FFPC dynasty and redraft leagues thread (1 Viewer)

[barackdhouse]

Sorry if you said that already in your thesis above  

Oh no no I was just agreeing. And of the teams that are competing that might want to buy inseason, how many are going to be able to afford "Kupp best FF season ever" prices? Or be willing? It is an incredibly thin needle and one runs the risk of rostering someone they don't believe in who they are never going to be able to move. I was wrong about that re: Kupp and Deebo but I can point to loads and loads of examples where I was right not to wait.

 

[menobrown]

Different direction but regarding cut down deadline.

Where there any cuts in your leagues which surprised you?

I just reviewed my leagues and the one that really surprised me was a team cutting Calvin Ridley. This surprises me in general but especially because he kept a few players that are of little value, like Jamaal Williams. Also the guy likely never shopped him. I know I made a slew of offers for him before his suspension and you'd just think he'd see what I'd give up now.

What is the player you viewed as being the most valuable player to you that you just could not keep and had to cut?

For me that would be Evan Engram. I understand he's not been so great last few years but he's had some moments and I just think he's in a more TE friendly offense with better coaching and QB play then he's had since maybe he came into the league. Change of scenery might be just what he needs.  I kept him in 2 leagues but had to cut him in a third and drew the line at a third round pick or I'd just cut him and try to pick him back up and no one wanted to pay a third.  Had I not done a lot of trading I'd have had some incredibly hard cuts, all in pretty happy that Evan Engram ended up being the one that bothered me the most to cut the cord on.

 

[barackdhouse]

I just reviewed my leagues and the one that really surprised me was a team cutting Calvin Ridley. 

What is the player you viewed as being the most valuable player to you that you just could not keep and had to cut?

https://twitter.com/fantasymojo/status/1509917459066806274?s=20&t=Scte4rTjSzaLXWs9iW6fCw

Lots of biggish names got dropped. In my leagues the most surprising I saw was also Ridley in one example, but Damien Harris, Hunter Henry, Henderson (x4), Gainwell.

The one player I had the hardest time cutting was Josh Palmer, and I did in fact keep him in several. The biggest name I cut was OBJ. I am considering it a poison pill cut. Someone will spend draft capital to clog their roster with him. If I could have got a pick I would have taken it. OBJ was dropped in a couple other leagues as well.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

I had a few to many and accidentally dropped Jarvis Landry?

 

[phandango]

In the in-season dynasty trade thread I mentioned that I had traded Freiermuth for the 1.09. I was looking at the drops in that league and the other team dropped Freiermuth! But he must have fat-fingered it because Freiermuth was back on his roster. 

Hunter Henry was a surprising drop in a superflex best ball league, but the team that dropped him was the league winner with a stacked team. Still, he should've been able to get a pick for him. 

Sam Darnold was dropped in a superflex. OBJ and Landry, Henderson, Irv Smith, Gainwell were a little surprising. Everyone's bailing on Zack Moss (myself included). I spent a second-rounder on Terrace Marshall in a couple leagues last year and had to cut him. Gerald Everett and Kenyan Drake are available in half my leagues now and I'm sure I'll get sucked in again to trying to grab them in the draft. 

 

[barackdhouse]

In the in-season dynasty trade thread I mentioned that I had traded Freiermuth for the 1.09. I was looking at the drops in that league and the other team dropped Freiermuth! But he must have fat-fingered it because Freiermuth was back on his roster. 

Hunter Henry was a surprising drop in a superflex best ball league, but the team that dropped him was the league winner with a stacked team. Still, he should've been able to get a pick for him. 

Sam Darnold was dropped in a superflex. OBJ and Landry, Henderson, Irv Smith, Gainwell were a little surprising. Everyone's bailing on Zack Moss (myself included). I spent a second-rounder on Terrace Marshall in a couple leagues last year and had to cut him. Gerald Everett and Kenyan Drake are available in half my leagues now and I'm sure I'll get sucked in again to trying to grab them in the draft. 

