FFPC dynasty and redraft leagues thread (6 Viewers)

[menobrown]

I acquired Chubb in one SF league last year as basically a throw in on a bigger deal and now I'm having hesitation to cut him even though I knew this was coming. My last cuts that are difficult. Between him and Nuk or a couple young RBs with upside but probably not worth a damn in Corum and Tucker.

Not that you asked me but I can't think of Nuk as being a keeper on any team. I only have him on one team, which is going to be down 3 WR's after cuts and of those WR's is WR3 on his own team(McMillan) and have not given keeping him a second thought....I'd likely keep Corum if I was your shoes.

 

[barackdhouse]

I acquired Chubb in one SF league last year as basically a throw in on a bigger deal and now I'm having hesitation to cut him even though I knew this was coming. My last cuts that are difficult. Between him and Nuk or a couple young RBs with upside but probably not worth a damn in Corum and Tucker.

Not that you asked me but I can't think of Nuk as being a keeper on any team. I only have him on one team, which is going to be down 3 WR's after cuts and of those WR's is WR3 on his own team(McMillan) and have not given keeping him a second thought....I'd likely keep Corum if I was your shoes.

oh I know I don't really see anything in Nuk moving forward it's more just getting over the mental hurdle for whatever reason.

 

[menobrown]

I was thinking the other day what's the worst keeper I'm planning to keep?

Keaton Mitchell was my easy winner who as of now I'm keeping in our Sharkpool league but cutting in a few others. He's the kind of guy I could cut and probably redraft in the latest of rounds so I can't argue it's bad strategy I just want to make sure I keep him one place and everything about that Sharkpool team makes it the ideal one to keep him. Henry, resigning Justice Hill, question if he'll ever be the same, it's a heavy dose of negative but he was so good his rookie year and with both of those other RB's older I just want to keep him one place.

 

[barackdhouse]

I acquired Chubb in one SF league last year as basically a throw in on a bigger deal and now I'm having hesitation to cut him even though I knew this was coming. My last cuts that are difficult. Between him and Nuk or a couple young RBs with upside but probably not worth a damn in Corum and Tucker.

Not that you asked me but I can't think of Nuk as being a keeper on any team. I only have him on one team, which is going to be down 3 WR's after cuts and of those WR's is WR3 on his own team(McMillan) and have not given keeping him a second thought....I'd likely keep Corum if I was your shoes.

Actually I think the problem for me is it's like admitting that you took a big L on the given player. Like I failed to somehow get trade value when it was possible therefore I'm a failure as a manager. Now the player is close to retired but still taking up space. The reality is it's an easy decision and I've made a million tougher FF cuts than anything I'm looking at this year. Chubb is the one that hurts. I'm mostly just being silly about this.

 

[barackdhouse]

I was thinking the other day what's the worst keeper I'm planning to keep?

Keaton Mitchell was my easy winner who as of now I'm keeping in our Sharkpool league but cutting in a few others. He's the kind of guy I could cut and probably redraft in the latest of rounds so I can't argue it's bad strategy I just want to make sure I keep him one place and everything about that Sharkpool team makes it the ideal one to keep him. Henry, resigning Justice Hill, question if he'll ever be the same, it's a heavy dose of negative but he was so good his rookie year and with both of those other RB's older I just want to keep him one place.

I was just glancing at your SP team the other day and I gotta say I think your future is bright. Like in 2025. Recent results notwithstanding I think your franchise is in solid shape. Now don't **** it up. Hehe

 

[menobrown]

Actually I think the problem for me is it's like admitting that you took a big L on the given player

I think that's always a factor in most of our minds.

I just posted about what I think is the worst player I intend to keep and one of the players I considered as my worst keeper is Kendre Miller. Who I am keeping everywhere but I have him, which is a lot, but what got in my head the other day is that I had not even considered cutting him and I'm sure if I had picked up him as a FA instead of blowing late 1's on him I'd at minimum gave stronger consideration to cutting him and probably moved on it in a few leagues.

 

[menobrown]

I was thinking the other day what's the worst keeper I'm planning to keep?

Keaton Mitchell was my easy winner who as of now I'm keeping in our Sharkpool league but cutting in a few others. He's the kind of guy I could cut and probably redraft in the latest of rounds so I can't argue it's bad strategy I just want to make sure I keep him one place and everything about that Sharkpool team makes it the ideal one to keep him. Henry, resigning Justice Hill, question if he'll ever be the same, it's a heavy dose of negative but he was so good his rookie year and with both of those other RB's older I just want to keep him one place.

I was just glancing at your SP team the other day and I gotta say I think your future is bright. Like in 2025. Recent results notwithstanding I think your franchise is in solid shape. Now don't **** it up. Hehe

Thanks but I will admit I thought it was in great shape heading into last year. Like I thought I had arrived! I knew the team lacked a bona fide big time stud but but 6 of my 7 non-QB position players were getting drafted in first 3 rounds of redrafts and the 7th was a 5th/6th. With some decent depth behind them seemed like a really deep strong young team and I that team has the worst season any team I have ever managed has ever had. Got a lot of firsts/worsts with this team, most confusing hard to get a handle on team I have ever dealt with.

 

[barackdhouse]

I was thinking the other day what's the worst keeper I'm planning to keep?

