Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

Dude ...take a valium

Ironic coming from a guy who claims to have been in dozens of fist fights as an 'adult'.

i havent been in a fight in over 15 years...but still please feel free to take 2 valiums

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

oh MS...you`re forgetting the ''abrasion'' on treys finger...lol...it wasnt even classified as a cut, thats how minor it was. The nose was NEVER proven to be broken by anyone in the medical field, all just conjecture. The tiny little cuts on his head didnt even need 1 stitch. You seem to be missing the point CH, nobody is saying there wasnt some kind of altercation, we are saying that it wasnt the magnitude that zimmerman is claiming based on the lack of injuries.

There is a doctors report from a doctor who examined Zimmermans nose, saying his nose was broken.. Not sure why you keep saying there wasn't..When someone says there are no injuries to Martins hands, they are wrong as well..

Where did the gashes on the back of Zimmerman's head come from?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

Coroner said there were injuries to Martins hands.. Anything else?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

Coroner said there were injuries to Martins hands.. Anything else?

spoken like a true defense lawyer wannabe. He had one tiny abrasion on his ring finger just below his middle knuckle...pretty severe for only raining down dozens of MMA style punches onto a mans face and head ...im gonna say it AGAIN, he would have had swelling in his hands if he really was punching zimmy in the face and head as many times as zimmy claims...i would think you of all people would agree with that CH

 

[Carolina Hustler]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

Coroner said there were injuries to Martins hands.. Anything else?

spoken like a true defense lawyer wannabe. He had one tiny abrasion on his ring finger just below his middle knuckle...pretty severe for only raining down dozens of MMA style punches onto a mans face and head ...im gonna say it AGAIN, he would have had swelling in his hands if he really was punching zimmy in the face and head as many times as zimmy claims...i would think you of all people would agree with that CH

I would think you would know better Not every fight produces swollen or cut up hands.. I can remember 3-4 times where I messed up my hands pretty bad in a fight. Cuts happen, but serious swelling would depend on the damage you did to your hands, breaks/fractures/bone chips, which usually depends on where you hit the person.

I'm starting to think your fight stories are BS..

Not sure what you're getting at though.. He was obviously attaching Zimmerman.

How bad would your hands look after bouncing someones head off the concrete?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

How hard do you need to hit someone to cause an abrasion on your hand?

You keep saying he should have blood on his hands since his hands were on his mouth, why? Was a tremendous amount of blood coming out of his mouth?

It was raining, don't you think that might be a factor...hmmm?

Oh thats right, he only had a broken nose (supposably) and those dont bleed at all. Was it raining ice cubes> Maybe that would explain why there wasnt any swelling on his cheeks , jaw , forehead or lips. Use common sense here , please. You act like saying people who claim they just got the crap kicked out of them shouldnt look like they just got the crap beat out of them. I think zimmerman was involved in a scuffle/wrestling match and panicked , pulled out his gun and shot too soon. At least thats what the lack of injuries tells me.Oh ya..if you hit someone repeatedly in the face and head you WILL have swelling and or cuts on your hands...every time. Lets just say thats my area of expertise

He had a cut on his nose, and the doctor said he had a broken nose.. At this point, you saying you know better than the examining doctor?Where did the gashes come from on the back of his head?

The picture of Zimmerman's face straight on, in the police car showed a swollen nose as well..

Where did these injuries come from? If not from Trayvon? The ones specifically on the back of his head.?

All those vicious blows just happened to not mark up Martin's hands.

Coroner said there were injuries to Martins hands.. Anything else?

spoken like a true defense lawyer wannabe. He had one tiny abrasion on his ring finger just below his middle knuckle...pretty severe for only raining down dozens of MMA style punches onto a mans face and head ...im gonna say it AGAIN, he would have had swelling in his hands if he really was punching zimmy in the face and head as many times as zimmy claims...i would think you of all people would agree with that CH

I would think you would know better Not every fight produces swollen or cut up hands.. I can remember 3-4 times where I messed up my hands pretty bad in a fight. Cuts happen, but serious swelling would depend on the damage you did to your hands, breaks/fractures/bone chips, which usually depends on where you hit the person.

I'm starting to think your fight stories are BS..

Not sure what you're getting at though.. He was obviously attaching Zimmerman.

How bad would your hands look after bouncing someones head off the concrete?

I couldnt care any less if you believe me or not, i only mentioned them because thats what i draw my conclusions from....experience.If you hit someone once or twice clean , yes you probably wont have swelling in your hands, but if you are hitting someone over and over as zimmy claims trey was then yes you WILL have swelling...not broken hands type of swelling but swelling just the same.

