Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

I'm laughing at you.

Uh huh. Wouldn't want to appear insensitive, right counselor? Except you already have.

 

[Christo]

Wow, it got dumb in here all of the sudden.

new here?

That last page was dumb even for this thread.

I didn't think mine we too bad.

Well, you pretty much screwed the pooch relying on Sharpton for his legal expertise. It was the job of the police to look into Zimmerman's self defense claim. And self defense is not an affirmative defense that has to be proved by the Zimmrman.

 

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

 

[Christo]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

I'm laughing at you.

Uh huh. Wouldn't want to appear insensitive, right counselor? Except you already have.

No one thinks I'm insensitive for laughing at you.

 

[TexanFan02]

Wow, it got dumb in here all of the sudden.

new here?

That last page was dumb even for this thread.

I didn't think mine we too bad.

Well, you pretty much screwed the pooch relying on Sharpton for his legal expertise. It was the job of the police to look into Zimmerman's self defense claim. And self defense is not an affirmative defense that has to be proved by the Zimmrman.

Not in Florida. Terrible law.

 

[Christo]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

 

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

I'm laughing at you.

Uh huh. Wouldn't want to appear insensitive, right counselor? Except you already have.

No one thinks I'm insensitive for laughing at you.

39.

 

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

 

[Fennis]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

When did you become such a great defender of the rights of people charged with a crime?

 

[jon_mx]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

WEINER DID NOT TWEET HIS WEINER.

 

[Christo]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

I don't know if you ever did. But what does that have to do with my statement?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Oh havent you guys heard the latest??? The whole 2nd degree murder charge is just a big cicus show to please the masses and keep the hordes of upset people from rioting. They really dont have any new evidence to disprove zimmermans self defense claim.

Speaking of evidence, I thought the SA was going to roll some new evidence out tonight. I guess I missed it.

i guess you also missed where they said they werent going to release any evidence to the public.They also said that too many things have already been leaked .

 

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

I don't know if you ever did. But what does that have to do with my statement?

Why is that an interesting statement? Because it's in bold?

 

[jon_mx]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

When did you become such a great defender of the rights of people charged with a crime?

He not an Islamic terrorist.

 

[jon_mx]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

I don't know if you ever did. But what does that have to do with my statement?

Why is that an interesting statement? Because it's in bold?

Bold and caps always make it more interesting. You are the most interesting man in the world.

 

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

I don't know if you ever did. But what does that have to do with my statement?

Why is that an interesting statement? Because it's in bold?

Bold and caps always make it more interesting. You are the most interesting man in the world.

I don't always point out murderers,

But when I do they're guilty.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

but isnt he a fellow hispanic?

 

[TexanFan02]

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

but isnt he a fellow hispanic?

No, that's Manuel. Manuel Labor.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

It's pronounced "Hey-Zeus"HTH

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

but isnt he a fellow hispanic?

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

but isnt he a fellow hispanic?

No, that's Manuel. Manuel Labor.

I just saw Zimmerman was arrested. Apparently Jesus had a heavy hand in it.

It's pronounced "Hey-Zeus"HTH

 

[Christo]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

I don't know if you ever did. But what does that have to do with my statement?

Why is that an interesting statement? Because it's in bold?

No, you just haven't seemed all that concerned with the fact we don't know all of the evidence up until this point in time.

 

[cstu]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Wow, it got dumb in here all of the sudden.

new here?

That last page was dumb even for this thread.

I didn't think mine we too bad.

Well, you pretty much screwed the pooch relying on Sharpton for his legal expertise. It was the job of the police to look into Zimmerman's self defense claim. And self defense is not an affirmative defense that has to be proved by the Zimmrman.

My Sharpton reference was more about liking that he wasn't calling for Zim's head and rather just stated that the major issue was the police department and former prosecutor and their handling of things. He just seemed less inflammatory then I expected and almost rational. Since when is self defense not an affirmative defense? And this prosecutor stated a few times that it was an affirmative defense in this case during the press Conf.You don't think the charge is telling given the sentencing guidelines being so close in Murder 2 and the Aggravated Manslaughter charge that Manslaughter would be converted to in Florida?

 

[TexanFan02]

Oh, but there can't be 2nd degree murder charges, because Christo and John Mx at that. Oh wait...

