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Finding common ground (1 Viewer)

And I think this is something most people can agree on...
I know!  Except the ###holes in Washington.  And, admittedly, some coal miners who don't want to be retrained, they want to do what they already know how to do.  And I understand that.  But there could be great gains for those communities.

 
Ok, based on the response ITT it sounds like I should be the next democratic nominee for president.  I'm honored to accept, where's my Goldman Sach's speaking schedule?

 
Ok, based on the response ITT it sounds like I should be the next democratic nominee for president.  I'm honored to accept, where's my Goldman Sach's speaking schedule?
You are not keeping up, as president you don't speak at Goldman Sach's, you just hire all of them to run the government and fill their pockets.

 
I think all elected officials should have a mandatory retirement age of 65 or 70 at the latest. We had Trump and Clinton at 70 ,Sanders pushing 75 running for President.  We have a senile Nancy Pelosi who is 77 and thinks Bush is still president, a senile McConnell who is in his 70s and who knows what he thinks, Maxine Waters is pushing 80 and  thinks Putin is invading Korea, a raging Warren who is pushing 70, Jeff Sessions as SOD who is 70.  John Conyers will be 88 soon, John McCain 80. People serving on the supreme court sickly in their 80s.

What is with these people..do your time and move on and get some fresh ideas.

 
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The left might not have liked Cruz, Rubio or Bush (to name a few), but for some to imply or state that the left is freaking out just because a Republican won is just silly. They're freaking out because it was Trump. Someone impulsive, arguably bigoted and sexist, and zero experience in public office. Now that said, he's been a hard right conservative so far in office. Even his cabinet nominees are not that whacky from a conservative perspective (i.e. Cruz/Rubio/Bush might have picked similar types. It's the way Trump has gone about every single thing that has caused such uproar. He needs to stop being so defensive and stop lashing out at anyone (and I mean anyone) that dares not agree with him. It's really almost sad, if he weren't the POTUS at least.

I grew up conservative until my 30's and have liberal minded since.

I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty (at least when implemented efficiently). I think government's main roles include protecting its people (police, military, etc.) including against getting taken advantage of by big business and the wealthy. I'm a stalwart for capitalism but think solid regulation must be in place. I'm for a combination of local, state and federal governments. Certain things should have federal guidelines only.

I hate partisan politics and think the people's voting has proven I'm not alone. I think the people should vote out anyone that has strictly maintained party lines in their voting. If they won't compromise, they shouldn't be in office.

 
As a lifelong Democrat, I am mostly disappointed in this:

- Post analysis of Bernie-gate (for lack of a better word).  What is the DNC going to do going forward to give the power back to the people?  Under Kaine's DNC leadership, there were lots of debates allowing Obama a fighting chance to be the nominee.  This past election I think there were three square-offs between Bernie and Hillary.  Additionally, I think most Democrats hate the role of the Super delegates.  If you keep them in some capacity, can't you make them remain silent until their vote AFTER the primaries?  Announcing they all were for Hillary before the start of the campaign and reaffirming it before the California primary was awful.  Will this be corrected going forward or is the goal to continue to suppress the vote of the people?  Many Bernie supporters I know abandoned the party (for now).  These voters may come back if Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but what is the Democratic Party doing to bring them back in the fold?
is this post approved by the guys at Zerohedge?

 
I think all elected officials should have a mandatory retirement age of 65. We had Trump and Clinton at 70 ,Sanders pushing 75 running for President.  We have a senile Pelosi who is 77 and thinks Bush in still president, a senile McConnell who is in his 70s, Waters in her 70s who thinks Putin is invading Korea, a raging Warren who is pushing 70, Jeff Sessions as SOD who is 70. People serving on the supreme court sickly in their 80s.

What is with these people..do your time and move on and get some fresh ideas.
I don't know about 65.  Hard to make that argument when you can't even get Social Security yet.  But a lot of states make judges retire at 70.  I'd be on board with that.

