FINLEY! FINLEY! FINLEY! (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

no one was saying records aren't hard to break thats common knowledge to the most ordinary man. All we are saying is that Finley is blessed and at 6-5 250 with the speed and athleticism he has and being a huge red zone target I remember them having Rodgers talking about how Finley is his fav target in the redzone and bragging how he was unstoppable or uncoverable which seems sorta like a braggert but he is not he is actually stating a fact........ He isn't to puffed up when the statement is actually true..... How do you cover a monster like that ???????? still have 13 games left he could easily have 10 in the last 13

I don't know if he could *EASILY* have 10 TDs in the last 13 games. Scoring 10 TDs is never an easy feat. Tony Gonzalez has only done it three times. Chad Ochocinco, a 6-time Pro Bowler and 2 time First Team AP All Pro, has only done it once. Scoring 10 TDs is tough enough in 16 games. It's even tougher in 13 games.Now, Finley could POSSIBLY score 10 TDs in the last 13 games, sure. Of course, 10 TDs in the next 13 games would still leave him 4 TDs shy of breaking the TE scoring record. Which again gets back to the point- breaking records is tough. Anyone who is projecting that a player is going to break records is overprojecting that player. Period.

I'm not a Finley hater. I'm a Finley owner. I think he's fantastic. I'm not going to say that I was the first person on his bandwagon (that would be the inimitable Couch Potato, who was the first to mention Finley in a positive manner in the Dynasty Superthread), but I was definitely on Finley's bandwagon way before it was the cool place to be (note: at the time of that post, Finley was TE23, nursing an injury, and still two weeks away from his 6-week scorched earth run to end the season). So let's make it clear that I'm not a "hater" or a "doubter" or any such thing. I'm a big, big fan of Jermichael Finley's. I just think that, right now, he's pretty much the poster child for unrealistic expectations. People are acting like he's the mutant offspring of Mike Ditka and Kellen Winslow Sr., genetically spliced with Tony Gonzalez's DNA and raised from infancy by Shannon Sharpe. They are acting like the record book is going to have to be divided into "Before Finley" and "After Finley" sections. They act like he's the Jerry Rice of Tight Ends. I like to think that believing Jermichael Finley is awesome does not obligate me to think that Jermichael Finley is far and away the greatest Tight End to ever grace the football field with his presence.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am a big fan of Finley's, too, but I don't bow down to him. Even still, a case could easily be made that he is now a top 3 NFL TE (sorry, but he is still below Gates and Clark), and he should only get better.

 

[SSOG]

I am a big fan of Finley's, too, but I don't bow down to him. Even still, a case could easily be made that he is now a top 3 NFL TE (sorry, but he is still below Gates and Clark), and he should only get better.

Sure, I think you could easily call him a top-3 or even top-2 NFL receiving TE (not a top-3 overall TE, because he falls behind Vernon Davis and Jason Witten if you count blocking prowess, too). I've got him 2nd in my dynasty rankings currently, and I'm actually going to move him up to 1st later this week after I downgrade Gates a little due to the looming threat of a lockout. Again, I'm a huge, huge, huge Jermichael Finley fan. I just think he's the Greek God of Unrealistic Expectations at this point.

 

[Hjelle9]

no one was saying records aren't hard to break thats common knowledge to the most ordinary man. All we are saying is that Finley is blessed and at 6-5 250 with the speed and athleticism he has and being a huge red zone target I remember them having Rodgers talking about how Finley is his fav target in the redzone and bragging how he was unstoppable or uncoverable which seems sorta like a braggert but he is not he is actually stating a fact........ He isn't to puffed up when the statement is actually true..... How do you cover a monster like that ???????? still have 13 games left he could easily have 10 in the last 13

I don't know if he could *EASILY* have 10 TDs in the last 13 games. Scoring 10 TDs is never an easy feat. Tony Gonzalez has only done it three times. Chad Ochocinco, a 6-time Pro Bowler and 2 time First Team AP All Pro, has only done it once. Scoring 10 TDs is tough enough in 16 games. It's even tougher in 13 games.Now, Finley could POSSIBLY score 10 TDs in the last 13 games, sure. Of course, 10 TDs in the next 13 games would still leave him 4 TDs shy of breaking the TE scoring record. Which again gets back to the point- breaking records is tough. Anyone who is projecting that a player is going to break records is overprojecting that player. Period.

