Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[Mr Two Cents]

Bet she has an Obama phone.

Out of curiosity when they find him not guilty what are the "blacks" suppose to do, riot in Miami and El Paso. Burn down and loot every Del Taco, Taco Bell and Casa Ole in sight?

What exactly is their retribution on the Hispanic population. Maybe oppose the immigration bill?

 

[drummer]

Bet she has an Obama phone.

Out of curiosity when they find him not guilty what are the "blacks" suppose to do, riot in Miami and El Paso. Burn down and loot every Del Taco, Taco Bell and Casa Ole in sight?

What exactly is their retribution on the Hispanic population. Maybe oppose the immigration bill?

Racist

 

[Mr Two Cents]

This "lady" was an exact replica of a stereotype. Five white women on the jury. I thought she was a freaking defense witness.

Five white women on the jury, 3 gun owners and one with a carry license.

"If the glove don't fit you must acquit".

Only one needed with "reasonable doubt", I think they are already there before the defense even puts on its case.

 

[timschochet]

Bet she has an Obama phone.

Out of curiosity when they find him not guilty what are the "blacks" suppose to do, riot in Miami and El Paso. Burn down and loot every Del Taco, Taco Bell and Casa Ole in sight?

What exactly is their retribution on the Hispanic population. Maybe oppose the immigration bill?

You might want to talk to guy named ducktales. You guys have a lot in common. And after today, depending on where you live, you guys could get married if things work out.

 

[timschochet]

This "lady" was an exact replica of a stereotype..

What stereotype?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Trayvon saying "get off" doesn't mean Zimmerman was on top of him literally. He could have just had his hands on him and that started the scuffle.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Bet she has an Obama phone.

Out of curiosity when they find him not guilty what are the "blacks" suppose to do, riot in Miami and El Paso. Burn down and loot every Del Taco, Taco Bell and Casa Ole in sight?

What exactly is their retribution on the Hispanic population. Maybe oppose the immigration bill?

You might want to talk to guy named ducktales. You guys have a lot in common. And after today, depending on where you live, you guys could get married if things work out.

It is just totally sad that people like this actually have a say in who is the president of the United States. She and millions like her are the reason we are in decline.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Wait, the jury is really all white women and most gun owners? Wtf?

 

[Mr Two Cents]

This "lady" was an exact replica of a stereotype..

What stereotype?

You are the other part of what it wrong with this country.

 

[dozer]

This "lady" was an exact replica of a stereotype..

What stereotype?

You are the other part of what it wrong with this country.

Maybe you could move to equador? Need help packing?

 

[Gawain]

This "lady" was an exact replica of a stereotype..

What stereotype?

You are the other part of what it wrong with this country.

Jews and blacks are what's wrong with the country?

Did I end up at stormfront?

ETA-This is sarcasm. I really know that it's illegal immigrants and Muslims bringing the USA down.

 

[Christo]

Considering who she is (uneducated, unsophisticated, young, not well spoken) I think she is doing about as well as the prosecution could ask for. She's not the ideal person to have as the last contact with the victim, but I think she's authentic. Bias will be assumed, but I don't know that the jury will just disregard what she's said.

Sure she is biased, not sure why this stuff makes her uncredible.

She admitted on the stand that she has lied under oath several times..

When was she under oath? They impeached her with depositions? I missed that part.

Today she testified that it was Martin yelling get off of me. In her deposition she confirmed prior statements she made to the Martins' attorney that were reported in the press that it "could have been" Martin. They used the deposition transcript to impeach today's testimony.

So on re-direct you confirm that she said "could have been" and ask her whether her opinion today is that yes it could have been and in fact was. Her previous statement was towards the affirmative. It's not like she said it was not or could not have been.In the deposition, did she just confirm what she said in the recorded interview, which she's said was answered rushed, or was this a new statement?

Was the deposition question "what did you say during the recorded interview?" Or "what did you hear that night?"?

