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Im not sure if Hou is actually a good spot, they don't target the RB a ton
I agree, esp Pitt
I have made my crush on Harris known for a few years...the question I have is what can you knock him on? He is the complete package...when you look at the end of the first round there are a few teams that could take their O to another level with him in the Bills and Steelers and I think the Dolphins could do a lot worse than reuniting him with Tua...I'm just glad the Chiefs used a #1 on CEH last year because if they didn't and took Najee this year it just wouldn't be fair...as for Smith he just reminds me so much of Marvin Harrison...and you're right, he looks good every time you see him play...on a Super-flex/2 QB note it will be real interesting to see where both Jones and Trask go...I think it is easy to knock Jones because of the talent he plays with but he is extremely accurate and just looks like a leader...as a Pats fan I would love to know what Saban is telling his buddy BB about him because the Pats have a big QB for hire sign in their window right now.
I haven’t done a deep dive but my sense is the QB position is deeper and better this year. As hyperbolic as it sounds the QB has a chance to be on par with ‘83. Lawrence appears to be a generational talent. And there are 4 others that have a chance to have long, successful NFL careers.
Good summary.
This is what I had on that list at this time last year...not what happened this year.
One thing I am impressed with is he will run up field on plays and try to get involved as a blocker, sometimes pretty far down field...love the effort.
Is that the hurdle? Forget it, this guy is number one overall in rookie drafts barring a combine collapse. I thought maybe Etienne, Chase, somebody else, and he'd fall to me at 1.04. But no way.
Will be saying it a 1,000 more times this offseason but Smith reminds me so much of Marvin Harrison...Olave was productive again last night, the kid just knows how to play the position...I feel strongly that he will be a very good NFL WR...could end up being one of the better bangs for your buck in rookie drafts.
Metrics people will be down on Smith. I don't agree with them. There's more to good eval than just metrics and he passes every single one of those other tests.
Yeah, I've got the #3 in a couple of leagues, and I was expecting him to be there, but not anymore. This is going to be a very solid 1st round, although the later rounds won't compete with last year's insane depth.
The OP updated his rankings and has Smith outside the top 12.Not sure I've seen any of that, honestly.
I don't agree. I think this year's second round will likely be similarly as strong as last. Both of these classes were prime for loading up on as many top 20-25 picks you can get.
Great play but to me it also brings up the biggest negative on Najee. That play was his only 50+ yard run or reception in his collegiate career.
I've said this a few times in last few weeks but last years class was top two in last 10 years for both RB's and WR's. When you combine that depth at the two most critical positions in non-SF fantasy you won't be beating that this year or probably any year coming up and I would in fact label it the best overall class, and easily so, in the 10 years I've been doing dynasty.
Agreed. Chase is the #1 overall FF prospect in my book. A superior talent to the remarkable Justin Jefferson. Top end of RB class is good, not great. Chase will be great. I'll take him #1 everywhere, regardless of landing spot. He will be a FF WR1 soon.
You and I probably don't agree on this year's wr class. I agree about the rb depth, but it's made up for at te. Last year literally had none and that is very clearly not the case this year.
Size in and of itself and speed what will likely be solid but when combined with the size not exactly jaw dropping. Jim Nagy said he had Devonta as a high 4.4 range at a pro day in spring of his Soph. year. If that holds you currently got a high 4.4 guy who goes about 175 pounds.
I doubt the bolded is true actually but you can't just dismiss last years RB class with a throw away line. That class was all time great, has a legit chance to rival 2017 and 2008 before that as best ever.
Agreed. I may be in the minority, but I have Chase #1 and Smith #2 overall in my rookie rankings and would take both over any RB is this class. I forsee both being WR1s for many years. I'd take Chase over any WR from last year's stellar class, and take Smith only after Lamb and Jefferson if combining the cohorts.
I agree with you they are the two best players. I have pick 1.1 in two leagues and right now I'd take Najee and in general I hope when it's all said and done I feel good enough about a RB to select one at 1.1 but that has to do with positional scarcity/need, these are the two best players to me.
Well, my comment was in regards to depth. Last year's tier 1 at rb being better than this year's tier 1 does not matter so long as this year's tier 1 is a worthwhile investment in the top 20 or so. And I think they are.
I think a lot of people in dynasty drafts sometimes put too much premium on this type statement. For dynasty I believe you take the best player on your board regardless of your roster construction. The only position that gets some bump due to position is QB in 2QB leagues because the draft is the only way you can a young QB if they are any good.
Yes I'm also talking about depth and positions are not on an island, they work together to create depth. The strength of depth of last years RB class helped create depth at WR because it pushed so many of them the board.
Some validity to what you said but I can't get behind it as a blanket statement. To many variables at play but I'd only bore people talking about my specifics. But short version when you got more WR's then you know what to do with, when you league is not trading for WR's and when that is combined with needing another RB I don't think need should be ignored.
I agree with this.
This is a good point too.
It's exactly because there are too many variables at play that taking the player you think has the best opportunity to succeed regardless of position will serve you better in the long run than taking a lesser player just because you need that position.
But leagues trade even less for players that don't hit.
Agreed. I went on to say you're better off with 6 good WR's than 4 good WR's and 2 misses at RB.
I know what you're saying and I don't disagree so much as I do think the position scarcity of RB in particular can sway the decision. *If* the talent difference is small enough. It is one thing to say one prefers WR X or Y over RB A based on talent, but that doesn't mean the gap is so large as to make it a slam dunk.
But you must admit that's a pretty big jump you are making assuming a RB chosen at 1.1 is not a hit. Keep in mind I said that "I hope" a RB is worthy of being 1.1 when all is said and done, I did not say just pick any old random RB.
Again, I don't disagree. I think it is a very strong approach, really. I just think there are times the gap is so grey it is worth revisiting. However, if your process says the gap is wide, then I'm with you 100%. I guess a tier break would be considered wide enough, no?
