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1st batch of newsletters just went out.I love to gamble. I am also not afraid to admit that I love to gamble when there is no edge in my favor. For every time I find an arbitrage where if you bet $1000.00 on Team A at +130 and $1250.00 on Team B at -120 and win $45.00 no matter who wins (once per day makes you an extra $16,000 per year), Mr. Johnny Detroit is a sucker for a Wheel of Fortune slot machine in hopes of getting to hear "Wheel....of.....Fortuneeeee". I love pools. I love squares. I really love contests. So besides playing in numerous fantasy leagues, I plan to enter tons of handicapping contests for the upcoming football season. Out of all these unique football contests, one of my favorites is the infamous NFL Survivor Contest where you pick one team per week with no spread and move on if you win under the ruling that the chosen team can never be picked again. So being a betting nerd and a betting junkie at the same time, I am going into the contest this year with a strategy that should increase my chances of winning. Nothing is 100% and with all the babbling and math you are about to read, there is still the chance I get knocked out in week #1 and the waitress who picks the nice jersey each week cashes out in the end. So here we go.....First off I pulled the projected lines for the NFL season by Cantor Gaming for their Las Vegas properties (Cosmopolitan, Hard Rock, M, Venetian, Tropicana, etc). Four Cantor oddsmakers set lines for each game individually and after the games were reviewed, Mike Colbert (Cantor's overall race and sports director) made the final ruling. These numbers were released in June.Second, I pulled the projected season win totals and focused on the teams expected to be bottom dwellers. The Carolina Panthers are only expected to win 4-5 games this season and I can play against them 6 to 7 times on the road as close to double digit underdogs each time. Teams favored by 10 or more at home win at around a 84.4% clip. Yes, I am quite aware of the "any given Sunday" stuff, but you can't pass up something winning at that type or percentage.Third, the schedule was reviewed and emphasis was put on homes teams and the ability to not use the top tiered teams until they provided the most bang for their buck. For example, why use New England Patriots on the road -7.0 in week #1 when they could be saved until week #11 at home as potential -11.5 favorites over the Chiefs on Monday Night Football. In week #11 and being a -10.0+ favorite at home the Patriots (using long term historically data) are 84.4% to win outright versus being 73% in week #1 on the road at -7.0. Overall a home favorite of -7.0 should win outright 82% of the time, while a road favorite of -7.0 is at 76%. Taking the Cardinals over the Patriots might seem odd, but the math on each is close in week #1 and allows me to save the Patriots late and get a 84% scenario.Week 1: Arizona Cardinals over Carolina Panthers (projected line -7.0, projected Carolina wins 4.5, projected Arizona wins 7.0, -7.0 home favorites 74%).Week 2: New York Jets over Jacksonville Jaguars (projected line -8.0, projected Jacksonville wins 6.5, projected New York Jets wins 10.0-11.0,-7.0+ home favorites 82%)Week 3: San Diego Charges over Kansas City Chiefs (projected line -6.0, projected Kansas City wins 7.5-8.0, projected San Diego wins 10, -6.0 home favorites 73%)Week 4: Chicago Bears over Carolina Panthers (projected line -12.0, projected Chicago wins 8.5-9.0, -10.0+ home favorites 84%)Week 5: New York Giants over Seattle Seahawks (projected line -7.5, projected Seattle wins 6.0-6.5, projected New York wins 9.0-9.5)Week 6: Atlanta Falcons over Carolina Panthers (projected line -12.5, projected Atlanta wins 10.5-11.0)Week 7: Miami Dolphins over Denver Broncos (projected line Miami -6.0, projected Denver wins 5.5-6.0, projected Miami wins 7.5-8.0)Week 8: Baltimore Ravens over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -11.0, projected Baltimore wins 10.5-11.0)Week 9: Dallas Cowboys over Seattle Seahawks (projected line Dallas -6.5, projected Dallas wins 9.0-9.5)Week 10: Philadelphia Eagles over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -10.5, projected Philadelphia wins 10.5-11.0)Week 11: New England Patriots (MNF) over Kansas City Chiefs (projected line -10.0, projected New England win 11.5-12.0)**Week 12: Indianapolis Colts over Carolina Panthers (projected line with Manning -11.5) or back-up of St. Louis Cardinals over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -6.5, projected St. Louis wins 7.5-8.0)Week 13: Tampa Bay Buccaneers over Carolina Panthers (projected line Tampa Bay -9.0, projected Tampa Bay wins 8.0)Week 14: Pittsburgh Steelers over Cleveland Browns (projected line -9.0, projected Pittsburgh wins 10.5-11.0)Week 15: Houston Texans over Carolina Panthers (projected line Houston -8.0, projected Houston wins 8.5-9.0)Week 16: Cincinnati Bengals over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -7.0, Cincinnati projected wins 6.0)Week 17: New Orleans Saints over Carolina Panthers (projected line -11.0, New Orleans projected wins 10.5-11.0)*all above selections are home teams**planned ahead in the event the Colts have no Manning and the back-up is a clusterEven though there is a 16% chance I lose in week #1, overall I think the above scenarios and scheduling gives me a great shot at getting deep into the tournament. In later weeks when most people exhaust teams like the Patriots, Steelers, or Saints I am not forced to take teams -3.0 or -4.0 where the outright win rate is only around 59%. Even if the Panthers shock the Cardinals this weekend, I stand behind the selections over the length of a complete season. Injuries or changes on a roster can totally toss the above out the window, but as of now it is based with the information available at time of this post. Regardless of the outcome, I wish everyone the best of luck this season and would love any feedback on where you agree or disagree with the picks above.
I took Arizona just like you did in week 1. I think I'm going to play Pittsburgh this week instead of week 14, however, and save the Jets for week 14 when they play KC at home.
Johnny, any re-assment of this after watching the first two weeks of the season. Going against Carolina 7 times seems like it might not be such as good an idea as it was preseason. Just curious if you have any thoughts or deviations from this original plan.I'm laughing as I played over 9 for the first quarter of this byu/ucf game. win on the last play of quarter, crazy. I;m a lucky bastage sometimes.
I wouldn't use JD's strategy. The cantor lines were posted in June. Lots of free agent movement when the lockout ended and we have a lot more information 2 weeks into the season now.
 