I didn't memorize what was said. And neither did the jurors. But they now know that at one point she told someone she wasn't sure. That she later confirmed those statements under oath. But now she's claiming to be sure.

It's still affirmative though. I guess we will see how the jury interprets it.

She changed her testimony. That hurts her credibility--on all of her testimony. This isn't TV. There aren't witness stand confessions or recantations. But it's little discrepancies like these that defense attorneys use to get from guilty to not guilty when the burden on the state is to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Christo]

Trayvon saying "get off" doesn't mean Zimmerman was on top of him literally. He could have just had his hands on him and that started the scuffle.

Right.

 

[Nikki2200]

They are subtitling her on HLN now so I can finally find out what she said.

 

[Slapdash]

Mr two cents should keep them instead of giving them

 

[Gawain]

Trayvon saying "get off" doesn't mean Zimmerman was on top of him literally. He could have just had his hands on him and that started the scuffle.

Right.

Or Didi could have been right that Zimmerman was looking for a little man-on-man loving and Martin was encouraging him to finish.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Considering who she is (uneducated, unsophisticated, young, not well spoken) I think she is doing about as well as the prosecution could ask for. She's not the ideal person to have as the last contact with the victim, but I think she's authentic. Bias will be assumed, but I don't know that the jury will just disregard what she's said.

Sure she is biased, not sure why this stuff makes her uncredible.

She admitted on the stand that she has lied under oath several times..

When was she under oath? They impeached her with depositions? I missed that part.

Today she testified that it was Martin yelling get off of me. In her deposition she confirmed prior statements she made to the Martins' attorney that were reported in the press that it "could have been" Martin. They used the deposition transcript to impeach today's testimony.

So on re-direct you confirm that she said "could have been" and ask her whether her opinion today is that yes it could have been and in fact was. Her previous statement was towards the affirmative. It's not like she said it was not or could not have been.In the deposition, did she just confirm what she said in the recorded interview, which she's said was answered rushed, or was this a new statement?

Was the deposition question "what did you say during the recorded interview?" Or "what did you hear that night?"?

I didn't memorize what was said. And neither did the jurors. But they now know that at one point she told someone she wasn't sure. That she later confirmed those statements under oath. But now she's claiming to be sure.

It's still affirmative though. I guess we will see how the jury interprets it.

She changed her testimony. That hurts her credibility--on all of her testimony. This isn't TV. There aren't witness stand confessions or recantations. But it's little discrepancies like these that defense attorneys use to get from guilty to not guilty when the burden on the state is to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Right, but I don't think it hurts that much given the context and other testimony and may be clarified on re-direct.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Who can explain what DiDi is saying here at 17:27, specifically what this is referring to? Him = Trayvon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6xLN1zEbUOQ#t=1025s

I did hear like some sounds of background where people could help him

 

[Christo]

Considering who she is (uneducated, unsophisticated, young, not well spoken) I think she is doing about as well as the prosecution could ask for. She's not the ideal person to have as the last contact with the victim, but I think she's authentic. Bias will be assumed, but I don't know that the jury will just disregard what she's said.

Sure she is biased, not sure why this stuff makes her uncredible.

She admitted on the stand that she has lied under oath several times..

When was she under oath? They impeached her with depositions? I missed that part.

Today she testified that it was Martin yelling get off of me. In her deposition she confirmed prior statements she made to the Martins' attorney that were reported in the press that it "could have been" Martin. They used the deposition transcript to impeach today's testimony.

So on re-direct you confirm that she said "could have been" and ask her whether her opinion today is that yes it could have been and in fact was. Her previous statement was towards the affirmative. It's not like she said it was not or could not have been.In the deposition, did she just confirm what she said in the recorded interview, which she's said was answered rushed, or was this a new statement?

Was the deposition question "what did you say during the recorded interview?" Or "what did you hear that night?"?

