Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[glock]

The article is ultimately wrong. Yes, there is certainly exploitation going on. But this story IS at heart a racial one, and attempts to deny it are absurd IMO. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was white. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that if Zimmerman was black, he'd be behind bars right now. Maybe he'd be able to use the Stand Your Ground defense at at trial, but right now he'd be in jail waiting for that trial.

Blacks are rightfully outraged about this case because in general, the police in our nation do not treat black people well, and there is a double standard. Until everyone, including conservatives, realize this and try to do something to change it, stories like this one will always spark a fire, as they should.

I think if this were some young white thug 17 year old, shot by a black neighborhood watch captian, with all the same evidence, story, and witnesses in place, the out come would have been the same.. I think you are wrong..

Say what?

Freudian slip there, Carolina?

If the 17 year old white kid was a thug, and the black guy was aknown neighborhood watch captian, I think the outcome would have been the same.

And if he like, wasn't a thug? You know- like Trayvon wasn't a thug?

He had tattoos. Obvious sign of thug life.

Or a hoopster.

 

[SacramentoBob]

You can cite statistics AND be racist.

 

[TexanFan02]

You can cite statistics AND be racist.

Well duh, that's what Clinton does in every thread.

 

[Christo]

I've been surprised at the different versions myself. Not very consistent to me, but perhaps you meant this for someone else?

Everyone who has insisted to me for the last few pages that there is only one story for Zimmerman.

Not true, but nice way to twist it.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

There is only one story saying that -- George Zimmerman's story. It is repeated a lot, that one story.

We were talking about his story that he was walking back to his truck. Not the one where he said Martin assaulted him from behind. Which contradicts the one where he said he and Martin spoke first. Zimmerman's got a lot of different stories.

What is wrong with you? We don't know Zimmerman's story!

 

[glock]

I've been surprised at the different versions myself. Not very consistent to me, but perhaps you meant this for someone else?

Everyone who has insisted to me for the last few pages that there is only one story for Zimmerman.

Not true, but nice way to twist it.

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

You mean Zimmerman's story?

And if the stories saying he was headed back to his truck and Martin approached him and spoke to him are right, it seems he complied with that requirement too.

There is only one story saying that -- George Zimmerman's story. It is repeated a lot, that one story.

We were talking about his story that he was walking back to his truck. Not the one where he said Martin assaulted him from behind. Which contradicts the one where he said he and Martin spoke first. Zimmerman's got a lot of different stories.

What is wrong with you? We don't know Zimmerman's story!

Can you change your avatar?

 

[timschochet]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

 

[Christo]

Why are people trying so hard to deny that this whole story centers on race?

Define "this whole story."

 

[timschochet]

Why are people trying so hard to deny that this whole story centers on race?

Define "this whole story."

No.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Yeah, we know, and it's why you're so often wrong in matters of race. And it's all based upon a single story, too.

 

[timschochet]

I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Yeah, we know, and it's why you're so often wrong in matters of race.

Just on matters of race? Has your opinion of me improved? I used to be wrong about EVERYTHING.

 

[timschochet]

And it's all based upon a single story, too.

Do you know any black people, Strike? If you do, I dare you to ask them about being harrassed by police.

 

[Christo]

What is wrong with you? We don't know Zimmerman's story!

Can you change your avatar?

Yes

 

[glock]

What is wrong with you? We don't know Zimmerman's story!

Can you change your avatar?

Yes

Tease.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Yeah, we know, and it's why you're so often wrong in matters of race. And it's all based upon a single story, too.

Can we hear this story again please? Really want to hear the newest version. TIA.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

People carry guns all over the united states..

Who said they didn't?

They come into, and go out of your life all of the time..

I've never had a stranger do this. I must be lucky. Either that or you have an incredibly disingenuous definition of "come into, and go out of"

You run into people at the gas station, grocery store, on the road, anywhere in public really, that carry guns all the time. Some you don't know are carrying, some you do. You may speak to them, or just stand in line with them. You may be tail gated by one.. Or you might cut one off.. For that brief moment, they are part of your life.. If you decided to take issue with something one of these people did or said, and that develops into a confrontation, then you'd be in a similar situation..

If you jump on one of those guys and start beating the #### out of him, you better believe he's going to use it..

I'd hope so.Now....what does ANY of this have to do with what I posted?

Zimmerman came into Trayvons life, No proof as of yet that he did anything against the law, or outside of "neighborhood watch guidelines".. There is a possibility that while Zimmerman may have been well within his rights to do what he was doing, that Trayvon took exception to it and decided to make it a physical altercation.

You could have simply said "yes" to using an incredibly disingenuous definition of "come into, and go out of" especially given the discussion.ETA: There are lots of ways this could have gone down. Coming up with a way then presenting it as fact (as if you know what happened) is foolish IMO. None of what you posted had anything to do with what I posted.

