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FFA Wagering Thread: THERE HE IS!@! (6 Viewers)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
They didn't give Max enough runs in the 1st.
John Bender
Footballguy
It's days like today I'm glad to be single with no kids. Instead of spending a ####ty holiday having to talk to real life people, I get to sit on my couch and watch the Masters for 5 hours with Yahoo Baseball StatTracker open on the laptop, a few dollars in play on baseball wagering, a couple Yuenglings, and the new OOTP Baseball Simulation game on the iPad.
God Bless easter
God Bless easter
MarshallPlan
Footballguy
It's days like today I'm glad to be single with no kids. Instead of spending a ####ty holiday having to talk to real life people, I get to sit on my couch and watch the Masters for 5 hours with Yahoo Baseball StatTracker open on the laptop, a few dollars in play on baseball wagering, a couple Yuenglings, and the new OOTP Baseball Simulation game on the iPad.
Is there really no active thread for the Masters on Sunday?
Oosthuizen just hit a double eagle on the 2nd hole? Sick.
Oosthuizen just hit a double eagle on the 2nd hole? Sick.
John Bender
Footballguy
That was absolutely amazing. Rooting for Phil, but I love that guy.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Was going back and forth between the game and first five over, I chose the wrong one.
Sea Leopard of Death
Footballguy
@ the subtitle.
John Bender
Footballguy
Benders Dog o The Dayittsburgh Pirates +1202-1, +1.20 unit
McCutchen walk off single
modogg
Footballguy
i tailed you on this one Frost, it was a nice ride for the guy and kept me interested for the most part. Would have been great to cash it, but maybe next time.
BRONG
FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY
BRONG's dog o' The Day: Fade the crap out of way overvalued Woods.
Day in, day out, and for the tourney, this was 
. Jimenez alone paid 2 to 1 the first two days. What a crazy amount of hype that was.Happy Easter, I'm with Bender. 
ChainsawU
Footballguy
Harrington played a good round of golf today.
John Bender
Footballguy
Too that guy asking if he should hedge his Mickelson bet> you should hedge on Ooost and Bubba
ChainsawU
Footballguy
Thinking about getting down on this as well..
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John Bender
Footballguy
Grades out well with my system. Bet with confidence
ChainsawU
Footballguy
Not sure what it means to the game, but Napoli not listed in the starting lineup..Grades out well with my system. Bet with confidence
John Bender
Footballguy
I like the under tonight.
.5U on Rangers/Palehose under 9 for me.
.5U on Rangers/Palehose under 9 for me.
derek245583
Footballguy
Well, I am glad I didn't fade bubba
bryan11joseph
Footballguy
I should have hedged with Bubba!! I KNEW IT!Too that guy asking if he should hedge his Mickelson bet> you should hedge on Ooost and Bubba
John Bender
Footballguy
For serious.if I wasn't drunk, I'd find my post and bump it and laugh at myself.Feel free. Funny thing is, the reason I faded him wasn't far off - he's wild. i didn't account for the fact that everytime he got into the pinstraw he would snap hook it onto the green better than if he was in the fairway.
Oops.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
TheWick
Footballguy
:thumbsup:
The Ref
Footballguy
tail...
derek245583
Footballguy
Well, I didn't exactly give him a vote of confidence...I just hope you didn't actually bet itThing about Augusta is, and I mentioned Wednesday, you can just bomb it down there and "figure it out" once you get to your ball...no rough and trees are sparseThere is a reason tiger, Phil, etc can compete year in and year outFor serious.if I wasn't drunk, I'd find my post and bump it and laugh at myself.Feel free. Funny thing is, the reason I faded him wasn't far off - he's wild. i didn't account for the fact that everytime he got into the pinstraw he would snap hook it onto the green better than if he was in the fairway.
John Bender
Footballguy
I faded him in my matchups, him and Kaymer. Ended up 2-3.Well, I didn't exactly give him a vote of confidence...I just hope you didn't actually bet itThing about Augusta is, and I mentioned Wednesday, you can just bomb it down there and "figure it out" once you get to your ball...no rough and trees are sparseThere is a reason tiger, Phil, etc can compete year in and year outFor serious.if I wasn't drunk, I'd find my post and bump it and laugh at myself.Feel free. Funny thing is, the reason I faded him wasn't far off - he's wild. i didn't account for the fact that everytime he got into the pinstraw he would snap hook it onto the green better than if he was in the fairway.
BRONG
FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY
Grades out well with my system. Bet with confidence
John Bender
Footballguy
Grades out well with my system. Bet with confidence
literally. Was hoping someone would laugh at that.