I didn't memorize what was said. And neither did the jurors. But they now know that at one point she told someone she wasn't sure. That she later confirmed those statements under oath. But now she's claiming to be sure.

It's still affirmative though. I guess we will see how the jury interprets it.

She changed her testimony. That hurts her credibility--on all of her testimony. This isn't TV. There aren't witness stand confessions or recantations. But it's little discrepancies like these that defense attorneys use to get from guilty to not guilty when the burden on the state is to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Right, but I don't think it hurts that much given the context and other testimony and may be clarified on re-direct.

How do you clarify conflicting testimony?

 

[Gawain]

Her clarification so far has been pretty lousy.

"I didn't wanna do it." "Let me outta the closet."

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

When you said it could have been trayvon, did you believe it to be him at that time?

When you said ... During the deposition what were you referring to; your opinion or your interview answer?

When you said ... What did you mean?

 

[Fennis]

Who can explain what DiDi is saying here at 17:27, specifically what this is referring to? Him = Trayvon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6xLN1zEbUOQ#t=1025s

I did hear like some sounds of background where people could help him

She knew Trayvon's father was home, and she heard background noise that sounded like Trayvons father (or someone) was helping Trayvon.

 

[Gawain]

Who can explain what DiDi is saying here at 17:27, specifically what this is referring to? Him = Trayvon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6xLN1zEbUOQ#t=1025s

I did hear like some sounds of background where people could help him

She knew Trayvon's father was home, and she heard background noise that sounded like Trayvons father (or someone) was helping Trayvon.

Trayvon's father wasn't home.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Who can explain what DiDi is saying here at 17:27, specifically what this is referring to? Him = Trayvon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6xLN1zEbUOQ#t=1025s

I did hear like some sounds of background where people could help him

She knew Trayvon's father was home, and she heard background noise that sounded like Trayvons father (or someone) was helping Trayvon.

Trayvon's father wasn't home.

bingoThey were talking about the fight when she brought this up

 

[Christo]

When you said it could have been trayvon, did you believe it to be him at that time?

When you said ... During the deposition what were you referring to; your opinion or your interview answer?

When you said ... What did you mean?

Ah, the 'old "when you said one thing did you mean another?" gambit. Yeah, well. If that's all you've got, that's all you've got.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Trayvon saying "get off" doesn't mean Zimmerman was on top of him literally. He could have just had his hands on him and that started the scuffle.

Right.

Or Didi could have been right that Zimmerman was looking for a little man-on-man loving and Martin was encouraging him to finish.

 

[Joe McGee]

How is Zimmerman supposed to a look and act during the trial? It's driving me nuts watching him sit there stone-faced and emotionless.

 

[avoiding injuries]

How is Zimmerman supposed to a look and act during the trial? It's driving me nuts watching him sit there stone-faced and emotionless.

Better like that than how Hernandez looked today.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

When you said it could have been trayvon, did you believe it to be him at that time?

When you said ... During the deposition what were you referring to; your opinion or your interview answer?

When you said ... What did you mean?

Ah, the 'old "when you said one thing did you mean another?" gambit. Yeah, well. If that's all you've got, that's all you've got.

I just don't think the statements are totally mutually exclusive so I'd attempt to let her clarify. What would you do if that's your witness? Ignore it so as not to draw further attention to the discrepancy? I guess it depends on how she fairs tomorrow as well.

 

[Christo]

When you said it could have been trayvon, did you believe it to be him at that time?

When you said ... During the deposition what were you referring to; your opinion or your interview answer?

When you said ... What did you mean?

Ah, the 'old "when you said one thing did you mean another?" gambit. Yeah, well. If that's all you've got, that's all you've got.

I just don't think the statements are totally mutually exclusive so I'd attempt to let her clarify. What would you do if that's your witness? Ignore it so as not to draw further attention to the discrepancy? I guess it depends on how she fairs tomorrow as well.

Unless something worse happens tomorrow, I think that's exactly what I'd do. Deal with it in closing.

