Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[mad sweeney]

I didn't say the judge rebuked him for how he used his funds. I said the judge rebuked him for his part in deceiving the court about his finances. The paying off of his credit cards is a separate incident from he and his wife deceiving the court about their finances. Try reading the sentence I bolded above. It contains the entire thought about why the judge rebuked him. You can tell that this is why the judge rebuked him because it comes after the word "for". Here, I've highlighted that part in blue to make it easier for you to follow. You probably just skimmed through it though and read what you wanted to read so you could show us all how non-smart you are. Next time I'll try to spell it out even clearer for you.

ABTW, any update on how his kids are doing? Or are you going to ignore that part?

You said:[/B]

"I'm just listing a number of things that go negatively towards Zimmerman's character."

One of the things you pointed out was:

"used defense funds for non-defense purposes in doing so"

You have been waiving this flag for some time now. But you seem to be the only person that thinks Zimmerman's use of the money is an issue. He still has 20k in his possession. Show me why this shows "negatively towards Zimmerman's character"...

You have still failed to make your case.. But I doubt you'll stop trying to change the subject to Zimmerman's wife lying to the court, or whether Zimmerman has children..

But.. But.. But.. Zimmerman paid off his sam's club card!!

CH - you had brought up Zimmermans child in your post up above (that is what MS is referring to).

I specifically asked him Zimmerman using donated money to pay living expenses shows poor character. The child isn't even the case or the subject.. It was mentioned.. Sweeney is deflecting the question..How does using these monies to pay living expenses show poor character.. Simple question, he'll do anything he can to avoid answering it, yet he's made the claim.. Above he even tried tying in the judges decision to revoke the bond.. He's been bringing up the credit cards for weeks...

Dude, you are completely deluded. The judge sentence was a separate sentence! It contained all the info in it for the point that sentence made. Go back and re-read the post. It's very clear to everyone but you and kids under 3rd grade what I was saying. You brought up him having a kid as a defense for how he's used his defense money and now you try to slough it off while telling me I haven't backed up my claims. Talk about dense.

I've repeatedly said why he shouldn't be using the money to get out of debt, but for his defense. Of course, this brings us back to where you said he had a kid to take care of. But you won't address that at all except to deflect (while telling me I'm deflecting, despite me answering you several times).

You keep deflecting.. You know either you were trying to tie them together, or your grammar was off... Move on..

An electric bill due is debt.. Credit card used to by groceries for a week would be debt as well.. Also would be living expenses..

With or without a child, How does paying living expenses show poor character?

I'm not going to answer that until you deal with the child bit that you brought up. Admit that you tried to build a strawchild out of it, that you were wrong, got called out on it and now are trying to gloss over it. I'll add deflecting to your list of words you like to use but don't understand. I've answered clearly every time you asked me about that sentence, that's actually the opposite of deflecting.

That question was asked before a child was brought up..The straw man was the great character flaw that has people paying off living expenses..

Where did I say it was a great flaw? And you still won't own up to being an idiot and using them having a child as a defense against their spending? You are a true specimen of lack of self-awareness or responsibility.

 

[mad sweeney]

You are a true treat. You refuse to admit that you misread a sentence and then, as is your habit, you try to turn that around to me harping on it. It's been going on for awhile because you can't read and keep digging the hole deeper by refusing to do so. Seriously, look at this sentence and tell me how it says what you're saying it says.

He was rebuked by the judge, and his own lawyer even admitted he did it and was wrong for doing so,for allowing his wife's lies about their finances to go uncorrected.

He was rebuked by the judge and then his lawyer even admitted he was wrong for doing so? For doing so what? Zimmerman was wrong for being rebuked by the judge?..Just admit your grammar was off and move on.. Or don't.. But don't try to act like you were right.. lol

For what I bolded (that you left out). Here, I'll present it again:He was rebuked by the judge, and his own lawyer even admitted he did it and was wrong for doing so,for allowing his wife's lies about their finances to go uncorrected.

I already admitted that I could've made it clearer, but the sentence still contains all the info needed to get it right but you insist on continuing to dig deeper and deeper, not just on this but in not admitting that you set up a giant child size strawman in claiming that he needed to take care of his child with that defense money. It's almost worse than talking to Christo (though it is far more fun).

edited for effects, that still aren't right but the blue part (as well as the giant bolded part you quoted) is the drop dead, balls on accurate answer to what you seem to not be able to grasp.

 

[jamny]

I see this thread is still going well.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I didn't say the judge rebuked him for how he used his funds. I said the judge rebuked him for his part in deceiving the court about his finances. The paying off of his credit cards is a separate incident from he and his wife deceiving the court about their finances. Try reading the sentence I bolded above. It contains the entire thought about why the judge rebuked him. You can tell that this is why the judge rebuked him because it comes after the word "for". Here, I've highlighted that part in blue to make it easier for you to follow. You probably just skimmed through it though and read what you wanted to read so you could show us all how non-smart you are. Next time I'll try to spell it out even clearer for you.

ABTW, any update on how his kids are doing? Or are you going to ignore that part?

You said:[/B]

"I'm just listing a number of things that go negatively towards Zimmerman's character."

One of the things you pointed out was:

"used defense funds for non-defense purposes in doing so"

You have been waiving this flag for some time now. But you seem to be the only person that thinks Zimmerman's use of the money is an issue. He still has 20k in his possession. Show me why this shows "negatively towards Zimmerman's character"...

You have still failed to make your case.. But I doubt you'll stop trying to change the subject to Zimmerman's wife lying to the court, or whether Zimmerman has children..

But.. But.. But.. Zimmerman paid off his sam's club card!!

CH - you had brought up Zimmermans child in your post up above (that is what MS is referring to).

I specifically asked him Zimmerman using donated money to pay living expenses shows poor character. The child isn't even the case or the subject.. It was mentioned.. Sweeney is deflecting the question..How does using these monies to pay living expenses show poor character.. Simple question, he'll do anything he can to avoid answering it, yet he's made the claim.. Above he even tried tying in the judges decision to revoke the bond.. He's been bringing up the credit cards for weeks...

