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barackdhouse
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
I’m fine with it as well. Would love some critique and chatter from the board along the way. Im at the 9 pick and already feel stumped and we haven’t even started yet
Who is planning to be in Vegas for the Main Event?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
One of these years but not this one. However, my Bears are playing there in October and it overlaps with the WSOP so I might be there for that.
I went for 10 years in a row before skipping last year because of the pandemic. I booked the trip for this year but I'm still deciding whether to go. Drafting live is fun and all but I found I didn't miss it too much last year.
It hasn't been every year, but I go most years. Last years was the first time I drafted a main event online. I did miss it. Am planning this year's trip.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I actually started high stakes fantasy as an excuse to go to Vegas with my friends. Along the way I actually started really getting into fantasy and also getting older as well as I found a new way to have an annual guys only Vegas trip. So I went first 14 or 15 years between the now defunct WCOFF and FFPC but last few years have been hit or miss. Probably not going this year but I will admit it's always fun and the years I don't go I usually regret it.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Ok, folks, the draft is in the books, how did we do?
https://twitter.com/Ship_Chaser/status/1407119102208970774
https://twitter.com/Ship_Chaser/status/1407119102208970774
joey
Footballguy
this was a really fun, informative draft to be a part of. I look forward to critiques and comments on the "anonymous" team's drafts (I'll own up to my team if this topic gets any traction here)
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I'm already on record as favoring team F and I like several others as well.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Is there a way to see how the draft went?
I like team A a lot. Kelce Jefferson and ETN looks good to me.
I am curious where you got ETN?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I am Team A. I moved up to get ETN at 3.04 but I would have to dig up the particulars. IIRC I really wanted him bad and paid a silly premium to get him. Yeah that one was 3.08 and my future 2nd to move to 3.04. Terrible price but I punted at RB with the Jefferson Kelce start.
I can link the board but IDK, I didn't want to take that liberty since it lists team names.
It's what you had to pay if you wanted him as I was going to take him at 3.6 and I think you probably knew this.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I felt like there was 0 chance he was going to make it to me. I had been peppering everyone in that neighborhood with offers but couldn't get any nibbles. Decided it was important enough to pay up for it.
joey
Footballguy
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I've brought it up before nobody objected. Here it is.
https://myffpc.com/DraftBoard.aspx?ltuid=0C7-EE3B3479E0A2
https://myffpc.com/DraftBoard.aspx?ltuid=0C7-EE3B3479E0A2
jabarony
Footballguy
I had the 3.03 originally. I would've traded back for the 2nd you gave Zyphros. But my 3.03 was already long gone at by then due to my 2nd round move up.
jabarony
Footballguy
I'm not loving Fs TEs. But he's all set at every other positron for sure.
Team B is my favorite team, other of my hometown team, of course!
jabarony
Footballguy
And because no one asked, I'll share my thoughts on my own draft. I did a lot of smaller trade-ups that eventually cost me mid-teen picks. I wasn't too worried about losing those better darts for lesser darts if it allowed my to secure my favorites in the earlier rounds.
I was tempted to look up ADP, but I didn't want it to sway me, so I went in fresh. Perhaps that led to some reaches, but I'm ok with it for guys I like.
1st round - Drew the 1.03, and I can't complain at all. I wanted J. Taylor, and a few weeks prior to the draft thought I'd have a decent shot at him. I just needed NE_revival to like Barkley/Jefferson/other a bit more. I got nervous day-of so I wanted to get to 1.02. But what the hell? May as well try for 1.01 first. Bagel apparently didn't mind a drop from 1.01 to 1.03, so I got CMC and his 11th for my 8th. Taylor who?
Good move in the end because NE took Taylor at 1.02. I would've been bummed with 1.03 and probably traded down. I think I tried trading CMC for Taylor+ a bit, but NE wasn't having it.
2nd - Sitting at 2.10 I initially was thinking CEH or Chase. Once Meno took CEH at 2.05, I figured I better move. Got Chase for my 2.10, a 3.03/3.07 pick swap and a 5.03/5.07 pick swap. I would've been ok sticking at 2.10 and likely taking Hopkins. But Chase was the last guy in that round who made me giddy. Not ideal to pin hopes on a rookie, but what the hell?
3rd - 3.07 took Hockenson. Before the draft I had visions of taking him in the 4th, but there were already 4 TEs gone by the 2nd round, so that was likely not happening. Very happy with this pick. Even if he's never TE1, he should be a set-it-and-forget-it top 3-5 TE for years. Most important of all, I don't have the ongoing waiver wire hustle searching for a TE.
4th - About halfway through the round I felt good that one of Mclaurin, Cooper, Thomas, or Robinson would be there at 4.10. Thomas and Robinson were. I almost went with the safer Robinson, but I've never had a share of Thomas, so I went with him. #1 WR 2 years ago, worth a shot!
5th - Going into the round I was going to take a QB. I have Allen and Dak as my 2 favorites. At worst I get Kyler or Lamar. Then there was a crazy run and I managed to get my guy anyways thanks to Dak being not as desirable to others as he is to me. Lucky me. I'll also state this is the first dynasty league I've ever been in with a top QB. I've always punted the position, but I want to try something different. It will be nice not hitting the WW weekly. Like Hockenson, Dak should be top5 and never sink me. And I'll make my advantages elsewhere (like CMC!). That's the plan anyhow.
6th - 6.06 Took Diontae Johnson. Nothing amazing, just a solid/young PPR guy. It will look better if PIT gets a decent QB to replace Ben.
7th - Actually traded up just a bit to 6.11 (swapped 2022 3rd for 2022 4th). Carson at 6.11 made me happy as I need a RB2. And I didn't see any left after Carson. I'll enjoy starting him for the 8 games he plays.
8th - No pick (CMC)
9th - OBJ. Why not? At worst he's a WR2. At best he's a top 10 WR, even if those odds keep getting slimmer. Now I have 4 surefire WR2s, each with varying hope for WR1 seasons. Good enough.