Same here on Moss. Saw Darnold dropped in SF as well. Tom Brady was dropped in 2/16 SF leagues I am in. Obviously before he unretired. I drafted a *lot* of T Marshall last year. And now I have 3 shares left. Dropped a lot of him and so did a lot of people. He just completely failed to flash. Carolina is a mess but that doesn't make me feel better about a year 2 leap.

 

[barackdhouse]

Baker is available in 1 of my SF.

 

[menobrown]

Lots of biggish names got dropped. In my leagues the most surprising I saw was also Ridley in one example, but Damien Harris, Hunter Henry, Henderson (x4), Gainwell.

The one player I had the hardest time cutting was Josh Palmer, and I did in fact keep him in several

 Noticed a Gainwell cut as well and thought that was second biggest one I saw.

I saw Henderson cut a few times but that did not raise an eyebrow with me as I don't have a very high opinion of him or put another way I don't think the Rams do.

Damien Harris is a head scratcher.

Josh Palmer I cut in 3 different leagues and I can't say it bothered me. He looked ok and obviously great QB in big time offensive division, was reason I had him rostered, and I'd have worked hard to find a way to keep him if they had not kept Mike Williams but can't say he looked so good he's worth the expected wait. In a league we see shocking trades go down left and right who knows and they can get out of Allen's contract relatively pain free after this next season. That still boiled down as being to much to hope falls into place and I don't see any meaningful value for him while Allen and Mike are healthy and I think they  still want to add more speed. Deep down a part of me was almost relieved they resigned Williams because two of the leagues I have Palmer were my two most difficult leagues to get my roster down.

Hunter Henry was a surprising drop in a superflex best ball league, but the team that dropped him was the league winner with a stacked team. Still, he should've been able to get a pick for him

I was prepared to cut Hunter in a standard FFPC league but I ended up making a move yesterday and kept him but the thing is I was trying to move him in multiple leagues and was getting constantly rejected for late seconds or any future second. Moved him in our league and paid a 4th to get a 2023#2 and moved him for just 3.6 in another league.  Just seems like most he was getting back in majority of my leagues was a third and a lot of people were rejecting me for even early thirds. He's the kind of player that had I not got a third I'd have cut before moving for a 4th.

I  drafted Marshall just once thankfully, at 1.12, and cut him. On that note I feel like I had a strong rookie drafts season last year yet it's the first time I can recall giving up on not just one first round pick so soon but two, in Sermon and Marshall. Sermon I packaged in a trade or I'd have cut him. Johnathan Franklin is the only other player I ever used a first round pick on I gave up on so quickly and he actually looked good but his career was over for injury.

 

[menobrown]

I had a few to many and accidentally dropped Jarvis Landry?

Man, that stinks if he you wanted him and that reminds me I saw him traded in a league yesterday and was surprised at what he got back which was  2.1 and a 2023#3. 

What especially surprised me is I had offered the guy Gallup last week for 2.1 and got NCR. If he had asked I would have sent him JuJu as well for the 2.1.  I'd take them both over Landry myself and he could have kept his 2023#3 but to each their own.

 

[phandango]

 I was prepared to cut Hunter in a standard FFPC league but I ended up making a move yesterday and kept him but the thing is I was trying to move him in multiple leagues and was getting constantly rejected for late seconds or any future second. Moved him in our league and paid a 4th to get a 2023#2 and moved him for just 3.6 in another league.  Just seems like most he was getting back in majority of my leagues was a third and a lot of people were rejecting me for even early thirds. He's the kind of player that had I not got a third I'd have cut before moving for a 4th.

Hunter Henry was traded for the 4.05 yesterday in superflex.

 

[phandango]

There was a guy in a superflex best ball league who just joined a couple weeks ago. Yesterday he made three trades, giving up picks for five players. He had 29 guys yesterday! Then he posted a message, after almost everyone in the league had cut to 16, asking if anyone wanted to trade picks for players, like he was surprised he had so many. 