Dude, you are completely deluded. The judge sentence was a separate sentence! It contained all the info in it for the point that sentence made. Go back and re-read the post. It's very clear to everyone but you and kids under 3rd grade what I was saying. You brought up him having a kid as a defense for how he's used his defense money and now you try to slough it off while telling me I haven't backed up my claims. Talk about dense.

I've repeatedly said why he shouldn't be using the money to get out of debt, but for his defense. Of course, this brings us back to where you said he had a kid to take care of. But you won't address that at all except to deflect (while telling me I'm deflecting, despite me answering you several times).

You keep deflecting.. You know either you were trying to tie them together, or your grammar was off... Move on..

An electric bill due is debt.. Credit card used to by groceries for a week would be debt as well.. Also would be living expenses..

With or without a child, How does paying living expenses show poor character?

I'm not going to answer that until you deal with the child bit that you brought up. Admit that you tried to build a strawchild out of it, that you were wrong, got called out on it and now are trying to gloss over it. I'll add deflecting to your list of words you like to use but don't understand. I've answered clearly every time you asked me about that sentence, that's actually the opposite of deflecting.

That question was asked before a child was brought up..The straw man was the great character flaw that has people paying off living expenses..

Where did I say it was a great flaw? And you still won't own up to being an idiot and using them having a child as a defense against their spending? You are a true specimen of lack of self-awareness or responsibility.

You said Zimmerman paying personal expenses with "defense monies" shows "poor character"..The case isn't even about a child. With or Without a child, Zimmerman has expenses that need to be paid. Judge, Prosecutor, and attorney haven't even blinked at this issue you claim shows poor character. Even the sensationalizing media hasn't said such. Heck he was even left 20k to continue paying living expenses.. So now I guess the court system is penalizing him for showing poor character by giving him 20k huh?

I fail to see how you can jump to the conclusion that this shows poor character..

Why don't you show us how..

 

[TexanFan02]

The Zimmerman's do not have a child. Thankfully.

They were waiting for George to shoot someone so they could cash in.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You are a true treat. You refuse to admit that you misread a sentence and then, as is your habit, you try to turn that around to me harping on it. It's been going on for awhile because you can't read and keep digging the hole deeper by refusing to do so. Seriously, look at this sentence and tell me how it says what you're saying it says.

He was rebuked by the judge, and his own lawyer even admitted he did it and was wrong for doing so,for allowing his wife's lies about their finances to go uncorrected.

He was rebuked by the judge and then his lawyer even admitted he was wrong for doing so? For doing so what? Zimmerman was wrong for being rebuked by the judge?..Just admit your grammar was off and move on.. Or don't.. But don't try to act like you were right.. lol

For what I bolded (that you left out). Here, I'll present it again:He was rebuked by the judge, and his own lawyer even admitted he did it and was wrong for doing so,for allowing his wife's lies about their finances to go uncorrected.

I already admitted that I could've made it clearer, but the sentence still contains all the info needed to get it right but you insist on continuing to dig deeper and deeper, not just on this but in not admitting that you set up a giant child size strawman in claiming that he needed to take care of his child with that defense money. It's almost worse than talking to Christo (though it is far more fun).

edited for effects, that still aren't right but the blue part (as well as the giant bolded part you quoted) is the drop dead, balls on accurate answer to what you seem to not be able to grasp.

We were discussing Zimmerman's spending of "defense funds" on personal expenses, not his bond revocation. I specifically asked you to explain your assertion. You make a statement that seems to be trying to tie this spending to the revocation of Zimmerman's bond.. Now you're saying it could have been clearer.. You're right, now it's obvious that your grammar was off, you were really trying to switch the subject to Zimmerman's bond revocation.. Rather than answer for the ridiculous assertion you made about Zimmerman's "poor character", using his expenses as proof..Back to the question at hand, How does paying his expenses show "poor Character"?

 

[timschochet]

The Zimmerman's do not have a child. Thankfully.

They were waiting for George to shoot someone so they could cash in.

Plus when you have a kid in the car, that makes it more difficult to get out and read the street signs.

 

[mad sweeney]

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You said:[/B]

"I'm just listing a number of things that go negatively towards Zimmerman's character."

One of the things you pointed out was:

"used defense funds for non-defense purposes in doing so"

You have been waiving this flag for some time now. But you seem to be the only person that thinks Zimmerman's use of the money is an issue. He still has 20k in his possession. Show me why this shows "negatively towards Zimmerman's character"...

You have still failed to make your case.. But I doubt you'll stop trying to change the subject to Zimmerman's wife lying to the court, or whether Zimmerman has children..

But.. But.. But.. Zimmerman paid off his sam's club card!!

CH - you had brought up Zimmermans child in your post up above (that is what MS is referring to).

I specifically asked him Zimmerman using donated money to pay living expenses shows poor character. The child isn't even the case or the subject.. It was mentioned.. Sweeney is deflecting the question..How does using these monies to pay living expenses show poor character.. Simple question, he'll do anything he can to avoid answering it, yet he's made the claim.. Above he even tried tying in the judges decision to revoke the bond.. He's been bringing up the credit cards for weeks...

Dude, you are completely deluded. The judge sentence was a separate sentence! It contained all the info in it for the point that sentence made. Go back and re-read the post. It's very clear to everyone but you and kids under 3rd grade what I was saying. You brought up him having a kid as a defense for how he's used his defense money and now you try to slough it off while telling me I haven't backed up my claims. Talk about dense.

I've repeatedly said why he shouldn't be using the money to get out of debt, but for his defense. Of course, this brings us back to where you said he had a kid to take care of. But you won't address that at all except to deflect (while telling me I'm deflecting, despite me answering you several times).

You keep deflecting.. You know either you were trying to tie them together, or your grammar was off... Move on..

An electric bill due is debt.. Credit card used to by groceries for a week would be debt as well.. Also would be living expenses..

With or without a child, How does paying living expenses show poor character?

I'm not going to answer that until you deal with the child bit that you brought up. Admit that you tried to build a strawchild out of it, that you were wrong, got called out on it and now are trying to gloss over it. I'll add deflecting to your list of words you like to use but don't understand. I've answered clearly every time you asked me about that sentence, that's actually the opposite of deflecting.