The Ref
Footballguy
And now I took the over 7 and playing for a middle.
John Bender
Footballguy
I have a feeling that error/double is going to bite us in the ###. The under has been right on target so far...until that ####.
John Bender
Footballguy
I know there's a thread on it but anyone know anything about electronic cigarettes? I've been buying the ones from Walgreens for 9 bucks that are the equivalent of 2 packs of cigarettes but they aren't rechargeable.
Help?
Help?
John Bender
Footballguy
I have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO. It's a good service
It's a good service
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
I have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO.
modogg
Footballguy
Well, i got something to gripe about. Is the White Sox line-up supposed to be this impotent? They do a great job of getting guys to 2nd or 3rd, and doing a whole lot of nothing with it. Should of went to one of those ####ty Easter parties Bender referred to instead of sitting around pissing away moneyI have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO.
John Bender
Footballguy
I posted winners for you 3 straight days in a row my friend. Underdog winners at that. You're on official notice.Well, i got something to gripe about. Is the White Sox line-up supposed to be this impotent? They do a great job of getting guys to 2nd or 3rd, and doing a whole lot of nothing with it. Should of went to one of those ####ty Easter parties Bender referred to instead of sitting around pissing away moneyI have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
White Sux running out every rookie pitcher in their system making this difficult.
John Bender
Footballguy
Fo realz
modogg
Footballguy
'John Bender said:I posted winners for you 3 straight days in a row my friend. Underdog winners at that. You're on official notice.'modogg said:Well, i got something to gripe about. Is the White Sox line-up supposed to be this impotent? They do a great job of getting guys to 2nd or 3rd, and doing a whole lot of nothing with it. Should of went to one of those ####ty Easter parties Bender referred to instead of sitting around pissing away money'Angry Beavers said:'John Bender said:I have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO.
alright bud, here is hoping your magic can continue then.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
good call on that under Bender, sometimes 2-2 days are comforting.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
He certainly made it interesting, just too much ground to make up in the end.'modogg said:
bmj87
Footballguy
Full disclaimer: I LOVE EVO. It is a very well-run sportsbook, the lines are top-notch, and the customer service is beyond awesome. Payment is prompt and there has never been any issues when I asked Kurt for anything.However, I don't appreciate the finger-pointing and making excuses for shutting down props.'oukurt said:
We started out with the honor system. We send our plays and props will be provided at a 5c discount (which was discontinued pretty quickly after GooRoo hit about 10 SOG props in a row).
We had a slight issue on March 21 regarding "stale lines" and this was the first that I heard of it being an issue:
03/21
oukurt: “Are you sure the vig on your SOG bets is correct?. I bet these at Sports Book the same time these were sent to me and vig on all 3 games was -125.”
bmj87: “No, actually I wasn't sure this time because I was on the road. I just got the email from GooRoo and sent them over to RN pretty much immediately.
You can be assured that I'm not trying to post "old" vigs/lines just to get over on you guys. Most of the time I check sportsbook.com to double-check the lines.
I apologize for the stale lines this time, it was a rare occasion where I was on the road and didn't have access to much else.
Won't happen again in the future.”
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I apologized, made sure it wouldn't happen again. I cannot say the same for others, but this was the only mention to me of people sending stale lines.
There were expectations of us to be honest and obviously, we want the same in return from the people running our sportsbook. The following is an issue I ran into a prop was available both at SB and on the EVO website.
03/23
oukurt: “Note - The Milsapp points + reb is available at Evo and must be bet there and not using the Sports Book line. Thanks”
bmj87: “So if evo has the same prop, I have to bet whichever line is worse?”
oukurt: “No, of course not. If Evo offers the prop (which they rarely do) then you have to bet the Evo line whether it is a better or worse line.”
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I was only told when the line was worse on EVO, btw. To test this, I sent three plays over the next week that were available at both SB and EVO and EVO had a better line. I never got a heads up saying “You have no action on these props, they are available at EVO.”
The very next day, I asked oukurt why I had no action on a prop that I sent prior to him and RN “being in the office." This was under the assumption that we were still on the honor system because he told me he would be home between 2-3pm CT and I could send him the plays.
03/24
oukurt: “I can't go by the honor system anymore because there was no honor the other night when I had customers sending me old lines.”