I think I've been very clean on numerous occasions, that I don't know how this happened. We will likely never know what really happened. I don't think I've posted this as fact, sorry if you took it that way.

 

[Christo]

What is wrong with you? We don't know Zimmerman's story!

Can you change your avatar?

Yes

Tease.

My GB bentley gave it to me. And I've grown fond of the little guy.

 

[jon_mx]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Tim, even you don't think Zimmerman could be convicted. Exactly what did the police do which was unfair? If things were reversed, I would be outraged if a black man was arrested in which there was virtually no chance of a conviction. The only reason to unjustly arrest Zimmerman is to appease the black community. I would respect this outrage a lot more if there was unfair treatment. IMHO, the authorities have bent over backwards to be fair to Treyvon.

 

[glock]

What is wrong with you? We don't know Zimmerman's story!

Can you change your avatar?

Yes

Tease.

My GB bentley gave it to me. And I've grown fond of the little guy.

How do you sleep at night?

 

[timschochet]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Tim, even you don't think Zimmerman could be convicted. Exactly what did they do the police did which was unfair. If things were reversed, I would be outraged if a black man was arrested in which there was virtually no chance of a conviction. The only reason to unjustly arrest Zimmerman is to appease the black community. I would respect this outrage a lot more if there was unfair treatment. IMHO, the authorities have bent over backwards to be fair to Treyvon.

1. Part of the reason I don't think Zimmerman will be convicted is that he hasn't been arrested. The police committed all kinds of gross errors which will help Zimmerman's case when it reaches trial. Had Zimmerman been black, I believe the police would have somehow been much more thorough in their initial investigation.2. The authorites can't be fair to Trayvon, because Trayvon is dead.

 

[jon_mx]

The echo of Martin's last words ring in my head. It rained that night. A drizzle. Not a downpour, just a Memphis, Tennessee drizzle. It seemed like he knew. It seemed like someone had let him know. His words that night would be his last. Th...e mountaintop. Not getting there with us. But, as a people, we would get there. Somehow we would get to the top of that mountain without Martin. He told us that, that night, his last night. And we believed him.I can't get the image out of my head of the bag of Skittles and the can of ice tea falling to the ground. It rained that night too. A drizzle. Not a downpour, just a Sanford, Florida drizzle. Damn, I wish he knew. I wish he knew that this would be his last. The game. His last game. Kobe. LeBron. D Wade. Just a quick walk to the store and back. Put the hoodie up 'cause of the drizzle. Pop. One Pop. Young Martin. Silent. I wish he knew 44 years later, we hadn't made it to the top of the mountain.

This was written by a girl, right?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Tim, even you don't think Zimmerman could be convicted. Exactly what did the police do which was unfair? If things were reversed, I would be outraged if a black man was arrested in which there was virtually no chance of a conviction. The only reason to unjustly arrest Zimmerman is to appease the black community. I would respect this outrage a lot more if there was unfair treatment. IMHO, the authorities have bent over backwards to be fair to Treyvon.

lets start with the fact that the cops never even tested zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. Yet they tested martin

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The article is ultimately wrong. Yes, there is certainly exploitation going on. But this story IS at heart a racial one, and attempts to deny it are absurd IMO. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Trayvon Martin would be alive today if he was white. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that if Zimmerman was black, he'd be behind bars right now. Maybe he'd be able to use the Stand Your Ground defense at at trial, but right now he'd be in jail waiting for that trial.

Blacks are rightfully outraged about this case because in general, the police in our nation do not treat black people well, and there is a double standard. Until everyone, including conservatives, realize this and try to do something to change it, stories like this one will always spark a fire, as they should.

I think if this were some young white thug 17 year old, shot by a black neighborhood watch captian, with all the same evidence, story, and witnesses in place, the out come would have been the same.. I think you are wrong..

Say what?

Freudian slip there, Carolina?

If the 17 year old white kid was a thug, and the black guy was aknown neighborhood watch captian, I think the outcome would have been the same.

And if he like, wasn't a thug? You know- like Trayvon wasn't a thug?

We weren't talking about trayvon.. The statment was made that if the races were reversed, things would have gone down differently.. I've given you an example where I believe things would have gone down the same.Also, I don't think you can say difinitively that Trayvon was not a thug.. Some people will say based on his twitter content/tittle, suspensions, drugs, etc, gold teeth..that he very well could have been a thug..

 

[timschochet]

Also, I don't think you can say difinitively that Trayvon was not a thug.. Some people will say based on his twitter content/tittle, suspensions, drugs, etc, gold teeth..that he very well could have been a thug..

This really sucks, man.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Also, I don't think you can say difinitively that Trayvon was not a thug.. Some people will say based on his twitter content/tittle, suspensions, drugs, etc, gold teeth..that he very well could have been a thug..

This really sucks, man.

