**Finless Memorial Gobbler - rodg12 Wins - Kyle Kendrick MVP (1 Viewer)

[Northern Voice]

I will be following with interest, but I'm the reason the WIS draft is pushed to the 10th, and don't need to screw up timing of two drafts.

 

[Eephus]

I'm in as long as we stick with no inseason transactions

How about if we do one add/drop cycle at the All-Star break? I don't want to see teams hopelessly decimated by injuries and demotions.

Works for me.

Are others OK with this?

 

[Eephus]

IN

the moops

JZilla

Wrigley

TRE

Kraft

Spartans Rule

Chemical X

RnR

eephus

Frostillicus

cheese

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jon_mx

IN THEN OUT

Good Posting Judge

OUT OF TOWN

Northern Voice

 

[the moops]

how many folks we want in this thing anyway?

 

[Wrigley]

I'm in as long as we stick with no inseason

transactions

How about if we do one add/drop cycle at the All-Star break? I don't want to see teams hopelessly decimated by injuries and demotions.

Works for me.

Are others OK with this?

Absolutely.

 

[the moops]

I feel like we need to handicap TRE and Bogart somehow in this thing. We all saw how ####ty their teams were in BTTF, right? And they were trying to pick good players. Seems they have a knack for finding the worst in players.

 

[Bogart]

I feel like we need to handicap TRE and Bogart somehow in this thing. We all saw how ####ty their teams were in BTTF, right? And they were trying to pick good players. Seems they have a knack for finding the worst in players.

Excellent ####### posting here.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I feel like we need to handicap TRE and Bogart somehow in this thing. We all saw how ####ty their teams were in BTTF, right? And they were trying to pick good players. Seems they have a knack for finding the worst in players.

Excellent ####### posting here.

I disagree.

 

[Eephus]

Still taking input on scoring and transactions.

Next topic is roster size. The OP proposed small rosters (C, CI, MI, 2 x OF, UT, 6 x P) but this is open to discussion. I wouldn't want to go smaller but larger rosters would give people more of a cushion if players get hurt or demoted.

Assuming 10-12 teams, I don't think scarcity will be an issue. There are more bad players than good ones.

 

[Annyong]

Extra points for crooked hats?

 

[Eephus]

Extra points for crooked hats?

Are you in?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Vote: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P with biggish (25 man?) roster

 

[RnR]

I think what Tre proposed is reasonable with only one FCFS period at ASB. That way guys that want to tinker a little have the ability to do so.

 

[Annyong]

Extra points for crooked hats?

Are you in?

I'm gonna help Wrigley here, even though he's really good at being not good at fantasy baseball. .

 

[Eephus]

Vote: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P with biggish (25 man?) roster

I think what Tre proposed is reasonable with only one FCFS period at ASB. That way guys that want to tinker a little have the ability to do so.

so you guys want small lineups with long benches and daily/weekly lineups?

I'll go with the majority but I envisioned this as more a set and forget lineup kind of league.

 

[RnR]

Vote: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P with biggish (25 man?) roster

I think what Tre proposed is reasonable with only one FCFS period at ASB. That way guys that want to tinker a little have the ability to do so.

so you guys want small lineups with long benches and daily/weekly lineups?

I'll go with the majority but I envisioned this as more a set and forget lineup kind of league.

I prefer set it and forget it, but I do think we will run into a situation where guys are demoted in late April. As long as we draft knowing that, I suppose that's part of the player valuation process.

 

[Annyong]

Vote: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P with biggish (25 man?) roster

I think what Tre proposed is reasonable with only one FCFS period at ASB. That way guys that want to tinker a little have the ability to do so.

so you guys want small lineups with long benches and daily/weekly lineups?

I'll go with the majority but I envisioned this as more a set and forget lineup kind of league.

the player valuation process.

sounds tedious.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Vote: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P with biggish (25 man?) roster

I think what Tre proposed is reasonable with only one FCFS period at ASB. That way guys that want to tinker a little have the ability to do so.

so you guys want small lineups with long benches and daily/weekly lineups?

I'll go with the majority but I envisioned this as more a set and forget lineup kind of league.

I was thinking weekly h2h points with no transactions. I dunno...I'm dumb.