Keaton Mitchell was my easy winner who as of now I'm keeping in our Sharkpool league but cutting in a few others. He's the kind of guy I could cut and probably redraft in the latest of rounds so I can't argue it's bad strategy I just want to make sure I keep him one place and everything about that Sharkpool team makes it the ideal one to keep him. Henry, resigning Justice Hill, question if he'll ever be the same, it's a heavy dose of negative but he was so good his rookie year and with both of those other RB's older I just want to keep him one place.

I was just glancing at your SP team the other day and I gotta say I think your future is bright. Like in 2025. Recent results notwithstanding I think your franchise is in solid shape. Now don't **** it up. Hehe

Thanks but I will admit I thought it was in great shape heading into last year. Like I thought I had arrived! I knew the team lacked a bona fide big time stud but but 6 of my 7 non-QB position players were getting drafted in first 3 rounds of redrafts and the 7th was a 5th/6th. With some decent depth behind them seemed like a really deep strong young team and I that team has the worst season any team I have ever managed has ever had. Got a lot of firsts/worsts with this team, most confusing hard to get a handle on team I have ever dealt with.

Last year was crazy. Not sure how much I want to even try to make sense of it. I mean sometimes the probability wheel spins so strangely. For me, not just SP but everywhere - the dominance of Jamaar Chase and Josh Allen in fantasy just absolutely decimated my entire portfolio. And I was doing so fricking strong going into around week 13/14 and then just absolutely cratered.

I think sometimes you just have to tip your cap to your opponent(s) and think better luck next year but actually mean it! I'll probably be more bitter about 2024 than any season or maybe even any poker bad beat situation but I do still think the process was solid. I think being in 1st or 2nd place in 70% of your leagues come week 14 is a pretty good strategy ya know? ok it wasn't that high but I was rolling GD it.

 

[barackdhouse]

My worst players I'm keeping are probably between Sean Tucker in one spot and Michael Mayer in a couple other spots. I had hope MM might get traded and I still like to hold. My TE corps are not so great - I had some higher hopes in a couple guys like Ferguson and Kincaid. Don't really think I have much in Kmet and Otton but I have a few shares. Kittle, Ertz, Goedert dying on the vine so to speak otherwise not much out there.

I suspect Bowers will continue to break FF in a way that means I/we need to really clear the board and reevaluate the landscape, not just at TE. As I've said I've barely even looked at articles or anything this offseason. I've usually done dozens of drafts by now but this year I am at 0 so far. No peek at ADP or nothing. It will flow soon enough but yeah I think "you either build a redraft team with Bowers or you lose" is a plausible reality. In dynasty whoever has him is possibly the team to beat. McBride and LaPorta and some others are going to be worthy second tier acquisitions but when I used to speak of Kelce being the single biggest advantage in FF, now it's Bowers. Certainly in our TEP formats anyway but probably universally.

So anyway Michael Mayer is obviously not going to overtake Bowers in LV but I'm bottom feeding here and that's probably my lowest keeper ATM. He also probably gets dropped week 3 at the latest if the given squad is competitive.

 

[joey]

I acquired Chubb in one SF league last year as basically a throw in on a bigger deal and now I'm having hesitation to cut him even though I knew this was coming. My last cuts that are difficult. Between him and Nuk or a couple young RBs with upside but probably not worth a damn in Corum and Tucker.

I’d drop Tucker and keep Chubb for one last hurrah.
Chubb was dropped in one of my 3 FFPC Dynasty leagues fwiw

 

[Raging weasel]

I acquired Chubb in one SF league last year as basically a throw in on a bigger deal and now I'm having hesitation to cut him even though I knew this was coming. My last cuts that are difficult. Between him and Nuk or a couple young RBs with upside but probably not worth a damn in Corum and Tucker.

I had Chubb on an orphan I took over. Cut him and kept Dawdle and Vele instead.

 

[rockaction]

I think "you either build a redraft team with Bowers or you lose" is a plausible reality. In dynasty whoever has him is possibly the team to beat. McBride and LaPorta and some others are going to be worthy second tier acquisitions but when I used to speak of Kelce being the single biggest advantage in FF, now it's Bowers. Certainly in our TEP formats anyway but probably universally.

I'd pump the brakes on that one, barackd. Here's a counterpoint. It's a new coach and a new system coming to Las Vegas. A TEs usage volume is really susceptible to coaching preferences. Sneaky Pete Carroll loves to do two things: run the ball and to have his TEs block for those RBs. That right there should give one pause.

There's also competition for touches to consider. The Raiders’ running game last year was ineffective and was so bad that it was nonexistent. The Raiders were 32nd in rushing last year in per game yards, which placed them dead last in the league. So Las Vegas will likely be bringing in an RB from somewhere in the draft from a group of RBs that PFF has graded as an A+ class. If they don't draft one in the first round from the sixth position (a ton of mocks have mocked Ashton Jeanty there), then they will almost assuredly draft one in the later rounds, which means two new players potentially ascending the RB depth chart in Las Vegas (Raheem Mostert and the draft pick). So already you're talking about competition for touches where Bowers had absolutely none last year from the backfield. That immediately takes away some of his behind-the-line of scrimmage jet sweeps/carries and some of his designed catches coming from pick plays and screens.