 

[Joe McGee]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

 

[CurlyNight]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Probably because TM is dead. Also all of us have one time or another have said things that could be considered a slur or inappropriate against a group of people if only innocently with no harm intended. TM was 17 talking to his friend on the phone which was a private convo at that time. Zman was describing and had described black suspicious people to the police with racial slurs. To me that's the difference.

 

[Gawain]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Probably because TM is dead. Also all of us have one time or another have said things that could be considered a slur or inappropriate against a group of people if only innocently with no harm intended. TM was 17 talking to his friend on the phone which was a private convo at that time. Zman was describing and had described black suspicious people to the police with racial slurs. To me that's the difference.

Link?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Maybe Tim's 'I once had dinner with a black guy' insight can shed some light on this question.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Probably because TM is dead. Also all of us have one time or another have said things that could be considered a slur or inappropriate against a group of people if only innocently with no harm intended. TM was 17 talking to his friend on the phone which was a private convo at that time. Zman was describing and had described black suspicious people to the police with racial slurs. To me that's the difference.

Link?

There will be no link, that didn't happen

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Probably because TM is dead. Also all of us have one time or another have said things that could be considered a slur or inappropriate against a group of people if only innocently with no harm intended. TM was 17 talking to his friend on the phone which was a private convo at that time. Zman was describing and had described black suspicious people to the police with racial slurs. To me that's the difference.

Link?

 

[Joe McGee]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Probably because TM is dead. Also all of us have one time or another have said things that could be considered a slur or inappropriate against a group of people if only innocently with no harm intended. TM was 17 talking to his friend on the phone which was a private convo at that time. Zman was describing and had described black suspicious people to the police with racial slurs. To me that's the difference.

So, you are ignoring Travyon's words right before the fight and you are claiming to read George Zimmerman's mind?!?

Maybe George Zimmerman used inappropriate words in the past with no harm intended.

This is the exact mind set I don't understand.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Zimmerman concluded that Martin was up to no good. What factors went into that conclusion are up for debate, but it has been speculated off and on that prosecution is going to try to show that at least some of this is based on Martin's appearance that night. That his clothing combined with his race made his actions suspicious when they wouldn't be otherwise. Martin met Zimmerman's profile of the punks that always got away.

Martin seems from today's testimony taken at face value to have become nervous and/or annoyed that some guy was following him. He didn't seem to conclude that Zimmerman was up to no good at least from Martin's perspective because of his appearance, but exclusively because he was following him. That would not be profiling.

I don't know how this could possibly have been difficult to grasp?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Zimmerman concluded that Martin was up to no good. What factors went into that conclusion are up for debate, but it has been speculated off and on that prosecution is going to try to show that at least some of this is based on Martin's appearance that night. That his clothing combined with his race made his actions suspicious when they wouldn't be otherwise. Martin met Zimmerman's profile of the punks that always got away.

Martin seems from today's testimony taken at face value to have become nervous and/or annoyed that some guy was following him. He didn't seem to conclude that Zimmerman was up to no good at least from Martin's perspective because of his appearance, but exclusively because he was following him. That would not be profiling.

I don't know how this could possibly have been difficult to grasp?

I think if it would have been a big tough black guy following him, he'd more likely have gone home then punch him in the nose.. Zimmerman pissed him off because he was a cracker hassling him and fit the profile of someone that may not be ready for an ### whipping (easy fight)..

 

[Todd Andrews]

Racists say what?

 

[Joe McGee]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Zimmerman concluded that Martin was up to no good. What factors went into that conclusion are up for debate, but it has been speculated off and on that prosecution is going to try to show that at least some of this is based on Martin's appearance that night. That his clothing combined with his race made his actions suspicious when they wouldn't be otherwise. Martin met Zimmerman's profile of the punks that always got away.