 

[Eephus]

Vote: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P with biggish (25 man?) roster

I think what Tre proposed is reasonable with only one FCFS period at ASB. That way guys that want to tinker a little have the ability to do so.

so you guys want small lineups with long benches and daily/weekly lineups?

I'll go with the majority but I envisioned this as more a set and forget lineup kind of league.

I was thinking weekly h2h points with no transactions. I dunno...I'm dumb.

I never really thought about this as a H2H league but that might work in this format.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I was definitely thinking more "set and forget" myself. I don't want to be making daily or weekly lineup decisions by analyzing matchups for bad players.

Can we put a limit on transactions maybe? Something like 10 lineup changes and 2 waiver pickups for the year, which should keep it focused on replacing the injured/demoted.

 

[Frostillicus]

I could do weekly or set and forget. I do like the idea of minimal actual work beyond the draft.

 

[the moops]

I prefer to do no work for the draft but would like unlimited daily transactions. Can we make that work?

 

[Eephus]

Normally, my biggest issue with weekly H2H is the inherent imbalance in two start pitchers, but awarding negative points for positive outcomes will make the second start more of a risky proposition.

I may have to tweak the scoring a bit to move the average pitcher score closer to zero. If we do the scoring right, even having players out with injury might not as much of a disadvantage which would reduce the need for roster changes.

 

[Wrigley]

Extra points for crooked hats?

Are you in?

I'm gonna help Wrigley here, even though he's really good at being not good at fantasy baseball. .

<_<

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I think if it's a total points deal we'll have like three guys paying attention by 2H, but that may happen no matter what.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Do you get bonus points for rooting for the crappiest team IRL

I'm asking for Frosty and TRE

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Well it certainly helps our knowledge of the player pool.

 

[cheese]

I think if it's a total points deal we'll have like three guys paying attention by 2H, but that may happen no matter what.

Advantage of set it and forget it is 3 ppl paying attention has 0 impact on standings.

 

[Eephus]

I'm going to play around with scoring again to try to bring Par for hitters and pitchers closer to zero. I don't think a team will be able to win a week by fielding a blank lineup but an injury or a two start week won't mean an automatic result.

Other than that, I'm leaning toward:

Weekly H2H

Starters per TRE's note above

Set lineups, no DL or bench slots

Very limited transactions

 

[Frostillicus]

Do you get bonus points for rooting for the crappiest team IRL

I'm asking for Frosty and TRE

I'm a Cubs fan.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Do you get bonus points for rooting for the crappiest team IRL

I'm asking for Frosty and TRE

I'm a Cubs fan.

Now that you mention it, I did forget to add Wrigley and Annoying

 

[Limp Ditka]

Do you get bonus points for rooting for the crappiest team IRL

I'm asking for Frosty and TRE

I'm a Cubs fan.

Now that you mention it, I did forget to add Wrigley and Annoying

Do you get bonus points for rooting for the crappiest team IRL

I'm asking for Frosty and TRE

I'm a Cubs fan.

Now that you mention it, I did forget to add Wrigley and Annoying

It was auto correct! I swear!

 

[Annyong]

It was auto correct! I swear!

:sad: I get that a lot.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

How about 1 transaction a week? Too much? Would be fun to spot start guys hoping they get shelled.

 

[Eephus]

New and hopefully final scoring tweak posted to new Google Sheet. The change shifts Par down by a fair amount; there are more players who score in negative numbers. Teams with a two start pitcher or a empty slot due to injury should still be competitive under the new scoring. I did a couple of quick tests for gaming the system with bench players and relievers and I don't think that's possible. If somebody figures out a unique strategy, more power to 'em.

AB 0.5R -1.25HR -1.5TB -1RBI -1.25SB -1CS 3BB -1SO 1.75GIDP 4PICKED OFF* 3 IP -0.75H 1ER 2HR 1.5BB 1SO -1WP 5BK 5W -7L 10Hitter and pitcher scoring is as balanced as I could make it. Their respective means and medians are very close (w/ sample of 200 AB and 100 IP minimums) although the standard deviation of the pitchers is almost double that of the hitters.I think Wins and Losses will be huge for pitchers. A fluke decision could just about cancel out the rest of the pitching line. I think this kind of randomness is good for a league like this.