 

[jabarony]

Different direction but regarding cut down deadline.

Where there any cuts in your leagues which surprised you?

I just reviewed my leagues and the one that really surprised me was a team cutting Calvin Ridley. This surprises me in general but especially because he kept a few players that are of little value, like Jamaal Williams. Also the guy likely never shopped him. I know I made a slew of offers for him before his suspension and you'd just think he'd see what I'd give up now.

What is the player you viewed as being the most valuable player to you that you just could not keep and had to cut?

For me that would be Evan Engram. I understand he's not been so great last few years but he's had some moments and I just think he's in a more TE friendly offense with better coaching and QB play then he's had since maybe he came into the league. Change of scenery might be just what he needs.  I kept him in 2 leagues but had to cut him in a third and drew the line at a third round pick or I'd just cut him and try to pick him back up and no one wanted to pay a third.  Had I not done a lot of trading I'd have had some incredibly hard cuts, all in pretty happy that Evan Engram ended up being the one that bothered me the most to cut the cord on.

I wish I had any shares of Engram

... just so I could cut him!

 

 

[menobrown]

I wish I had any shares of Engram

... just so I could cut him!

 

Someone paid 5.2 for him yesterday in a league but not a player people were paying much for and based on last 2.5 years can't blame them.

 

[jabarony]

Some interesting drops across my leagues.

Chris Carson x3 (I guess I'm the only believer left!)

OBJ
Robert Woods

Michael Gallup

David Mills (SF)

Logan Thomas

Tyler Higbee

Gus Edwards
Russell Gage x2

Drew Lock (SF)

FYI - 80% of these were in one SF/Bestball League.  My only one of this kind.  I really didn't look who was kept in lieu, but it shouldn't be that different from non-BB, should it?

 

[IHEARTFF]

I cut Gus Edwards after holding him for like 8 months in favor of DPJ and Jonnu Smith. 

 

[jabarony]

I cut Gus Edwards after holding him for like 8 months in favor of DPJ and Jonnu Smith. 

Love me some Gus.  I was riding high for 4(?) days when Dobbins went down.  Good times.

 

[Marauder]

Hey @phandango.  i just bought a team in one of your leagues ($250 Triflex #209) for $19 on Dynasty Depot.   Not a terrible team either, except at RB.  I couldn't believe it had a buy it now price of $19 so I just grabbed it.

QB: Carr, Fields, Z. Wilson

RB: Singletary, James Robinson, Gus Edwards, Mike Davis, S. Perine

WR: T. Higgins, Elijah Moore, Godwin, Juju, D. Mims

TE: Hockenson, Albert O, Logan Thomas

2022 Draft Picks: 1.2, 1.8, 2.2, 3.2, 4.2, 5.2, 6.2, 7.2, 8.2, 9.2
2023 Draft Picks: R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10

 

[barackdhouse]

FYI - 80% of these were in one SF/Bestball League.  My only one of this kind.  I really didn't look who was kept in lieu, but it shouldn't be that different from non-BB, should it?

You still have to cut to 16

 

[phandango]

Hey @phandango.  i just bought a team in one of your leagues ($250 Triflex #209) for $19 on Dynasty Depot.   Not a terrible team either, except at RB.  I couldn't believe it had a buy it now price of $19 so I just grabbed it.

QB: Carr, Fields, Z. Wilson

RB: Singletary, James Robinson, Gus Edwards, Mike Davis, S. Perine

WR: T. Higgins, Elijah Moore, Godwin, Juju, D. Mims

TE: Hockenson, Albert O, Logan Thomas

2022 Draft Picks: 1.2, 1.8, 2.2, 3.2, 4.2, 5.2, 6.2, 7.2, 8.2, 9.2
2023 Draft Picks: R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10

Yeah you could do a lot worse for $19. Pretty decent young WRs at least. The guy who won the league is pretty good in fantasy. He killed it last year, and he was just able to trade for the 1.01 too. 