That question was asked before a child was brought up..The straw man was the great character flaw that has people paying off living expenses..

Where did I say it was a great flaw? And you still won't own up to being an idiot and using them having a child as a defense against their spending? You are a true specimen of lack of self-awareness or responsibility.

You said Zimmerman paying personal expenses with "defense monies" shows "poor character"..The case isn't even about a child. With or Without a child, Zimmerman has expenses that need to be paid. Judge, Prosecutor, and attorney haven't even blinked at this issue you claim shows poor character. Even the sensationalizing media hasn't said such. Heck he was even left 20k to continue paying living expenses.. So now I guess the court system is penalizing him for showing poor character by giving him 20k huh?

I fail to see how you can jump to the conclusion that this shows poor character..

Why don't you show us how..

YesThen why use him having to pay for a child's care to defend his use of his defense money? That is the point you tried to make that you are now running around in circles trying to avoid while accusing me over and over of making strawmen. You my friend, made the only strawman here but won't even admit it, while trying to get me to admit that I wrote a sentence wrong that you still won't admit says what it says.

I never said the lawyers or judge or court said anything about him using his defense money for paying off his debts or even have anything to do with it. That comes from your complete misunderstanding of the English language.

Once again, and for the last time, it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man. And I've showed you how, he used it for non-defense related expenses. BTW, when I said that, that was when you popped in with the "he needs to be able to care for his child" nonsense. I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund. But you ignore that in your hyperbolic and myopic glee.

Your turn:

Admit you made a ridiculous strawman with the child excuse.

Admit you read the sentence wrong and have pretty much ranted on for the last page or two on a completely misinformed idea of what I said. Because very little of what you keep saying over and over again is true. The proof of your wrong-ness is in clear black and white, and bolded, and in blue etc...

Quit brushing these aside as if they never happened.

 

[mad sweeney]

You are a true treat. You refuse to admit that you misread a sentence and then, as is your habit, you try to turn that around to me harping on it. It's been going on for awhile because you can't read and keep digging the hole deeper by refusing to do so. Seriously, look at this sentence and tell me how it says what you're saying it says.

He was rebuked by the judge, and his own lawyer even admitted he did it and was wrong for doing so,for allowing his wife's lies about their finances to go uncorrected.

He was rebuked by the judge and then his lawyer even admitted he was wrong for doing so? For doing so what? Zimmerman was wrong for being rebuked by the judge?..Just admit your grammar was off and move on.. Or don't.. But don't try to act like you were right.. lol

For what I bolded (that you left out). Here, I'll present it again:He was rebuked by the judge, and his own lawyer even admitted he did it and was wrong for doing so,for allowing his wife's lies about their finances to go uncorrected.

I already admitted that I could've made it clearer, but the sentence still contains all the info needed to get it right but you insist on continuing to dig deeper and deeper, not just on this but in not admitting that you set up a giant child size strawman in claiming that he needed to take care of his child with that defense money. It's almost worse than talking to Christo (though it is far more fun).

edited for effects, that still aren't right but the blue part (as well as the giant bolded part you quoted) is the drop dead, balls on accurate answer to what you seem to not be able to grasp.

We were discussing Zimmerman's spending of "defense funds" on personal expenses, not his bond revocation. I specifically asked you to explain your assertion. You make a statement that seems to be trying to tie this spending to the revocation of Zimmerman's bond.. Now you're saying it could have been clearer.. You're right, now it's obvious that your grammar was off, you were really trying to switch the subject to Zimmerman's bond revocation.. Rather than answer for the ridiculous assertion you made about Zimmerman's "poor character", using his expenses as proof..Back to the question at hand, How does paying his expenses show "poor Character"?

For the thousandth time, no I didn't. You misread the sentence that moved on to a different aspect of Zimmerman's actions. I really don't see how you have the balls to accuse me of ducking your question when a) I've repeatedly answered you and b) you won't own up to the child comment you made.

 

[Charlie Frown]

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing

So what? Lie detectors are meaningless relics no more useful for discerning the truth than a seance.

I wouldn't go that far. I worked with training lie detector users in the Army. They seemed to work pretty well. Beatable sure but I would say they are more right then wrong (in my experience).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing

So what? Lie detectors are meaningless relics no more useful for discerning the truth than a seance.

I wouldn't go that far. I worked with training lie detector users in the Army. They seemed to work pretty well. Beatable sure but I would say they are more right then wrong (in my experience).

It wasnt even a lie detector test. It was a stress test.

 

[Charlie Frown]

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

(If we can believe this journalist hasn't taken some liberties here, as has become often apparent in the media's coverage of this case) Zimmerman should have identified himself, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder. That will have relatively no bearing on the outcome of the murder charge.

The police concluded incorrectly that Trayvon was running home. It's obvious for many reasons that he wasn't. If Trayvon was "running home", he would have gotten home before Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher. But he never made it further than 20some feet from the corner of the building he disappeared behind while Zimmerman was on the phone. Zimmerman looses sight of him, a minute and a half goes by while he's still on the phone, then somehow, he's still right there when Zimmerman hangs up. I think even the anti-Zimmerman crowd can agree here. Trayvon was not running home.

The police believed that he was following, I think we all have. I don't think it changes the outcome of the murder charges. It's obvious that he didn't follow him any further than what was represented on the 911 call. Because the incident happened at a spot Zimmerman had already visited while on the phone.

Zimmerman may have made some mistakes.. We don't know because we weren't there. But if the worst mistakes he made was initially following Trayvon, and then not identifying himself once face to face with the confrontation, that still doesn't remove his ability to defend himself, and doesn't prove he was intent on killing Trayvon.

You are a true piece of work. Keep fighting bro, we are all still laughing at you.

After reading the entire police report that was just released and watching and listening to all the interviews this is my conclusion of how this went down.