I never said he wasnt in a fight of some kind, but again you are advoiding the point which is the injuries dont match the story of getting beaten so bad he was losing consciousness...go look at his pictures again in the police station.

He goes to his personal physician the day after the incident so he can get a note to return to work and thats who said he had a closed nose fracture , yet no xrays were taken ....very strange.

No stitches for his head and no signs of concussion...hmmm. Poor guy was really in it huh? good thing he had that pistol or he may have gotten a bloody lip also.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

But nobody PROVED the nose was actually broken and it wasn't raining ICE CUBES.

 

[Christo]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

Dude ...take a valium

Ironic coming from a guy who claims to have been in dozens of fist fights as an 'adult'.

i havent been in a fight in over 15 years...but still please feel free to take 2 valiums

Even if it's been a while your experience probably disqualifies you from judging the reasonableness of Zimmerman's beliefs. You probably have a much better understanding of how much damage you can take without having to fear for your life. You probably have a different definition of "great bodily harm" than most people. Most people have never been punched in the face once let alone been in a position like Zimmerman was that night. Yes, he put himself in that position. But he might not have expected it to go that far. Once he was there, he was clearly over his head. I have a feeling the majority of people who found themselves alone at night pinned underneath someone who was hitting them in the head would have been scared ####less even if they knew the police were on the way.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

Dude ...take a valium

Ironic coming from a guy who claims to have been in dozens of fist fights as an 'adult'.

i havent been in a fight in over 15 years...but still please feel free to take 2 valiums

Even if it's been a while your experience probably disqualifies you from judging the reasonableness of Zimmerman's beliefs. You probably have a much better understanding of how much damage you can take without having to fear for your life. You probably have a different definition of "great bodily harm" than most people. Most people have never been punched in the face once let alone been in a position like Zimmerman was that night. Yes, he put himself in that position. But he might not have expected it to go that far. Once he was there, he was clearly over his head. I have a feeling the majority of people who found themselves alone at night pinned underneath someone who was hitting them in the head would have been scared ####less even if they knew the police were on the way.

ok...you make some good points...i`ll give you that one.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Even if it's been a while your experience probably disqualifies you from judging the reasonableness of Zimmerman's beliefs. You probably have a much better understanding of how much damage you can take without having to fear for your life. You probably have a different definition of "great bodily harm" than most people. Most people have never been punched in the face once let alone been in a position like Zimmerman was that night. Yes, he put himself in that position. But he might not have expected it to go that far. Once he was there, he was clearly over his head. I have a feeling the majority of people who found themselves alone at night pinned underneath someone who was hitting them in the head would have been scared ####less even if they knew the police were on the way.

So as prosecutor, assuming there is no smoking gun still to come out who would you want on the jury to get a conviction? I'd assume the defense is going to try to put the juror into Zimmerman's place to show how his actions were reasonable in the situation. What kind of juror is going to be willing to scoff at this and at the same time vote for guilty?

 

[Christo]

Even if it's been a while your experience probably disqualifies you from judging the reasonableness of Zimmerman's beliefs. You probably have a much better understanding of how much damage you can take without having to fear for your life. You probably have a different definition of "great bodily harm" than most people. Most people have never been punched in the face once let alone been in a position like Zimmerman was that night. Yes, he put himself in that position. But he might not have expected it to go that far. Once he was there, he was clearly over his head. I have a feeling the majority of people who found themselves alone at night pinned underneath someone who was hitting them in the head would have been scared ####less even if they knew the police were on the way.

So as prosecutor, assuming there is no smoking gun still to come out who would you want on the jury to get a conviction? I'd assume the defense is going to try to put the juror into Zimmerman's place to show how his actions were reasonable in the situation. What kind of juror is going to be willing to scoff at this and at the same time vote for guilty?

Probably the opposite of who a prosecutor would normally want. Liberal over conservative. Black over white. Female over male--especially mothers. Young over old.

 

[Witz]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

 

[Witz]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

It couldn't be because the judge was out of line...nah...that couldn't be it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

It couldn't be because the judge was out of line...nah...that couldn't be it.

It sure wasn't.

 

[Witz]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

It couldn't be because the judge was out of line...nah...that couldn't be it.

It sure wasn't.

So in your opinion - the judges on the panel made their ruling strictly as a favor or courtesy to Zimmerman's dad? That's what you are saying?