Just got the word from my totals-killing bud. :D

usc is going to win at arizona state

auburn/fau over 58 is cash, too - auburn could score that by themselves, and they have real problems on defense
In on the over 58 for 1 unit. ML parlay with USC and the auburn/fau over 1/2 unit to win 160.

Live betting took UCF -4 -130 to win 1/2 unit. They look like the better team from what I'm watching

 
1st batch of newsletters just went out.I love to gamble. I am also not afraid to admit that I love to gamble when there is no edge in my favor. For every time I find an arbitrage where if you bet $1000.00 on Team A at +130 and $1250.00 on Team B at -120 and win $45.00 no matter who wins (once per day makes you an extra $16,000 per year), Mr. Johnny Detroit is a sucker for a Wheel of Fortune slot machine in hopes of getting to hear "Wheel....of.....Fortuneeeee". I love pools. I love squares. I really love contests. So besides playing in numerous fantasy leagues, I plan to enter tons of handicapping contests for the upcoming football season. Out of all these unique football contests, one of my favorites is the infamous NFL Survivor Contest where you pick one team per week with no spread and move on if you win under the ruling that the chosen team can never be picked again. So being a betting nerd and a betting junkie at the same time, I am going into the contest this year with a strategy that should increase my chances of winning. Nothing is 100% and with all the babbling and math you are about to read, there is still the chance I get knocked out in week #1 and the waitress who picks the nice jersey each week cashes out in the end. So here we go.....First off I pulled the projected lines for the NFL season by Cantor Gaming for their Las Vegas properties (Cosmopolitan, Hard Rock, M, Venetian, Tropicana, etc). Four Cantor oddsmakers set lines for each game individually and after the games were reviewed, Mike Colbert (Cantor's overall race and sports director) made the final ruling. These numbers were released in June.Second, I pulled the projected season win totals and focused on the teams expected to be bottom dwellers. The Carolina Panthers are only expected to win 4-5 games this season and I can play against them 6 to 7 times on the road as close to double digit underdogs each time. Teams favored by 10 or more at home win at around a 84.4% clip. Yes, I am quite aware of the "any given Sunday" stuff, but you can't pass up something winning at that type or percentage.Third, the schedule was reviewed and emphasis was put on homes teams and the ability to not use the top tiered teams until they provided the most bang for their buck. For example, why use New England Patriots on the road -7.0 in week #1 when they could be saved until week #11 at home as potential -11.5 favorites over the Chiefs on Monday Night Football. In week #11 and being a -10.0+ favorite at home the Patriots (using long term historically data) are 84.4% to win outright versus being 73% in week #1 on the road at -7.0. Overall a home favorite of -7.0 should win outright 82% of the time, while a road favorite of -7.0 is at 76%. Taking the Cardinals over the Patriots might seem odd, but the math on each is close in week #1 and allows me to save the Patriots late and get a 84% scenario.Week 1: Arizona Cardinals over Carolina Panthers (projected line -7.0, projected Carolina wins 4.5, projected Arizona wins 7.0, -7.0 home favorites 74%).Week 2: New York Jets over Jacksonville Jaguars (projected line -8.0, projected Jacksonville wins 6.5, projected New York Jets wins 10.0-11.0,-7.0+ home favorites 82%)Week 3: San Diego Charges over Kansas City Chiefs (projected line -6.0, projected Kansas City wins 7.5-8.0, projected San Diego wins 10, -6.0 home favorites 73%)Week 4: Chicago