Hitter scoring should be more predictable. Low OPS guys seem to score well. Strikeouts and caught stealing are pretty important.

I'm hoping scoring will be balanced enough to keep weekly wins/losses in doubt up to the last day.

 

[Chemical X]

How about 1 transaction a week? Too much? Would be fun to spot start guys hoping they get shelled.

pelfrey!

 

[Eephus]

Other straw man rules for final discussion:

Weekly H2H
14 man lineups (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P). No DL or bench slots.
12 add/drops per season. That's about one every two weeks. I think it should be pretty low maintenance but will still give owners flexibility to turn their team over.

If Fantrax allows trades and add/drops to be counted separately, there won't be any restrictions on trades (although the fixed lineups will make 1 for 1 trades difficult).

 

[Eephus]

Other straw man rules for final discussion:

Weekly H2H

14 man lineups (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P). No DL or bench slots.

12 add/drops per season. That's about one every two weeks. I think it should be pretty low maintenance but will still give owners flexibility to turn their team over.

If Fantrax allows trades and add/drops to be counted separately, there won't be any restrictions on trades (although the fixed lineups will make 1 for 1 trades difficult).

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Other straw man rules for final discussion:

Weekly H2H

14 man lineups (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P). No DL or bench slots.

12 add/drops per season. That's about one every two weeks. I think it should be pretty low maintenance but will still give owners flexibility to turn their team over.

If Fantrax allows trades and add/drops to be counted separately, there won't be any restrictions on trades (although the fixed lineups will make 1 for 1 trades difficult).

Worth a shot.

 

[JZilla]

+1

 

[Annyong]

 

[Eephus]

IN (11)

the moops

JZilla

Wrigley

TRE

Kraft

Spartans Rule

Chemical X

RnR

eephus

Frostillicus

cheese

POSTED IN THREAD

jon_mx

Annyong

Limp Ditka

IN THEN OUT

Good Posting Judge

OUT OF TOWN

Northern Voice

 

[Annyong]

IN (11)

the moops

JZilla

Wrigley

TRE

Kraft

Spartans Rule

Chemical X

RnR

eephus

Frostillicus

cheese

POSTED IN THREAD

jon_mx

Annyong

Limp Ditka

IN THEN OUT

Good Posting Judge

OUT OF TOWN

Northern Voice

I'm paring up with Wrigley, please put my name in front of his.

 

[the moops]

Too many Cub and Twin fans in here for this sort of league.

 

[Eephus]

Dontrelle Willis

Jason Marquis

 

[Eephus]

If this is going to happen, it should probably start next week.

We're still at 11 teams. I don't think an owner with two teams is an impossibility in this format.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If this is going to happen, it should probably start next week.

We're still at 11 teams. I don't think an owner with two teams is an impossibility in this format.

Is it poor form to ask for participants from the Finless RIP thread?

 

[Chemical X]

help celebrate his passing by playing fake sports!

 

[Eephus]

help celebrate his passing by playing fake sports!

Schtick it up while you're living

 

[Eephus]

This board needs a draft right now. The Finless Memorial Greater Gobbler Open is a lowball league to reward the worst lineup of MLB regulars. It'll be an early draft starting sometime this month and finishing before the WIS draft.

Weekly H2H, no playoffs

Total points scoring with positive points for negative outcomes (e.g. outs, caught stealing, strikeouts for batters; losses, walks, home runs allowed for pitchers) with points penalties for positive outcomes.

AB 0.5R -1.25HR -1.5TB -1RBI -1.25SB -1CS 3BB -1SO 1.75GIDP 4PICKED OFF* 3 IP -0.75H 1ER 2HR 1.5BB 1SO -1WP 5BK 5W -7L 1014 man lineups (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OFx3, 6 P). No DL or bench slots.12 add/drops per season. That's about one every two weeks. I think it should be pretty low maintenance but will still give owners flexibility to turn their team over. If Fantrax allows trades and add/drops to be counted separately, there won't be any restrictions on trades (although the fixed lineups will make 1 for 1 trades difficult).

It should be a fun, minimal level of effort league. Prize will be winner take all with a proposed in cost of $12.95. The winner will also receive a piece of Jimmy Gobble memorabilia that doesn't cost too much to ship.

OP updated with final rules