George Zimmerman saw a person who he didn't recognize in HIS neighborhood and decided to watch Treyvons movements.Treyvon at some point sees zimmy park and look at him as he walked. Hes on the phone talking to his GF and minding his own business. He may or may not have gone towards zimms car , im guessing he started to but zimm rolled up his window negating any engagement. Treyvon continues to walk home and zimm starts to follow him in his truck. Trey sees this and starts to move a little faster. During police questioning zimm could not or would not tell detective serino what kind of run it was, whether he was jogging or sprinting or just walking fast. Judging by his GF`s description he was running, as she said he was breathing hard, but that could have been from being nervous as well. I think zimm didnt want to say that because it would really seem like the kid was trying to move away from zimm asap. So zimm gets out of his car to pursue the ####### punk because hes gonna get away if he doesn't I dont think zimmerman had any ill will at this point , just him being him, captain watchman. I dont think he was getting any address for the cops because he never did , even after he went all the way from twin trees ln to retreatview circle and stood under something to keep out of the rain before heading back to his truck to meet the cops.So MY thought is he never stopped looking for treyvon, he went around the buildings looking for him and i think treyvon was hiding in that area. I think treyvon saw zimmy and finally had enough and came out into the open and asked zimmy whats up and zimmy never identified himself , he just started talking back to treyvon.Words were exchanged and at some point i believe zimmy said something that set treyvon off...called him a punk or worse, maybe the N word was said. Something pissed treyvon off bad enough for him to attack zimmy during the encounter, it wasnt just him being followed.Something bad was said . Now zimmy is in a fight and because treyvon has the upper hand zimmy pulls his gun and shoots treyvon martin in the chest killing him.

By the way the law is written and the fact that treyvon cant tell his side of the story all we have is the word of a man who has proven that he is capable and willing to lie to police and the courts.I think he embellished most of the story and twisted it to suit his cause. With that said , i think the pro zimm crowd is correct in saying it will be next to impossible to convict zimmerman for murder.

Go ahead and flame away hahaha.

The only important statement in my opinion. Murder 2? Acquittal.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I never said the lawyers or judge or court said anything about him using his defense money for paying off his debts or even have anything to do with it. That comes from your complete misunderstanding of the English language.

Once again, and for the last time, it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man. And I've showed you how, he used it for non-defense related expenses. BTW, when I said that, that was when you popped in with the "he needs to be able to care for his child" nonsense. I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund. But you ignore that in your hyperbolic and myopic glee.

Bold statement #1..

"it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man."

Ok, now it's not "poor character" anymore, now it's "less than stellar man"? Or both?

Explain how paying his bills makes him a "less than stellar man". You say you've done this, but you haven't..

Your claim that this money is only for his defense attorney and court fees kinda lost it's luster when his defense attorney, and the court made no stink of it, and even left him 20k more..

What else?

Bold statement #2..

"I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund."

You wouldn't have a problem with it, but he's still a "less than stellar man" that shows "poor character" because of it? Got it..

Seems to conflict with your previous assertions..

Actually, you're story is evolving, you insinuated previously that he wasn't paying "them at the same schedule he was paying before" and your proof of this was that he paid off 2 credit cards. Insisting that he was "paying off debts"...

1) All expenses are debts. Did you mean 'old debt'? If so, how do you know what his old debts are?

2) Without knowing what his typical payment schedule was, what was charged to those credit cards, or how much the payments were, or anything about Zimmerman's finances for that matter, you claim he's a "less than stellar man" with "poor character" because of it.

You don't have enough information to make that claim. And you seem to be the only one making it..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing

So what? Lie detectors are meaningless relics no more useful for discerning the truth than a seance.

I wouldn't go that far. I worked with training lie detector users in the Army. They seemed to work pretty well. Beatable sure but I would say they are more right then wrong (in my experience).

It wasnt even a lie detector test. It was a stress test.

George Zimmerman Passed 2 Lie Detector TestsThe stress test he took, is a lie detector test..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

We were discussing Zimmerman's spending of "defense funds" on personal expenses, not his bond revocation. I specifically asked you to explain your assertion. You make a statement that seems to be trying to tie this spending to the revocation of Zimmerman's bond.. Now you're saying it could have been clearer.. You're right, now it's obvious that your grammar was off, you were really trying to switch the subject to Zimmerman's bond revocation.. Rather than answer for the ridiculous assertion you made about Zimmerman's "poor character", using his expenses as proof..

Back to the question at hand, How does paying his expenses show "poor Character"?

For the thousandth time, no I didn't. You misread the sentence that moved on to a different aspect of Zimmerman's actions. I really don't see how you have the balls to accuse me of ducking your question when a) I've repeatedly answered you and b) you won't own up to the child comment you made.

The question was: How does Zimmerman paying off personal expenses show poor character?

Your reasoning was:

"The money was supposed to be used for defense attorney and court fees"

His defense attorney, and the courts, neither seem to share your opinion on the matter..

"He paid off 2 credit cards"

How does paying off 2 credit cards, without knowing anything about the accounts, balances, or what they were used for, show "poor character"?

You insinuated that he was paying off old debt, and that he was paying off things he wouldn't have typically paid off. But you don't know what debt he had, or what he would typically pay off..

So, no, you haven't answered the question..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

(If we can believe this journalist hasn't taken some liberties here, as has become often apparent in the media's coverage of this case) Zimmerman should have identified himself, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder. That will have relatively no bearing on the outcome of the murder charge.

The police concluded incorrectly that Trayvon was running home. It's obvious for many reasons that he wasn't. If Trayvon was "running home", he would have gotten home before Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher. But he never made it further than 20some feet from the corner of the building he disappeared behind while Zimmerman was on the phone. Zimmerman looses sight of him, a minute and a half goes by while he's still on the phone, then somehow, he's still right there when Zimmerman hangs up. I think even the anti-Zimmerman crowd can agree here. Trayvon was not running home.

The police believed that he was following, I think we all have. I don't think it changes the outcome of the murder charges. It's obvious that he didn't follow him any further than what was represented on the 911 call. Because the incident happened at a spot Zimmerman had already visited while on the phone.