Bears over Carolina Panthers (projected line -12.0, projected Chicago wins 8.5-9.0, -10.0+ home favorites 84%)Week 5: New York Giants over Seattle Seahawks (projected line -7.5, projected Seattle wins 6.0-6.5, projected New York wins 9.0-9.5)Week 6: Atlanta Falcons over Carolina Panthers (projected line -12.5, projected Atlanta wins 10.5-11.0)Week 7: Miami Dolphins over Denver Broncos (projected line Miami -6.0, projected Denver wins 5.5-6.0, projected Miami wins 7.5-8.0)Week 8: Baltimore Ravens over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -11.0, projected Baltimore wins 10.5-11.0)Week 9: Dallas Cowboys over Seattle Seahawks (projected line Dallas -6.5, projected Dallas wins 9.0-9.5)Week 10: Philadelphia Eagles over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -10.5, projected Philadelphia wins 10.5-11.0)Week 11: New England Patriots (MNF) over Kansas City Chiefs (projected line -10.0, projected New England win 11.5-12.0)**Week 12: Indianapolis Colts over Carolina Panthers (projected line with Manning -11.5) or back-up of St. Louis Cardinals over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -6.5, projected St. Louis wins 7.5-8.0)Week 13: Tampa Bay Buccaneers over Carolina Panthers (projected line Tampa Bay -9.0, projected Tampa Bay wins 8.0)Week 14: Pittsburgh Steelers over Cleveland Browns (projected line -9.0, projected Pittsburgh wins 10.5-11.0)Week 15: Houston Texans over Carolina Panthers (projected line Houston -8.0, projected Houston wins 8.5-9.0)Week 16: Cincinnati Bengals over Arizona Cardinals (projected line -7.0, Cincinnati projected wins 6.0)Week 17: New Orleans Saints over Carolina Panthers (projected line -11.0, New Orleans projected wins 10.5-11.0)*all above selections are home teams**planned ahead in the event the Colts have no Manning and the back-up is a clusterEven though there is a 16% chance I lose in week #1, overall I think the above scenarios and scheduling gives me a great shot at getting deep into the tournament. In later weeks when most people exhaust teams like the Patriots, Steelers, or Saints I am not forced to take teams -3.0 or -4.0 where the outright win rate is only around 59%. Even if the Panthers shock the Cardinals this weekend, I stand behind the selections over the length of a complete season. Injuries or changes on a roster can totally toss the above out the window, but as of now it is based with the information available at time of this post. Regardless of the outcome, I wish everyone the best of luck this season and would love any feedback on where you agree or disagree with the picks above.
I took Arizona just like you did in week 1. I think I'm going to play Pittsburgh this week instead of week 14, however, and save the Jets for week 14 when they play KC at home.
Johnny, any re-assment of this after watching the first two weeks of the season. Going against Carolina 7 times seems like it might not be such as good an idea as it was preseason. Just curious if you have any thoughts or deviations from this original plan.I'm laughing as I played over 9 for the first quarter of this byu/ucf game. win on the last play of quarter, crazy. I;m a lucky bastage sometimes.
I wouldn't use JD's strategy. The cantor lines were posted in June. Lots of free agent movement when the lockout ended and we have a lot more information 2 weeks into the season now.
Yea, not to mention that Carolina is no longer the #1 team to fade. I used Johnny's strategy as a template and made adjustments. Swapped the Steelers and Jets (Steelers had SEattle last week and the Jets have KC at home in week 14). I'm rolling with the Chargers this week just like JOhnny, as this is the best week of the season to use them, but I've made several other changes. I'll post what I'm doing next week.
 
