondary.
What about the snow? What are your expectations for that affecting each passing game?
 
What about the snow? What are your expectations for that affecting each passing game?
From what I heard Pittsburgh is only expected to get about an inch, and most of that in the morning. I don't think it will be much of a factor. The field is going to wet and muddy though so the footing isn't going to be the greatest. The middle of Heinz field is really bad this time of year even on a dry day.
 
What about the snow? What are your expectations for that affecting each passing game?
From what I heard Pittsburgh is only expected to get about an inch, and most of that in the morning. I don't think it will be much of a factor. The field is going to wet and muddy though so the footing isn't going to be the greatest. The middle of Heinz field is really bad this time of year even on a dry day.
just for clarity 1-3" expected from this threadhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=293406

But for FF if you owned Braylon, Winslow, Washington, Holmes...would you expect a good game? What would your predictions be?

Steelers only threw for about 200 last week and the Browns running game with Wright and Droughns....

 
What about the snow? What are your expectations for that affecting each passing game?
From what I heard Pittsburgh is only expected to get about an inch, and most of that in the morning. I don't think it will be much of a factor. The field is going to wet and muddy though so the footing isn't going to be the greatest. The middle of Heinz field is really bad this time of year even on a dry day.
just for clarity 1-3" expected from this threadhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=293406

But for FF if you owned Braylon, Winslow, Washington, Holmes...would you expect a good game? What would your predictions be?

Steelers only threw for about 200 last week and the Browns running game with Wright and Droughns....
As I said before, I think all of those guys are question marks. One or two of them may very well have a good game but which one is anyone's guess. I watched the weather forecast at lunch time and 1-3" is expected in counties north of the city. Pittsburgh and communities to the south are expected to get about 1" and the bulk of that in the morning.

 
I think the Steelers are going to have a much harder time passing than the last meeting between these two.

The Browns CBs late time were Holly, Brown and Perry. Holly is doing a good job (much better than anyone expected) and Perry filled in nicely and then was injured the last few weeks. Brown is abysmal and the Steelers exploited this with hurry-up 3 WR sets in the last meeting.

This week Bodden and Holly will be the starters, Perry will be the nickel back and Brown will be on the bench (where he belongs).

I see the Steelers O having problems this week. If the Browns Oline can hold off the blitz and give Anderson some time, I think the Browns win this one.

 
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I think the Steelers are going to have a much harder time passing than the last meeting between these two.The Browns CBs late time were Holly, Brown and Perry. Holly is doing a good job (much better than anyone expected) and Perry filled in nicely and then was injured the last few weeks. Brown is abysmal and the Steelers exploited this with hurry-up 3 WR sets in the last meeting.This week Bodden and Holly will be the starters, Perry will be the nickel back and Brown will be on the bench (where he belongs).I see the Steelers O having problems this week. If the Browns Oline can hold off the blitz and give Anderson some time, I think the Browns win this one.
Could be but I think the Steelers stick to the run, even if it isn't working early. When they do throw I see them going with short and relatively safe passes unless they get behind.Don't forget, the Brown's offense accounted for a total of 6 points in the last game and that was with Frye in there. The Steelers will shut down the run and it will be up to Anderson to win the game. I don't know much about him but a guy making his first start on the road against one of the more complex defenses in the league is going to have his hands full. The blitz will be a big part of it but they are also going to try and confuse Anderson by showing different looks. I think if the Browns win it will be due to their special teams. Field position is going to be big in this game and they are much better than the Steeler's special teams.
 
I can't believe a Winslow owner would even consider sitting him. He's been far too good all season long - even if he didn't show much last week. I'm an Edwards owner and unless the weather is horrible I'm probably going to start him. He tore up the Steelers in the first matchup and if the Browns are forced to air it out he should have a good chance to do at least have a respectable game.

But I reserve the right to change my mind on this before gametime tomorrow night. :D

 
I have Winslow.

I sat him last week and am going to sit him again this week - I doubt that Anderson and the Browns are going to do much against the Steelers

 
I don't believe the trend will hold but the Steelers are 0-3 in Thursday games following Sunday games under Cowher.

 
I don't believe the trend will hold but the Steelers are 0-3 in Thursday games following Sunday games under Cowher.
Yeah, but how many of those games were home? I know that the infamous coin flip loss was at Detroit on Thanksgiving.Having witnessed first-hand how the short week combined with travel left my hometown Ravens unready to compete last Thursday, I'm really becoming a believer that the home team has a major advantage in Thursday games.
 