When thinking about WR, outside of Jakobi Meyers—who is a good WR2 but not a burner athlete like Bowers is—there was also no competition last year for touches. There likely will be this year, although if they don't draft a WR until late, or even if they sign a veteran, I don't see either of those circumstances as really deleterious to Bowers's catching the ball or his volume downfield, so that's a little more muted. But there's no doubt their WR room was poor last year, and if they draft one in the first or second round of this draft, then you're looking at stiff competition for the ball. Again, a potential and likely decrease in touches or designed plays.

In addition, I think that much like Jonnu Smith and Miami's almost inexplicable change in strategy to throw the ball short and to the tight end so that he might run with it, the short game the Raiders played with Bowers last year might be an aberration and it likely won't happen as much again this year. One factor that helped Bowers have such a volume of shorter plays (aside from the fact that he's a great athlete) is that last year it was apparent that neither of the Raiders QBs had much arm strength. Gardner Minshew's is comically bad, and Aidan O'Connell was limited in that regard. So not only were short, designed plays going to Bowers, but checkdowns were also going to him because Minshew and O'Connell couldn't drive the ball far enough or get the ball downfield under pressure. Bowers became an intermediate and short outlet.

So to sum it all up, Bowers is an incredible talent, but I can't imagine old school Pete is going to use him like Antonio Pierce did when Pete's going to have other guys to get touches to and Geno Smith to throw them or hand them off. Pierce had absolutely no weapons to speak of and quarterbacks with noodle arms. Carroll is not presented with that problem, and the strong-armed Geno is night and day from the two aforementioned QBs. Therefore, I think that the "premium" part of TEP, where the scores go bonkers and where the increase in those scores comes from the amount of points awarded per catch (1.5) without regard to yards, won’t be as significant this year for Bowers as it was last year.

To wit, look at Sam LaPorta's 2024 stats compared to his 2023 stats. Twenty-six less catches and over one hundred and fifty fewer yards. He also had three less touchdowns. (I think the drop in TDs is just typical variance and noise, but still.) This is likely all because Jameson Williams becomes an every-day player, Gibbs demands more touches, and there's a similar pie to go around. We saw LaPorta's fantasy production drop at a pretty good clip.

I'm not saying that a drop in production will be the end result for Bowers (who knows?) but formulating an entire strategy around one guy for fifty or so fantasy squads, or overpaying to acquire Bowers in dynasty—I mean, he's the most valuable player in my dynasty league according to FBG, so you're going to overpay and overpay dearly by the very nature of it—when the situation on his own team has changed drastically from last year might not work. Bowers might not be as far-and-away dwarfing everybody nor as ultimately foundational as we think.

I think he'll be good. I just don't know if he's going to make it so one has to re-write their mental rules about dynasty or redraft to compete with the teams that have him, as you seem to be suggesting.

Anyway, this was just spitballing and fun to write. Best of luck, barack. Catch you as the season gets closer.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think "you either build a redraft team with Bowers or you lose" is a plausible reality. In dynasty whoever has him is possibly the team to beat. McBride and LaPorta and some others are going to be worthy second tier acquisitions but when I used to speak of Kelce being the single biggest advantage in FF, now it's Bowers. Certainly in our TEP formats anyway but probably universally.

I'd pump the brakes on that one, barackd. Here's a counterpoint. It's a new coach and a new system coming to Las Vegas. A TEs usage volume is really susceptible to coaching preferences. Sneaky Pete Carroll loves to do two things: run the ball and to have his TEs block for those RBs. That right there should give one pause.

There's also competition for touches to consider. The Raiders’ running game last year was ineffective and was so bad that it was nonexistent. The Raiders were 32nd in rushing last year in per game yards, which placed them dead last in the league. So Las Vegas will likely be bringing in an RB from somewhere in the draft from a group of RBs that PFF has graded as an A+ class. If they don't draft one in the first round from the sixth position (a ton of mocks have mocked Ashton Jeanty there), then they will almost assuredly draft one in the later rounds, which means two new players potentially ascending the RB depth chart in Las Vegas (Raheem Mostert and the draft pick). So already you're talking about competition for touches where Bowers had absolutely none last year from the backfield. That immediately takes away some of his behind-the-line of scrimmage jet sweeps/carries and some of his designed catches coming from pick plays and screens.

When thinking about WR, outside of Jakobi Meyers—who is a good WR2 but not a burner athlete like Bowers is—there was also no competition last year for touches. There likely will be this year, although if they don't draft a WR until late, or even if they sign a veteran, I don't see either of those circumstances as really deleterious to Bowers's catching the ball or his volume downfield, so that's a little more muted. But there's no doubt their WR room was poor last year, and if they draft one in the first or second round of this draft, then you're looking at stiff competition for the ball. Again, a potential and likely decrease in touches or designed plays.

In addition, I think that much like Jonnu Smith and Miami's almost inexplicable change in strategy to throw the ball short and to the tight end so that he might run with it, the short game the Raiders played with Bowers last year might be an aberration and it likely won't happen as much again this year. One factor that helped Bowers have such a volume of shorter plays (aside from the fact that he's a great athlete) is that last year it was apparent that neither of the Raiders QBs had much arm strength. Gardner Minshew's is comically bad, and Aidan O'Connell was limited in that regard. So not only were short, designed plays going to Bowers, but checkdowns were also going to him because Minshew and O'Connell couldn't drive the ball far enough or get the ball downfield under pressure. Bowers became an intermediate and short outlet.