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lumpy, thoughts on teaser card? Any thing look to move in range?
Forgive me - but isn't this whole teaser thing straight forward? a line is either set at 1.5-2.5 or 9.5-8.5 or it's not? Am I missing something? It's all about crossing 7 and 3 no?
yeah, but lumpy tends to think a little outside the box on these.
Oh one other group that's playable this week that's not normally, lots of games lined at 3.5, if they end up at -3(-115 to -130ish), 6.5 pt teasers to +3.5DetCarNYJAZGB
I think you throw the Eagles in every one of your teaser legs this week. They should kick the crap out of the Giants, getting the number under a FG should be gold :scared:
 
UCLA is getting 4.5 points against one of the few teams in the country worse than them, and I will be unloading the balance of my account on them. This is the week they take a step back toward mediocrity. :thumbup:

 
UCLA is getting 4.5 points against one of the few teams in the country worse than them, and I will be unloading the balance of my account on them. This is the week they take a step back toward mediocrity. :thumbup:
Tell me about it. CSU is getting 11 points at Utah State. ELEVEN!!! What in the mutherfuk is that??? And it opened at around 8. Sickening.
 
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lumpy, thoughts on teaser card? Any thing look to move in range?
Forgive me - but isn't this whole teaser thing straight forward? a line is either set at 1.5-2.5 or 9.5-8.5 or it's not? Am I missing something? It's all about crossing 7 and 3 no?
yeah, but lumpy tends to think a little outside the box on these.
Oh one other group that's playable this week that's not normally, lots of games lined at 3.5, if they end up at -3(-115 to -130ish), 6.5 pt teasers to +3.5DetCarNYJAZGB
I think you throw the Eagles in every one of your teaser legs this week. They should kick the crap out of the Giants, getting the number under a FG should be gold :scared:
I like a 6.5 teaser with the Eagles -2.5 and Chargers -8. A lot of points on the Chargers but I have a hard time seeing the Chiefs keep it close.
 
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I have nothing in the early games.

Gonna keep the momentum rolling with the 3:30 games, I'll have those out in a few.

 
I have nothing in the early games.Gonna keep the momentum rolling with the 3:30 games, I'll have those out in a few.
I don't like much today, but I sucked so bad last week I'm feeling a little shy with the trigger. The one value I like is the Ok St ML at +170. I think A&M is a slight fav due to playing at home, at +170 I'll take Ok st all day. I'm also tailing RN's totals pal with O Auburn and USC.
 