Zimmerman may have made some mistakes.. We don't know because we weren't there. But if the worst mistakes he made was initially following Trayvon, and then not identifying himself once face to face with the confrontation, that still doesn't remove his ability to defend himself, and doesn't prove he was intent on killing Trayvon.

You are a true piece of work. Keep fighting bro, we are all still laughing at you.

After reading the entire police report that was just released and watching and listening to all the interviews this is my conclusion of how this went down.

George Zimmerman saw a person who he didn't recognize in HIS neighborhood and decided to watch Treyvons movements.Treyvon at some point sees zimmy park and look at him as he walked. Hes on the phone talking to his GF and minding his own business. He may or may not have gone towards zimms car , im guessing he started to but zimm rolled up his window negating any engagement. Treyvon continues to walk home and zimm starts to follow him in his truck. Trey sees this and starts to move a little faster. During police questioning zimm could not or would not tell detective serino what kind of run it was, whether he was jogging or sprinting or just walking fast. Judging by his GF`s description he was running, as she said he was breathing hard, but that could have been from being nervous as well. I think zimm didnt want to say that because it would really seem like the kid was trying to move away from zimm asap. So zimm gets out of his car to pursue the ####### punk because hes gonna get away if he doesn't I dont think zimmerman had any ill will at this point , just him being him, captain watchman. I dont think he was getting any address for the cops because he never did , even after he went all the way from twin trees ln to retreatview circle and stood under something to keep out of the rain before heading back to his truck to meet the cops.So MY thought is he never stopped looking for treyvon, he went around the buildings looking for him and i think treyvon was hiding in that area. I think treyvon saw zimmy and finally had enough and came out into the open and asked zimmy whats up and zimmy never identified himself , he just started talking back to treyvon.Words were exchanged and at some point i believe zimmy said something that set treyvon off...called him a punk or worse, maybe the N word was said. Something pissed treyvon off bad enough for him to attack zimmy during the encounter, it wasnt just him being followed.Something bad was said . Now zimmy is in a fight and because treyvon has the upper hand zimmy pulls his gun and shoots treyvon martin in the chest killing him.

By the way the law is written and the fact that treyvon cant tell his side of the story all we have is the word of a man who has proven that he is capable and willing to lie to police and the courts.I think he embellished most of the story and twisted it to suit his cause. With that said , i think the pro zimm crowd is correct in saying it will be next to impossible to convict zimmerman for murder.

Go ahead and flame away hahaha.

The only important statement in my opinion. Murder 2? Acquittal.

I like how the "N-word" was thrown in there.. When all else fails, fall back on that prejudice narrative..

 

[mad sweeney]

I never said the lawyers or judge or court said anything about him using his defense money for paying off his debts or even have anything to do with it. That comes from your complete misunderstanding of the English language.

Once again, and for the last time, it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man. And I've showed you how, he used it for non-defense related expenses. BTW, when I said that, that was when you popped in with the "he needs to be able to care for his child" nonsense. I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund. But you ignore that in your hyperbolic and myopic glee.

Bold statement #1..

"it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man."

Ok, now it's not "poor character" anymore, now it's "less than stellar man"? Or both?

Explain how paying his bills makes him a "less than stellar man". You say you've done this, but you haven't..

Your claim that this money is only for his defense attorney and court fees kinda lost it's luster when his defense attorney, and the court made no stink of it, and even left him 20k more..

What else?

Bold statement #2..

"I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund."

You wouldn't have a problem with it, but he's still a "less than stellar man" that shows "poor character" because of it? Got it..

Seems to conflict with your previous assertions..

Actually, you're story is evolving, you insinuated previously that he wasn't paying "them at the same schedule he was paying before" and your proof of this was that he paid off 2 credit cards. Insisting that he was "paying off debts"...

1) All expenses are debts. Did you mean 'old debt'? If so, how do you know what his old debts are?

2) Without knowing what his typical payment schedule was, what was charged to those credit cards, or how much the payments were, or anything about Zimmerman's finances for that matter, you claim he's a "less than stellar man" with "poor character" because of it.

You don't have enough information to make that claim. And you seem to be the only one making it..

I'll get to this when I get back home, but you are a true wonder. As in, I wonder how you're still alive being as dense as you are. Still nothing about your extra bold statement about his child?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

(If we can believe this journalist hasn't taken some liberties here, as has become often apparent in the media's coverage of this case) Zimmerman should have identified himself, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder. That will have relatively no bearing on the outcome of the murder charge.

The police concluded incorrectly that Trayvon was running home. It's obvious for many reasons that he wasn't. If Trayvon was "running home", he would have gotten home before Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher. But he never made it further than 20some feet from the corner of the building he disappeared behind while Zimmerman was on the phone. Zimmerman looses sight of him, a minute and a half goes by while he's still on the phone, then somehow, he's still right there when Zimmerman hangs up. I think even the anti-Zimmerman crowd can agree here. Trayvon was not running home.

The police believed that he was following, I think we all have. I don't think it changes the outcome of the murder charges. It's obvious that he didn't follow him any further than what was represented on the 911 call. Because the incident happened at a spot Zimmerman had already visited while on the phone.

Zimmerman may have made some mistakes.. We don't know because we weren't there. But if the worst mistakes he made was initially following Trayvon, and then not identifying himself once face to face with the confrontation, that still doesn't remove his ability to defend himself, and doesn't prove he was intent on killing Trayvon.

You are a true piece of work. Keep fighting bro, we are all still laughing at you.

After reading the entire police report that was just released and watching and listening to all the interviews this is my conclusion of how this went down.