So to sum it all up, Bowers is an incredible talent, but I can't imagine old school Pete is going to use him like Antonio Pierce did when Pete's going to have other guys to get touches to and Geno Smith to throw them or hand them off. Pierce had absolutely no weapons to speak of and quarterbacks with noodle arms. Carroll is not presented with that problem, and the strong-armed Geno is night and day from the two aforementioned QBs. Therefore, I don't think that the "premium" part of TEP where the scores go bonkers and which comes from the amount of catches alone, will be as significant this year as it was last year.

To wit, look at Sam LaPorta's 2024 stats compared to his 2023 stats. Twenty-six less catches and over one hundred and fifty fewer yards. He also had three less touchdowns. (I think the drop in TDs is just typical variance and noise, but still.) This is likely all because Jameson Williams becomes an every-day player, Gibbs demands more touches, and there's a similar pie to go around. We saw LaPorta's fantasy production drop at a pretty good clip.

I'm not saying that a drop in production will be the end result for Bowers (who knows?) but formulating an entire strategy around one guy for fifty or so fantasy squads, or overpaying to acquire Bowers in dynasty—I mean, he's the most valuable player in my dynasty league according to FBG, so you're going to overpay and overpay dearly by the very nature of it—when the situation on his own team has changed drastically from last year might not work. Bowers might not be as far-and-away dwarfing everybody nor as ultimately foundational as we think.

I think he'll be good. I just don't know if he's going to make it so one has to re-write their mental rules about dynasty or redraft to compete with the teams that have him, as you seem to be suggesting.

Anyway, this was just spitballing and fun to write. Best of luck, barack. Catch you as the season gets closer.

all I said was it was plausible

 

[rockaction]

I think "you either build a redraft team with Bowers or you lose" is a plausible reality. In dynasty whoever has him is possibly the team to beat. McBride and LaPorta and some others are going to be worthy second tier acquisitions but when I used to speak of Kelce being the single biggest advantage in FF, now it's Bowers. Certainly in our TEP formats anyway but probably universally.

I'd pump the brakes on that one, barackd. Here's a counterpoint. It's a new coach and a new system coming to Las Vegas. A TEs usage volume is really susceptible to coaching preferences. Sneaky Pete Carroll loves to do two things: run the ball and to have his TEs block for those RBs. That right there should give one pause.

There's also competition for touches to consider. The Raiders’ running game last year was ineffective and was so bad that it was nonexistent. The Raiders were 32nd in rushing last year in per game yards, which placed them dead last in the league. So Las Vegas will likely be bringing in an RB from somewhere in the draft from a group of RBs that PFF has graded as an A+ class. If they don't draft one in the first round from the sixth position (a ton of mocks have mocked Ashton Jeanty there), then they will almost assuredly draft one in the later rounds, which means two new players potentially ascending the RB depth chart in Las Vegas (Raheem Mostert and the draft pick). So already you're talking about competition for touches where Bowers had absolutely none last year from the backfield. That immediately takes away some of his behind-the-line of scrimmage jet sweeps/carries and some of his designed catches coming from pick plays and screens.

When thinking about WR, outside of Jakobi Meyers—who is a good WR2 but not a burner athlete like Bowers is—there was also no competition last year for touches. There likely will be this year, although if they don't draft a WR until late, or even if they sign a veteran, I don't see either of those circumstances as really deleterious to Bowers's catching the ball or his volume downfield, so that's a little more muted. But there's no doubt their WR room was poor last year, and if they draft one in the first or second round of this draft, then you're looking at stiff competition for the ball. Again, a potential and likely decrease in touches or designed plays.

In addition, I think that much like Jonnu Smith and Miami's almost inexplicable change in strategy to throw the ball short and to the tight end so that he might run with it, the short game the Raiders played with Bowers last year might be an aberration and it likely won't happen as much again this year. One factor that helped Bowers have such a volume of shorter plays (aside from the fact that he's a great athlete) is that last year it was apparent that neither of the Raiders QBs had much arm strength. Gardner Minshew's is comically bad, and Aidan O'Connell was limited in that regard. So not only were short, designed plays going to Bowers, but checkdowns were also going to him because Minshew and O'Connell couldn't drive the ball far enough or get the ball downfield under pressure. Bowers became an intermediate and short outlet.

So to sum it all up, Bowers is an incredible talent, but I can't imagine old school Pete is going to use him like Antonio Pierce did when Pete's going to have other guys to get touches to and Geno Smith to throw them or hand them off. Pierce had absolutely no weapons to speak of and quarterbacks with noodle arms. Carroll is not presented with that problem, and the strong-armed Geno is night and day from the two aforementioned QBs. Therefore, I don't think that the "premium" part of TEP where the scores go bonkers and which comes from the amount of catches alone, will be as significant this year as it was last year.

To wit, look at Sam LaPorta's 2024 stats compared to his 2023 stats. Twenty-six less catches and over one hundred and fifty fewer yards. He also had three less touchdowns. (I think the drop in TDs is just typical variance and noise, but still.) This is likely all because Jameson Williams becomes an every-day player, Gibbs demands more touches, and there's a similar pie to go around. We saw LaPorta's fantasy production drop at a pretty good clip.