10thA - D. Watson. I always punt QB, now I took 2 in the first 10 rounds. This was just a value pick/investment. If he returns to his top-5 self, I'll have a nice QB problem. If not, then I wasted a 10th. I went into this draft expecting to miss on rounds 10-20 anyways! All that said, one pick earlier Cole Kmet was picked, that was my target.
10thB - Extra 10th from CMC trade and a few more minor trade-downs earlier. Mattison. Lotto ticket. A top 3-ish handcuff.
11th - Gus Edwards. Serviceable RB2 for when Carson is out, or bye weeks. With the added bonus of a jackpot if Dobbins gets hurt.
12thA - Hubbard at 12.06. Had the 12.10 expecting Hubbard would be there. Bombjack had other plans. Gave Bombjack my 15th for his 20th. He waited 4 spots and took J. Hawkins. Probably a wash for him RB-wise, to gain draft capital. But it means a lot more to me as a CMC owner.
12thB - Jarwin. If he's healthy he could be a low TE1/high TE2. Dart throws starting.
13th, 14th, 15th - I took a week off from the draft.
16th - K. Herbert. Whatever. I like him but he's buried. In the running for my first guy to be cut.
17th - Njoku - 1st rd TE who looks good once in a while. There's been worse late round picks.
18th - MIA def.
19th - None
20thA - Next 3 guys are just waiting on a preseason injury. Otherwise they're not long for this roster. S. Perine
20thB - D. Booker
20thC - N. Gray
20thD - Some kicker.
Only got sniped a few times. Kmet at the 11/12 turn hurt, Hubbard, which I cleared up. And, not a true snipe, but K. Allen went 4 picks before Diontae. Allen was my target.
Overall I think I can compete year 1, even if I'm not the favorite. If it all goes to hell, I still can blow it up and have CMC, Chase, Hock, and Dak/Watson to start over with.
Edit to note: Not much draft capital change: Minus 2022 3rd. Plus 2022 4th.
I was tempted to look up ADP, but I didn't want it to sway me, so I went in fresh. Perhaps that led to some reaches, but I'm ok with it for guys I like.
1st round - Drew the 1.03, and I can't complain at all. I wanted J. Taylor, and a few weeks prior to the draft thought I'd have a decent shot at him. I just needed NE_revival to like Barkley/Jefferson/other a bit more. I got nervous day-of so I wanted to get to 1.02. But what the hell? May as well try for 1.01 first. Bagel apparently didn't mind a drop from 1.01 to 1.03, so I got CMC and his 11th for my 8th. Taylor who?
Good move in the end because NE took Taylor at 1.02. I would've been bummed with 1.03 and probably traded down. I think I tried trading CMC for Taylor+ a bit, but NE wasn't having it.2nd - Sitting at 2.10 I initially was thinking CEH or Chase. Once Meno took CEH at 2.05, I figured I better move. Got Chase for my 2.10, a 3.03/3.07 pick swap and a 5.03/5.07 pick swap. I would've been ok sticking at 2.10 and likely taking Hopkins. But Chase was the last guy in that round who made me giddy. Not ideal to pin hopes on a rookie, but what the hell?
3rd - 3.07 took Hockenson. Before the draft I had visions of taking him in the 4th, but there were already 4 TEs gone by the 2nd round, so that was likely not happening. Very happy with this pick. Even if he's never TE1, he should be a set-it-and-forget-it top 3-5 TE for years. Most important of all, I don't have the ongoing waiver wire hustle searching for a TE.
4th - About halfway through the round I felt good that one of Mclaurin, Cooper, Thomas, or Robinson would be there at 4.10. Thomas and Robinson were. I almost went with the safer Robinson, but I've never had a share of Thomas, so I went with him. #1 WR 2 years ago, worth a shot!
5th - Going into the round I was going to take a QB. I have Allen and Dak as my 2 favorites. At worst I get Kyler or Lamar. Then there was a crazy run and I managed to get my guy anyways thanks to Dak being not as desirable to others as he is to me. Lucky me. I'll also state this is the first dynasty league I've ever been in with a top QB. I've always punted the position, but I want to try something different. It will be nice not hitting the WW weekly. Like Hockenson, Dak should be top5 and never sink me. And I'll make my advantages elsewhere (like CMC!). That's the plan anyhow.
6th - 6.06 Took Diontae Johnson. Nothing amazing, just a solid/young PPR guy. It will look better if PIT gets a decent QB to replace Ben.
7th - Actually traded up just a bit to 6.11 (swapped 2022 3rd for 2022 4th). Carson at 6.11 made me happy as I need a RB2. And I didn't see any left after Carson. I'll enjoy starting him for the 8 games he plays.
8th - No pick (CMC)
9th - OBJ. Why not? At worst he's a WR2. At best he's a top 10 WR, even if those odds keep getting slimmer. Now I have 4 surefire WR2s, each with varying hope for WR1 seasons. Good enough.
10thA - D. Watson. I always punt QB, now I took 2 in the first 10 rounds. This was just a value pick/investment. If he returns to his top-5 self, I'll have a nice QB problem. If not, then I wasted a 10th. I went into this draft expecting to miss on rounds 10-20 anyways! All that said, one pick earlier Cole Kmet was picked, that was my target.
10thB - Extra 10th from CMC trade and a few more minor trade-downs earlier. Mattison. Lotto ticket. A top 3-ish handcuff.
11th - Gus Edwards. Serviceable RB2 for when Carson is out, or bye weeks. With the added bonus of a jackpot if Dobbins gets hurt.
12thA - Hubbard at 12.06. Had the 12.10 expecting Hubbard would be there. Bombjack had other plans. Gave Bombjack my 15th for his 20th. He waited 4 spots and took J. Hawkins. Probably a wash for him RB-wise, to gain draft capital. But it means a lot more to me as a CMC owner.
12thB - Jarwin. If he's healthy he could be a low TE1/high TE2. Dart throws starting.
13th, 14th, 15th - I took a week off from the draft.
16th - K. Herbert. Whatever. I like him but he's buried. In the running for my first guy to be cut.