 
Not a Trump voter myself, but haven't been that impacted about most of what he is trying to do.  Here are the exceptions:

1.  The Betsy Devos pick was historically bad.  Even if your goal is to abolish the Dept, it was a bad pick. 

2. The idiotic tweets about Nordstrom, ratings on the Apprentice, etc.  I like that the President has a direct channel to the people.  Both Obama and now Trump have 15M+ followers.  But cut out the stupid tweeting.

and something being suggested today about a psychiatrist for the Whitehouse.  I would take it further.  I think there needs to be a doctor assigned to all Presidents checking mental capacity that is truly neutral.  Reagan developed Alzheimer's, HRC had something going on making it tough to walk, and Trump could very well have something wrong.  This kind of detail should not be held in confidence.  It transcends party lines.  
I think mental health is even more important than physical health regarding our President.  We absolutely should have someone in charge of this.  Great idea!

Your #2.  I agree with that too.  In fact, if Michael Savage wants Trump to stop the foolish tweets, then his supporters should take notice.  Savage is a massive fan of Trump from very early on.

 
Absolutely great with that. Meaning a President would take office some time between age 35 and 62.  A perfectly reasonable way to go in my opinion.
Baby Boomers would have a meltdown if they get excluded from something.  For this idea to bear fruit it will have to be after the boomers are all too old to run.

 
I think all elected officials should have a mandatory retirement age of 65 or 70 at the latest. We had Trump and Clinton at 70 ,Sanders pushing 75 running for President.  We have a senile Nancy Pelosi who is 77 and thinks Bush is still president, a senile McConnell who is in his 70s and who knows what he thinks, Maxine Waters is pushing 80 and  thinks Putin is invading Korea, a raging Warren who is pushing 70, Jeff Sessions as SOD who is 70.  John Conyers will be 88 soon, John McCain 80. People serving on the supreme court sickly in their 80s.

What is with these people..do your time and move on and get some fresh ideas.
Don't worry about Conyers.  He'll pass away soon, and Monica will take over.  She's young enough to carry on his work for another 30 years.

 
I firmly believe in my Jerry McGuire/Democratic Party analogy from another thread. 

The Democratic Party needs its primary focus to be that of helping the financial have-nots get a chance to have their spot in the sun....

 
And there it went.  Good thread, everyone.  
8 posts, I'm slightly surprised it took that long.

I'm a moderate on social issues, fiscal conservative. I just wish people (not here necessarily, but offline/real world) actually debated policy points. I think they'd find a lot out about themselves. I just see people online, Facebook a primary example (which i deactivated last July because my entire feed was right/left politics non-stop), that just post things not having read the body of the articles and have foam coming out their mouths unsure of the point they're even trying to make in the endless replies section and it drives me nuts. I'm very far from an expert on anything, but I wish I could generally speaking just have a non-adversarial back and forth with people I don't necessarily agree with that is an actual sharing of facts and thoughts on (insert political topic). I feel like we used to do that and are way past those days being long gone, and it makes me sad. I think finding a middle ground is actually being educated on issues you're taking a stance on, and actually listening without attacking to the other side of the argument.

 
As a lifelong Democrat, I am mostly disappointed in this:

- Post analysis of Bernie-gate (for lack of a better word).  What is the DNC going to do going forward to give the power back to the people?  Under Kaine's DNC leadership, there were lots of debates allowing Obama a fighting chance to be the nominee.  This past election I think there were three square-offs between Bernie and Hillary.  Additionally, I think most Democrats hate the role of the Super delegates.  If you keep them in some capacity, can't you make them remain silent until their vote AFTER the primaries?  Announcing they all were for Hillary before the start of the campaign and reaffirming it before the California primary was awful.  Will this be corrected going forward or is the goal to continue to suppress the vote of the people?  Many Bernie supporters I know abandoned the party (for now).  These voters may come back if Trump is an unmitigated disaster, but what is the Democratic Party doing to bring them back in the fold?
I'm one who thinks the DNC should take another look at their primary schedule.  Why is their news narrative in regards to the early primary driven by a higher percentage of states in which they are a minority(high in some cases) voter and aren't going to win.  If they mixed a few of reliable "Big Blues" in there early.....Bernie might have been able to control the news narrative. 