I'm not saying that a drop in production will be the end result for Bowers (who knows?) but formulating an entire strategy around one guy for fifty or so fantasy squads, or overpaying to acquire Bowers in dynasty—I mean, he's the most valuable player in my dynasty league according to FBG, so you're going to overpay and overpay dearly by the very nature of it—when the situation on his own team has changed drastically from last year might not work. Bowers might not be as far-and-away dwarfing everybody nor as ultimately foundational as we think.

I think he'll be good. I just don't know if he's going to make it so one has to re-write their mental rules about dynasty or redraft to compete with the teams that have him, as you seem to be suggesting.

Anyway, this was just spitballing and fun to write. Best of luck, barack. Catch you as the season gets closer.

all I said was it was plausible

All that damn typing.

LOL. Touché.

 

[menobrown]

I think "you either build a redraft team with Bowers or you lose" is a plausible reality. In dynasty whoever has him is possibly the team to beat. McBride and LaPorta and some others are going to be worthy second tier acquisitions but when I used to speak of Kelce being the single biggest advantage in FF, now it's Bowers. Certainly in our TEP formats anyway but probably universally.

I'd pump the brakes on that one, barackd.

I'll add something to this, and be a little more brief, lol.

Last year in FFPC I traded 8/11 for 4 and took Bowers. A few weeks ago I made trade with the same team that I traded up with last year. Giving away the right to draft Bowers must have stuck in his head because when he accepted my trade offer I recently made to him he wrote a message saying he was taking the L for that trade and had concluded that if he had Bowers he'd have gone 10-4 instead of 7-7. My team had a 4 win increase but can't say he was solely attributable to that.

I'm in 7 FFPC rules leagues and the teams that had Bowers finished first(2), third, 4th, 6th, 6th and did not make the playoffs.

My conclusion is that while I think he's worth the first pick of a TEP startup and is a huge difference maker no player is IMO rises to level of you can't win without them or beat the team with them.

But Barack, if you want to load up on Bowers you should have ample opportunity. You mentioned in your post the other day you have not been following ADP so spoiler alert, he's actualy fallen a little bit from earler this off-season and in last 10 days in that Big Gorilla he's going as player 7. I got him higher then that for sure but have had 3 chances so far to draft him this off-seaon and passed. (Chase, Bijan and Barkley)

 

[rockaction]

I'll add something to this, and be a little more brief, lol.

 

[Penguin]

A few minutes ago I was offered and accepted my most likely lat e2026 3rd for J.Ford and M.Geisicki. My two drops were M.Brown and I.Avosias, pretty weak 15th/16th keepers and my only rostered TE was JT Sanders.

My RB keepers were Najee, Kamara and R.Stevenson so Ford helps there. I also intend to address RB at 1.09 & 1.12 with 2.09 and 3.01 available for a 3rd TE and another WR as I already have J.Jefferson, Puka, Aiyuk, McMillon, K.Coleman and C.Ridley and have Hurts & Burrow at QB.

I think it was worth it to bolster 2 areas of weakness for such little draft capitol.

 

[joey]

In a 1QB league, I had McLaughlin and Estime on the block and kept lowering my price and no one was even biting at 5th…then thinking of all the picks I have (1.6, 2.2, 2.6, 2.7, 3.9, 4.6, 5.6, 5.10, 7.6) I decided to take them off the block and if Denver doesn’t draft an RB high, then I might just redraft them instead of giving them to another team “for free”.

 

[joey]

My worst keeper: in a Triflex league, my 16th keeper was Justice Hill.
I acquired Najee (and McLaughlin) for a late 2nd before Najee signed with the Chargers.
Yesterday the Vidal owner offered me Vidal for a 6th for 7th round pick swap so I’d have a Najee handcuff. I thought why the heck not.

So now my worst keeper is Vidal

 

[Raging weasel]

Just started playing at FFPC this year and bought 2 orphans. Worst keepers are D Vele in one and the other T Benson,D Wicks and C Tillman.

 

[joey]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

 

[C & C]

I have 2 FFPC 1 QB Best Ball teams, 25 QBs kept in one and 26 in the other. I only kept 1 QB for each league. Maybe it's the best ball aspect, but seems like a lot of QB keepers for start 1, out of 14 keepers per team (not counting K and Def).

 

[menobrown]

I have 2 FFPC 1 QB Best Ball teams, 25 QBs kept in one and 26 in the other. I only kept 1 QB for each league. Maybe it's the best ball aspect, but seems like a lot of QB keepers for start 1, out of 14 keepers per team (not counting K and Def).

Amount of Qb's in my non-BB one regular FFPC leagues with amount of teams that kept one, 2 and 3 QB's:

24: 1/10/1
23: 3/7/2
22: 5/4/3
23: 3/7/2
21: 4/7/1

So just a little less then your leagues but keeping two QB's is more the norm then keeping one and only about one out of every 4 teams kept just one QB.

I kept one QB in 2 out of my 5.

I'm of the opinion one is best case scenario but that often collides with wanting to keep the best 14. Did have one year I kept 3. Hurts, Herbert, and Watson before his issues cropped up. Did that one off-season, and ended up trading the wrong guy(Hurts) for peanuts. One of 3 leagues I ended up giving up Hurts for a second because he was my QB2 or QB3. I'd have been better holding in all 3 cases.