I'm not a Finley hater. I'm a Finley owner. I think he's fantastic. I'm not going to say that I was the first person on his bandwagon (that would be the inimitable Couch Potato, who was the first to mention Finley in a positive manner in the Dynasty Superthread), but I was definitely on Finley's bandwagon way before it was the cool place to be (note: at the time of that post, Finley was TE23, nursing an injury, and still two weeks away from his 6-week scorched earth run to end the season). So let's make it clear that I'm not a "hater" or a "doubter" or any such thing. I'm a big, big fan of Jermichael Finley's. I just think that, right now, he's pretty much the poster child for unrealistic expectations. People are acting like he's the mutant offspring of Mike Ditka and Kellen Winslow Sr., genetically spliced with Tony Gonzalez's DNA and raised from infancy by Shannon Sharpe. They are acting like the record book is going to have to be divided into "Before Finley" and "After Finley" sections. They act like he's the Jerry Rice of Tight Ends. I like to think that believing Jermichael Finley is awesome does not obligate me to think that Jermichael Finley is far and away the greatest Tight End to ever grace the football field with his presence.

He's the randy moss of tight ends

 

[bulger2holt]

I heard Finely drowned in Lake Michigan after the game. Any word?

No, he swam across Lake Michigan after the game. That's usually his post game cool down he does.

 

[Sputnikv8]

I heard Finely drowned in Lake Michigan after the game. Any word?

No, he swam across Lake Michigan after the game. That's usually his post game cool down he does.

Actually, he walked across the lake.

 

[T with T]

no one was saying records aren't hard to break thats common knowledge to the most ordinary man. All we are saying is that Finley is blessed and at 6-5 250 with the speed and athleticism he has and being a huge red zone target I remember them having Rodgers talking about how Finley is his fav target in the redzone and bragging how he was unstoppable or uncoverable which seems sorta like a braggert but he is not he is actually stating a fact........ He isn't to puffed up when the statement is actually true..... How do you cover a monster like that ???????? still have 13 games left he could easily have 10 in the last 13

I don't know if he could *EASILY* have 10 TDs in the last 13 games. Scoring 10 TDs is never an easy feat. Tony Gonzalez has only done it three times. Chad Ochocinco, a 6-time Pro Bowler and 2 time First Team AP All Pro, has only done it once. Scoring 10 TDs is tough enough in 16 games. It's even tougher in 13 games.Now, Finley could POSSIBLY score 10 TDs in the last 13 games, sure. Of course, 10 TDs in the next 13 games would still leave him 4 TDs shy of breaking the TE scoring record. Which again gets back to the point- breaking records is tough. Anyone who is projecting that a player is going to break records is overprojecting that player. Period.

I'm not a Finley hater. I'm a Finley owner. I think he's fantastic. I'm not going to say that I was the first person on his bandwagon (that would be the inimitable Couch Potato, who was the first to mention Finley in a positive manner in the Dynasty Superthread), but I was definitely on Finley's bandwagon way before it was the cool place to be (note: at the time of that post, Finley was TE23, nursing an injury, and still two weeks away from his 6-week scorched earth run to end the season). So let's make it clear that I'm not a "hater" or a "doubter" or any such thing. I'm a big, big fan of Jermichael Finley's. I just think that, right now, he's pretty much the poster child for unrealistic expectations. People are acting like he's the mutant offspring of Mike Ditka and Kellen Winslow Sr., genetically spliced with Tony Gonzalez's DNA and raised from infancy by Shannon Sharpe. They are acting like the record book is going to have to be divided into "Before Finley" and "After Finley" sections. They act like he's the Jerry Rice of Tight Ends. I like to think that believing Jermichael Finley is awesome does not obligate me to think that Jermichael Finley is far and away the greatest Tight End to ever grace the football field with his presence.

you can quote me and ask sharks in my leauge I picked up finley before last season in 09 in the preseason.... I love the guy he is fantastic... just traded Nicks/clayton away for Finley/garcon in a leauge that I had lots of wr depth and zach miller was my te... now I got FINLEY. love it ppr league

 

[fruity pebbles]

I am a big fan of Finley's, too, but I don't bow down to him. Even still, a case could easily be made that he is now a top 3 NFL TE (sorry, but he is still below Gates and Clark), and he should only get better.

Sure, I think you could easily call him a top-3 or even top-2 NFL receiving TE (not a top-3 overall TE, because he falls behind Vernon Davis and Jason Witten if you count blocking prowess, too). I've got him 2nd in my dynasty rankings currently, and I'm actually going to move him up to 1st later this week after I downgrade Gates a little due to the looming threat of a lockout. Again, I'm a huge, huge, huge Jermichael Finley fan. I just think he's the Greek God of Unrealistic Expectations at this point.