************************* FREE MONEY ALERT ****************************

Sports book has the Zach Line 1H TD prop still up at -190 - he already has 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Might not pay - but empty out the account.

 
************************* FREE MONEY ALERT ****************************Sports book has the Zach Line 1H TD prop still up at -190 - he already has 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Might not pay - but empty out the account.
I don't recommend this.
Too late - they took it down. Worst thing that happens is they void the bet.
Worst thing is cut to $1. I know several people that were cut for doing things much less severe (in SB mind) than emptying out their accounts on a bet that has already started (and won).
 
************************* FREE MONEY ALERT ****************************Sports book has the Zach Line 1H TD prop still up at -190 - he already has 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Might not pay - but empty out the account.
I don't recommend this.
Too late - they took it down. Worst thing that happens is they void the bet.
Worst thing is cut to $1. I know several people that were cut for doing things much less severe (in SB mind) than emptying out their accounts on a bet that has already started (and won).
:shrug: I have seen this in hockey three other times in the past and they paid all 3 times and never said a word and had nothing cut.I don't bet NFl player props much - so if they cut me to $1 it wouldn't really bother me much. Good to know though - if they shut me off with hockey I'd be fairly upset about it.
 
************************* FREE MONEY ALERT ****************************Sports book has the Zach Line 1H TD prop still up at -190 - he already has 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Might not pay - but empty out the account.
I don't recommend this.
Too late - they took it down. Worst thing that happens is they void the bet.
Worst thing is cut to $1. I know several people that were cut for doing things much less severe (in SB mind) than emptying out their accounts on a bet that has already started (and won).
:shrug: I have seen this in hockey three other times in the past and they paid all 3 times and never said a word and had nothing cut.I don't bet NFl player props much - so if they cut me to $1 it wouldn't really bother me much. Good to know though - if they shut me off with hockey I'd be fairly upset about it.
A cut on any one sport will get you cut on props across the board. In today's age where you can't just easily open up another account or five if/when you get cut, I just wouldn't risk it.
 
************************* FREE MONEY ALERT ****************************Sports book has the Zach Line 1H TD prop still up at -190 - he already has 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Might not pay - but empty out the account.
I don't recommend this.
Too late - they took it down. Worst thing that happens is they void the bet.
Worst thing is cut to $1. I know several people that were cut for doing things much less severe (in SB mind) than emptying out their accounts on a bet that has already started (and won).
:shrug: I have seen this in hockey three other times in the past and they paid all 3 times and never said a word and had nothing cut.I don't bet NFl player props much - so if they cut me to $1 it wouldn't really bother me much. Good to know though - if they shut me off with hockey I'd be fairly upset about it.
A cut on any one sport will get you cut on props across the board. In today's age where you can't just easily open up another account or five if/when you get cut, I just wouldn't risk it.
well too late now - lets see what happens.
 
Here we go:

1u So. Miss +3

1u Kansas St. +13

1u Middle Tenn St +12.5

1u Idaho +3

1u Nevada +15.5

1u Tulsa +28

1u Southern Utah +10

YTD: 17-17 -0.5u

 
I hate eating heavy chalk in CFB, but I cannot resist this one.

I think the Sooners absolutely, positively CRUSH Mizzou. The Tigers haven't won SU in Norman since 1966. This one gets ugly.

OKLAHOMA -19.5

 
Well, last night UCF was a downer, back up, and then some thanks to posted plays SMU and UGA...

Bowling Green finishing strong, and Ball St pounding Army. Ohio U behind 11 but plenty of time, so the posted ML dogs are up, too...

I'm with bmj (small, though) on Idaho +3, Nevada +15.5, and Tulsa +28...

Still looking forward to LSU/WVU...laid on U48, now at 47. Starting to think LSU is going to wax the Mountaineers, and that -6 is a gift from above...

Good Luck!