 

[phandango]

In a 1QB league, the 1.01 was just traded for Aiyuk, 1.11, 1.12. 2.01 and 2.12. 

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

In a 1QB league, the 1.01 was just traded for Aiyuk, 1.11, 1.12. 2.01 and 2.12. 

Ugh, not enuf, particularly in this format.

I have offered AJ Brown straight up (guy needs wr and i need rb) for the 1.01 and in another lg offered Etienne+1.11 and was turned down in both. 

 

[menobrown]

I have offered AJ Brown straight up (guy needs wr and i need rb) for the 1.01 and in another lg offered Etienne+1.11 and was turned down in both. 

In various leagues I've offered:

Tyreek(1-2 days before he got traded)  to a team that needs a WR, the team that a few posts up I mentioned gave 2.1 and a 2023 #3 for Woods. That's only offer I made that even got a counter, he wanted Penny on top of Hill which at the time was to much for me.

Offered Dalvin Cook and some change in two leagues. Figured odds of accept were low in those since those teams are in rebuild, was hoping I could catch the guy who "needs to see it first".

Deebo and some change in another league to a WR needy team.

Again only response or counter I got back was on the Hill offer.

 

[menobrown]

I wanted to ask you all if your FFPC drafts start on May 8th, Mothers Day? All of mine do and it's not a huge deal but it's disappointing on a few levels.

Fellow FFPC member brought this to my attention and when he asked about was told they were trying to stagger drafts per player requests but if they are all the same day not seeing much of a stagger.

 

[joey]

I wanted to ask you all if your FFPC drafts start on May 8th, Mothers Day? All of mine do and it's not a huge deal but it's disappointing on a few levels.

Fellow FFPC member brought this to my attention and when he asked about was told they were trying to stagger drafts per player requests but if they are all the same day not seeing much of a stagger.

 I’m in 2 FFPC leagues. One starts on Sat May 7th and the other on Sun May 8th. It’s a slow draft so I don’t imagine I’d "miss" my pick because of Mother’s Day. 

 

[Marauder]

I wanted to ask you all if your FFPC drafts start on May 8th, Mothers Day? All of mine do and it's not a huge deal but it's disappointing on a few levels.

Fellow FFPC member brought this to my attention and when he asked about was told they were trying to stagger drafts per player requests but if they are all the same day not seeing much of a stagger.

Yes.  All mine are on 5/8 staggered between around 8am an 11am EST.

I didn't realize it was Mothers day.  Not a big deal for me but it could be for a lot of people.

 

[menobrown]

Thanks for the replies on the dates. Tells me some are in fact not on the 8th but seems like high minority. Barack and his 26 drafts could alter this but I'm only in 5 actual FFPC leagues(2 are private with FFPC players/rules) and they are all on the 8th.

Like I said it's not a big deal but I don't like it for this main reason.

The main one is you just hope to have the league as active and engaged as possible on draft day as that helps make trades, maybe even a little conversation. Holding it on Mothers' day does not help. This just seems more like a recipe for a few close to 8 hour clock runs. This will of course put more of the draft into the workweek and that's not an issue for me but it is for some and again not ideal if you were hoping to trying to make a league as active as possible.

If you are just show up and pick guy I don't think it matters one iota.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I have 8 teams and they are all on the 8th except for the (only) two 77's that I still own (I am letting my idiot brother run them). The 77's drafts are on the 7th. 

 

[barackdhouse]

Thanks for the replies on the dates. Tells me some are in fact not on the 8th but seems like high minority. Barack and his 26 drafts could alter this but I'm only in 5 actual FFPC leagues(2 are private with FFPC players/rules) and they are all on the 8th.

All of my $250 and $500 are on the 8th and the two $77s are on the 7th.