Imo, he's unquestionably the #1 dynasty TE right now.

 

[joffer]

This is the 1st time I've stepped into this thread. Largely because the Finley talk is enough to make me sick. Seriously though, people were projecting 15 TDs? Fifteen? Has to be schtick.

105/1375/15The JermichaelFinley/ChuckNorris schtick is obviously way over the top, but the whole reason it got started in the first place is because some people were going BERSERK with the predictions. The one I linked to was the most infamous, as he was literally projecting that Jermichael Finley would break the single-season record for receptions, yards, *AND* TDs.

Is 8-10 TDs too much to ask as this point?

8-10 TDs is still totally achievable, but you have to remember that even "just" 8-10 TDs represents an incredibly strong total for a TE. Antonio Gates is the biggest TD threat at TE in NFL history in large part because he manages to score "just" 8-10 TDs a year every year. Tony Gonzalez, the greatest TE in NFL history, has only managed to top 8 TDs 4 times in his 13 year career. Shannon Sharpe only managed it 4 times in his 14 year career. 8 TDs is still very much within Finley's grasp, but if he reaches it, it shouldn't be viewed as a disappointment. 8 TDs is phenomenal production from a TE.

if finely wouldnt have cramped up and one of the ridiculous, RIDICULOUS, ah hem, excuse me, fkn REEEEEEDDDDDDDIIICCCCCCCCCULOUSSSSSS 97 penalties don't get called he goes 10target/10recpt for 135 1 td AT LEAST....he stays on the field in that competitive of a game he gets 3-6 more targets undoubtedly.......the more competitive the game(esp if they ever get behind by more than one td) the better his stats will be as rodgers will have to make quicker decisions, and ultimately more important decisions later in the season, and when the decisions are increasingly more important, dating back to last year, we are seeing a very clear pattern of using finley as he will always create the most useful mismatch, this is accentuated by the packers 2 minute offense or no huddle when trailing, it's next-to unstoppable, often seeing finley pick up effortless chunks of 30. also, mccarthy has barely shown an ounce of versatility in his usage of finley. call me crazy but i think he would rather save him for the jets and dolphins and viking and patriots and cowboys and such, not try to kill him on 15 targets vs a team as bad as the bears bills or eagles(pre mike vick). after he was cheap shotted last year by louis delmas in a meaningless detriot game and injured in another obvious eventual stinker against cleveland that cost him 3 games, we arent going to really unleash until things get serious. this is massive underperformance right now for finley but it has to be understood it's on purpose(or at least they aren't going to fret and force balls to him against weak teams) for future facialization on the eastern divisions. Finley is still a lock to go over 10 tds(15 would just be amazing from this point) still and the yardage isn't going anywhere but up. the banged up running game is only funneling more yards to finley than even i could have predicted. if he doesnt miss a game he's going over 1375 without shortness of breath. last year at this time finley had 5 catches for 61 yards and 0 tds. after 6 games(my initial point in the season i told SSOG we should revisit, rather than taking the pop shots at our projections in week 3 after 3 weak teams we could attack with any gameplan, but whatever, we understand the type you are) 16/261/1td....through 9 games 17 catches 276 yards/1td.....through 9 games he had 1 td and finished with 5....anyone think he'll be at 1td at week 9 again?...the packers offense it taking time to explode just as it did last year, just as most offenses do....all we are seeing is that the end of last year was no fluke and that's how this year will end as well....he has 17recpts on 21 targets(how about that catch rate not staying at 80% SS?) 256 yards after 3 weeks this year and IM TELLING YOU they aren't even doing 10% of what they have in the book for finley and it's just asinine to pop off about the TD production 3 games in when you saw him catch a beast of a TD negated by the most delicate inconsequential holding call peppers has ever been granted, and you know that quarless drop was likely a finley pluck. So reaaaally, you're gonna come in here and pop off about how RIGHT you are calling my projections silly after 3 weeks when he's on pace to do the damn thing on the one record(the more venerable and less random one and ultimately proves my extensive documentation on the packers offense and JF88's talents to be correct if he does cruise by 1375 regardless the tds) and the td record can still be accomplished with very little luck as one of his biggest strengths is redzone performance. and dont we all mostly agree the TDs are at least somewhat random in prediction, the CORE of the claim was that finley would be targeted the most on the team, perhaps 125+ times this year and he's gonna catch 80% of those mahfckas which looks pretty damn legit(he's goin over 100 catches and 1375, if he only gets 10 or 11 tds, i'll sleep, buddy). i dont look at the nfl 30 years ago to see what a logical prediction is for a tight end when this guy isnt even a tight end, i look at the current system, how it runs, what it is currently producing(or very recently produced) and how logic should dictate the future operation of the offense assuming coaches strive for maximum efficiency. there hasnt even been one play drawn up specifically for JF88 to score, in fact, when he left the chicago game they split donald lee out into the one on one jumpball position finley normally occupies and rodgers looked his way and rolled his eyes. I'm not even sure why you're thumpin your chest. You pick the game he goes 9 for 9 and over 100 for the second straight and could have had up to 3 TDs if the game plays out different in honestly the SLIGHTEST manner? you jump on it cuz he doesnt have the pace set for touchdowns when they are being taken off the board...as we can see teams are paying way too much attention to finley in the redzone giving him double coverage and jennings can take a stroll right up the middle of the endzone for an uncontested. if teams choose to play in this manner, that's fine, but it's clearly more logical to let him try to pluck jumpballs and teams will gladly go back to that after a few more check down tds to driver and jennings.

