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Flaming Hot Cheetos Lie (1 Viewer)

“Total lie” seems harsh. Everyone acknowledges he did, in fact, rise from janitor to executive. The disputed part is the flaming Cheeto.

 
“Total lie” seems harsh. Everyone acknowledges he did, in fact, rise from janitor to executive. The disputed part is the flaming Cheeto.
Yeah - this is the confusing part for me.  He apparently did become an executive so there’s has to be something that made them continue to promote him.

 
And it seems like, from that article, that he did in fact pitch the CEO on a public push for the product. He may not have created but was maybe instrumental in it becoming popular?

 
Yeah - this is the confusing part for me.  He apparently did become an executive so there’s has to be something that made them continue to promote him.
The LA Times article does say that he had a role in some other product rollouts that were somewhat similar but ultimately less successful. Their Chile lime products, etc. He’s also clearly charismatic and can win people over. So pretty good qualities in a marketing person.

And you guys are right, I didn’t mean to imply that he didn’t rise up from janitor to executive because he did. But his story of coming up with one of their most popular brands simply isn’t true.

 
The LA Times article does say that he had a role in some other product rollouts that were somewhat similar but ultimately less successful. Their Chile lime products, etc. He’s also clearly charismatic and can win people over. So pretty good qualities in a marketing person.

And you guys are right, I didn’t mean to imply that he didn’t rise up from janitor to executive because he did. But his story of coming up with one of their most popular brands simply isn’t true.
Yeah - I could see a scenario where either he's taking credit for something he really didn't play a role in OR he played a very minor role and is trumpeting up his involvement.  In a company as large as Frito Lay there's definitely going to be product teams that get some outside input - maybe he did "consult" on that one but that's it.

 
The LA Times article does say that he had a role in some other product rollouts that were somewhat similar but ultimately less successful. Their Chile lime products, etc. He’s also clearly charismatic and can win people over. So pretty good qualities in a marketing person.

And you guys are right, I didn’t mean to imply that he didn’t rise up from janitor to executive because he did. But his story of coming up with one of their most popular brands simply isn’t true.
I happened to listen to an NPR podcast about him recently. 

Frito-Lay records from that time are inconclusive in regards to his story or others.  One person is claiming he wasn't part of the invention of this product, but there's no evidence to support those claims. 

Your bolded statement simply isn't true.

 
I happened to listen to an NPR podcast about him recently. 

Frito-Lay records from that time are inconclusive in regards to his story or others.  One person is claiming he wasn't part of the invention of this product, but there's no evidence to support those claims. 

Your bolded statement simply isn't true.
“None of our records show that Richard was involved in any capacity in the Flamin’ Hot test market,” Frito-Lay wrote in a statement to The Times. “We have interviewed multiple personnel who were involved in the test market, and all of them indicate Richard was not involved in any capacity in the test market.”

There was a team working on the idea in 1989 and one lady in particular is credited with originating the name Flamin Hot.  Richard's main supporter says that he encouraged him to present his idea to the CEO in 1992.  It is possible that his homemade version of the hot cheetos contributed to the final product.  It does seem odd that Frito-Lay allowed him to perpetuate his myth for years and are only now correcting the record. 

 
Oh, and for the record - the original is 10x better than the Flaming Cheetos.  The Cheddar Jalapeno ones are really good but still not better than the original.

 
I happened to listen to an NPR podcast about him recently. 

Frito-Lay records from that time are inconclusive in regards to his story or others.  One person is claiming he wasn't part of the invention of this product, but there's no evidence to support those claims. 

Your bolded statement simply isn't true.
Did you read the article? It’s pretty conclusive.

 
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I remember hearing about this story years ago and even then it just seemed too good to be true. Kind of amazing that the truth took this long to come out.
Hard to be sure without memorialization ... but looking at this link, it seems possible that Montanez simply had a similar idea within a few years of Flamin' Hot Cheetos' initial development. At the time, Montanez probably wasn't in a position to know what was in development. And it seems plausible that Carey (a retired executive mentioned in the article) encouraged Montanez to pitch the idea to someone up high. It also seems plausible (but really rare) that that someone on high liked Montanez's guts, professionalism, creativity, or whatever and sought to promote him up through the company ranks.

Montanez might have thought (at some point) he had a role in getting Flamin' Hot Cheetos developed. Still, I'd have to think that in recent years, he's been in a position to know better. But then ... with Frito-Lay's policy of not crediting individuals for flavor creation ... who's to say Montanez' pitch wasn't something that pushed the ball over the goal line? Maybe Flamin' Hot was just kind of a "we'll see" thing for a few years, but Montanez made them realize that there could be a better market for them than expected?