To quote one of my favorite sports blogs:

"Pittsburgh ranks 31st in the league at defending passes to #1 receivers (48.5%) and 24th at defending passes to #2 receivers (19.9%). For a point of comparison, the Steelers rank 3rd in the league at defending passes to "other" wide receivers (-64,5%). We saw the Browns take advantage of this a little bit in their last meeting, in particular on one play in which Braylon Edwards abused Ike Taylor and ran up the right sideline for a 63-yard gain."

Edwards will have another big day. Start him.

 
I don't want to sit Edwards...but I also have Witten on the bench, so I am kind of torn of who to play.

I want to go with Witten until I get proof the rookie can toss the ball.

 
NYCGangGreen said:
I don't want to sit Edwards...but I also have Witten on the bench, so I am kind of torn of who to play.I want to go with Witten until I get proof the rookie can toss the ball.
Stats wise Anderson did pretty well last week in limitted time, no?I don't think he's a rook is he? I thought he's in his 2nd year
 
Perry Van Hook said:
I have Winslow. I sat him last week and am going to sit him again this week - I doubt that Anderson and the Browns are going to do much against the Steelers
I'm benching him as well, in favor of Watson, who has been on my bench for most of the year. Watson has outperformed KW2 over the last 4-5 games, and I'll take Brady throwing to Watson in Miami over Anderson throwing to Winslow in the snow in PIT.
 
NYCGangGreen said:
I don't want to sit Edwards...but I also have Witten on the bench, so I am kind of torn of who to play.I want to go with Witten until I get proof the rookie can toss the ball.
Stats wise Anderson did pretty well last week in limitted time, no?I don't think he's a rook is he? I thought he's in his 2nd year
He is, but last week was his only NFL game experience. This will be his first start.
 
nxmehta said:
To quote one of my favorite sports blogs:"Pittsburgh ranks 31st in the league at defending passes to #1 receivers (48.5%) and 24th at defending passes to #2 receivers (19.9%). For a point of comparison, the Steelers rank 3rd in the league at defending passes to "other" wide receivers (-64,5%). We saw the Browns take advantage of this a little bit in their last meeting, in particular on one play in which Braylon Edwards abused Ike Taylor and ran up the right sideline for a 63-yard gain."Edwards will have another big day. Start him.
FWIW Ike Taylor was benched after that game. Bryant McFadden is now starting at CB. Edwards had a big day against the Steelers last game but here are his stats since the bye in Week 6:vs DEN: 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 TDsvs NYJ: 2 rec, 21 yds, 0 TD @SD: 7 rec, 66 yds, 1 TD@ATL: 3 rec, 31 yds, 1 TDPIT: 7 rec, 137 yds, 0 TDCIN: 2 rec, 29 yds, 0 TDsKC: 3 rec, 36 yds, 1 TDOther than the PIT and SD game, not real impressive. Now he has a virtual rookie QB throwing to him, on a short week, on the road, and in the cold and wind. He may turn out to have a good night but I think it is bold predicting a big game for him.
 
nxmehta said:
To quote one of my favorite sports blogs:

"Pittsburgh ranks 31st in the league at defending passes to #1 receivers (48.5%) and 24th at defending passes to #2 receivers (19.9%). For a point of comparison, the Steelers rank 3rd in the league at defending passes to "other" wide receivers (-64,5%). We saw the Browns take advantage of this a little bit in their last meeting, in particular on one play in which Braylon Edwards abused Ike Taylor and ran up the right sideline for a 63-yard gain."

Edwards will have another big day. Start him.
FWIW Ike Taylor was benched after that game. Bryant McFadden is now starting at CB. Edwards had a big day against the Steelers last game but here are his stats since the bye in Week 6:vs DEN: 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 TDs

vs NYJ: 2 rec, 21 yds, 0 TD

@SD: 7 rec, 66 yds, 1 TD

@ATL: 3 rec, 31 yds, 1 TD

PIT: 7 rec, 137 yds, 0 TD

CIN: 2 rec, 29 yds, 0 TDs

KC: 3 rec, 36 yds, 1 TD

Other than the PIT and SD game, not real impressive. Now he has a virtual rookie QB throwing to him, on a short week, on the road, and in the cold and wind.

He may turn out to have a good night but I think it is bold predicting a big game for him.
Like I said earlier, this was when the complaining with Frye and being late for meetings BS started.
 