very

 

[T with T]

Are we all perhaps ready to revisit that 15 TD projection and mark it "unlikely to happen"?Records are records for a reason. That reason is that they're really, really, really hard to achieve.

no mention of the 1375 possibility there, doucher?

Finley is currently on pace for 91/1413/0. Your projection was 105/1375/15. In no way, shape, or form is that projection currently a "win". Yes, he's currently on pace to meet the yardage total, albeit just barely. He's shy of the reception pace, albeit again just barely. But while you projected him to 227.5 fantasy points, he's currently only on pace for 141.3 fantasy points. In no way, shape, or form could that be construed as a "win" through 3 weeks. The former total would be far and away the best fantasy season by any TE in history. The latter total would be the 15th best fantasy season of the past decade. Finley's TD pace will almost certainly pick up dramatically as the season progresses... but his yardage pace will almost certainly decline, meaning at the end of the year Jermichael Finley will have put up a fantastic fantasy season, but will not have broken a single TE record in the process.I'm not being a doucher here, I'm just reminding people why you shouldn't project record-setting seasons. Records are records for a reason. If they were easy to break, they would have been broken already.

I dont know what format you run but 143 points???? he is projected for 240 in ppr leagues and thats all I play in... Even without tds he is projected to be top 2 scorer... 240 points would be top 2te behind maybe Gates

 

[Lysdexic]

 

[Hjelle9]

Man, just reread my post, the format of that rant is really bad. I do apologize. I can't believe anyone read through all the commas and parentheses. I was a little revved up still from the inexplicable loss and some substance abuse. It just kept flowing. Future rants, if they need to be posted, will be formatted meticulously.

 

[daylight]

I'm not being a doucher here, I'm just reminding people why you shouldn't project record-setting seasons. Records are records for a reason. If they were easy to break, they would have been broken already.

SSOG: It seems to me that, while records are not easily broken, they *are* broken _all_the_time_ !

I quick glance at NFL records ( http://www.nfl.com/history ) and I see dozens upon dozens of categories with three to dozens of listings each.

If we take a sample size of one dozen records, with an average of five listings each we see that we have 60 listings total.

This means that while we have 12 records _yet_to_be_broken_ we have 48 that _have_been_broken_ .

Looks to me that indeed, records have, for the (overwhelming) majority, *have* been broken (contrary to your logic).

Your logic means nothing, just as records mean nothing. Ever hear the expression "records were meant to be broken"?

The NFL, like the rest of the world, is changing more each year and more rapidly than the previous. Today's Tight Ends are not yesterday's TE's.

There are two factors here, oh fellow Finley Owner, to consider:

Will the coach call his number?

Is the player up to the task?

In Finley's case the answer to both questions is "yes". Finley will re-define the TE position just like...

He's the randy moss of tight ends

Hjelle9:Thank you for defining in 7 words what I was thinking.

~Daylight~

 

[Sweatpants]

Read on a blog that he was retiring from the NFL and becoming a monk. Can anyone confirm?

 

[SSOG]

Man, just reread my post, the format of that rant is really bad. I do apologize. I can't believe anyone read through all the commas and parentheses. I was a little revved up still from the inexplicable loss and some substance abuse. It just kept flowing. Future rants, if they need to be posted, will be formatted meticulously.