Soooo just a funny story about Mother's Day. It has always been one of the most boring days of my life since I was around 15 or 16 years old. My very feminist, well-educated, hippy mother (God rest her soul) who taught me a great deal about life and women specifically, started running off for Mother's Day weekend with all her girlfriends every year. For 30 years they have been doing this (the rest of them still do). They all have amazing houses in the woods and somebody would either host or over the last 15 years or so they have often rented luxurious beach houses.

They eat magic brownies, mushrooms, drink and smoke heavily, lots of loud music, do lots of arts and crafts, you know. But the two rules they have are No Men Allowed and No Bras Allowed. Well during one of their first events I made the mistake of calling my mom on Mother's Day to tell her I love her. Whichever drunk friend it was that answered yelled to my mom "I think it's your son!" like she was perturbed to have to be dealing with this. I heard my mom yell back "What the #### does he want?" And then we had a brief chat that I don't remember but that was the last time I ever talked to my mom on that day. All my other friends are (obviously) hanging out with their moms that day so it is typically super boring for me. I mean I'm not going to resort to watching baseball FFS.

 

[barackdhouse]

The main one is you just hope to have the league as active and engaged as possible on draft day as that helps make trades, maybe even a little conversation. Holding it on Mothers' day does not help. This just seems more like a recipe for a few close to 8 hour clock runs. This will of course put more of the draft into the workweek and that's not an issue for me but it is for some and again not ideal if you were hoping to trying to make a league as active as possible.

Yeah I agree it's not great timing

 

[phandango]

I've got 10 leagues, $250 to $750, and all are on 5/8. Seems like they're doing all the $77 leagues the day before? 

 

[phandango]

Guys, when your wives ask you why you're doing fantasy football on mother's day, just say, "Well, you're not *my* mother." Guaranteed to work. 

 

[barackdhouse]

Guys, when your wives ask you why you're doing fantasy football on mother's day, just say, "Well, you're not *my* mother." Guaranteed to work. 

My wife typically works on Sundays so I might get off on a technicality.

 

[Dez]

 I’m in 2 FFPC leagues. One starts on Sat May 7th and the other on Sun May 8th. It’s a slow draft so I don’t imagine I’d "miss" my pick because of Mother’s Day. 

Its not about missing your pick its about people being active.  Also I work Mon-Fri in the day time and I hate they are starting on Sunday.  Been in since year 2010 the 1st year FFPC started dynasty we have done Saturday start draft every year until this year.  I want to be around during the critical times of the draft the 1st and 2nd rounds.  If you start on Saturday odds are you usually get through the 1st and 2nd rounds.  While at work I can't monitor the draft I can't sit there and send trade offers if I need to make a move up ect.

FFPC is really frustrating me over the last few years changing stuff they lowered prizes a few years ago changing draft times now they used to do it 2 weeks after the NFL draft then 1 year they changed it to 1 week no vote or anything.  Hard to believe their servers can't handle all the drafts at once if you start on Sunday that still means all of them are going on the same time.  Move someone else to Sunday not mine.  I want it Saturday.  I don't want to miss trade chances and I don't want to sit there on Saturday while others are getting to draft.
 

 

[barackdhouse]

When you do a startup draft you can start earlier than the scheduled draft time if you have unanimous consent among all 12 teams. Why not apply that logic to the rookie draft(s)? Some leagues might start on Thursday or Friday. I agree it is hard to believe the servers can't handle it but maybe make the $77 leagues wait and get the higher value ones started on Saturday. Or at least prioritize the list in such a fashion. There aren't nearly as many higher stakes leagues so why not do those first and then down to as many if not all of the $250s before bumping anything to Sunday. Or yeah pick a different weekend.

 

[joey]

I've got 10 leagues, $250 to $750, and all are on 5/8. Seems like they're doing all the $77 leagues the day before? 

Checks out.
I have just 2 leagues and, yes, my $77 league is on Sat and my $250 league is on Sunday  

 

[Dez]

Since the Saturday and Sunday leagues will all be running at the same time on Sunday to me this makes zero sense when they start.  Stagger the Saturday start times but no reason to move them to Sunday. Like I said been playing since 2010 this has never happened before.  Frustrating.