 

[barackdhouse]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

 

[barackdhouse]

I have 2 FFPC 1 QB Best Ball teams, 25 QBs kept in one and 26 in the other. I only kept 1 QB for each league. Maybe it's the best ball aspect, but seems like a lot of QB keepers for start 1, out of 14 keepers per team (not counting K and Def).

Amount of Qb's in my non-BB one regular FFPC leagues with amount of teams that kept one, 2 and 3 QB's:

24: 1/10/1
23: 3/7/2
22: 5/4/3
23: 3/7/2
21: 4/7/1

So just a little less then your leagues but keeping two QB's is more the norm then keeping one and only about one out of every 4 teams kept just one QB.

I kept one QB in 2 out of my 5.

I'm of the opinion one is best case scenario but that often collides with wanting to keep the best 14. Did have one year I kept 3. Hurts, Herbert, and Watson before his issues cropped up. Did that one off-season, and ended up trading the wrong guy(Hurts) for peanuts. One of 3 leagues I ended up giving up Hurts for a second because he was my QB2 or QB3. I'd have been better holding in all 3 cases.

Only one team in our SP league kept just one QB, and it wasn't me!

 

[Marauder]

I have 2 FFPC 1 QB Best Ball teams, 25 QBs kept in one and 26 in the other. I only kept 1 QB for each league. Maybe it's the best ball aspect, but seems like a lot of QB keepers for start 1, out of 14 keepers per team (not counting K and Def).

Amount of Qb's in my non-BB one regular FFPC leagues with amount of teams that kept one, 2 and 3 QB's:

24: 1/10/1
23: 3/7/2
22: 5/4/3
23: 3/7/2
21: 4/7/1

So just a little less then your leagues but keeping two QB's is more the norm then keeping one and only about one out of every 4 teams kept just one QB.

I kept one QB in 2 out of my 5.

I'm of the opinion one is best case scenario but that often collides with wanting to keep the best 14. Did have one year I kept 3. Hurts, Herbert, and Watson before his issues cropped up. Did that one off-season, and ended up trading the wrong guy(Hurts) for peanuts. One of 3 leagues I ended up giving up Hurts for a second because he was my QB2 or QB3. I'd have been better holding in all 3 cases.

Only one team in our SP league kept just one QB, and it wasn't me!

Yeah. It was me, and I had the worst group of QB's in the league before the cuts.

 

[C & C]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

I cut Hollywood and Dobbins in one league. Made some trades which pushed them down my roster.

Couldn't get any picks for either.

 

[barackdhouse]

Only one team in our SP league kept just one QB, and it wasn't me!

Yeah. It was me, and I had the worst group of QB's in the league before the cuts.

makes sense to me the route you went. Geno and Rodgers are replacement level at best and the rest of your squad is undroppable. Mmmmmmaybe Shakir but not for either of those two QBs.

 

[Raging weasel]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Jalen Coker
Rashod Bateman
Christian Watson
Stefon Diggs

 

[acarey50]

The last cut in our Triflex league came down to Sinnott and Coker. Tried to deal one for a pick of some sort or to package up to a better keeper, but nothing came to fruition before the deadline.

Ended up keeping Coker but it was not an easy decision despite having McBride and Andrews at TE as well.

 

[Raging weasel]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Offered a Ford owner my 3.4 for him which he rejected and then cut him 6 hours later

 

[Raging weasel]

Now that teams have cut down to 16 can you do trades that put you back over 16?

 

[Marauder]

Now that teams have cut down to 16 can you do trades that put you back over 16?

Yes. From now until the final cutdown there are no roster limits.

 

[menobrown]

Some notable cuts from my leagues:

Tank Dell in 80%

C Watson in 40%

Wicks in 40%

Addoni Mitchell 40%

Bateman 40%

Penix 40%

McCarthy 40%

Dalton Schultz 60%


In terms of keepers I think I was most surprised to see every team except my team that had Sam Darnold kept him, these are all standard one QB leagues. I appreciate his service, did the job for my team but MIN Darnold and SEA Darnold are not the same caliber of fantasy player IMO.

 

[joey]

In terms of keepers I think I was most surprised to see every team except my team that had Sam Darnold kept him, these are all standard one QB leagues. I appreciate his service, did the job for my team but MIN Darnold and SEA Darnold are not the same caliber of fantasy player IMO.

I sold Darnold last October in 1 league for a 2nd and in our SharkPool FFPC league in November for a 3rd. Seemed like a quintessential Sell High last year if you weren’t in Win Now mode or didn’t have someone obviously better.

 

[barackdhouse]

Anybody do any of those Big Gorilla tourneys yet? I'm doing my first tonight.

It's what used to be the $350 FBG redraft tourneys. Different sponsors different names now it's Big Gorilla IDK.

 

[Dez]

Anybody do any of those Big Gorilla tourneys yet? I'm doing my first tonight.

It's what used to be the $350 FBG redraft tourneys. Different sponsors different names now it's Big Gorilla IDK.

I must not understand the rules because I have seen 2 draft boards and both of them at least 1 team took early QB's and in the other 2 teams did this and in both 1 team took 3 high QB's.