Much appreciated.

I'm not being a doucher here, I'm just reminding people why you shouldn't project record-setting seasons. Records are records for a reason. If they were easy to break, they would have been broken already.

SSOG: It seems to me that, while records are not easily broken, they *are* broken _all_the_time_ !

I quick glance at NFL records ( http://www.nfl.com/history ) and I see dozens upon dozens of categories with three to dozens of listings each.

If we take a sample size of one dozen records, with an average of five listings each we see that we have 60 listings total.

This means that while we have 12 records _yet_to_be_broken_ we have 48 that _have_been_broken_ .

Looks to me that indeed, records have, for the (overwhelming) majority, *have* been broken (contrary to your logic).

Your logic means nothing, just as records mean nothing. Ever hear the expression "records were meant to be broken"?

The NFL, like the rest of the world, is changing more each year and more rapidly than the previous. Today's Tight Ends are not yesterday's TE's.

There are two factors here, oh fellow Finley Owner, to consider:

Will the coach call his number?

Is the player up to the task?

In Finley's case the answer to both questions is "yes". Finley will re-define the TE position just like...

He's the randy moss of tight ends

Hjelle9:Thank you for defining in 7 words what I was thinking.

~Daylight~

Let's take a look at how often NFL records have been broken over the last 30 years. The Yards from Scrimmage record that Chris Johnson currently owns has been broken 5 times in the last 30 years. LaDainian Tomlinson's TD record has changed hands 6 times in the last 30 years. The single-season rushing yardage record has been broken once in the last 30 years. The single-season receiving yardage record has been broken once in the last 30 years. The single-season reception mark has fallen 6 times in the last 30 years. The TE single-season receiving yards mark has stood untouched for 30 years. The single-season scoring mark for a TE has fallen twice in the last 30 years. The single-season reception record has fallen 4 times in the last 30 years. Based on those data points, it seems that over the last 30 years, records have averaged a lifespan of just under 10 years (9.6 years on average). That would mean that in any given year, there's a 10% chance that any given record would fall. Now, remember that that means there's a 10% chance that SOMEONE breaks that record- that someone might be Finley, but it also might be Gates, Clark, Davis, Gonzalez, Witten, or any other TE.But Hjelle wasn't just projecting one record would fall. He was projecting ALL THREE MAJOR TE RECORDS would wind up falling to Finley this season. The odds of one player breaking three major records in one year are dramatically, dramatically lower than 10%. Jim Brown never broke more than a single record in one season. Neither did Jerry Rice. Dan Marino managed to break 2 major records in 1984 (yards and TDs), but his pass attempts ranked 9th, his QB rating ranked 3rd, and no other major stat came close to a record. And Dan Marino had a major advantage- in 1984, the 16 game season was only 6 years old, so records were much easier to break back then. As far as I can tell, the last player to set three major records in a single year was... Don Hutson, who set the receptions, receiving yards, and TD record back in 1942. Well, and Mike Ditka, who set all those TE records in the first place... but that's different, because Ditka was essentially the first receiving TE (so he wasn't breaking records so much as he was just setting them in the first place).

I get that the times, they are a changing, and I get that Finley is incredibly talented. None of that changes the fact that it's flat-out ludicrous to project a 3rd year player with no prior history of sustained performance to break every single record on the books and put up the best season by anybody at his position in the history of the league by a good 20%. In my mind, it's akin to predicting that the Dolphins/Patriots game this week will end in a tie. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it unheard of? Absolutely not: we wind up seeing a game end in a tie every 5 years or so. But even if you think that the teams are perfectly matched, to predict that THIS PARTICULAR GAME is going to end in a tie is a huge longshot. It's not a good prediction.

I don't get why it's not enough for some people to say "Jermichael Finley is a great player, one of the best in the league at his position, and he will put up one of the best seasons of the past 10 years". Why does someone have to go out and say "Jermichael Finley is the best player to ever play his position and will put up a season 20% better than any TE has ever put up in NFL history"? Can't it be good enough to just say Jermichael Finley is fantastic? Do we really have to reserve a place in Canton for him already?

 

[gary mexico]

I would just be happy with 100 yards and 2 td's this week.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

kellen winslow 11/22/81

13/144/5

why settle?

 

[rubennbl]

I would just be happy with 100 yards and 2 td's this week.

Amen! Pissed me off when he had the one called back last week!