17th - Njoku - 1st rd TE who looks good once in a while. There's been worse late round picks.
18th - MIA def.
19th - None
20thA - Next 3 guys are just waiting on a preseason injury. Otherwise they're not long for this roster. S. Perine
20thB - D. Booker
20thC - N. Gray
20thD - Some kicker.
Only got sniped a few times. Kmet at the 11/12 turn hurt, Hubbard, which I cleared up. And, not a true snipe, but K. Allen went 4 picks before Diontae. Allen was my target.
Overall I think I can compete year 1, even if I'm not the favorite. If it all goes to hell, I still can blow it up and have CMC, Chase, Hock, and Dak/Watson to start over with.
Edit to note: Not much draft capital change: Minus 2022 3rd. Plus 2022 4th.
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Marauder
Footballguy
FYI, there was zero chance that Hockenson would have gotten past me at 3.12. He was the guy I was targeting there.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I moved from 2.05 to 2.08 because I decided I liked the board enough to do so. But I was going to take Chase so your move to come get him is what precipitated me taking Kelce. I would have easily paid what you paid to move up for your guy. As much as I love my boy Gibson, who I assume everyone thought I was taking, the lingering toe issue news did scare me off, plus I did another startup this year from the same 8 spot and went Metcalf/Gibson and really wanted to go in a different direction, even though I still went with WR in the 1st. Anyway good move coming up to get Chase. I thought you made other good moves, too. And yeah Hockenson is the guy I've been getting in all of these this year. Another reason I took Kelce. I didn't want *another* team with Hock or Andrews as my main TE. I ended up taking Andrews anyway but only because he was very lonely at the distinct top of my board at that moment.
joey
Footballguy
Team F here and I share your concerns
My own team's draft breakdown to follow jabarony's…
1.9: I had been thinking about this pick for months and kept coming back to the "old" but studly Henry instead of young, promising guys like Swift or [expecting to insert Akers here but he went at 1.4 in this draft]. Was also considering Najee Harris here as well but will get to that in a second. I thought to myself, if I go Henry, I might go full on Win Now and dynasty youth be damned. I’ve also played in another FFPC league for a few years, as well as 2 other Keep 13 leagues, and both have turned me more into a "redraft" mentality for 80% of my team since you simply have so few slots to stash rookies with upside. so I took Henry and hope to ride him into the sunset…
(Side note: I’m an old school RB Addict so was never considering WR in the 1st. And there’s good depth at WR, so it was RB and only RB for me at 1.9)
2.5: and to my surprise, there was Najee just waiting for me. Someone (I forget who. Sorry) tried to trade up with me to get this pick but I kept that trade offer on the line until this pick was on the clock in case Najee was sniped before me. He wasn’t. I rejected the trade offer and happily grabbed him. Now I’m feeling even better about my Henry pick since I immediately countered with youth at RB in the 2nd.
3.9 D Adams was way too good to pass up here. I know the risks with a Rodgers trade or hold out, and he's a bit "old" but…Win Now
4.5 A Jones…I hated hitching 2 players to the Rodgers wagon, but RB Addict + amazing value for a top RB + FFPC starting lineups allow for up to 4 RBs = me drafting A Jones. Not unhappy about this pick at all. Only small regret is not going M Andrews at this spot to lock down a TE1 but I own Andrews in my other FFPC a league and he disappointed a little last year, and RB Addict, so Jones.
5.9 was targeting a top QB in the 5th but a big run happened. Also targeting Goedert but he went right before me. Was considering Gesicki but had this "let's wait a bit on TE and see how this plays out" attitude, so I went with the "old" but super solid Evans at WR.
6.4 with the QB a run in the 5th, I decided to take the top rookie QB in Lawrence here knowing that there would be very good vets available later to start for my team if Lawrence isn’t lighting it up early.
7.4 I kept looking at the dynasty TE rankings on multiple sites and Irv Smith was the last "consensus" top 10 TE left, so I went up to get him with a pick-swap trade (7.9+10.4+12.4 for Zyphros' 7.4+10.9+12.9) and grabbed Smith. Not super excited about this pick but he’s young and on a good offense and my fingers are crossed. I also had eyes on an old, boring TE that I targeted grabbing later in the draft to likely start for me if needed out of the gate.
8.4 Mike Davis. "Hi, I’m Joey and I have an RB problem…" all the WRs looked the same to me here and he was the last Win Now, starting RB on the board. Was thinking Trautman or OBJ here as well but hoped that one would last to my next pick but they didn’t.
9.9 Theilen. Old, win now WR gives me three top 24 WRs to start out of the gate. Probably should’ve grabbed another TE here since there was a little run between this and my next pick and I had my eye on a couple of those guys.
10.9 yeah, a TE run happened or I would’ve gone TE here so I went young upside WR in Ruggs. I’m a Raiders fan that actually dislikes having Raiders players on my roster, so I don’t love this pick
but I picked my top young WR to go with my geriatric Wr corps 11.9 grabbed my backup, "win now" QB here I read a stat that Tanny has scored the 3rd most fantasy points in the past year and a half (since being traded to Tenn) so he was my main QB value target here
12.2 Connor…another potential starting RB for my win now team if I need him I honestly can’t recall why I felt the need to trade up here to get him. It seems like I made this pick months ago
13.3 J Cook TE this was my later round value TE that I was targeting, hopeful that his move to LAC with Herbert at QB (and H Henry off to NE) will give him top 10 TE numbers)
15.2 H Bryant TE…young TE dart throw
16.2 and 16.4. I decided to be "that guy" who broke the seal on K and D and took my top picks at each. All of the other skill position players looked the same to me at this point, so I went this way instead. No regrets seeing all the players that went between these picks and my next ones
the rest of my picks (Herndon TE, Kirk WR, Cephus WR and Snell RB) are just filler and will likely hit the waiver wire first if there’s any good preseason buzz worth acting on.
thanks for reading
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Enjoyed the writeup and the bolded was me.
