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Fitzgerald owners - Time to hit the panic button? (1 Viewer)

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Ok, you most likely landed Fitz as late WR2 or early WR3 and felt thrilled. He's healthy all off-season but then week 1 comes and he get 1 catch!! Like most experienced FF owners you brush it off but now comes the blips.

Larry Fitzgerald caught one pass for 22 yards in Monday night's Week 1 win over the Chargers.
Fitzgerald was targeted just four times on the night, and didn't see a ball come his way in the first half. It was some odd usage from the coaching staff, as the Cardinals preferred to target 5-foot-10 John Brown on an end-zone fade in the first half and also left Fitzgerald on the sideline on a third-and-four play. Fitzgerald doesn't stretch the field anymore and is more of an Anquan Boldin-type player at 31 years old. He's' more of a mid-range WR2

When asked about Larry Fitzgerald's one-catch night, Carson Palmer said you "just don't want to force balls to him."
Fitzgerald's dad tweeted that the impending 2015 contract dispute is to blame for the lack of usage (zero first-half targets, four overall), but that's silly. A more logical explanation is that Fitzgerald isn't separating like he used to and Palmer needs to throw to him even when "covered." Expect Fitzgerald to get plenty of possession-type looks against the Giants in Week 2
Speaking Tuesday, coach Bruce Arians said the Cardinals aren't going to make a concerted effort to force Larry Fitzgerald the ball.
"The days of targeting one receiver are gone," Arians said. "We don't design plays to have guys get the ball. ... Coverages dictate." It's a strong response to the scuttlebutt over Fitzgerald getting only four targets in Monday's win. Fitz's father tweeted he believed the Cardinals will look away from his son this season in preparation for next winter's contract fight. That's absurd. Michael Floyd has arguably emerged as the Cardinals' best receiver, while John Brown, Ted Ginn, Andre Ellington, John Carlson and Rob Housler are all worthy targets. Fitz's days of being an alpha No. 1 receiver are gone, leaving him as a mid-range WR2 in fantasy leagues.
Panic button time here?


 
Short answer: yes.

I've followed, backed, defended Fitz for a long time and always felt I had my finger on the pulse of why he was up or why he was down. I'm pretty familiar with Arians' effect on players too and I just get the feeling that I'm buying what he's saying and it will hurt Fitz.

Floyd has become a good player. I won't go as far as to say, in a vacuum, he has surpassed Fitz because there is probably not a better combo set of hands/work ethic than Fitz but, with that being said, he is good and commands attention. John Brown probably has hurt Fitz more than anyone because what would have naturally fallen to Fitz is able to be absorbed by Brown and, to a degree, the RBs (which Arians loves to use in short passing).

So what we have left is the NAME player commanding attention as an expensive decoy and a coach smart enough to know that is leaving very talented players open elsewhere.

Fitz has crossed over into the Revis zone on offense, meaning that, in fantasy, he is good enough to draw attention and avoid.

I think he is lucky to be a top 30 WR this year.

 
"The days of targeting one receiver are gone," Arians said. "We don't design plays to have guys get the ball. ... Coverages dictate."
That sounds to me like "Floyd is our best receiver and Fitz will get what he gets".

 
He may be descending in the fantasy world, but I've learned over the years a slow start, ESPECIALLY after just week 1, is way too soon to panic and make year long assumptions. Examples, last year after week one, Calvin, Dez, Decker, Hilton, White, Wright, Patterson, and Cooper (who all had nice seasons) scored between 2.0-7.7 points in PPR scoring leagues.

 
Guy only had four 100 yd games in his last two seasons. Megatron does that in a month. I think his time as an elite WR are over. Will still be a good possession receiver though with a big body and sure hands. See him on around WR40ish with Boldin, Bowe, and Jennings honestly.

 
What happens when Floyd garners extra attention and coverage dictates that Fitz gets the ball? Anyway, him "not being able to gain separation like he used to" is a bunch of horse####, in the sense that no one drafted Fitz with hopes of some inflated YPC by years end. He'll still get his receptions working out of the slot, he'll still get his RZ targets (he didn't lead WRs in RZ targets last year for ####s). Don't panic yet, i.e, don't sell low.

 
I think its all relative in how you view him. I just cant see how you could view him as a top 10-15WR anymore fantasy wise. Once you get in the 20-30 range, sure that's reasonable. He hasn't had a good season since 2011 and is only getting older and is now a second option. Just my 20 cents though

 
Apparently Fitz had the heavy coverage. Flowers (from KC) covered him with a Safety over the top the whole game. This freed up Floyd quite a bit. He did get some endzone shots later in the game. But, even when they were down to the Chargers, ARI kept running the ball, throwing dump offs, etc. They didn't start chucking it at Fitz.