 

[Christo]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

 

[Christo]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

It couldn't be because the judge was out of line...nah...that couldn't be it.

It sure wasn't.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

It couldn't be because the judge was out of line...nah...that couldn't be it.

It sure wasn't.

X. Judge crossed the line. Grandstanding etc. He is he the neutral ref. If he oversteps that as he did here, clear case for recusal.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

Interesting - I didn't even think this was still an option.

Zimms dad pulling strings.

It couldn't be because the judge was out of line...nah...that couldn't be it.

It sure wasn't.

X. Judge crossed the line. Grandstanding etc. He is he the neutral ref. If he oversteps that as he did here, clear case for recusal.

George Zimmerman gets new judge for caseA veteran judge with broad experience and a reputation for being tough on both lawyers and defendants has been assigned to take over George Zimmerman’s murder trial.

Seminole County Circuit Judge Debra Nelson is a familiar face to the Zimmerman family: She is the same jurist assigned to handle Zimmerman’s wife’s perjury case.

Zimmerman’s legal team might live to regret forcing the last judge off the case because Nelson runs a tight ship and tends to favor the prosecution, Central Florida lawyers said. A native of South Florida who did a brief stint at the Broward state attorney’s office, Nelson is known for being a no-nonsense judge who keeps lawyers on their toes.

“I don’t think they did themselves any favors,” said attorney Jose Baez, best known for defending “tot mom” Casey Anthony. “She has a reputation of being more pro-prosecution than the previous judge. We have an expression: ‘The devil you know is much better than the devil you don’t.’ ”

“She’s a tougher judge than Lester — not that her sentences are harder, or that she treats defendants with ill will, but she doesn’t let attorneys fall asleep at the wheel,” Calderon said. “If you need more time, you better have a good reason.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/31/2978359/george-zimmerman-gets-new-judge.html

 

[SacramentoBob]

Only Zimmerman's DNA found on gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-new-documents-tests-show-only-zimmermans-dna-on-grip-of-gun-used-to-kill-trayvon-martin/2012/09/19/96fcb7ec-0269-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

 

[kentric]

Only Zimmerman's DNA found on gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-new-documents-tests-show-only-zimmermans-dna-on-grip-of-gun-used-to-kill-trayvon-martin/2012/09/19/96fcb7ec-0269-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

You have to dig through the whole article until you get to the meat of the story:Other documents released by prosecutors Wednesday include an interview with the clerk of a convenience store where Martin purchased Skittles and a can of iced tea moments before his confrontation with Zimmerman. The clerk said in the interview, more than a month after Martin was shot, that he didn’t remember Martin.

“To be honest, I don’t even remember that day,” said the clerk, whose name was redacted from the audio interview.

Now this is reporting at its best. I'm so glad it didn't slip through the cracks. I smell Pulitzer here.

ETA: I was a little quick on the Pulitzer comment. He needs to do a bit more investigative work and find the name of the clerk first. This may blow the case wide open.

 

[Psychopav]

Only Zimmerman's DNA found on gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-new-documents-tests-show-only-zimmermans-dna-on-grip-of-gun-used-to-kill-trayvon-martin/2012/09/19/96fcb7ec-0269-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

You have to dig through the whole article until you get to the meat of the story:Other documents released by prosecutors Wednesday include an interview with the clerk of a convenience store where Martin purchased Skittles and a can of iced tea moments before his confrontation with Zimmerman. The clerk said in the interview, more than a month after Martin was shot, that he didn’t remember Martin.

“To be honest, I don’t even remember that day,” said the clerk, whose name was redacted from the audio interview.

Now this is reporting at its best. I'm so glad it didn't slip through the cracks. I smell Pulitzer here.

ETA: I was a little quick on the Pulitzer comment. He needs to do a bit more investigative work and find the name of the clerk first. This may blow the case wide open.

Why is this news?

 

[kentric]

Only Zimmerman's DNA found on gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-new-documents-tests-show-only-zimmermans-dna-on-grip-of-gun-used-to-kill-trayvon-martin/2012/09/19/96fcb7ec-0269-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

You have to dig through the whole article until you get to the meat of the story:Other documents released by prosecutors Wednesday include an interview with the clerk of a convenience store where Martin purchased Skittles and a can of iced tea moments before his confrontation with Zimmerman. The clerk said in the interview, more than a month after Martin was shot, that he didn’t remember Martin.

“To be honest, I don’t even remember that day,” said the clerk, whose name was redacted from the audio interview.