You had sent me a message to let me know you were considering the offer based on what pick went down with pick 2.3. I had Najee as top 3 finalist for pick 1.6, more on that later, so way it unfolded for me was I see pick 2.3 made and I got hopeful for a second but it was short lived.
Team B / Bombjack recap here.
All in all this was a tough draft to capture youth at any sort of value - too many sharks!
As a result, I started off a lot older than I was expecting heading in, but hopefully that means points this year.
As the strategy played out (or I was kind of forced into?) I made several small trade backs for future round draft capital. None huge in and of themselves but was generally happy with them as I began to get content taking end of tier / players with a little more tread.
Plus I was able to hang on to my future first which I was tempted to start offering up (still might once we get into season).
Trades:
My 2.06, 3.07, 5.07 for 2.10, 3.03, 5.03
My 4.06, 7.07, 9.07, 11.07 for 4.08, 7.05, 8.08, 11.05
My 6.06, 17.07 for 6.10, 14.10
My 10.06, 13.07 for 10.08, 13.03
My 12.06 (Chuba), 20.06 for 12.10, 15.03
Round 1 - Kamara. Starting at pick 7 goal was to go RB early then punt for a while.
Round 2 - Traded back from 2.06 to 2.10 (with Jabarony who grabbed Chase, above). Had 4 guys in my sights here and just took the bump ups later. Ended up with Waller. Really thought about Diggs here but ultimately wanted a set it and forget it TE. Double bonus as Raiders fan.
Round 3 - In the 3.03 spot to due to trade above. All the young WRs with big volume are gone, so took an older one in Hopkins
Round 4 - At the 4.06 spot, got an offer to move back 2 spots from Penguin with a move from the 9th to 8th. He took McLaurin, who I was really thinking about. Ended up with Amari.
Round 5 - It was at this point I looked at my first 4 picks and said, what the hell, looks like I need to really firm up a roster that will compete in year 1 - so took Lamar. Early for when I'd usually take a QB in these leagues, but I figure decent value vs. where he was post MVP year, plus now strengthened receiving core.
Round 6 - Was really searching for value here, and couldn't find much. Took a shot with Juju hoping he can turn it around. Looking back, should have gone with Carson who Jabarony took with the next pick. My biggest weakness on this team is RB2. and that leads into...
Round 7 - AJ Dillon. Started getting nervous on the "hybrid" zero RB strategy. A bit of shot in the dark here hoping there's some production that will come out of this after the crazy GB offseason
Round 8 - Took Julio and Jalen Reagor. I'm looking for ceilings at this point - different points their career and hoping the talent can make it happen for these guys given health / team QB situations.
Round 10 - Jamaal Williams. See Round 7 notes for Dillon above.
Round 11 -12 With positions mostly filled out, wanted to start looking for some high return players, no rookies on the squad and some 2nd round rookie draft capital still on the board, started shooting some shots. Took Nico Collins, then Chuba Hubbard (subsequently traded for Javian Hawkins)
Round 13-16 Given my team construction, decided to do some positional handcuffing and/or reclamation projects that can easily be dumped to make roster room if need be. Basically the opposite of how I would normally think about things but so much youthful value had been stripped out of this draft already. So took Ertz, Latavius Murray Stafford, and Hayden Hurst.
Final roster:
QB - Lamar, Stafford
RB - Kamara, Dillon, J. Williams, L Murray, J White, Hawkins
WR - Hopkins, Cooper, Julio, Juju, N. Collins, Reagor, A .Rogers
TE - Waller, Ertz, Hurst
All in all this was a tough draft to capture youth at any sort of value - too many sharks!
As a result, I started off a lot older than I was expecting heading in, but hopefully that means points this year.
As the strategy played out (or I was kind of forced into?) I made several small trade backs for future round draft capital. None huge in and of themselves but was generally happy with them as I began to get content taking end of tier / players with a little more tread.
Plus I was able to hang on to my future first which I was tempted to start offering up (still might once we get into season).
Trades:
My 2.06, 3.07, 5.07 for 2.10, 3.03, 5.03
My 4.06, 7.07, 9.07, 11.07 for 4.08, 7.05, 8.08, 11.05
My 6.06, 17.07 for 6.10, 14.10
My 10.06, 13.07 for 10.08, 13.03
My 12.06 (Chuba), 20.06 for 12.10, 15.03
Round 1 - Kamara. Starting at pick 7 goal was to go RB early then punt for a while.
Round 2 - Traded back from 2.06 to 2.10 (with Jabarony who grabbed Chase, above). Had 4 guys in my sights here and just took the bump ups later. Ended up with Waller. Really thought about Diggs here but ultimately wanted a set it and forget it TE. Double bonus as Raiders fan.
Round 3 - In the 3.03 spot to due to trade above. All the young WRs with big volume are gone, so took an older one in Hopkins
Round 4 - At the 4.06 spot, got an offer to move back 2 spots from Penguin with a move from the 9th to 8th. He took McLaurin, who I was really thinking about. Ended up with Amari.
Round 5 - It was at this point I looked at my first 4 picks and said, what the hell, looks like I need to really firm up a roster that will compete in year 1 - so took Lamar. Early for when I'd usually take a QB in these leagues, but I figure decent value vs. where he was post MVP year, plus now strengthened receiving core.
Round 6 - Was really searching for value here, and couldn't find much. Took a shot with Juju hoping he can turn it around. Looking back, should have gone with Carson who Jabarony took with the next pick. My biggest weakness on this team is RB2. and that leads into...
Round 7 - AJ Dillon. Started getting nervous on the "hybrid" zero RB strategy. A bit of shot in the dark here hoping there's some production that will come out of this after the crazy GB offseason
Round 8 - Took Julio and Jalen Reagor. I'm looking for ceilings at this point - different points their career and hoping the talent can make it happen for these guys given health / team QB situations.
Round 10 - Jamaal Williams. See Round 7 notes for Dillon above.