With Fitz being such an unselfish player, I don't think he complains this year. But, when it comes time to renegotiate his deal to make it more cap friendly ($24M cap hit next year or something crazy?), it's possible he goes to another team with a promising young QB, or maybe one with a shot to win the Super Bowl (or both).

 
My biggest concern is Palmer didn't look for him much last night and their communication looked bad. Don't get the feeling Palmer thinks of him as a go-to guy. He wants to spread the ball around instead of treating him like a WR1.

 
I think its all relative in how you view him. I just cant see how you could view him as a top 10-15WR anymore fantasy wise. Once you get in the 20-30 range, sure that's reasonable. He hasn't had a good season since 2011 and is only getting older and is now a second option. Just my 20 cents though
He was 16th in standard, 17th in PPR last year. Define "good". He hasn't had a great season since 2011, yes, but he was more than serviceable last year and was at less than 100%. He also wasn't being drafted as a WR1 either, so no one was valuing him as a top 12 option to begin with.

 
Panic button no, but sure as hell very concerned. Other than when an injury has slowed him down the last couple of years I don't see his skills/separation deteriorating.

Something is not right with Arians and/or Palmer with the way Palmer rarely even looked on the side of the field Fitz was on last night???

If a older slower Boldin can still get plenty of looks I would think Fitz can win his share of tight battles for the ball. If the same crap is happening after week 3 then it may be time to panic.

 
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Palmer looks old and unable to throw down the field much. Maybe I am reading it wrong but Arizona didn't look that impressive to me on offense.

 
Palmer looks old and unable to throw down the field much. Maybe I am reading it wrong but Arizona didn't look that impressive to me on offense.
I actually had the opposite impression. Palmer looked unusually mobile, buying extra time in the pocket. His first pass to Floyd was 50 yards in the air at least.

 
Palmer looks old and unable to throw down the field much. Maybe I am reading it wrong but Arizona didn't look that impressive to me on offense.
I actually had the opposite impression. Palmer looked unusually mobile, buying extra time in the pocket. His first pass to Floyd was 50 yards in the air at least.
Yeah, it was actually quite funny to watch. Also, if Palmer was having trouble throwing down field this thread would be dedicated to Floyd and not Fitz.

 
I'm not sure how Palmer could tell Fitz wasn't open, he rarely even looked at him as his first option in his progressions. Definitely was obvious by the time second half rolled around. Fitz is the type of WR that doesn't need a lot of separation as well. He can out jump, muscle and position a lot of DBs still I bet. Hands are solid as usual. The telling play was the fade in the endzone to the shortest WR on the Cards. That's just a slap in the fact to Fitz man. It got to the point where my friends were joking that Fitz must have slept with Carson's wife or something. LOL

 
Definitely NOT time to panick. Typical week 1 overreaction here.

Demaryius thomas and dez Bryant had similar week 1 duds. They (and fitz) were being bracketed.

Floyd's presence and his week 1 showing will only serve to help fitz shake some coverage moving forward. Hard to watch the tape and justify bracketing fitz and letting Floyd run loose all game.

They will both have up and down weeks this year. That's the way football works guys.

 
"The days of targeting one receiver are gone," Arians said. "We don't design plays to have guys get the ball. ... Coverages dictate."
That sounds to me like "Floyd is our best receiver and Fitz will get what he gets".
If this is true and DC's react the way many people in this thread are reacting, then Floyd will begin drawing the #1 CB on opposing defenses (this year = Sherman, D.Hall, A. Talib).

Then for the first time in Fitz's career perhaps the best route-runner in the NFL will be consistently running against slot and #2 cover corners.

Yes, please.

 
Definitely NOT time to panick. Typical week 1 overreaction here.

Demaryius thomas and dez Bryant had similar week 1 duds. They (and fitz) were being bracketed.

Floyd's presence and his week 1 showing will only serve to help fitz shake some coverage moving forward. Hard to watch the tape and justify bracketing fitz and letting Floyd run loose all game.

They will both have up and down weeks this year. That's the way football works guys.
I agree it's too early to "panic" (although I think many people had their expectations set too high to begin with), but this isn't close to the same thing as DT or Dez.

 
2013 continues.. Fitz will be extremely erratic week to week, probably the most out of all the WR2s, same story as last year

High ceiling, low floor

 
Definitely NOT time to panick. Typical week 1 overreaction here.