Gold teeth is the same as armed robbery tim, everyone knows that.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Based on his twitter, I think Jim Irsay is probably a thug.

 

[jon_mx]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Tim, even you don't think Zimmerman could be convicted. Exactly what did the police do which was unfair? If things were reversed, I would be outraged if a black man was arrested in which there was virtually no chance of a conviction. The only reason to unjustly arrest Zimmerman is to appease the black community. I would respect this outrage a lot more if there was unfair treatment. IMHO, the authorities have bent over backwards to be fair to Treyvon.

lets start with the fact that the cops never even tested zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. Yet they tested martin

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

 

[timschochet]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

 

[Christo]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

 

[Clinton]

White people are more racist, this is indisputable.

Apparently not..

I know many ignore the mob attack posts I refenence and the hate crime statistics I site, but here's another indicartor of racism that doesn't involve physical violence...

Ninety-seven percent of the bus and train operators at the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority are black, with only six white women out of more than 3,000 drivers, according to Metro documents — a lack of diversity at one of the region’s largest employers that has led to an acknowledgment of failure in affirmative-action documents and spawned a series of lawsuits

The homogeneity, interviews with dozens of current and former Metro workers indicated, is a proxy to a clubby culture of favoritism in which merit has little to do with promotions, and accountability, such as noting safety violations, is a career death knell. In typical examples, court and Metro records show, a black man who spent eight years in prison for dealing PCP was promoted to a high-level management position soon after his release, and whites in the same positions as blacks with far less seniority are inexplicably paid less.

With Metro’s budget chronically strained and reports of mismanagement coming more regularly than trains, interviews and internal records depict a likely root: an environment in which hardworking employees are actively excluded and those who rise are those willing to do the bare minimum — never causing a stir by flagging rampant safety violations, reporting malfeasance or proposing improvements.

“When the accident happened in 2009, I called a supervisor and said, ‘Is this the one we all dreaded?’ The way workers do their jobs, we all knew it was a matter of time. … The inept get promoted, and the capable get buried. Smart people were put in the corner, ostracized and given nothing to do,” said Christine Townsend, who sued Metro for discrimination and won.

It is a culture in which a white male engineer near completion of a Ph.D. was passed over for a management position in favor of a black man who was barely literate, multiple staffers said.

FULL ARTICLE

 

[SacramentoBob]

Big fan of this new "Petulant Child" shtick.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Can they ask him to take one voluntarily?

 

[timschochet]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Then why did they perform a test on Martin?"Probable cause" is whatever the police says it is, when it comes to blacks. If Zimmerman had been black, of course he would have been tested. Whom are we kidding here?

 

[cstu]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

It should be mandatory that people who kill someone while claiming self-defense should be tested for drugs and alcohol.

 

[Christo]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Can they ask him to take one voluntarily?

They can ask him to voluntarily jump up and down on one foot while rubbing his belly and patting his head.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

It should be mandatory that people who kill someone while claiming self-defense should be tested for drugs and alcohol.

No it shouldn't. You never know when you may have to defend yourself. It's much different than driving. I step out of a bar a little drunk and get mugged by some thugs with hammers, who cares how much I had to drink when I start shooting to save my life?

 

[TexanFan02]

Big fan of this new "Petulant Child" shtick.

I thought about referring to him as "Overt Racist", but then I'd just be stooping to his level.

 

[Christo]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Then why did they perform a test on Martin?

Why not perform one on him?

"Probable cause" is whatever the police says it is, when it comes to blacks. If Zimmerman had been black, of course he would have been tested. Whom are we kidding here?

Go away. I have no interest in your race discussion.

 

[Christo]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

It should be mandatory that people who kill someone while claiming self-defense should be tested for drugs and alcohol.

Without probable cause there's no basis to perform one.

 

[jon_mx]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough?Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Then why did they perform a test on Martin?"Probable cause" is whatever the police says it is, when it comes to blacks. If Zimmerman had been black, of course he would have been tested. Whom are we kidding here?

He's dead Tim.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Tim, even you don't think Zimmerman could be convicted. Exactly what did they do the police did which was unfair. If things were reversed, I would be outraged if a black man was arrested in which there was virtually no chance of a conviction. The only reason to unjustly arrest Zimmerman is to appease the black community. I would respect this outrage a lot more if there was unfair treatment. IMHO, the authorities have bent over backwards to be fair to Treyvon.

1. Part of the reason I don't think Zimmerman will be convicted is that he hasn't been arrested. The police committed all kinds of gross errors which will help Zimmerman's case when it reaches trial. Had Zimmerman been black, I believe the police would have somehow been much more thorough in their initial investigation.2. The authorites can't be fair to Trayvon, because Trayvon is dead.