Now this is reporting at its best. I'm so glad it didn't slip through the cracks. I smell Pulitzer here.

ETA: I was a little quick on the Pulitzer comment. He needs to do a bit more investigative work and find the name of the clerk first. This may blow the case wide open.

Why is this news?

I asked the same thing when I read it earlier today. How did this piece of inncuous waste of space ever get past the editor. It has not bearing on the case whatsoever. Not even human interest really. Total trash.

 

[fatness]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

But nobody PROVED the nose was actually broken and it wasn't raining ICE CUBES.

The doctor who examined the nose said it was broken.. That's all the "proof" they need..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

But nobody PROVED the nose was actually broken and it wasn't raining ICE CUBES.

The doctor who examined the nose said it was broken.. That's all the "proof" they need..

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

 

[SacramentoBob]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

But nobody PROVED the nose was actually broken and it wasn't raining ICE CUBES.

The doctor who examined the nose said it was broken.. That's all the "proof" they need..

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

A doctors report = hearsay?.. okay.. lmaoIn order to dispute the claim you have to have a second and conflicting doctors examination, which you do not have. The first and only doctors exam will hold up in court.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

Why? Trayvon's DNA doesn't have to be on the gun for him to be in fear of great bodily harm..

 

[TxBuckeye]

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

From WebMD:

In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head and neck.

The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose, often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat painful.

Depending on the injuries, the doctor may perform a thorough exam.

Doctors do not recommend x-ray films and blood work routinely because these tests do not alter the course of treatment.

 

[fatness]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

I don't know what his lawyer's strategy will be, but it'll likely begin with press releases to get some more money coming in. Seems like the early show of financial support for Zimmerman has slowed considerably, and a lawyer can't pay his bills with message board posts.

 

[SacramentoBob]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

If he got paid for every post CH made, he'd be set for life.I don't know what his lawyer's strategy will be, but it'll likely begin with press releases to get some more money coming in. Seems like the early show of financial support for Zimmerman has slowed considerably, and a lawyer can't pay his bills with message board posts.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

From WebMD:

In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head and neck.

The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose, often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat painful.

Depending on the injuries, the doctor may perform a thorough exam.

Doctors do not recommend x-ray films and blood work routinely because these tests do not alter the course of treatment.

the guy just murdered another person the night before,im guessing any and all evidence to help his self defense claim would be in order.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

But nobody PROVED the nose was actually broken and it wasn't raining ICE CUBES.

The doctor who examined the nose said it was broken.. That's all the "proof" they need..

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

A doctors report = hearsay?.. okay.. lmaoIn order to dispute the claim you have to have a second and conflicting doctors examination, which you do not have. The first and only doctors exam will hold up in court.

his ''family'' doctor who he only went to because he needed a doctors note for work lol

 

[BustedKnuckles]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

Why? Trayvon's DNA doesn't have to be on the gun for him to be in fear of great bodily harm..

it should if you are going to claim there was a fight for the gun

 

[jon_mx]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

I don't know what his lawyer's strategy will be, but it'll likely begin with press releases to get some more money coming in. Seems like the early show of financial support for Zimmerman has slowed considerably, and a lawyer can't pay his bills with message board posts.

The strategy is pretty simply. No plea deal. The self- defense law is on the side of the defendant and there is absolutely no evidence which shows it was anything other than self-defense.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

Why? Trayvon's DNA doesn't have to be on the gun for him to be in fear of great bodily harm..

it should if you are going to claim there was a fight for the gun

link to Zimmerman making that claim?As far as I know, the claim was only that he reached for it..

Nice straw-man though..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

State evidence released today in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case shows new details from a state crime lab that found Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon Martin, the teenager he shot to death, and Trayvon's DNA on him.

But the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon that night – a gun that Zimmerman told police the teenager had reached for - revealed no evidence that Trayvon touched it.

State scientists checked several parts of the 9 mm handgun: its grip, trigger, slide and holster. They found Zimmerman's DNA and that belonging to other unidentifiable people but none that matched Trayvon, records show.

Orlando Sentinel

Is it too late for him to take a plea deal or is he all in?

I don't know what his lawyer's strategy will be, but it'll likely begin with press releases to get some more money coming in. Seems like the early show of financial support for Zimmerman has slowed considerably, and a lawyer can't pay his bills with message board posts.