In 1 of them a guy took Lamar in the 2nd and Hurts in the 4th and in that same league another guy took Daniels in the 3rd, Mahomes in the 7th and Goff in 12th
Then I was like this is wacky but in another one someone took both Lamar and Josh Allen in back to back rounds 2nd/3rd and then followed it up with Mayfield in the 9th

Seems like dead money to me unless I am not understand the rules

 

[barackdhouse]

Anybody do any of those Big Gorilla tourneys yet? I'm doing my first tonight.

It's what used to be the $350 FBG redraft tourneys. Different sponsors different names now it's Big Gorilla IDK.

I must not understand the rules because I have seen 2 draft boards and both of them at least 1 team took early QB's and in the other 2 teams did this and in both 1 team took 3 high QB's.

In 1 of them a guy took Lamar in the 2nd and Hurts in the 4th and in that same league another guy took Daniels in the 3rd, Mahomes in the 7th and Goff in 12th
Then I was like this is wacky but in another one someone took both Lamar and Josh Allen in back to back rounds 2nd/3rd and then followed it up with Mayfield in the 9th

Seems like dead money to me unless I am not understand the rules

no that's just some weird drafting and I hope I get somebody like that in mine. the rules haven't changed.

 

[menobrown]

Anybody do any of those Big Gorilla tourneys yet? I'm doing my first tonight.

It's what used to be the $350 FBG redraft tourneys. Different sponsors different names now it's Big Gorilla IDK.

I must not understand the rules because I have seen 2 draft boards and both of them at least 1 team took early QB's and in the other 2 teams did this and in both 1 team took 3 high QB's.

In 1 of them a guy took Lamar in the 2nd and Hurts in the 4th and in that same league another guy took Daniels in the 3rd, Mahomes in the 7th and Goff in 12th
Then I was like this is wacky but in another one someone took both Lamar and Josh Allen in back to back rounds 2nd/3rd and then followed it up with Mayfield in the 9th

Seems like dead money to me unless I am not understand the rules

It’s the same rule as the old $350.

This just has a sub contest for early drafters and when you enter the draft room it makes some jungle sound. Otherwise, same thing.

 

[barackdhouse]

Ok just finished up and as always I don't hate it. Not gonna try to defend it in April. Some definitely interesting things from the board. https://myffpc.com/DraftBoard.aspx?ltuid=C1E-EA40EF95A3DD

From the 4 spot:

J Allen
Bijan, Swift, Bigsby, Ford, Skattebo, R Sanders
Tyreek, Mike Evans, Jameson Williams, Mims, Q Johnston, Doubs, Palmer, Coker
LaPorta, Njoku, Likely
K & D

Notes:

77 RBs were drafted - 19 of them rookies

QB7 - Bo Nix
QB14 - Drake Maye **by the same owner**

2 rookie TEs taken in the top 12
Warren TE7
Loveland TE12
Andrews TE13
Engram TE14

 

[barackdhouse]

the order of the rookie RBs:

JEANTY

HAMPTON

HENDERSON

JUDKINS

KALEB

SKATTEBO RB38

HARVEY

TUTEN

SAMPSON RB45

GIDDENS

NEAL

MARTINEZ

GORDON II

ENT

SMITH RB65

JOHNSON

SANDERS RB 74

ALLEN JR

NOEL

 

[Fish]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Some notable cuts from my leagues:

Tank Dell in 80%

C Watson in 40%

Wicks in 40%

Addoni Mitchell 40%

Bateman 40%

Penix 40%

McCarthy 40%

Dalton Schultz 60%


In terms of keepers I think I was most surprised to see every team except my team that had Sam Darnold kept him, these are all standard one QB leagues. I appreciate his service, did the job for my team but MIN Darnold and SEA Darnold are not the same caliber of fantasy player IMO.

I'm in three $1250 standard 1 QB:

- Jonnu Smith.....where do you think he belongs in the rookie drafts?
-Rachaad White
-Mayer
-Fields
-Chubb (not surprised)

None were auto cuts

 

[joey]

Jonnu Smith.....where do you think he belongs in the rookie drafts?

Mid/Late 2nd depending on if you think Jonnu stays close to last year’s level.

 

[joey]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

 

[barackdhouse]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

Yet another example that starting QBs can be found on the wire in 1QB FFPC leagues. Yeah that one is surprising though. I want to say that I'd do the same if it meant keeping a legit RB/WR/TE asset, but my guess is if you showed us the rest of their roster there is someone I'd easily drop for Stroud. Or who I would have marketed hard before the trade deadline. That said I have had a few rosters over the years where I would probably drop him if I had to. Wouldn't like it and I would have been hitting the trade wires really hard.

 

[menobrown]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

Yet another example that starting QBs can be found on the wire in 1QB FFPC leagues. Yeah that one is surprising though. I want to say that I'd do the same if it meant keeping a legit RB/WR/TE asset, but my guess is if you showed us the rest of their roster there is someone I'd easily drop for Stroud. Or who I would have marketed hard before the trade deadline. That said I have had a few rosters over the years where I would probably drop him if I had to. Wouldn't like it and I would have been hitting the trade wires really hard.

I thought he was held in higher value so to me it's surprising. Maybe the guy just figured if all I can get back is like third I'd rather try and draft him back?

But tbh there are other QB's cut in some of my leagues I'd rather have, many more I put on par.