nxmehta said:
To quote one of my favorite sports blogs:"Pittsburgh ranks 31st in the league at defending passes to #1 receivers (48.5%) and 24th at defending passes to #2 receivers (19.9%). For a point of comparison, the Steelers rank 3rd in the league at defending passes to "other" wide receivers (-64,5%). We saw the Browns take advantage of this a little bit in their last meeting, in particular on one play in which Braylon Edwards abused Ike Taylor and ran up the right sideline for a 63-yard gain."Edwards will have another big day. Start him.
FWIW Ike Taylor was benched after that game. Bryant McFadden is now starting at CB. Edwards had a big day against the Steelers last game but here are his stats since the bye in Week 6:vs DEN: 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 TDsvs NYJ: 2 rec, 21 yds, 0 TD @SD: 7 rec, 66 yds, 1 TD@ATL: 3 rec, 31 yds, 1 TDPIT: 7 rec, 137 yds, 0 TDCIN: 2 rec, 29 yds, 0 TDsKC: 3 rec, 36 yds, 1 TDOther than the PIT and SD game, not real impressive. Now he has a virtual rookie QB throwing to him, on a short week, on the road, and in the cold and wind. He may turn out to have a good night but I think it is bold predicting a big game for him.
From a fantasy perspective, he's been very productive lately. He's scored 3 TDs in his last five games and in one of the other two he had a huge yardage total (which happened to come against this week's opponent). The other game (Cincinnati) is a game in which I'll bet anything he was being disciplined which explains why he didn't get a single target in the first half. I don't anticipate that happening again so while it hurts his production it may not be something we'll see again (at least hopefully).If you've been starting Edwards as a WR3 I think he's been rewarding you. I've had no issues with him in the last five games other than the Bengals game. Right now he's in my lineup because this is a game where I believe the Browns will have to throw a lot and he did very well against Pittsburgh in the first meeting and the Steelers have had all sorts of issues with No. 1 WRs. The only way he's coming out is if the weather becomes a major issue - and I'm more concerned about high gusty winds than snow. I plan on waiting right up until game time to see the weather report from the field. Last week's weather report did not come close to being accurate and the game was in no way impacted. If I start Edwards and he stinks, that will hurt but given how productive he's been for the past several games and given how productive he was in the first meeting between these two teams I can't see sitting him for an inferior option unless the weather forces my hand.Just my :2cents:
 
nxmehta said:
To quote one of my favorite sports blogs:"Pittsburgh ranks 31st in the league at defending passes to #1 receivers (48.5%) and 24th at defending passes to #2 receivers (19.9%). For a point of comparison, the Steelers rank 3rd in the league at defending passes to "other" wide receivers (-64,5%). We saw the Browns take advantage of this a little bit in their last meeting, in particular on one play in which Braylon Edwards abused Ike Taylor and ran up the right sideline for a 63-yard gain."Edwards will have another big day. Start him.
FWIW Ike Taylor was benched after that game. Bryant McFadden is now starting at CB. Edwards had a big day against the Steelers last game but here are his stats since the bye in Week 6:vs DEN: 2 rec, 6 yds, 0 TDsvs NYJ: 2 rec, 21 yds, 0 TD @SD: 7 rec, 66 yds, 1 TD@ATL: 3 rec, 31 yds, 1 TDPIT: 7 rec, 137 yds, 0 TDCIN: 2 rec, 29 yds, 0 TDsKC: 3 rec, 36 yds, 1 TDOther than the PIT and SD game, not real impressive. Now he has a virtual rookie QB throwing to him, on a short week, on the road, and in the cold and wind. He may turn out to have a good night but I think it is bold predicting a big game for him.
From a fantasy perspective, he's been very productive lately. He's scored 3 TDs in his last five games and in one of the other two he had a huge yardage total (which happened to come against this week's opponent). The other game (Cincinnati) is a game in which I'll bet anything he was being disciplined which explains why he didn't get a single target in the first half. I don't anticipate that happening again so while it hurts his production it may not be something we'll see again (at least hopefully).If you've been starting Edwards as a WR3 I think he's been rewarding you. I've had no issues with him in the last five games other than the Bengals game. Right now he's in my lineup because this is a game where I believe the Browns will have to throw a lot and he did very well against Pittsburgh in the first meeting and the Steelers have had all sorts of issues with No. 1 WRs. The only way he's coming out is if the weather becomes a major issue - and I'm more concerned about high gusty winds than snow. I plan on waiting right up until game time to see the weather report from the field. Last week's weather report did not come close to being accurate and the game was in no way impacted. If I start Edwards and he stinks, that will hurt but given how productive he's been for the past several games and given how productive he was in the first meeting between these two teams I can't see sitting him for an inferior option unless the weather forces my hand.Just my :2cents:
Any way you look at it, Edwards' weekly production has been quite volatile. I absolutely cannot afford to start a guy that has just as likely a chance of going 2/30 as 7/100. The downside risk is way too high for the first week of fantasy playoffs -- especially when you take into account the cold weather, high winds, QB making his first start, Pitt def. at home, etc. I'll note that Edwards has been in my lineup all season long as a flex (WR4), and I think the right move is to finally bench him for my first playoff game (T. Jones will likely be the replacement). Still a tough decision though.
 

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