Round 11 -12 With positions mostly filled out, wanted to start looking for some high return players, no rookies on the squad and some 2nd round rookie draft capital still on the board, started shooting some shots. Took Nico Collins, then Chuba Hubbard (subsequently traded for Javian Hawkins)
Round 13-16 Given my team construction, decided to do some positional handcuffing and/or reclamation projects that can easily be dumped to make roster room if need be. Basically the opposite of how I would normally think about things but so much youthful value had been stripped out of this draft already. So took Ertz, Latavius Murray Stafford, and Hayden Hurst.
Final roster:
QB - Lamar, Stafford
RB - Kamara, Dillon, J. Williams, L Murray, J White, Hawkins
WR - Hopkins, Cooper, Julio, Juju, N. Collins, Reagor, A .Rogers
TE - Waller, Ertz, Hurst
jabarony
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with having your choice of K & D. I do it all the time in redraft/bestball. I may have considered it myself if I had any pick in that range! It is a bit less appealing in FFPC because I'd probably end up dropping one or both at their bye weeks due to roster contraints.
Also, it's a bummer when a "win now" team is in your division. I'll cross my fingers for a split with your squad.
joey
Footballguy
Ha. How is Dak, CMC, Carson, Mike Thomas, ODB, Chase, Dionte, Hockenson not Win Now as well? It’s me who's hoping for the split
re: K and D…I intentionally select K and D with different bye weeks so, if I wanted to keep 1 or both during their byes, I only need to "waste" 1 roster spot to do so.
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jabarony
Footballguy
Based on the draft to this point, I like your strategy here. And I love those 4 guys, as unsexy as they may be due to age.
I also like the AJ Dillon pick a lot.
jabarony
Footballguy
Because I didn't declare it "win now". That's how.Ha. How is Dak, CMC, Carson, Mike Thomas, ODB, Chase, Dionte, Hockenson not Win Now as well? It’s me who's hoping for the split
joey
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
I was looking over who I thought was the favorite and had 6 main contenders and 3 are in this division. (E, F and J for those following along at home).it's a bummer when a "win now" team is in your division. I'll cross my fingers for a split with your squad.Win Now as well? It’s me who's hoping for the split
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At least you three get two games vs me.
joey
Footballguy
no way am I falling into that jinx trap! I looked at your roster and I'd like to congratulate you in advance for sweeping my team this year.
Jokes aside...any more NON-league members wanna critique the rosters or draft approach or ask questions about our draft?
Going to jump into my super long write-up that is not for the ADHD reader. The few previous teams who did their write-up at least one other person in the league commented on those teams being their favorite teams. Not sure if they meant favorite to seize the Ship or favorite team period but I'll now present a team that no one is confusing with the former.
I'll go over some trades but net result on my draft capital for 2022 is I'm out my 4th round pick(FFPC rookie draft is 7 rounds)
My first round pick really set the table for my entire draft so I'll go over that in forensic detail.
I drew pick 1.6 several months ago and surprisingly no deals were made until the draft got underway. At the time those picks were drawn I felt like I was probably going to pick Akers or Swift. As we began to approach the draft I started to think my chances of landing Akers had grown very dim and with Swift falling out of favor to some degree in the fantasy community my goal was to now try and get him later, trying to use my second instead of my first. Heading into the draft I thought if Akers or Barkley make it to 6 I'd be comfortable selecting them. I did not think anyone else would reasonably make it to me that I'd actually feel great about drafting at 6 and would try and trade down. That's how it unfolded so I found myself on the clock at pick 6 with Akers and Barkley gone, trying to trade back.
I gave the WR's a look, all were available but not the direction I wanted to go, just know how abundant they are in my existing leagues. I narrowed it down to 4 players. Kamara, Najee, Swift and Kyle Pitts. Kamara was the only one of those I felt confident would get drafted very soon and he's the main one I hoped someone would covet to move up to get. So thinking if I moved back I could get two of the younger players, and likely at worst one of them to pair with a top flight WR I started trying to move back. I was a little surprised I was not able to move back even when I lowered my asking price to even 1/2 for 1/2 swaps. (league was great by the way on quickly rejecting the trades, I mean that, no sarcasm).
So I looked at those 4 and quickly ruled out Swift for reasons I stated earlier. So down to Kamara, Najee or Pitts. Kamara I truly believe has the best shot of aging gracefully then any elite/good RB in fantasy. Saying that convincing other people in your league of this is another matter and I viewed Kamara as someone likely to lose value every year going forward. So I decided to go younger and narrowed my choice down to Najee or Pitts. Had I gone Kamara my team/draft, the entire makeup of my team would have been vastly different.
I knew that Pitts had a shot to make it to me in round 2. That was a big factor in mulling over passing him. Figured if I went Najee I'd sit back and try and get Swift or Pitts in round two with a move up possibly. I assumed at the time Najee would be long gone and a likely first round pick. But I got this thought in my head I could not shake. I had pick 1.1 of the rookie draft of an FFPC rules league were everything about the makeup of the roster suggests the team is in a 2-3 year window, if I added a top flight RB. So I went Najee in that league and several times have had buyers remorse and not related to Najee in the least, but over passing on the prospect that is Pitts. And really it's just about the age, I said this I think in the Pitts thread but in 4-5 years Najee's fantasy appeal could be seriously winding down, meanwhile Pitts would be about the same age as when the current Big 3 TE's broke out. And so I told myself if I have had buyers remorse on taking Najee on a team he's an ideal fit why on earth would I not take Pitts on a team I'm building up from scratch? And so it was.
1.6 Kyle Pitts- I'm open to the ridicule of taking a rookie TE at 6, I would not have thought this was something I'd ever do, but the combo of his age(I think he or Sewell are youngest players in the league), talent and what he can do for my team potentially both in performance and the overall long term asset he has the ability to be were just to overwhelming to me to risk losing him. He just seemed like the ideal guy to build a new dynasty team around. Gives me the longevity found in WR's and being every bit of a difference maker as an elite RB. Potentially that is, a word that will apply to most of my team.