 
Well, last night UCF was a downer, back up, and then some thanks to posted plays SMU and UGA...

Bowling Green finishing strong, and Ball St pounding Army. Ohio U behind 11 but plenty of time, so the posted ML dogs are up, too...

I'm with bmj (small, though) on Idaho +3, Nevada +15.5, and Tulsa +28...

Still looking forward to LSU/WVU...laid on U48, now at 47. Starting to think LSU is going to wax the Mountaineers, and that -6 is a gift from above...

Good Luck!
I'm thinking the same. I have some on LSU already, but plan on loading up if 'Bama covers.

 
************************* FREE MONEY ALERT ****************************Sports book has the Zach Line 1H TD prop still up at -190 - he already has 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Might not pay - but empty out the account.
Thanks for the PM Heads up man! Was at the game so missed this. :thumbup:
 
\Also rocking the following NCAA Plays by 3's and 4 this week:CINCY -1.5 :thumbup: (thanks numbles!)GEORGIA -2.5 :thumbup:LSU pkSMU -15.5 :thumbup:
Come on LSU! :unsure:
Love it when a plan comes together...Love LSU tonight
ALready +3.5 units on one of the 3 teamers.Have equivalent of 18 units sitting on this LSU game at LSU pkBought off 4u at WVU +7.5 +100 for a tiny bit of insurance wiht an opportunity for a nice middle.
 
NFL teasers I played this week

SF +2.5

NE -7

Phi -8.5

Mia +2

Ten -7

Oak +3

Atl +1.5

If houston makes it to 4.5 I might add that but I already bet houston straight up at +5, still not sure. Nothing else looks that good.

I'll be watching that OAK game closely, all the teasers and my biggest bet of the week on oak +3.5

 
didnt get home in time to play the over in the auburn game...hope it hits for you guys :boxing:

tomorrow im taking

colt mccoy over 207.5 passing yards

andy dalton over 18 completions

bears over 45

bears +4

lions -3

 
NFL teasers I played this weekSF +2.5NE -7Phi -8.5Mia +2Ten -7Oak +3Atl +1.5If houston makes it to 4.5 I might add that but I already bet houston straight up at +5, still not sure. Nothing else looks that good.I'll be watching that OAK game closely, all the teasers and my biggest bet of the week on oak +3.5
Riding along with: Titans -1 / New England -2.5 / Giants -1 / Miami +9 / Atlanta +7.5 / SanFran +7.5 by 3's. Thanks and gllll :thumbup:
 
I'm surprised more people aren't on Det. is this a trap?
Minnesota is one of my favorite plays of the day. They just hosted Tampa and were 3 point favorites. Now they're 3.5 point dogs at home to Detroit? That's a massive line overreaction simply because Detroit blew out Kansas City. Add in the fact that it's a divisional game and Minnesota needs this win or they're basically out and I think they win straight up. I'm loving getting 3.5.
 
I need to find some indian call center worker to put in teasers for me.

on all of them but philly which moved out of range.

 
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Horrible day yesterday. My picks AND Boy Wonder's picks crapped the bed. Sorry if anyone tailed. :(

Great work yesterday [icon] ... :thumbup:

Lumpy, the ATL leg of that teaser round robin is STEALING!!!

BREAKING NEWS: Hillis is OUT for Cleveland. Hardesty to start.

I'm gonna hope the over train keeps chugging along:

N.E./BUF o54

Hou/N.O. o52.5

Den/TEN o 43

 
MIA line moved from +2 to -1.5 moving it out of teaser range if you have not played it yet.

Love the over train RN, all aboard.

Also, I think Buff keeps this within the 7 points. This will be a shootout; NE is missing Chung; Buff is starting to buy in to themselves. I think Buffalo covers this.

I also like Oak at home versus the NYJ today! Sanchez on the road, without his starting center, after a cross country trip. I think McFadden has a decent day and Moore wins a jump ball or two on Reavis island :yes:

GLTA

AB

 

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