Maybe you could elaborate..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

There is not one shred of evidence which suggest that the police or DA acted unfairly against Treyvon by not arresting Zimmerman. You can be outraged by the law, but there is nothing here that shows any bias against blacks by the authorities. The outrage is misguided making issues that just ain't so.

But see, your statement is representative of the whole disagreement between us, jon. You, and all the others that agree with you, begin with the premise of an even playing field, in which the rules are equal for all, and then demand that I present to you evidence that in the case of Zimmerman the police acted in an unfair manner. I begin with a premise which is the opposite of yours. I hold that the playing field is unfair, that the police act unfairly towards African-Americans as a matter of course, and that it is up to YOU to provide evidence that they haven't done so in this particular case. Again, any reasonable study of police behavior tells you that in this situation, if Zimmerman were black he would be in jail right now.

Tim, even you don't think Zimmerman could be convicted. Exactly what did the police do which was unfair? If things were reversed, I would be outraged if a black man was arrested in which there was virtually no chance of a conviction. The only reason to unjustly arrest Zimmerman is to appease the black community. I would respect this outrage a lot more if there was unfair treatment. IMHO, the authorities have bent over backwards to be fair to Treyvon.

lets start with the fact that the cops never even tested zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. Yet they tested martin

You think Zimmerman was drunk or high?

 

[timschochet]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Then why did they perform a test on Martin?

Why not perform one on him?

"Probable cause" is whatever the police says it is, when it comes to blacks. If Zimmerman had been black, of course he would have been tested. Whom are we kidding here?

Go away. I have no interest in your race discussion.

I'm not going anywhere. You can go if you want. Race is about the only pertinent issue in this thread. I'm not interested in your legalese discussion which has no bearing whatsoever to what really happened in this case.

 

[jon_mx]

The legalese discussion shows there was no unfair treatment because of race.

 

[Clinton]

Go away. I have no interest in your race discussion.

I'm not going anywhere. You can go if you want. Race is about the only pertinent issue in this thread. I'm not interested in your legalese discussion which has no bearing whatsoever to what really happened in this case.

Good. Stand your ground. You get a lot of ####, undeservedly so, but your opinion is as valuable as anyone else's.

 

[jon_mx]

Go away. I have no interest in your race discussion.

I'm not going anywhere. You can go if you want. Race is about the only pertinent issue in this thread. I'm not interested in your legalese discussion which has no bearing whatsoever to what really happened in this case.

Good. Stand your ground. You get a lot of ####, undeservedly so, but your opinion is as valuable as anyone else's.

Good posting.....except Tim deserves a lot of it.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Based on his twitter, I think Jim Irsay is probably a thug.

Did Jim take a swing at his bus driver? I would have thought he'd take a cab if he wasn't diving himself..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Big fan of this new "Petulant Child" shtick.

I thought about referring to him as "Overt Racist", but then I'd just be stooping stepping up to his level.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

It should be mandatory that people who kill someone while claiming self-defense should be tested for drugs and alcohol.

No it shouldn't. You never know when you may have to defend yourself. It's much different than driving. I step out of a bar a little drunk and get mugged by some thugs with hammers, who cares how much I had to drink when I start shooting to save my life?

Around here, you can't have a gun in a place that serves alcohol.. I think you're going to have to take the hammer beating.. Sorry..

 

[timschochet]

Go away. I have no interest in your race discussion.

I'm not going anywhere. You can go if you want. Race is about the only pertinent issue in this thread. I'm not interested in your legalese discussion which has no bearing whatsoever to what really happened in this case.

Good. Stand your ground. You get a lot of ####, undeservedly so, but your opinion is as valuable as anyone else's.

Good posting.....except Tim deserves a lot of it.

It really doesn't matter whether I deserve it or not. Nobody's harming me here no matter what they write. It's a discussion board on the internet. If people want to insult me, go right ahead. It doesn't bother me in the least.And I also disagree with Clinton: not all opinions are of equal value. Christo's opinion on legal issues is going to be more valuable than mine. If discussion of this case were limited to legal issues, then I would defer to Christo every time and I would hope anyone who is not also an attorney would do the same. But this issue is not just about the law, however much Christo (and some others) want to believe. It is also very much about race and our society. And while I don't consider myself an expert on either, I certainly feel knowledgeable enough to comment on those, and I will continue to do so as the mood strikes me.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Need probable cause to test Zimmerman. What else you got?

How about the fact that he just shot an unarmed man to death? Is that enough? Can't believe some of these comments.

In order to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman the police needed probable cause to believe Zimmerman was on drugs or drunk. So no, the fact that Zimmerman had just shot an unarmed man to death is not, in and of itself, probable cause to perform a drug/alcohol test on Zimmerman.

Then why did they perform a test on Martin?"Probable cause" is whatever the police says it is, when it comes to blacks. If Zimmerman had been black, of course he would have been tested. Whom are we kidding here?

Someone please tell me that this is schtick..Does Tim really think this way?