2.5 CEH- As Joey mentioned earlier Najee fell farther in this draft then I expected and I tried to move up to 2.4 to get him. I wanted to go with a very young RB in this spot because my startup draft goals are always the same, go young but try to compete in year one and I needed to obtain a RB to give me a shot. I knew how the RB draft board thinned out so this was my chance to pair a young RB with Pitts. Swift, the RB I thought I might get in round 2 with a little trade up was gone at 2.1 but I did have 3 RB's left I felt ok with. Dobbins, Gibson and CEH. I started mulling them over and for sure had Dobbins as #3, was ok with him and would have picked him at 2.7 if the other two were gone but have him running just behind them. At the time some concerns on Gibson's toe so decided I'd rather have CEH if the price was ok, no toe concerns and about a year younger then Gibson to boot so I made a deal to move up from 2.7 to 2.5 to draft CEH. I moved my 4th back a round and my 8th up a round and both of those move ups were based on where I wanted to be relative to other boards I had reviewed.
3.6 Javonte Williams- When the draft started I hoped to get ETN or Williams in round 3 and based on my review of boards I felt this was a decent shot. Then Barack swoops in and takes ETN at 3.4. Full disclosure: I had decided to take ETN if I had a choice between the two but was ok with any of them. I then wasted a lot of time when 3.5 was OTC trying to figure out trade back scenarios and what I'd do if I found no wanting to trade back if Williams went at 3.5. I was in a no mans land point in the draft for me if Williams had gone. This was without a doubt the easiest pick I made the entire draft.
At this point I don't have my next pick until 5.6 due to trading the 4.7 to 5.8 as part of deal to move up for CEH. I love my start, two young RBs with a young TE and part of why I moved my 4 to 5 and 8 to 7 was the WR targets in that range I had in mind so I knew I'd soon be plucking several of them. The negative is I looked at some other rosters while I waited to pick, saw other rosters of teams in my division, and really felt that competing this year was much more difficult then I had set out for it to be. This for sure would go on to impact some of my next few picks. The mold was cast and at this point my core picks had to be players that offered fairly long term value.
5.6- Jerry Jeudy- saw some awesome WR's fall to mid to late 4. Had my team not gone with longer term plan I'd have likely moved up to snag Michael Thomas. But for my team the guy I coveted was Jeudy. Similar to Williams or ETN in round 3 I entered this draft targeting Juedy in round 5. He'd got a little positive buzz lately and it was very down on him actually falling to me but I had a backup plan named Devonta Smith so I held off on aggresively moving up.
5.8 Dallas Goedert- so for most of round 5 I'm sweating out getting Jeudy but telling myself if I'll take Devonta if I lose him and that's ok with me. (and had one gone I've got aggressive moving up for the other). So I damn near surprised myself when I did a switcheroo and took another Eagle. I wanted to stress my potential TE competitive edge on the league, this was also probably my first pick were I passed the younger option for the player I thought gave me a better shot at competing now.
6.7. Elijah Moore - Earlier I mentioned when I moved my 8th to round 7 as part of the CEH trade I had some WR's in mind. He was one. But as this draft was going the hype was building. Saw him go early round 7 of another on-going startup. I tried hard to trade back because I was also considering Sutton and Hunt, both players I thought gave me better shot to "win now". I could not move back, asked myself which player would it hurt me the most to not get in round 7 and my answer was Moore. Sutton and Hunt went next.
7.6- James Robinson- . Little boy blue needed the money and I needed to add the RB group so you know sometimes you got to do things you don't really love. Obviously things changed for Robinson but young proven and in round 7 to fit a need and here you go. Absolutely not a target entering the draft.
7.8 Laviska Shenault- I mentioned moving that round 8 pick to 7 due to having some WR's in mind and those two main WR's in mind at the time was Moore and Marshall. So I end up taking one of them a round earlier and passing on Marshall. I end up going with two players getting massive hype now. Was I influenceed by the hype? With respect to Moore a little but I was going to take him in round 7 before the hype got big and just took him earlier out of fear I was going to lose him. Shenault I dove into the hype. The hype got me to dig deeper and the more I dug the more I liked. It was not easy to passing on Marshall but again despite starting behind the 8 ball with some extreme youth I thought Laviska gives me a better shot at competing now and I'm starting to factor that in a little with some of these decisions but still maintaining a core with multiple year long term outlooks.
9.7 Trey Lance - my #1 rookie QB
10.3- Hunter Henry- a TE run broke out and I saw Henry as the last of the group and I moved up from 10.6 to 10.3 at cost of moving my 11th back into round early round 12. . I actually like his prospects in NE , he's not old and again I wanted to potentially stress my TE advantage adding him to Pitts and Goedert.
12.3 Rhamondre Stevenson- that move back from 11.6 to 12.3 did in fact cost me Melvin Gordon who despite his age I would have taken to pair with Williams and give me a better shot at competing.
12.7 Aaron Rodgers- I think he increased average age of my team over a year when I drafted him. So age is maybe an odd fit but he should have a few good years and buys me time for Lance.
12.9 Mike Williams- I gave up my 4th round pick in 2022 to move from 14.7. I'm intrigued what new staff has designed for him since he's playing the Michael Thomas role in a Saints based passing attack and has generally always been a highly efficient per target player. I went on a quick research before offering a pick to move up and found a video of Drew Brees that very day showing up at the Chargers practice and giving a minute or so long discussion on similarities he saw in Williams and Thomas. That was my final push to move up.
13.6 Antonio Brown Rodgers is old but should have a few years left. AB is probably strangest fit to my roster but again once I got my young core in place I'm taking some shots to help me my team now.
15-20 I took Parris Campbell in hopes health and Wentz can get him going. Took second K off the board Koo , took a shot on Tre'quan Smith in hopes Winston is good for him, worked in Mack and Chris Evans to try and give the RB group warm bodies and Cleveland D.
I'll go over some trades but net result on my draft capital for 2022 is I'm out my 4th round pick(FFPC rookie draft is 7 rounds)
My first round pick really set the table for my entire draft so I'll go over that in forensic detail.