 
You guys are being too nice to the guy trying to make it seem like he had anything to do with it based on the 1992 meeting that is backed up by one guy who:

Carey became president and CEO of Frito-Lay North America in 2006. In 2007, Montañez began telling his story in public, and the pair have made joint appearances at a number of public events over the course of their careers.

Appears to also be making money and some fame off of this story. Heck, there’s a movie being produced by Eva Longoria and there’s pictures of this guy at award shows. Fame, hobnobbing with celebs and money are a powerful thing. Also, from the same LA Times article, it mentions all the proof that the Flamin Hot brand was already in test markets in 1990/1991 and rolled out across the country in early 1992. If a product is rolled out nation wide in 1992, his meeting in 1992 with the CEO had no effect on it.

 
This is one hell of a guerilla marketing campaign they are putting on right now. 
Seems like the movie deal may have put him too far in the public eye that the people actually responsible for it made a stink. Maybe Frito Lay wants to get ahead of it before the lie becomes more widely known. They get some free advertising right now but it’s not for the “wrong” reason if they keep letting it go.

Also, for something like this, there isn’t really a particular person being maligned, i.e. no one else would be collecting public speaking paychecks and movie rights money. Since there isn’t that person to replace him, he was able to just keep rolling along.

 
You guys are being too nice to the guy trying to make it seem like he had anything to do with it based on the 1992 meeting that is backed up by one guy who:

Carey became president and CEO of Frito-Lay North America in 2006. In 2007, Montañez began telling his story in public, and the pair have made joint appearances at a number of public events over the course of their careers.

Appears to also be making money and some fame off of this story. Heck, there’s a movie being produced by Eva Longoria and there’s pictures of this guy at award shows. Fame, hobnobbing with celebs and money are a powerful thing. Also, from the same LA Times article, it mentions all the proof that the Flamin Hot brand was already in test markets in 1990/1991 and rolled out across the country in early 1992. If a product is rolled out nation wide in 1992, his meeting in 1992 with the CEO had no effect on it.
Richard is certainly resourceful.  I can see why he rose from janitor to Frito Lay VP.

The film set to be released about his life is scheduled to begin filming this summer, and Montañez told Variety that he sees no reason why Frito-Lays' claims would impact the project.

"I think that [the film is] going to inspire people to do the right thing. Don't make the mistake Montañez made. Document everything," he said. "The story isn't really about Hot Cheetos. The story is about overcoming adversity and racial discrimination."

 
Richard is certainly resourceful.  I can see why he rose from janitor to Frito Lay VP.

The film set to be released about his life is scheduled to begin filming this summer, and Montañez told Variety that he sees no reason why Frito-Lays' claims would impact the project.

"I think that [the film is] going to inspire people to do the right thing. Don't make the mistake Montañez made. Document everything," he said. "The story isn't really about Hot Cheetos. The story is about overcoming adversity and racial discrimination."
Oh yeah, I can definitely understand why he moved up. I love his take (and referring to himself in the 3rd person) on the controversy. Pivot to a different angle and blame the lie on not documenting everything even though there’s plenty of proof of a national rollout already underway before his huge meeting.

 
i thought you meant like the cheetos themselves actually lie so you know if you pulled one out to munch it then it would say hey buddy if you dont eat me i will give you a million bucks and then when he got out his wallet all he had was like a ten and a couple ones take that to the bank brohans 

 
i thought you meant like the cheetos themselves actually lie so you know if you pulled one out to munch it then it would say hey buddy if you dont eat me i will give you a million bucks and then when he got out his wallet all he had was like a ten and a couple ones take that to the bank brohans 
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You guys are being too nice to the guy trying to make it seem like he had anything to do with it based on the 1992 meeting that is backed up by one guy who:

Carey became president and CEO of Frito-Lay North America in 2006. In 2007, Montañez began telling his story in public, and the pair have made joint appearances at a number of public events over the course of their careers.

Appears to also be making money and some fame off of this story. Heck, there’s a movie being produced by Eva Longoria and there’s pictures of this guy at award shows. Fame, hobnobbing with celebs and money are a powerful thing. Also, from the same LA Times article, it mentions all the proof that the Flamin Hot brand was already in test markets in 1990/1991 and rolled out across the country in early 1992. If a product is rolled out nation wide in 1992, his meeting in 1992 with the CEO had no effect on it.
So much for Cheetos never prospering. 

 

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