Nobody is laughing at anything. But until we see evidence it is uncertain if it is a good case or just one brought out of political neccessity.. The evidence released to date is weak.

Technically, Christo is. And we don't know all the evidence, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out.

You are the one making the presumption he is guilty without seeing the evidence. I am making no such presumption. The evidence so far doesn't come close to proving guilt.

WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE EVIDENCE

Interesting statement coming from you.

Where have I ever said we have all the evidence?

I don't know if you ever did. But what does that have to do with my statement?

Why is that an interesting statement? Because it's in bold?

No, you just haven't seemed all that concerned with the fact we don't know all of the evidence up until this point in time.

Really?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What happens when Zimmerman is NOT found guilty?

Let's jump to the end game here. We know none of the facts, he could be found innocent or guilty, but assume he beats the charges or a jury finds him not guilty...what will the reaction be in Florida and other places around the country? There was a huge outcry of emotions on both sides and in here at the mighty FFA as well. In one sense it's a relief that an arrest has been made but you get the feeling it won't stop there. The media and some of these new social mediums like Twitter, Facebook, these things were not around for some of the major court cases in history. This could become even more volatile if Zimmerman is not found guilty and sent to prison. Coordinated looting has not rally taken place yet but this type of event could trigger something like that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

christo will say...he was released do to a lack of evidence.

 

[TexanFan02]

What happens when Zimmerman is NOT found guilty?

Let's jump to the end game here. We know none of the facts, he could be found innocent or guilty, but assume he beats the charges or a jury finds him not guilty...what will the reaction be in Florida and other places around the country? There was a huge outcry of emotions on both sides and in here at the mighty FFA as well. In one sense it's a relief that an arrest has been made but you get the feeling it won't stop there. The media and some of these new social mediums like Twitter, Facebook, these things were not around for some of the major court cases in history. This could become even more volatile if Zimmerman is not found guilty and sent to prison. Coordinated looting has not rally taken place yet but this type of event could trigger something like that.

I think that's unlikely, but check with Christo, he's heavily invested in this thread.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What happens when Zimmerman is NOT found guilty?

Let's jump to the end game here. We know none of the facts, he could be found innocent or guilty, but assume he beats the charges or a jury finds him not guilty...what will the reaction be in Florida and other places around the country? There was a huge outcry of emotions on both sides and in here at the mighty FFA as well. In one sense it's a relief that an arrest has been made but you get the feeling it won't stop there. The media and some of these new social mediums like Twitter, Facebook, these things were not around for some of the major court cases in history. This could become even more volatile if Zimmerman is not found guilty and sent to prison. Coordinated looting has not rally taken place yet but this type of event could trigger something like that.

well for one thing the SPD wont be running things like they have been ever again no matter what the outcome is.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What happens when Zimmerman is NOT found guilty?

Let's jump to the end game here. We know none of the facts, he could be found innocent or guilty, but assume he beats the charges or a jury finds him not guilty...what will the reaction be in Florida and other places around the country? There was a huge outcry of emotions on both sides and in here at the mighty FFA as well. In one sense it's a relief that an arrest has been made but you get the feeling it won't stop there. The media and some of these new social mediums like Twitter, Facebook, these things were not around for some of the major court cases in history. This could become even more volatile if Zimmerman is not found guilty and sent to prison. Coordinated looting has not rally taken place yet but this type of event could trigger something like that.

I think that's unlikely, but check with Christo, he's heavily invested in this thread.

I'm not so sure about that. Especially if this PTSD thing has merit. And if it true that travon threw the first punch and was pummeling him, especially if combined with this PTSD scenario, while it still is heartbreaking that an unarmed kid who probably was spooked he was being followed is dead, Zim might still be technically not guilty of murder 2. But that's why the charge surprises me. Manslaughter would have been easier to show under these circumstances seemingly. So perhaps there is more out there. We will find out at trial.

 

[TexanFan02]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

christo will say...he was released do to a lack of evidence.

Chriso has an exit strategy no matter what. That's his shctick. He's NEVER wrong. It takes dedication to adhere to this. If Zimmerman is guilty, he'll tell you I told you so. If he's found innocent, then he was right all along. This is not new, although I don't think Christo has extended himself in a topic to this extent.