George Zimmerman saw a person who he didn't recognize in HIS neighborhood and decided to watch Treyvons movements.Treyvon at some point sees zimmy park and look at him as he walked. Hes on the phone talking to his GF and minding his own business. He may or may not have gone towards zimms car , im guessing he started to but zimm rolled up his window negating any engagement. Treyvon continues to walk home and zimm starts to follow him in his truck. Trey sees this and starts to move a little faster. During police questioning zimm could not or would not tell detective serino what kind of run it was, whether he was jogging or sprinting or just walking fast. Judging by his GF`s description he was running, as she said he was breathing hard, but that could have been from being nervous as well. I think zimm didnt want to say that because it would really seem like the kid was trying to move away from zimm asap. So zimm gets out of his car to pursue the ####### punk because hes gonna get away if he doesn't I dont think zimmerman had any ill will at this point , just him being him, captain watchman. I dont think he was getting any address for the cops because he never did , even after he went all the way from twin trees ln to retreatview circle and stood under something to keep out of the rain before heading back to his truck to meet the cops.So MY thought is he never stopped looking for treyvon, he went around the buildings looking for him and i think treyvon was hiding in that area. I think treyvon saw zimmy and finally had enough and came out into the open and asked zimmy whats up and zimmy never identified himself , he just started talking back to treyvon.Words were exchanged and at some point i believe zimmy said something that set treyvon off...called him a punk or worse, maybe the N word was said. Something pissed treyvon off bad enough for him to attack zimmy during the encounter, it wasnt just him being followed.Something bad was said . Now zimmy is in a fight and because treyvon has the upper hand zimmy pulls his gun and shoots treyvon martin in the chest killing him.

By the way the law is written and the fact that treyvon cant tell his side of the story all we have is the word of a man who has proven that he is capable and willing to lie to police and the courts.I think he embellished most of the story and twisted it to suit his cause. With that said , i think the pro zimm crowd is correct in saying it will be next to impossible to convict zimmerman for murder.

Go ahead and flame away hahaha.

The only important statement in my opinion. Murder 2? Acquittal.

I like how the "N-word" was thrown in there.. When all else fails, fall back on that prejudice narrative..

Do you know of any other word to say to a black person that would set them off in such a way they would want to beat the tar outta someone? Maybe even tell them ''you gonna die tonite ''? Dude im giving you a carrot and you dont even want it hahaha.

 

[TexanFan02]

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing

So what? Lie detectors are meaningless relics no more useful for discerning the truth than a seance.

I wouldn't go that far. I worked with training lie detector users in the Army. They seemed to work pretty well. Beatable sure but I would say they are more right then wrong (in my experience).

I'm sure Zimmerman was being completely truthful when he said he's never broken the speed limit in his life.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

(If we can believe this journalist hasn't taken some liberties here, as has become often apparent in the media's coverage of this case) Zimmerman should have identified himself, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder. That will have relatively no bearing on the outcome of the murder charge.

The police concluded incorrectly that Trayvon was running home. It's obvious for many reasons that he wasn't. If Trayvon was "running home", he would have gotten home before Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher. But he never made it further than 20some feet from the corner of the building he disappeared behind while Zimmerman was on the phone. Zimmerman looses sight of him, a minute and a half goes by while he's still on the phone, then somehow, he's still right there when Zimmerman hangs up. I think even the anti-Zimmerman crowd can agree here. Trayvon was not running home.

The police believed that he was following, I think we all have. I don't think it changes the outcome of the murder charges. It's obvious that he didn't follow him any further than what was represented on the 911 call. Because the incident happened at a spot Zimmerman had already visited while on the phone.

Zimmerman may have made some mistakes.. We don't know because we weren't there. But if the worst mistakes he made was initially following Trayvon, and then not identifying himself once face to face with the confrontation, that still doesn't remove his ability to defend himself, and doesn't prove he was intent on killing Trayvon.

You are a true piece of work. Keep fighting bro, we are all still laughing at you.

After reading the entire police report that was just released and watching and listening to all the interviews this is my conclusion of how this went down.

George Zimmerman saw a person who he didn't recognize in HIS neighborhood and decided to watch Treyvons movements.Treyvon at some point sees zimmy park and look at him as he walked. Hes on the phone talking to his GF and minding his own business. He may or may not have gone towards zimms car , im guessing he started to but zimm rolled up his window negating any engagement. Treyvon continues to walk home and zimm starts to follow him in his truck. Trey sees this and starts to move a little faster. During police questioning zimm could not or would not tell detective serino what kind of run it was, whether he was jogging or sprinting or just walking fast. Judging by his GF`s description he was running, as she said he was breathing hard, but that could have been from being nervous as well. I think zimm didnt want to say that because it would really seem like the kid was trying to move away from zimm asap. So zimm gets out of his car to pursue the ####### punk because hes gonna get away if he doesn't I dont think zimmerman had any ill will at this point , just him being him, captain watchman. I dont think he was getting any address for the cops because he never did , even after he went all the way from twin trees ln to retreatview circle and stood under something to keep out of the rain before heading back to his truck to meet the cops.So MY thought is he never stopped looking for treyvon, he went around the buildings looking for him and i think treyvon was hiding in that area. I think treyvon saw zimmy and finally had enough and came out into the open and asked zimmy whats up and zimmy never identified himself , he just started talking back to treyvon.Words were exchanged and at some point i believe zimmy said something that set treyvon off...called him a punk or worse, maybe the N word was said. Something pissed treyvon off bad enough for him to attack zimmy during the encounter, it wasnt just him being followed.Something bad was said . Now zimmy is in a fight and because treyvon has the upper hand zimmy pulls his gun and shoots treyvon martin in the chest killing him.

By the way the law is written and the fact that treyvon cant tell his side of the story all we have is the word of a man who has proven that he is capable and willing to lie to police and the courts.I think he embellished most of the story and twisted it to suit his cause. With that said , i think the pro zimm crowd is correct in saying it will be next to impossible to convict zimmerman for murder.

Go ahead and flame away hahaha.

The only important statement in my opinion. Murder 2? Acquittal.

I like how the "N-word" was thrown in there.. When all else fails, fall back on that prejudice narrative..

Do you know of any other word to say to a black person that would set them off in such a way they would want to beat the tar outta someone? Maybe even tell them ''you gonna die tonite ''? Dude im giving you a carrot and you dont even want it hahaha.

I just don't see what would motivate Zimmerman to Use this word. If Zimmerman is out trying to do the community some good, why intentionally provoke a physical altercation?I think if you said Zimmerman tried to detain Trayvon, that would make more sense to me.. Would also give Trayvon the right to punch him in the nose. Looks like it doesn't totally negate Zimmerman's right to defend himself, but still, just makes more sense..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

(If we can believe this journalist hasn't taken some liberties here, as has become often apparent in the media's coverage of this case) Zimmerman should have identified himself, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder. That will have relatively no bearing on the outcome of the murder charge.