I drew pick 1.6 several months ago and surprisingly no deals were made until the draft got underway. At the time those picks were drawn I felt like I was probably going to pick Akers or Swift. As we began to approach the draft I started to think my chances of landing Akers had grown very dim and with Swift falling out of favor to some degree in the fantasy community my goal was to now try and get him later, trying to use my second instead of my first. Heading into the draft I thought if Akers or Barkley make it to 6 I'd be comfortable selecting them. I did not think anyone else would reasonably make it to me that I'd actually feel great about drafting at 6 and would try and trade down. That's how it unfolded so I found myself on the clock at pick 6 with Akers and Barkley gone, trying to trade back.
I gave the WR's a look, all were available but not the direction I wanted to go, just know how abundant they are in my existing leagues. I narrowed it down to 4 players. Kamara, Najee, Swift and Kyle Pitts. Kamara was the only one of those I felt confident would get drafted very soon and he's the main one I hoped someone would covet to move up to get. So thinking if I moved back I could get two of the younger players, and likely at worst one of them to pair with a top flight WR I started trying to move back. I was a little surprised I was not able to move back even when I lowered my asking price to even 1/2 for 1/2 swaps. (league was great by the way on quickly rejecting the trades, I mean that, no sarcasm).
So I looked at those 4 and quickly ruled out Swift for reasons I stated earlier. So down to Kamara, Najee or Pitts. Kamara I truly believe has the best shot of aging gracefully then any elite/good RB in fantasy. Saying that convincing other people in your league of this is another matter and I viewed Kamara as someone likely to lose value every year going forward. So I decided to go younger and narrowed my choice down to Najee or Pitts. Had I gone Kamara my team/draft, the entire makeup of my team would have been vastly different.
I knew that Pitts had a shot to make it to me in round 2. That was a big factor in mulling over passing him. Figured if I went Najee I'd sit back and try and get Swift or Pitts in round two with a move up possibly. I assumed at the time Najee would be long gone and a likely first round pick. But I got this thought in my head I could not shake. I had pick 1.1 of the rookie draft of an FFPC rules league were everything about the makeup of the roster suggests the team is in a 2-3 year window, if I added a top flight RB. So I went Najee in that league and several times have had buyers remorse and not related to Najee in the least, but over passing on the prospect that is Pitts. And really it's just about the age, I said this I think in the Pitts thread but in 4-5 years Najee's fantasy appeal could be seriously winding down, meanwhile Pitts would be about the same age as when the current Big 3 TE's broke out. And so I told myself if I have had buyers remorse on taking Najee on a team he's an ideal fit why on earth would I not take Pitts on a team I'm building up from scratch? And so it was.
1.6 Kyle Pitts- I'm open to the ridicule of taking a rookie TE at 6, I would not have thought this was something I'd ever do, but the combo of his age(I think he or Sewell are youngest players in the league), talent and what he can do for my team potentially both in performance and the overall long term asset he has the ability to be were just to overwhelming to me to risk losing him. He just seemed like the ideal guy to build a new dynasty team around. Gives me the longevity found in WR's and being every bit of a difference maker as an elite RB. Potentially that is, a word that will apply to most of my team.
2.5 CEH- As Joey mentioned earlier Najee fell farther in this draft then I expected and I tried to move up to 2.4 to get him. I wanted to go with a very young RB in this spot because my startup draft goals are always the same, go young but try to compete in year one and I needed to obtain a RB to give me a shot. I knew how the RB draft board thinned out so this was my chance to pair a young RB with Pitts. Swift, the RB I thought I might get in round 2 with a little trade up was gone at 2.1 but I did have 3 RB's left I felt ok with. Dobbins, Gibson and CEH. I started mulling them over and for sure had Dobbins as #3, was ok with him and would have picked him at 2.7 if the other two were gone but have him running just behind them. At the time some concerns on Gibson's toe so decided I'd rather have CEH if the price was ok, no toe concerns and about a year younger then Gibson to boot so I made a deal to move up from 2.7 to 2.5 to draft CEH. I moved my 4th back a round and my 8th up a round and both of those move ups were based on where I wanted to be relative to other boards I had reviewed.
3.6 Javonte Williams- When the draft started I hoped to get ETN or Williams in round 3 and based on my review of boards I felt this was a decent shot. Then Barack swoops in and takes ETN at 3.4. Full disclosure: I had decided to take ETN if I had a choice between the two but was ok with any of them. I then wasted a lot of time when 3.5 was OTC trying to figure out trade back scenarios and what I'd do if I found no wanting to trade back if Williams went at 3.5. I was in a no mans land point in the draft for me if Williams had gone. This was without a doubt the easiest pick I made the entire draft.
At this point I don't have my next pick until 5.6 due to trading the 4.7 to 5.8 as part of deal to move up for CEH. I love my start, two young RBs with a young TE and part of why I moved my 4 to 5 and 8 to 7 was the WR targets in that range I had in mind so I knew I'd soon be plucking several of them. The negative is I looked at some other rosters while I waited to pick, saw other rosters of teams in my division, and really felt that competing this year was much more difficult then I had set out for it to be. This for sure would go on to impact some of my next few picks. The mold was cast and at this point my core picks had to be players that offered fairly long term value.
5.6- Jerry Jeudy- saw some awesome WR's fall to mid to late 4. Had my team not gone with longer term plan I'd have likely moved up to snag Michael Thomas. But for my team the guy I coveted was Jeudy. Similar to Williams or ETN in round 3 I entered this draft targeting Juedy in round 5. He'd got a little positive buzz lately and it was very down on him actually falling to me but I had a backup plan named Devonta Smith so I held off on aggresively moving up.
5.8 Dallas Goedert- so for most of round 5 I'm sweating out getting Jeudy but telling myself if I'll take Devonta if I lose him and that's ok with me. (and had one gone I've got aggressive moving up for the other). So I damn near surprised myself when I did a switcheroo and took another Eagle. I wanted to stress my potential TE competitive edge on the league, this was also probably my first pick were I passed the younger option for the player I thought gave me a better shot at competing now.