 

[Christo]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

That the cops should have made an arrest and it wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

christo will say...he was released do to a lack of evidence.

Chriso has an exit strategy no matter what. That's his shctick. He's NEVER wrong. It takes dedication to adhere to this. If Zimmerman is guilty, he'll tell you I told you so. If he's found innocent, then he was right all along. This is not new, although I don't think Christo has extended himself in a topic to this extent.

he should change his name from christo to smoke screen

 

[Christo]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

christo will say...he was released do to a lack of evidence.

Chriso has an exit strategy no matter what. That's his shctick. He's NEVER wrong. It takes dedication to adhere to this. If Zimmerman is guilty, he'll tell you I told you so. If he's found innocent, then he was right all along. This is not new, although I don't think Christo has extended himself in a topic to this extent.

 

[timschochet]

MOP, the answer to your question depends in part on the makeup of the jury:

e.

1. First off, I think that a large part of the volatile reaction to this case was defused today. I believe that African-Americans were more outraged that Zimmerman was not arrested than they were by any other aspect, even the alleged crime itself. Now he has been arrested, and that is removed. Although this case will continue to garner much attention, I'm not sure it will be quite as volatile. And if Zimmerman is ultimately acquitted, the reaction MAY be: "Well, what we wanted was for him to be tried. Now he has been." Maybe.

2. However, if the jury is lily white, or Hispanic, if there are no blacks anywhere near the jury, and Zimmerman is acquitted, then we could be in for a heap of trouble. Then it's the Rodney King verdict all over again.

3. Further however: as I've stated before, the Rodney King riots were not inevitable.The police screwed that up. Most people did not riot. And the ones who did were allowed to run rampant. If worst comes to the worst, there doesn't have to be riots if the authorities know what they're doing.

 

[TexanFan02]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

That the cops should have made an arrest and it wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

That's why it's a terrible law. But because I'm saying it, you'll respond with . I understand, it's a crutch.

 

[timschochet]

The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

So you believe that Angela Corey is now in possession of evidence which gives her probable cause that the self-defense claim is false?

 

[Christo]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

That the cops should have made an arrest and it wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

That's why it's a terrible law. But because I'm saying it, you'll respond with . I understand, it's a crutch.

I can't help it, you amuse me.

 

[TexanFan02]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

That the cops should have made an arrest and it wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

That's why it's a terrible law. But because I'm saying it, you'll respond with . I understand, it's a crutch.

I can't help it, you amuse me.

Good deal. Let's see what happens. #####.

 

[Christo]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

That the cops should have made an arrest and it wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

That's why it's a terrible law. But because I'm saying it, you'll respond with . I understand, it's a crutch.

I can't help it, you amuse me.

Good deal. Let's see what happens. #####.

171 pages and now you're preaching patience?

 

[TexanFan02]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

That the cops should have made an arrest and it wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

That's why it's a terrible law. But because I'm saying it, you'll respond with . I understand, it's a crutch.

I can't help it, you amuse me.

Good deal. Let's see what happens. #####.

171 pages and now you're preaching patience?

You amuse me.

 

[scottybo]

Blah blah blah.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP, the answer to your question depends in part on the makeup of the jury:e. 1. First off, I think that a large part of the volatile reaction to this case was defused today. I believe that African-Americans were more outraged that Zimmerman was not arrested than they were by any other aspect, even the alleged crime itself. Now he has been arrested, and that is removed. Although this case will continue to garner much attention, I'm not sure it will be quite as volatile. And if Zimmerman is ultimately acquitted, the reaction MAY be: "Well, what we wanted was for him to be tried. Now he has been." Maybe.2. However, if the jury is lily white, or Hispanic, if there are no blacks anywhere near the jury, and Zimmerman is acquitted, then we could be in for a heap of trouble. Then it's the Rodney King verdict all over again. 3. Further however: as I've stated before, the Rodney King riots were not inevitable.The police screwed that up. Most people did not riot. And the ones who did were allowed to run rampant. If worst comes to the worst, there doesn't have to be riots if the authorities know what they're doing.

I hope 1 is right but I'm thinking maybe not so much...media loves this story and in an election year...this thing probably won't go to trial for a long time. The 2nd scenario is scary.