Martin seems from today's testimony taken at face value to have become nervous and/or annoyed that some guy was following him. He didn't seem to conclude that Zimmerman was up to no good at least from Martin's perspective because of his appearance, but exclusively because he was following him. That would not be profiling.

I don't know how this could possibly have been difficult to grasp?

You are making my point for me. So far in court the only person who has used racist remarks is Trayvon Martin. Calling someone a f-ing punk isn't racist. it describes 95% of the teenagers in the world.

Being nervous or annoyed with someone does not make it alright to call them a crazy a** cracker or the N-word. Which is my point - Travyon Martin used racist rhetoric the night he was killed and some seem to have no problem with it. I do.

I have no doubt Zimmerman pursued Trayvon and questioned him in a more aggressive manner than he is letting on. I am not speculating on Zimmerman's guilt or innocence.

I am saying that many have no problem with Trayvon Martin's racism while accusing George Zimmerman of the same thing and that doesn't make sense.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I am saying that many have no problem with Trayvon Martin's racism while accusing George Zimmerman of the same thing and that doesn't make sense.

There is one subtle, yet important difference. One is a minor and one is an adult.

 

[Joe McGee]

I am saying that many have no problem with Trayvon Martin's racism while accusing George Zimmerman of the same thing and that doesn't make sense.

There is one subtle, yet important difference. One is a minor and one is an adult.

I agree it is an important difference, and Trayvon is dead so sympathy for him is understandable. I'm sorry he's dead and I'm even more sorry for his parents. However, it still doesn't absolve Martin here. It sounds like both of them helped escalate the situation.

I've never, ever heard of a white racist being given the benefit of the doubt because he or she is a teenager by the way.

The testimony is all over the place in this trial. I have no idea how it will turn out.

 

[timschochet]

I find it interesting that Travyon could use racial slurs like cracker and ni**er and no one really seems to have a problem with him being racist and profiling Zimmerman. Yet these same people seem to think that if Zimmerman ever uttered one racial slur in his life, he profiled and murdered Travyon. Something doesn't add up.

Maybe Tim's 'I once had dinner with a black guy' insight can shed some light on this question.

No thanks. I certainly have an opinion on this, and I can guess it's one you won't agree with. But I promised.

 

[jon_mx]

If i was asking questions today, I would focus on her lies again.....Saying something like this: "You admitted lying about your age and lying about you why you did not attend the funneral. Would you say you lied because of social pressure? If so, then aren't you now under a lot of social pressure to put Zimmerman away with your testimony?"

 

[jamny]

Finally got to watch Rachel Jeantel's testimony. Lots of overreaction in this thread about the way she speaks. I expected it to be way more over the top judging by what people were saying.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I am saying that many have no problem with Trayvon Martin's racism while accusing George Zimmerman of the same thing and that doesn't make sense.

There is one subtle, yet important difference. One is a minor and one is an adult.

So we should blame his racist father for his upbringing, the same guy that said mother####er to the guy wearing the Zimmerman badge?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Finally got to watch Rachel Jeantel's testimony. Lots of overreaction in this thread about the way she speaks. I expected it to be way more over the top judging by what people were saying.

She reminds me so much of the girl in the movie ''precious'' , Gabourey Sidibe

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

If i was asking questions today, I would focus on her lies again.....Saying something like this: "You admitted lying about your age and lying about you why you did not attend the funneral. Would you say you lied because of social pressure? If so, then aren't you now under a lot of social pressure to put Zimmerman away with your testimony?"

I expect a few more lies to come out today. She lied yesterday about not knowing she would be on T.V., they have her facebook and twitter dated posts of her bragging about being on T.V. BEFORE it aired.You also have that statement she made yesterday about hearing people in the background that can help Martin (when they are talking about the fight), if she wasns't lying about that then DiDi has some 'splainin to do.

 

[HERBERT THE HIPPO]

Not following the story as close as others. Is she really the prosections "star" witness as I see her being labeled on some news outlets?