 
Big proponent of stricter gun laws and think marijuana should be legal everywhere. 

 
I can't follow the trail of the severe leftists in the forties to the Obama years and what the new awful hybrid is.
Obama isn't the issue - he was primarily focused on the really progressive parts of the progressive bit when he was using it.  In the 40s, a large number of people in the group trying to reboot the party were actual communists - it pushed the "progressive" part into a communist bent.  A lot of people on the left now calling themselves "progressives" are really just socialists who don't want to be called socialists.  And while the progressive agenda includes a rejection of social darwinism, it isn't really a far-left socialist movement any more than paying for shared police and fire departments is a far-left socialist movement.

 
Obama isn't the issue - he was primarily focused on the really progressive parts of the progressive bit when he was using it.  In the 40s, a large number of people in the group trying to reboot the party were actual communists - it pushed the "progressive" part into a communist bent.  A lot of people on the left now calling themselves "progressives" are really just socialists who don't want to be called socialists.  And while the progressive agenda includes a rejection of social darwinism, it isn't really a far-left socialist movement any more than paying for shared police and fire departments is a far-left socialist movement.
I think all but a few whackos have rejected the major tenets of communism/socialism, i.e., the people's (government's) ownership of the means of production. I guess I really don't know what constitutes the difference between far-left socialist and progressive these days. Are you concerned that we may have two groups of people on the left side of the spectrum working against one another (whether deliberately or not)?

 
I think all but a few whackos have rejected the major tenets of communism/socialism, i.e., the people's (government's) ownership of the means of production. I guess I really don't know what constitutes the difference between far-left socialist and progressive these days. Are you concerned that we may have two groups of people on the left side of the spectrum working against one another (whether deliberately or not)?
I'm concerned that a "progress of the human race" movement based in increasing competition and placing more power in the hands of the many has become a "social program and government spending" movement.  I support lots of social programs, too, but that's not what progressivism is about, really.  It's support for science and social progress as is necessary to restrain corporate control over government, not "what can we give the government control of."

 
I'm concerned that a "progress of the human race" movement based in increasing competition and placing more power in the hands of the many has become a "social program and government spending" movement.  I support lots of social programs, too, but that's not what progressivism is about, really.  It's support for science and social progress as is necessary to restrain corporate control over government, not "what can we give the government control of."
That just seems like such a fine line to me, maybe because some social progress requires new social programs and government spending. Like some kind of universal health care system which I think will help the country move forward more rapidly from an economic standpoint as much as from a health/social standpoint.

 
That just seems like such a fine line to me, maybe because some social progress requires new social programs and government spending. Like some kind of universal health care system which I think will help the country move forward more rapidly from an economic standpoint as much as from a health/social standpoint.
It is a fine line but an important one 

 
This... this is a joke, right?  Just thickly layered sarcasm that's zooming over my head, right?
She gave a speech yesterday saying "There is nothing I can work with President Bush on"  slip of the tongue but she is an elderly lady who makes these mistakes all the time. In the same forum 78 year old Maxine Waters said "Putin is invading Korea"  Not because they are dems because I hate McConnell and his crew as well.

Just saying these people are pushing 80 and their ideas are so ingrained in them they can`t change.  Need some new fresh ideas on both sides.

 
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Absolutely great with that. Meaning a President would take office some time between age 35 and 62.  A perfectly reasonable way to go in my opinion.
What about a maximum voting age?  Seems like people shouldn't be able to destroy the country from their death beds.
I always felt voting should break down like this:

Age 18-29, your vote counts 2/3. You simply haven't had enough life experience yet.