 

[T with T]

I would just be happy with 100 yards and 2 td's this week.

and 8-10 catches LOL that would be a nice game 8/120/2tds

 

[T with T]

kellen winslow 11/22/8113/144/5why settle?

what are you trying to say>>>> what does winslow have to do with Finley??????? confused man can u type that in english?

 

[-jb-]

kellen winslow 11/22/8113/144/5why settle?

what are you trying to say>>>> what does winslow have to do with Finley??????? confused man can u type that in english?

oh, the irony.

 

[T with T]

kellen winslow 11/22/8113/144/5why settle?

what are you trying to say>>>> what does winslow have to do with Finley??????? confused man can u type that in english?

oh, the irony.

how is that irony?

 

[SSOG]

Four weeks in, and it turns out that there really *IS* a Tight End on pace to break the record for most points ever scored by a fantasy TE this season. Shockingly enough, it's the guy who has made 6 straight pro bowls, 3 first team AP All Pro lists, has the 2nd most receiving TDs of any TE in history, and who will be a first ballot hall of famer, not the guy who came into the season with 750 career receiving yards.

Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4

Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

 

[Choke]

Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4

Pretty damn outstanding, even if Gates is trumping him at this point. Or even if Dallas Clark had been doing better.

 

[OU#1]

Four weeks in, and it turns out that there really *IS* a Tight End on pace to break the record for most points ever scored by a fantasy TE this season. Shockingly enough, it's the guy who has made 6 straight pro bowls, 3 first team AP All Pro lists, has the 2nd most receiving TDs of any TE in history, and who will be a first ballot hall of famer, not the guy who came into the season with 750 career receiving yards.Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

And I drafted both of them!!:championship:

 

[spider321]

Rivers has noone else to throw the ball to.

 

[Raider Nation]

I am a big fan of Finley's, too, but I don't bow down to him.

 

[PolishNorbi]

Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

Since pace matters.EDIT: Damn ESPN with showing half updated stats.

 

[PolishNorbi]

Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

Since pace matters.EDIT: Damn ESPN with showing half updated stats.

Speaking of Pace.. Arian Foster is on pace for 2,148 yrds, a NFL record. 600 yrds receiving as well.

 

[CowboysHomer]

Four weeks in, and it turns out that there really *IS* a Tight End on pace to break the record for most points ever scored by a fantasy TE this season. Shockingly enough, it's the guy who has made 6 straight pro bowls, 3 first team AP All Pro lists, has the 2nd most receiving TDs of any TE in history, and who will be a first ballot hall of famer, not the guy who came into the season with 750 career receiving yards.Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

Of course, had to wait for a day where Gates got as many catches as the rest of his team combined due to shoddy defense down the middle of the field to get around to this...

 

[39407]

Four weeks in, and it turns out that there really *IS* a Tight End on pace to break the record for most points ever scored by a fantasy TE this season. Shockingly enough, it's the guy who has made 6 straight pro bowls, 3 first team AP All Pro lists, has the 2nd most receiving TDs of any TE in history, and who will be a first ballot hall of famer, not the guy who came into the season with 750 career receiving yards.Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

Give it up, let it go... WHO THE #### CARES ANYWAY?!?

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Four weeks in, and it turns out that there really *IS* a Tight End on pace to break the record for most points ever scored by a fantasy TE this season. Shockingly enough, it's the guy who has made 6 straight pro bowls, 3 first team AP All Pro lists, has the 2nd most receiving TDs of any TE in history, and who will be a first ballot hall of famer, not the guy who came into the season with 750 career receiving yards.Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

And I drafted both of them!!:championship:

I have both of them and A.Hernandez too in mydynasty.....Whooooo!

 

[ponchsox]

Dustin Keller's pace: 76/1016/20

 

[Sinrj]

Four weeks in, and it turns out that there really *IS* a Tight End on pace to break the record for most points ever scored by a fantasy TE this season. Shockingly enough, it's the guy who has made 6 straight pro bowls, 3 first team AP All Pro lists, has the 2nd most receiving TDs of any TE in history, and who will be a first ballot hall of famer, not the guy who came into the season with 750 career receiving yards.Jermichael Finley's pace: 84/1204/4Antonio Gates's pace: 96/1544/24

We often overlook elite player in the hunt for the next one. Finley is having a fine season but Gates is in a league of his own.

 

[DavidWilsonsTears]

Update?

 

[Underachievers]

Update?

Is this possiblY the greatest "crow eating" thread of all time?SSOG tried to bring realism into it, but a few posters were having none of that.