 

[glumpy]

MOP, the answer to your question depends in part on the makeup of the jury:e. 1. First off, I think that a large part of the volatile reaction to this case was defused today. I believe that African-Americans were more outraged that Zimmerman was not arrested than they were by any other aspect, even the alleged crime itself. Now he has been arrested, and that is removed. Although this case will continue to garner much attention, I'm not sure it will be quite as volatile. And if Zimmerman is ultimately acquitted, the reaction MAY be: "Well, what we wanted was for him to be tried. Now he has been." Maybe.2. However, if the jury is lily white, or Hispanic, if there are no blacks anywhere near the jury, and Zimmerman is acquitted, then we could be in for a heap of trouble. Then it's the Rodney King verdict all over again. 3. Further however: as I've stated before, the Rodney King riots were not inevitable.The police screwed that up. Most people did not riot. And the ones who did were allowed to run rampant. If worst comes to the worst, there doesn't have to be riots if the authorities know what they're doing.

I hope 1 is right but I'm thinking maybe not so much...media loves this story and in an election year...this thing probably won't go to trial for a long time. The 2nd scenario is scary.

Scary, indeed. Don't remember the source (likely talk radio) but recently they were talking about jury makeups. It will be a miracle if the Defense accepts any blacks.

 

[glumpy]

The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

So you believe that Angela Corey is now in possession of evidence which gives her probable cause that the self-defense claim is false?

Tim. I was thinking about this yesterday on the way home as they were making the announcement. I think it's a slam dunk. Consider what we -think- we know:The man was stalking from his car. He stopped to confront/continue stalking the boy.He shot him.I understand that scenario is described with a bias--but it's certainly plausable enough that the DA has to at least bring it to trial.

 

[The Commish]

Zimmerman killed someone - he should have to prove his case in a court of law. Just a hunch based on the fact that Z is almost certainly rowing with one paddle, but I bet there are parts of his story that are just plain false and beating the rap isn't a given even in Florida.

That's not the way it works.

It should be. Terrible law.

Well, in this discussion, it's not the law, it's our system. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The charged don't have to "prove" anything in court. That burden falls to the prosecution. That's the point Christo is making.

People who admit to murdering someone aren't presumed innocent. They murdered someone. This law restricts the police from arresting them and letting justice take its course. It's a terrible law.

My point was/is he's talking about how the judicial system in this country works. He wasn't talking about this law specifically. We can certainly talk about the law, but that's not what was being talked about in this conversation.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

get ready for 20 responses in a row from carolina hustler this morning...hes the conveyor belt of answers

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I understand how the courts work Christo, but thanks for your vigilance.

Read a good quote about Mitch McConnell yesterday. "He has a considerable knack for being scrupulously accurate and rarely honest."

No idea why that came to mind here.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm glad it's going to trial. Zim may very well have feared for his life to the extent that lethal force was permissible. I don't know. IMO the reason why this thing got so big was because the cops should have made an arrest that night. It wasn't their role to determine whether an affirmative defense was justified under the circumstances. Al Sharpton even said as much today. Which was good coming from him.

What part is wrong, Christo? Had he been arrested in the beginning and released due to lack of evidence it's very possible that this doesn't turn into a national story.

christo will say...he was released do to a lack of evidence.

Chriso has an exit strategy no matter what. That's his shctick. He's NEVER wrong. It takes dedication to adhere to this. If Zimmerman is guilty, he'll tell you I told you so. If he's found innocent, then he was right all along. This is not new, although I don't think Christo has extended himself in a topic to this extent.

he should change his name from christo to smoke screen

You guys want to label him as being on Zimmermans side, just because he hasn't sided with the mob.. You, Tex, Bob, and about 2 others seem to be the only ones still thinking this way. You're fueling your own fire..It appears to me that he's just toying with you guys.. He hasn't really made an argument aside from "you are wrong".. Which you guys typically are.. So regardless of Zimmerman, Christo is right..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The statute we've been discussing throughout this entire thread requires the police to make that determination and to not make an arrest until they have probable cause that the self-defense claim is false.

So you believe that Angela Corey is now in possession of evidence which gives her probable cause that the self-defense claim is false?