6.7. Elijah Moore - Earlier I mentioned when I moved my 8th to round 7 as part of the CEH trade I had some WR's in mind. He was one. But as this draft was going the hype was building. Saw him go early round 7 of another on-going startup. I tried hard to trade back because I was also considering Sutton and Hunt, both players I thought gave me better shot to "win now". I could not move back, asked myself which player would it hurt me the most to not get in round 7 and my answer was Moore. Sutton and Hunt went next.
7.6- James Robinson- . Little boy blue needed the money and I needed to add the RB group so you know sometimes you got to do things you don't really love. Obviously things changed for Robinson but young proven and in round 7 to fit a need and here you go. Absolutely not a target entering the draft.
7.8 Laviska Shenault- I mentioned moving that round 8 pick to 7 due to having some WR's in mind and those two main WR's in mind at the time was Moore and Marshall. So I end up taking one of them a round earlier and passing on Marshall. I end up going with two players getting massive hype now. Was I influenceed by the hype? With respect to Moore a little but I was going to take him in round 7 before the hype got big and just took him earlier out of fear I was going to lose him. Shenault I dove into the hype. The hype got me to dig deeper and the more I dug the more I liked. It was not easy to passing on Marshall but again despite starting behind the 8 ball with some extreme youth I thought Laviska gives me a better shot at competing now and I'm starting to factor that in a little with some of these decisions but still maintaining a core with multiple year long term outlooks.
9.7 Trey Lance - my #1 rookie QB
10.3- Hunter Henry- a TE run broke out and I saw Henry as the last of the group and I moved up from 10.6 to 10.3 at cost of moving my 11th back into round early round 12. . I actually like his prospects in NE , he's not old and again I wanted to potentially stress my TE advantage adding him to Pitts and Goedert.
12.3 Rhamondre Stevenson- that move back from 11.6 to 12.3 did in fact cost me Melvin Gordon who despite his age I would have taken to pair with Williams and give me a better shot at competing.
12.7 Aaron Rodgers- I think he increased average age of my team over a year when I drafted him. So age is maybe an odd fit but he should have a few good years and buys me time for Lance.
12.9 Mike Williams- I gave up my 4th round pick in 2022 to move from 14.7. I'm intrigued what new staff has designed for him since he's playing the Michael Thomas role in a Saints based passing attack and has generally always been a highly efficient per target player. I went on a quick research before offering a pick to move up and found a video of Drew Brees that very day showing up at the Chargers practice and giving a minute or so long discussion on similarities he saw in Williams and Thomas. That was my final push to move up.
13.6 Antonio Brown Rodgers is old but should have a few years left. AB is probably strangest fit to my roster but again once I got my young core in place I'm taking some shots to help me my team now.
15-20 I took Parris Campbell in hopes health and Wentz can get him going. Took second K off the board Koo , took a shot on Tre'quan Smith in hopes Winston is good for him, worked in Mack and Chris Evans to try and give the RB group warm bodies and Cleveland D.
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jabarony
Footballguy
Nice summary.
Pitts - I agree with your premise of moving back. Perhaps back end of the 1st you could have picked him, and saved yourself the pay-up for CEH. But if no one's interested, no one's interested.
CEH/Williams - Like both of these picks. Should set you up nicely for a few years at a tough position to fill.
Robinson/Shenault - In Urban we trust, huh? Good luck!
A. Brown - Can't beat the price. Perfect pick for a young team that takes a stab at contending.
QBs - Love that combo.
15-20 - Your trash is not as impressive as Bombjack's trash!
I'm ok facing you week 1. I'm not looking forward to facing you late in the year. If you manage to make the playoffs, all of those young guys could be rolling, resulting in a title. If you miss the playoffs, winning the 1.01 pick won't be a bad consolation. And I hope I'm not in your division next year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FloJzvyXhcnNvkwCTHIhOig_99lY_4mrvNwBQJKzvKk/edit?usp=sharing
For people that don't have an FFPC account
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
I am still reading the rest of your post but he had absolutely no shot of getting to you in 2. I would have taken him at 8.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That deal was with me and I was going to take CEH at 2.05 if I had stayed put. But I liked those other RBs, too, and I also liked Chase and had this growing sense of "what if I took Kelce?" Jabarony moved up to get Chase and I decided I was gunshy on Gibson's toe and that I might get lucky and maybe Dobbins would fall to the 3rd. But I also talked myself into this idea that Dobbins may just not ever have the ceiling we would want here. So I went with Kelce. I need to get deeper at RB in the worst way and I leveraged my future capital. So I have work to do this year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Good writeups by all.
Bombjacks moved up over me in round 15 for Hurst. I'm glad I addressed TE earlier because that marked the second of 3 occurrences in from rounds 14-20 were the TE I planned to take with my next pick went. Barack got me on the other two, Jacob Harris and Granson.
Very similar thought process on the RB's and really just about everything. When pick 2.3 was made I counted Najee, CEH, Gibson, Dobbins and Chase so figured at 2.7 I get my coveted young RB or Chase and I'm good either way. Then I bucked and traded up a little to get the one I wanted the most after Najee.
I was not considering Kelce but hard to not like the pick. He's a top 3 overall player to me ,and most people, this year and projects to have a few good years left. I was surprised when you made the pick but only because I had you pegged for Gibson.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
For the fellas from the startup we just completed, check your email when you can - that's where I'll be sending the Zoom info later.
jabarony
Footballguy
No zoom for me, thanks. Boss has me booked. But I'll check out your other email later.
rockaction
Footballguy
Interesting stuff all around. Just checking in to say that I took a look at all the teams and can't really comment in too much detail because I'm not into doing startups unless I'm participating in the league for sure for a long while, and I haven't come across any of those. It's also hard to comment without knowing what future capital the teams hold, what they're looking to do in terms of win now/win later, what kind of trades actually went on, etc., so it's sort of meaningless, chiming in about players or any individual's draft. But this looks like a good time with some knowledgeable people, so good luck to everybody.