The police concluded incorrectly that Trayvon was running home. It's obvious for many reasons that he wasn't. If Trayvon was "running home", he would have gotten home before Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher. But he never made it further than 20some feet from the corner of the building he disappeared behind while Zimmerman was on the phone. Zimmerman looses sight of him, a minute and a half goes by while he's still on the phone, then somehow, he's still right there when Zimmerman hangs up. I think even the anti-Zimmerman crowd can agree here. Trayvon was not running home.

The police believed that he was following, I think we all have. I don't think it changes the outcome of the murder charges. It's obvious that he didn't follow him any further than what was represented on the 911 call. Because the incident happened at a spot Zimmerman had already visited while on the phone.

Zimmerman may have made some mistakes.. We don't know because we weren't there. But if the worst mistakes he made was initially following Trayvon, and then not identifying himself once face to face with the confrontation, that still doesn't remove his ability to defend himself, and doesn't prove he was intent on killing Trayvon.

You are a true piece of work. Keep fighting bro, we are all still laughing at you.

After reading the entire police report that was just released and watching and listening to all the interviews this is my conclusion of how this went down.

George Zimmerman saw a person who he didn't recognize in HIS neighborhood and decided to watch Treyvons movements.Treyvon at some point sees zimmy park and look at him as he walked. Hes on the phone talking to his GF and minding his own business. He may or may not have gone towards zimms car , im guessing he started to but zimm rolled up his window negating any engagement. Treyvon continues to walk home and zimm starts to follow him in his truck. Trey sees this and starts to move a little faster. During police questioning zimm could not or would not tell detective serino what kind of run it was, whether he was jogging or sprinting or just walking fast. Judging by his GF`s description he was running, as she said he was breathing hard, but that could have been from being nervous as well. I think zimm didnt want to say that because it would really seem like the kid was trying to move away from zimm asap. So zimm gets out of his car to pursue the ####### punk because hes gonna get away if he doesn't I dont think zimmerman had any ill will at this point , just him being him, captain watchman. I dont think he was getting any address for the cops because he never did , even after he went all the way from twin trees ln to retreatview circle and stood under something to keep out of the rain before heading back to his truck to meet the cops.So MY thought is he never stopped looking for treyvon, he went around the buildings looking for him and i think treyvon was hiding in that area. I think treyvon saw zimmy and finally had enough and came out into the open and asked zimmy whats up and zimmy never identified himself , he just started talking back to treyvon.Words were exchanged and at some point i believe zimmy said something that set treyvon off...called him a punk or worse, maybe the N word was said. Something pissed treyvon off bad enough for him to attack zimmy during the encounter, it wasnt just him being followed.Something bad was said . Now zimmy is in a fight and because treyvon has the upper hand zimmy pulls his gun and shoots treyvon martin in the chest killing him.

By the way the law is written and the fact that treyvon cant tell his side of the story all we have is the word of a man who has proven that he is capable and willing to lie to police and the courts.I think he embellished most of the story and twisted it to suit his cause. With that said , i think the pro zimm crowd is correct in saying it will be next to impossible to convict zimmerman for murder.

Go ahead and flame away hahaha.

The only important statement in my opinion. Murder 2? Acquittal.

I like how the "N-word" was thrown in there.. When all else fails, fall back on that prejudice narrative..

Do you know of any other word to say to a black person that would set them off in such a way they would want to beat the tar outta someone? Maybe even tell them ''you gonna die tonite ''? Dude im giving you a carrot and you dont even want it hahaha.

I just don't see what would motivate Zimmerman to Use this word. If Zimmerman is out trying to do the community some good, why intentionally provoke a physical altercation?I think if you said Zimmerman tried to detain Trayvon, that would make more sense to me.. Would also give Trayvon the right to punch him in the nose. Looks like it doesn't totally negate Zimmerman's right to defend himself, but still, just makes more sense..

Look, i wasnt there, im throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks. This is the same guy who has made numerous calls to the cops about blacks in his hood and had just chased someone around the block after saying these F`n punks always get away. Maybe he was mad , i dont know. I do know that if zimmermans story is true and treyvon attacked him then it was for more reason than just following him.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

(If we can believe this journalist hasn't taken some liberties here, as has become often apparent in the media's coverage of this case) Zimmerman should have identified himself, but that doesn't make him guilty of murder. That will have relatively no bearing on the outcome of the murder charge.

The police concluded incorrectly that Trayvon was running home. It's obvious for many reasons that he wasn't. If Trayvon was "running home", he would have gotten home before Zimmerman got off the phone with the dispatcher. But he never made it further than 20some feet from the corner of the building he disappeared behind while Zimmerman was on the phone. Zimmerman looses sight of him, a minute and a half goes by while he's still on the phone, then somehow, he's still right there when Zimmerman hangs up. I think even the anti-Zimmerman crowd can agree here. Trayvon was not running home.

The police believed that he was following, I think we all have. I don't think it changes the outcome of the murder charges. It's obvious that he didn't follow him any further than what was represented on the 911 call. Because the incident happened at a spot Zimmerman had already visited while on the phone.

Zimmerman may have made some mistakes.. We don't know because we weren't there. But if the worst mistakes he made was initially following Trayvon, and then not identifying himself once face to face with the confrontation, that still doesn't remove his ability to defend himself, and doesn't prove he was intent on killing Trayvon.

You are a true piece of work. Keep fighting bro, we are all still laughing at you.

After reading the entire police report that was just released and watching and listening to all the interviews this is my conclusion of how this went down.