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We are not going by the honor system any more at this point. It's clear. After 03/24, the honor system is no longer in effect and should not be an issue when it comes to sending plays. This is now how it would work; the following was a dispute over a prop line that I sent:
03/26
oukurt: “This is how it works. I have all the different pages of prop bet lines pulled up and ready to go. When a customer sends his plays then I instantly click refresh to get the lines. These lines are accurate. The second each customer bet hits my inbox, the second, not a minute later, but the second it hits my inbox, I click line refresh and these are those lines. They are correct. Good luck.”
bmj87: “So there's no reason for me to check the lines before I send them? Just send you GooRoos props and you'll reply back with what the lines are at that time?”
oukurt: “Correct.”
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COOL. I never have to worry about checking lines again. RN and oukurt have this under control. I send them GR's plays, they send me back the line at the time of the e-mail.
And this is where I have the problem. Kurt said we "can't do props anymore because people wouldn't send correct lines." However, that was no longer an issue when the honor system was disbanded. After 03/24, I sent him GR's plays the minute he sent them out because I had no reason to check them. He was going to tell me what the lines were and I was never told otherwise.
I don't like being called a cheat. That I circumvented the system to get better lines. Anyone who knowingly and willingly takes GooRoo's bets is beyond insane. I don't know if it's pride or stupidity; but when you offer to take $300 limits on a guy who's made close to 500 units in the past 5 years, it is downright stupid.
I have absolutely ZERO problem shutting down the prop operation. I am not mad at Kurt in any way, shape, or form for not allowing us to bet props anymore. I completely understand, it's just ######ed to continue to bleed money. He seriously lost 5 days out of 60. It makes no sense to dump tens of thousands of dollars when you don't have to. Do you really think the operation would be shut down if we were losing tens of thousands of dollars, regardless of what lines we were sending? I just don't like the reasoning and how the whole thing went down. Just man up and say what every other sportsbook has said to GooRoo. "You're too good, we don't want you to play here anymore." Oh wait, you basically did on 03/27:
03/27
oukurt: “Nah it has been a struggle to keep the props from Sportsbook alive with as good as GooRoo is.”
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Kurt I love Evo and I love your customer service. I hope to be a customer for a very long time. I just don't like the way that this situation has played out.
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John Bender
Footballguy
Bought my first nice car thanks to GR a few years back when SB was still taking my action.
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John Bender
Footballguy
Anytime GB. Just keep the hockey plays coming. I tail 90% of them and just dont post about it because when I do, they lose (ask bmj)good call on that under Bender, sometimes 2-2 days are comforting.
BRONG
FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY
Fair enough, but why cut ALL of you off because SOME aren't playing by the rules? Why not just cut the offenders off? It's not like they can't identify exactly who it is, come on.Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like kurt used the bad customers as a scapegoat to get out of something he said he'd do. Which, by the way, helped get A LOT of customers in the first place. Since when did books group customers together like that?If the real issue, and this is what interests me, is that kurt is getting beat by gooroo so bad that he just can't handle it anymore, then just say so. With all the "integrity" claims I constantly see thrown around in here, the irony therein is certainly funny...to say the least.'John Bender said:I have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
1st round of NHL playoffs because of the value is my busiest betting period of the year. I'll be in Vegas on Saturday but I'll post whatever I play when possible.Anytime GB. Just keep the hockey plays coming. I tail 90% of them and just dont post about it because when I do, they lose (ask bmj)good call on that under Bender, sometimes 2-2 days are comforting.
John Bender
Footballguy
Fair enough. I know nothing about the situation so I won't comment at length. I talk to RN and GR off the board more often than anyone else I've "met" on FBG so I tend to not be able to take a side. SB shifts their lines based on action, seems to me that maybe EVO doesnt get near the amount of action as SB so that if someone bets props, they could send a screen cap of the lines and have it honored - that's what my local did for me a few years back when I was paying rent with GR props and that's what I'd suggest to those who only signed up based on EVO accepting SB props if that's a big issues. I love everybody, ####### ####. I can't take sides.'BRONG said:Fair enough, but why cut ALL of you off because SOME aren't playing by the rules? Why not just cut the offenders off? It's not like they can't identify exactly who it is, come on.Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like kurt used the bad customers as a scapegoat to get out of something he said he'd do. Which, by the way, helped get A LOT of customers in the first place. Since when did books group customers together like that?If the real issue, and this is what interests me, is that kurt is getting beat by gooroo so bad that he just can't handle it anymore, then just say so. With all the "integrity" claims I constantly see thrown around in here, the irony therein is certainly funny, to say the least.'John Bender said:I have no issues with EVO and get along with Kurt great (the thread subtitle was a jab at the guys upset about props being removed). It's convenient with the website, easy as hell. Hoping to phase out my local completely eventually and just use EVO.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This part is news to me.