To Baracks point you can find starting QB's in this format on the wire with no real issue. I know we had the discussion earlier on who was our least valuable keepers and I feel like mine ended up being Brock Purdy and I put him on par with Stroud, has actually outperformed him in PPG each of Strouds two seasons. Both very similar to me in that they project as inconsistent low end QB1's and to truly put a high value a QB in this format I'm looking for upside or at least more consistency then what these two have shown.

 

[Raging weasel]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

Yeah,that error crash sucks. I've been trying to go through the free agents to find some non rookie draft targets but have only gotten to the second page a couple times. Seems to error out 75% of the time when going from first to second page and 100% when trying to get to the third page
In my $77 leagues they keep about 1/3 of the entry fees($324) What are they doing with all that money because it sure isnt going into the website

 

[barackdhouse]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

Yeah,that error crash sucks. I've been trying to go through the free agents to find some non rookie draft targets but have only gotten to the second page a couple times. Seems to error out 75% of the time when going from first to second page and 100% when trying to get to the third page
In my $77 leagues they keep about 1/3 of the entry fees($324) What are they doing with all that money because it sure isnt going into the website

to go ahead and pile on... during the season their projections are wildly inaccurate on known value stuff, so like a guy on IR that is projected for points. OR dude broke his leg but hasn't landed on IR yet but is projected for like half his game average. Because the system is just going with weird percentages, like player x is injured but not yet inactive, so they project some % of their full value if they were healthy and active. weird stuff that makes no sense in the database. then when someone is name active or inactive it never seems to get updated in terms of the projections. The main issue for me is it makes sorting problematic. Coach hasn't named a starter at QB yet so the system gives the two candidates (typically) half the full game output. That kind of stuff.

 

[joey]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

Yet another example that starting QBs can be found on the wire in 1QB FFPC leagues. Yeah that one is surprising though. I want to say that I'd do the same if it meant keeping a legit RB/WR/TE asset, but my guess is if you showed us the rest of their roster there is someone I'd easily drop for Stroud. Or who I would have marketed hard before the trade deadline. That said I have had a few rosters over the years where I would probably drop him if I had to. Wouldn't like it and I would have been hitting the trade wires really hard.

I thought he was held in higher value so to me it's surprising. Maybe the guy just figured if all I can get back is like third I'd rather try and draft him back?

But tbh there are other QB's cut in some of my leagues I'd rather have, many more I put on par.

To Baracks point you can find starting QB's in this format on the wire with no real issue. I know we had the discussion earlier on who was our least valuable keepers and I feel like mine ended up being Brock Purdy and I put him on par with Stroud, has actually outperformed him in PPG each of Strouds two seasons. Both very similar to me in that they project as inconsistent low end QB1's and to truly put a high value a QB in this format I'm looking for upside or at least more consistency then what these two have shown.

Looking back at which team dropped him…yup. Back to back champ with an absolutely STACKED roster and Josh Allen at QB. So why he dropped him makes more sense. Interesting that he’s available in the rookie/free agent draft nonetheless

 

[barackdhouse]

And interesting “Automated cuts by ADP” in your leagues?

In my 3 leagues, there was only 1 team that was one player over at the drop deadline in a 1QB league, and their auto-cut was Jerome Ford. I mention it because Ford has been involved in a few trades in the Dynasty Trades thread for 4th rounders (iirc).

Not necessarily controversial but just a couple that caught my attention:

McLaughlin (not surprising)
Sinnott
McMillan (aren't many peeps really high on him? he is off my radar right now)
Wicks

Those were auto-cuts but some of the manual cuts are much much more interesting, even if only from a "let's pour one out for them" POV:

Keenan Allen
Tank Dell
Christian Watson
Hollywood Brown
Ekeler
Singletary, K Miller
Diontae Johnson
Dobbins
Sinnott again
Jonathon Brooks
J Sanders (thought he wasviewed higher)

Speaking of surprising FFPC cuts…

As I was updating my Watch List (mostly useless in FFPC since the Stats tab errors out half the time forcing you to log out and in again, but I digress….) I just noticed in 1 of my 1QB FFPC leagues that Stroud was cut.

Yet another example that starting QBs can be found on the wire in 1QB FFPC leagues. Yeah that one is surprising though. I want to say that I'd do the same if it meant keeping a legit RB/WR/TE asset, but my guess is if you showed us the rest of their roster there is someone I'd easily drop for Stroud. Or who I would have marketed hard before the trade deadline. That said I have had a few rosters over the years where I would probably drop him if I had to. Wouldn't like it and I would have been hitting the trade wires really hard.

I thought he was held in higher value so to me it's surprising. Maybe the guy just figured if all I can get back is like third I'd rather try and draft him back?

But tbh there are other QB's cut in some of my leagues I'd rather have, many more I put on par.

To Baracks point you can find starting QB's in this format on the wire with no real issue. I know we had the discussion earlier on who was our least valuable keepers and I feel like mine ended up being Brock Purdy and I put him on par with Stroud, has actually outperformed him in PPG each of Strouds two seasons. Both very similar to me in that they project as inconsistent low end QB1's and to truly put a high value a QB in this format I'm looking for upside or at least more consistency then what these two have shown.

Looking back at which team dropped him…yup. Back to back champ with an absolutely STACKED roster and Josh Allen at QB. So why he dropped him makes more sense. Interesting that he’s available in the rookie/free agent draft nonetheless

Yeah that makes sense. Yeah I mean so how high does he go? My guess is early to mid 2nd but that's steep.