Demaryius thomas and dez Bryant had similar week 1 duds. They (and fitz) were being bracketed.

Floyd's presence and his week 1 showing will only serve to help fitz shake some coverage moving forward. Hard to watch the tape and justify bracketing fitz and letting Floyd run loose all game.

They will both have up and down weeks this year. That's the way football works guys.
I agree it's too early to "panic" (although I think many people had their expectations set too high to begin with), but this isn't close to the same thing as DT or Dez.
I wasn't meaning to say that fitz is on the same level as DT or dez. I just mean that he is a stud wr who had a down week in week 1 BC he was double covered most of the game and the cards chose to exploit 1 on 1 matchups elsewhere.

This week, Floyd (and john brown) were the beneficiaries. But the more that happens, the more opposing defenses will roll coverages over to them and then fitz will have great games.

Why do you think Julius thomas scored 3 Tds? BC all the attention was being given to demaryius and to a lesser extent sanders. On one of Julius' Tds a safety was covering him at the goal line one on one. Completely outmatched.

 
2013 continues.. Fitz will be extremely erratic week to week, probably the most out of all the WR2s, same story as last year

High ceiling, low floor
He's still good and will end up a WR2, but it's hard to let go of the idea that he's an automatic start every week.

 
Definitely NOT time to panick. Typical week 1 overreaction here.

Demaryius thomas and dez Bryant had similar week 1 duds. They (and fitz) were being bracketed.

Floyd's presence and his week 1 showing will only serve to help fitz shake some coverage moving forward. Hard to watch the tape and justify bracketing fitz and letting Floyd run loose all game.

They will both have up and down weeks this year. That's the way football works guys.
I agree it's too early to "panic" (although I think many people had their expectations set too high to begin with), but this isn't close to the same thing as DT or Dez.
I wasn't meaning to say that fitz is on the same level as DT or dez. I just mean that he is a stud wr who had a down week in week 1 BC he was double covered most of the game and the cards chose to exploit 1 on 1 matchups elsewhere.

This week, Floyd (and john brown) were the beneficiaries. But the more that happens, the more opposing defenses will roll coverages over to them and then fitz will have great games.

Why do you think Julius thomas scored 3 Tds? BC all the attention was being given to demaryius and to a lesser extent sanders. On one of Julius' Tds a safety was covering him at the goal line one on one. Completely outmatched.
Still not close to the same. DT had 11 targets, including several in the end zone. Dez had 6 targets while missing chunks of the game. Both were primary options for their teams while Fitz was an afterthought, and neither of them have their head coach and QB making not-so-encouraging comments.

 
Definitely NOT time to panick. Typical week 1 overreaction here.

Demaryius thomas and dez Bryant had similar week 1 duds. They (and fitz) were being bracketed.

Floyd's presence and his week 1 showing will only serve to help fitz shake some coverage moving forward. Hard to watch the tape and justify bracketing fitz and letting Floyd run loose all game.

They will both have up and down weeks this year. That's the way football works guys.
I agree it's too early to "panic" (although I think many people had their expectations set too high to begin with), but this isn't close to the same thing as DT or Dez.
I wasn't meaning to say that fitz is on the same level as DT or dez. I just mean that he is a stud wr who had a down week in week 1 BC he was double covered most of the game and the cards chose to exploit 1 on 1 matchups elsewhere.

This week, Floyd (and john brown) were the beneficiaries. But the more that happens, the more opposing defenses will roll coverages over to them and then fitz will have great games.

Why do you think Julius thomas scored 3 Tds? BC all the attention was being given to demaryius and to a lesser extent sanders. On one of Julius' Tds a safety was covering him at the goal line one on one. Completely outmatched.
First off, the bolded - I think you meant to say (at least in relation to Fitz) is "was". Fitz hasn't had a 1k season since 2011 and is now 31 years old. Add to that a very talented Michael Floyd and a solid John Brown.

While Dez and DT had off weeks, their ability to rebound and still put up elite numbers is related to two things:

1) Their age - both still have the speed and ability they have always had. Fitz no longer does - and it's evidenced in his YPC and YAC that has been slipping since 2011.

2) The fact that their respective offenses still focus on them. Yes, both had rough games in week 1. Using DT as an example - 4 catches... but he had 11 targets. Look at last season's game logs for DT - you don't have to go farther back than December. On 12/12 he had 4 receptions for 45 yards. The next two games had lines of: 8-123-1 and 6-113-2. Fitz had a TOTAL of 2 100 yard games last season. Dez had 6 targets - despite leaving the game multiple times due to dehydration.