The strategy is pretty simply. No plea deal. The self- defense law is on the side of the defendant and there is absolutely no evidence which shows it was anything other than self-defense.

this^

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Self defense does not rely on injuries you have, it relies on what injuries a reasonable person might believe that were going to occur. Under bk and ms logic one would have to be nearly dead before one could legally defend oneself. Thank God that is not the case. IMHO, Martin was in the process of beating the crap out of Zimmerman and there is no reason to believe he was going to stop before much more serious injuries occurred. End of discussion, case dismissed. It is a ####### joke this case is in court based on the facts. A ####### political circus driven by race-baiters and white guilt.

But nobody PROVED the nose was actually broken and it wasn't raining ICE CUBES.

The doctor who examined the nose said it was broken.. That's all the "proof" they need..

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

A doctors report = hearsay?.. okay.. lmaoIn order to dispute the claim you have to have a second and conflicting doctors examination, which you do not have. The first and only doctors exam will hold up in court.

his ''family'' doctor who he only went to because he needed a doctors note for work lol

A doctors exam is a doctors exam.. The doctor examined the nose and said it was broken.. That is all the proof they need.. And much better than any proof you can provide to contest the broken nose..And it doesn't even matter if it was broken, you going to suggest that Trayvon did not strike Zimmerman? Because that's all that counts here..If Zimmerman was being struck by Trayvon, that goes a long way to justify fear.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

if you mean ''they'' as in the pro zimms you are correct...im sure there are plenty of people who would dispute that claim. Some people like to see x-rays and stuff like that, not just hearsay

From WebMD:

In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head and neck.

The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose, often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat painful.

Depending on the injuries, the doctor may perform a thorough exam.

Doctors do not recommend x-ray films and blood work routinely because these tests do not alter the course of treatment.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

http://www.examiner.com/article/99-56-of-guns-used-as-intended

 

[SacramentoBob]

http://www.examiner.com/article/99-56-of-guns-used-as-intended

I would hope they aren't using them as meat tenderizers.

 

[identikit]

Z suing NBC

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A new book written by George Zimmerman’s best friend offers a sharply different account of the night Trayvon Martin died.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/20/3012853_p2/zimmermans-friend-trayvon-grabbed.html

“He has done George no favors by writing this book,” said attorney Natalie Jackson, who represented Trayvon’s parents in their mission to get police to make an arrest. “This book is huge. It hurts George a lot.”

Although second-hand quotes are generally inadmissible in court, Jackson said this is a type of citation that would be exempt from the hearsay rule.

“The state would be precluded from directly using any excerpts from the book, as the words on the pages are hearsay, but the Ostermans could be subpoenaed to testify against him to his detriment if Zimmerman embellished, added or changed facts in the version he gave to them,” said Miami Beach criminal-defense attorney Michael Grieco, who has been following the case. “Any inconsistencies amongst the numerous statements Zimmerman has given will be used against him and his credibility.

“Zimmerman’s credibility is the key to his affirmative defense.”

 

[timschochet]

It's happened again:

http://www.news.com.au/world/teen-shot-dead-after-loud-music-row/story-fndir2ev-1226525359103

And this guy's lawyer says he will use the "Stand Your Ground" defense. The lawyer says the killer thought he saw a gun in the car, felt threatened, and that's why he fired his own weapon.

 

[SacramentoBob]

It's happened again:

http://www.news.com.au/world/teen-shot-dead-after-loud-music-row/story-fndir2ev-1226525359103

And this guy's lawyer says he will use the "Stand Your Ground" defense. The lawyer says the killer thought he saw a gun in the car, felt threatened, and that's why he fired his own weapon.

Looks like Zimmerman will have company on death row.

 

[fatness]

It's happened again:

http://www.news.com.au/world/teen-shot-dead-after-loud-music-row/story-fndir2ev-1226525359103

And this guy's lawyer says he will use the "Stand Your Ground" defense. The lawyer says the killer thought he saw a gun in the car, felt threatened, and that's why he fired his own weapon.

Time to rev up the Real American Hero Money Donation Machine again.

 

[maxwelledison]

JHC on a popsicle stick. This is terrible.

 

[jon_mx]

It's happened again:

http://www.news.com.au/world/teen-shot-dead-after-loud-music-row/story-fndir2ev-1226525359103

And this guy's lawyer says he will use the "Stand Your Ground" defense. The lawyer says the killer thought he saw a gun in the car, felt threatened, and that's why he fired his own weapon.

Not even close to the same situation. One case where a guy is beat the crap out of someone and another where someone sees something which is not there. Just because they are using the same defense does not mean their cases are even remotely similar.