 

[menobrown]

When you do a startup draft you can start earlier than the scheduled draft time if you have unanimous consent among all 12 teams. Why not apply that logic to the rookie draft(s)? Some leagues might start on Thursday or Friday

That logic actually does apply to rookie drafts, I've seen them started early for this reason.

 

[phandango]

That logic actually does apply to rookie drafts, I've seen them started early for this reason.

I think I've had a rookie draft start early too, but the problem is that you have to get all 12 owners to post on the archaic message board that they're ok with starting early.

 

[joey]

Could those of us in the FBG FFPC league agree to a different start time? I’d be game for starting a few days or a week later if that’s better for everyone? I don’t know what the mechanism is to make that change but I’m game if our commish @barackdhousecan get it through. 

 

[barackdhouse]

Could those of us in the FBG FFPC league agree to a different start time? I’d be game for starting a few days or a week later if that’s better for everyone? I don’t know what the mechanism is to make that change but I’m game if our commish @barackdhousecan get it through. 

It takes unanimous consent and and email to support. 

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I'm fine with starting whenever; however, it's been my experience that it is extremely difficult to get 12 owners to agree to start a draft earlier (or later I would imagine) than scheduled. Most vets want to get a look at adp from other drafts and you can't really blame them.

Personally I would like to see them start Friday night so we get all weekend, but nothing is perfect. Glad we are at the time on the calendar when we are complaining about the draft times cuz it means that the draft is almost here! 

 

[joey]

It takes unanimous consent and and email to support. 

I’m game for pushing it a week if we can get everyone to agree but I know that takes wrangling. I don’t think FFPC has polls/voting, do they? Makes it harder for sure. I’m fine with whatever. 

 

[barackdhouse]

I am doing my first TriFlex ever. In a startup right now. For anyone that doesn't know, no K or D, but still 10 FFPC starters.

QRRWWWTFFS 

Mahomes, Baker, Ridder
Barkley, Rachaad White, Zamir White, Pierre Strong, K Harris, K Ingram, Hines, Sermon
Deebo, E Moore, Toney, London, Crowder, Palmer
Pitts, Knox, Hurst

and I have two other peoples 2023 1sts but not my own. 

Finished now with the bolded being picked after the 12th round. I went into the 20th round with the prospect of only having 18 rostered, which is fine and I often come out of startups like that, but someone offered me Sermon for my 5th and I said sure I will roster him until September for a 5th. And then I moved a 6th for an OTC 20th rounder to take K Ingram because I saw an industry shark take him in a BB tourney the other day and so he hit my radar. I obviously am banking on one or more rookie RBs to hit here.

My hero-QB draft worked exactly as planned. Took Baker in the 19th and Ridder in the 20th and there are a couple other starting QBs on the wire as well. Yes I could have taken other middling QB options 10 rounds earlier instead of RB/WR/TE talent but I think that would be bad process.

https://myffpc.com/DraftBoard.aspx?ltuid=97A-DF26E86BE34D

 

[barackdhouse]

Look at this poor SOB's squad. Holy cow.

 

[ghostguy123]

Look at this poor SOB's squad. Holy cow.

Amazingly there are worse teams in the FFPC

 

[jabarony]

I’m game for pushing it a week if we can get everyone to agree but I know that takes wrangling. I don’t think FFPC has polls/voting, do they? Makes it harder for sure. I’m fine with whatever. 

I'm also good with any start time.

 

[menobrown]

On that Hindery valuation chart I held off until after cuts seeing how my teams rated and things got slow enough I finally broke down and did it. I don't agree obviously with all of his ratings, probably in general give RB's higher value and WR's lower but I did not in any way introduce any personal thought. Except for TE's I went straight from his ratings.