Age 30-64, your vote counts as normal

Age 65+, back to 2/3's. You have more years behind you than ahead of you. Let others have more of a say in their future.

 
I am pretty diverse in my political leanings with a slight edge, maybe around 60-ish% leaning towards conservative.

-Pro Universal healthcare

-Pro 2nd amendment

-Pro choice/gay rights

-Pro big military spending (but let's gtfo the middle east)

That's me, just to name a few.  :bye:

 
I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. 

Both choices were horrible but Trump was a lot more horrible. 

I went with who I thought was the best choice (Clinton) and it's looking I was right.

That being said, it's not about what is right or wrong from each side or us against them. That is what's wrong about politics. So much of it is petty bull#### just so you stay in sync with your team. 

 
Rubio said last night..if half of this country hates each other we are going to have problems.

 
I abhor our involvement in the Middle East, whether the initial shock & awe or the ensuing nation building.    let them do what THEY do, which is kill each other over some tribal ritual or imaginary border from 2000 #######g years ago.    Stay out & it will work itself out?    it will never work itself out so why bother.  Our men & women in uniform deserve better.  Israel is different-but would take too long.  Middle East & Sharia law is messed up big time.

 
As long as I can do this I am cool:

B double-E double R U N

Beer Run!

B double-E double R U N

Beeeerrrrrr Ruuuun!

All I need is a ten and fiver

keys and a car and a sober driver

B double-E double R U N

Beer Run!

 
I am for beer, football & the tasteful admiration of attractive women/men (depending on your preference). 

Banning words that communicate hatred is a waste of time, as alternate words are quickly adopted. We need to address the root cause of the hatred, which I believe in most cases is something as simple as ignorance and/or fear.

 
We get it.  The left hates everything about Trump.  And the right hates everything about the left.  And the FFA loves to be snarky with gotcha moments, etc.  You know side you usually sit with on most issues.  I am opening up this thread in hopes we can try and find middling ground by people posting something from their side of politics that they disagree with.




 
I wish you would create a political forum to get all of this political "stuff" out of the FFA.

My guess is that a clear majority of people that regularly post and read here would favor that.

 
I'm an atheist, but agree with most of the tenants of several religions.  I mean some stuff is just common sense...

Don't commit murder.   I can be down with that.

Don't steal other people's stuff.   Makes sense.

Don't cheat on your wife.  Fair enough, but if the Asian masseuse brushes up against my junk, I'm calling for a recount.

 
I am for beer, football & the tasteful admiration of attractive women/men (depending on your preference). 

Banning words that communicate hatred is a waste of time, as alternate words are quickly adopted. We need to address the root cause of the hatred, which I believe in most cases is something as simple as ignorance and/or fear.
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We are never all going to be the same; we need to replace that ignorance and fear with a very healthy dose of empathy and compassion.

 
I firmly believe in my Jerry McGuire/Democratic Party analogy from another thread. 

The Democratic Party needs its primary focus to be that of helping the financial have-nots get a chance to have their spot in the sun....
And it shouldn't be in the form of an entitlement  (when did it start being called that? ), it should be a helping hand. 

 
Yes, absolutely.  And especially when we're talking about potential new energy jobs - get those people retrained to do the new energy jobs!  I mean, my God, coal miners can literally dig combustible rocks out of the Earth.  Is there some reason we think that area can't become a tremendous place for manufacturing jobs? Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, wave energy collectors, something?
They could probably get jobs on frac crews. Though perhaps working outside and above ground in the fresh air wouldn't agree with them.

 
I think all but a few whackos have rejected the major tenets of communism/socialism, i.e., the people's (government's) ownership of the means of production. I guess I really don't know what constitutes the difference between far-left socialist and progressive these days. Are you concerned that we may have two groups of people on the left side of the spectrum working against one another (whether deliberately or not)?
I agree that Bernie Sands is a real wacko.

Finding common ground indeed!

 

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