So, for week 1 targets we have:

DT - 11 (which, incidentally is 3 MORE than Julius had)

Dez - 6

Fitz - 4

Receptions for the 3:

DT- 4

Dez - 4

Fitz - 1

We also have the Arizona Cardinals coach making it clear, when asked about Fitz specifically, that they have no intentions of forcing him the ball.

Time to panic? Not if you drafted him as a WR2/WR3. If you drafted him as your sleeper WR1 or were hoping for high WR2 upside (i.e. top 15-18 WR) I think it is time to be extremely concerned. If you are not, than I think you are not looking at things very realistically.

 
I think Fitz will have games where he will get a high amount of FP, but his era is coming to a close. Michael Floyd will break out this year. He got the speed, athletic body, and will soon replace Fitz as WR1

 
John Brown probably has hurt Fitz more than anyone because what would have naturally fallen to Fitz is able to be absorbed by Brown and, to a degree, the RBs (which Arians loves to use in short passing).
This hasn't actually been the case with Arians historically. He didn't avoid involving RB's in the passing game like the plague or anything, but he's no Sean Payton, either. Definitely agree on the Brown point, though.

 
Palmer looks old and unable to throw down the field much. Maybe I am reading it wrong but Arizona didn't look that impressive to me on offense.
Maybe you should try watching the game. Palmer actually looked very good. It didn't connect but he threw the ball over 60 yards in the air in the first half. He also set a career high for rushing yards. So yeah, just about the opposite of what you said.

Arizona definitely struggled out of the gate, but this is essentially the same offense as last year but with better linemen. Also, Carlson > Housler. I wouldn't put too much stock in a slow first half in week 1.

 
Are we also hitting the panic button on Dez Bryant? What about Julio? He scored less than Hester last week! It is week one people....Fitz will be a fine wr 2 this year, pretty much just what he was drafted for in most leagues.

 
Are we also hitting the panic button on Dez Bryant? What about Julio? He scored less than Hester last week! It is week one people....Fitz will be a fine wr 2 this year, pretty much just what he was drafted for in most leagues.
Hooray, more awful comparisons!

 
Are we also hitting the panic button on Dez Bryant? What about Julio? He scored less than Hester last week! It is week one people....Fitz will be a fine wr 2 this year, pretty much just what he was drafted for in most leagues.
Hooray, more awful comparisons!
Not really...Fitz is a wr 2; he is probably going to average about 12 points per game. Sometimes these type of guys throw up bad games.

 
Are we also hitting the panic button on Dez Bryant? What about Julio? He scored less than Hester last week! It is week one people....Fitz will be a fine wr 2 this year, pretty much just what he was drafted for in most leagues.
Hooray, more awful comparisons!
Not really...Fitz is a wr 2; he is probably going to average about 12 points per game. Sometimes these type of guys throw up bad games.
Yes, really. Julio and Dez aren't WR 2's first of all, but their week 1's weren't on the same planet. Awful might be an understatement.

 
Palmer is out this week and Stanton is in. How do you guys feel about Fitz now?
Cant be worse than last week?
I actually thin Drew is going to Lock onto him
I think he may be forced to lean on his experience to move the chains. Fitz has played with some pretty ####y QBs in his time.
Just looking at the All-22 from last week and only through the beginning of the 2nd Q, but all of Fitz's routes were short and underneath. Stanton may need to rely on these short throws.

 
Guy only had four 100 yd games in his last two seasons. Megatron does that in a month. I think his time as an elite WR are over. Will still be a good possession receiver though with a big body and sure hands. See him on around WR40ish with Boldin, Bowe, and Jennings honestly.
Yup, Fitzgerald is still a bust. Still overrated unless you have him ranked really low. Guy didn't get a target until the fourth quarter I think.

 
I think its all relative in how you view him. I just cant see how you could view him as a top 10-15WR anymore fantasy wise. Once you get in the 20-30 range, sure that's reasonable. He hasn't had a good season since 2011 and is only getting older and is now a second option. Just my 20 cents though
He was 16th in standard, 17th in PPR last year. Define "good". He hasn't had a great season since 2011, yes, but he was more than serviceable last year and was at less than 100%. He also wasn't being drafted as a WR1 either, so no one was valuing him as a top 12 option to begin with.
How's Fitzgerald working out this year again?

 
Hard to take any Cards receiver consistently. They gameplan for a different receiver each game, John Brown said the gameplan was around him this week because the Niners didn't know much about him. Overall Floyd will be the most consistent. Larry still draws double teams which helps the other guys. Drop Larry IMO, he'll have some big games, but lots of fantasy duds.

 

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