I did change the adjustment I made to TE's. I think I used a 20-25% markup on them last year to account for the extra half a point but looking at most TE's the extra half a point added accounted for 15% of their fantasy production so I took TE's down to a 15% increase.

I have 7 FFPC rules leagues but two are not with FFPC and the only difference in these leagues is I basically have two extra roster spots. On those leagues I removed the last two rated players which turned out to be ROJO(2), Evan Engram and Higbee.

Then I looked at this two ways. Value of my top 14 was first way. Second was value of my top 14 plus or minus picks in first two rounds for 2022 draft and for the 2023 draft I only added value for extra picks in first two rounds so no value given for my own first and second. Not saying third round picks don't have value, just did not want to get any deeper in the weeds.

Results ended up being about what I thought and won't bore people with details but this was the worst team in both top 14 value and using 2022 and additional 2023 first and second round pick value, coming in at 206 and 235 when using value of 2022 picks. This team was a good bit worst then any other team.

Watson, Hurts, Fields

Najee, Mixon, Hunt, Robinson, Gainwell

M Thomas, Cooper, Devonta Smith, Toney

Kmet, Henry

Value given for picks 1.4 and 2.4

My best team when using just top 14 was at 322 points to another team at 320 points but when using 2022 first two round picks and additional 2023 top two picks that team was narrowly passed 351 to 346. These two teams were ahead and shoulder above the rest.

All of this worked out about as I suspected.  My team in our FBG league was in middle of about all of them and about tied with a team of mine that is like a polar opposite which is an older team that has a really good projected starting lineup but lacks depth and is aging out.

 

[barackdhouse]

Not saying third round picks don't have value, just did not want to get any deeper in the weeds. Yeah that is where I stop as well. What you described in your post is basically exactly what I do. I haven't done it yet but I would like to compare my aggregate values on my teams to what Hindery has, but I know from repeated observation that most of the values and names are in pretty close alignment, other than some expected outliers. Where he and I really differ, and in some other calcs as well, is that I value draft picks a bit more. To his credit I think he differentiates between what he thinks of the specific class(es). He is a devy guy, too.

Results ended up being about what I thought and won't bore people with details but this was the worst team in both top 14 value and using 2022 and additional 2023 first and second round pick value, coming in at 206 and 235 when using value of 2022 picks. This team was a good bit worst then any other team.

Watson, Hurts, Fields

Najee, Mixon, Hunt, Robinson, Gainwell

M Thomas, Cooper, Devonta Smith, Toney

Kmet, Henry

Value given for picks 1.4 and 2.4

My best team when using just top 14 was at 322 points to another team at 320 points but when using 2022 first two round picks and additional 2023 top two picks that team was narrowly passed 351 to 346. These two teams were ahead and shoulder above the rest.

I ran your roster here through my values and came up with a bit higher number, 306. Which for my 1QB teams would be one of my better ones. I don't think that roster is so bad. I have each QB rated higher than Hindery, and in aggregate I am crediting 19 more Franchise Points (that is what I call them) at QB than he is. I am +15 on pick value, +12 on TE value*, +10 on WR (that is pretty marginal), and only a meager +5 on RB value. 

By comp my best 1QB team is at 367 (and I'll probably load that up into Hindery to see where it stacks) but I have my crappy orphans I bought last year that are as low as 193 right now. I consider 300 to be a *very rough* line of what makes a competitive playoff team. I think your roster above has some undervalued guys and can take a step up this year.

*I may not have done the TE comps right

 

[jabarony]

My team in our FBG league was in middle of about all of them and about tied with a team of mine that is like a polar opposite which is an older team that has a really good projected starting lineup but lacks depth and is aging out.

No depth?  Check.

Aging out?  Check.

Good starting lineup?  Nope!

For a minute there I thought you were referencing my squad.

 

[menobrown]

No depth?  Check.

Aging out?  Check.

Good starting lineup?  Nope!

For a minute there I thought you were referencing my squad.

I checked your squad and I can see the confusion.