George Zimmerman saw a person who he didn't recognize in HIS neighborhood and decided to watch Treyvons movements.Treyvon at some point sees zimmy park and look at him as he walked. Hes on the phone talking to his GF and minding his own business. He may or may not have gone towards zimms car , im guessing he started to but zimm rolled up his window negating any engagement. Treyvon continues to walk home and zimm starts to follow him in his truck. Trey sees this and starts to move a little faster. During police questioning zimm could not or would not tell detective serino what kind of run it was, whether he was jogging or sprinting or just walking fast. Judging by his GF`s description he was running, as she said he was breathing hard, but that could have been from being nervous as well. I think zimm didnt want to say that because it would really seem like the kid was trying to move away from zimm asap. So zimm gets out of his car to pursue the ####### punk because hes gonna get away if he doesn't I dont think zimmerman had any ill will at this point , just him being him, captain watchman. I dont think he was getting any address for the cops because he never did , even after he went all the way from twin trees ln to retreatview circle and stood under something to keep out of the rain before heading back to his truck to meet the cops.So MY thought is he never stopped looking for treyvon, he went around the buildings looking for him and i think treyvon was hiding in that area. I think treyvon saw zimmy and finally had enough and came out into the open and asked zimmy whats up and zimmy never identified himself , he just started talking back to treyvon.Words were exchanged and at some point i believe zimmy said something that set treyvon off...called him a punk or worse, maybe the N word was said. Something pissed treyvon off bad enough for him to attack zimmy during the encounter, it wasnt just him being followed.Something bad was said . Now zimmy is in a fight and because treyvon has the upper hand zimmy pulls his gun and shoots treyvon martin in the chest killing him.

By the way the law is written and the fact that treyvon cant tell his side of the story all we have is the word of a man who has proven that he is capable and willing to lie to police and the courts.I think he embellished most of the story and twisted it to suit his cause. With that said , i think the pro zimm crowd is correct in saying it will be next to impossible to convict zimmerman for murder.

Go ahead and flame away hahaha.

The only important statement in my opinion. Murder 2? Acquittal.

I like how the "N-word" was thrown in there.. When all else fails, fall back on that prejudice narrative..

Do you know of any other word to say to a black person that would set them off in such a way they would want to beat the tar outta someone? Maybe even tell them ''you gonna die tonite ''? Dude im giving you a carrot and you dont even want it hahaha.

I just don't see what would motivate Zimmerman to Use this word. If Zimmerman is out trying to do the community some good, why intentionally provoke a physical altercation?I think if you said Zimmerman tried to detain Trayvon, that would make more sense to me.. Would also give Trayvon the right to punch him in the nose. Looks like it doesn't totally negate Zimmerman's right to defend himself, but still, just makes more sense..

Look, i wasnt there, im throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks. This is the same guy who has made numerous calls to the cops about blacks in his hood and had just chased someone around the block after saying these F`n punks always get away. Maybe he was mad , i dont know. I do know that if zimmermans story is true and treyvon attacked him then it was for more reason than just following him.

Zimmerman has actually called in about Whites, Latinos, and Blacks.. He's not prejudice, he hates everybody And I'm not so sure Zimmerman had to do much in order to provoke a young man. I've seen people get beat up many times for much less than being followed.. When I was a kid, we'd get in fights at the mall over stare downs. I had friends that would punch people for no reason whatsoever, other than the adrenaline rush..

You seem to have a history of fighting as well, I'm sure you know this...

I think it's very plausible that being followed sparked Trayvon's anger enough to beat up Zimmerman.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

Zimmerman was breaking someones balls at work?... Guilty of murder2 for sure

 

[mad sweeney]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

Doesn't matter, you're picking at nits. Zimmerman is a doting father and conscienscous neighborhood protector. You're just believing media hype. Only thing that matters is the last 5 seconds of the fight. /Hustler.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

Zimmerman was breaking someones balls at work?... Guilty of murder2 for sure

If you notice i left murderer out of my description of him. Point is he`s a manipulating lying piece of work.Throw in the stories from co-workers where he was a bouncer who said "He had a temper and he became a liability," and this guys story and he`s also a violent bully.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

I think we are actually getting somewhere lol

 

[pittstownkiller]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

In your scenario, one that is not supported by any witnesses, you could have Martin startling Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him, or that Zimmerman shoots Martin in an effort to restrain him; I do not know where all this speculation leads but it is probably not going to solve this case.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

In your scenario, one that is not supported by any witnesses, you could have Martin startling Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him, or that Zimmerman shoots Martin in an effort to restrain him; I do not know where all this speculation leads but it is probably not going to solve this case.

The best witness in the case puts them both on the ground with Trayvon on top and Zimmerman calling for help before the gunshot.. The cries for help in the background of one of the other 911 calls support this witness to some extent.. So those scenarios don't work..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

Zimmerman was breaking someones balls at work?... Guilty of murder2 for sure

If you notice i left murderer out of my description of him. Point is he`s a manipulating lying piece of work.Throw in the stories from co-workers where he was a bouncer who said "He had a temper and he became a liability," and this guys story and he`s also a violent bully.

There are many unsubstantiated stories about Trayvon as well.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

In your scenario, one that is not supported by any witnesses, you could have Martin startling Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him, or that Zimmerman shoots Martin in an effort to restrain him; I do not know where all this speculation leads but it is probably not going to solve this case.

The best witness in the case puts them both on the ground with Trayvon on top and Zimmerman calling for help before the gunshot.. The cries for help in the background of one of the other 911 calls support this witness to some extent.. So those scenarios don't work..

C.H, in response to the post above The only time i ever wanted to really hurt someone was when a guy sucker punched me at a beach party at night, he nailed me because one of my friends was about to get into it with one of his friends, so this guy lined me up and then i saw the blue stars as he punched me in the temple. I instanly attacked and knocked him out, then i wrapped my hand around his long hair and started to drag him down to the water to drown him , everyone stopped me but i remember being so pissed i wanted to really do some damage. My point is in all the fights ive been in ive never been that mad before, so for me to believe zimmermans story that treyvon wanted to kill him it has to be for more than just following him. Unless zimmy is lying about that also and it was just a fight with no threats of death and or killing and he shot trey because he could.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

In your scenario, one that is not supported by any witnesses, you could have Martin startling Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him, or that Zimmerman shoots Martin in an effort to restrain him; I do not know where all this speculation leads but it is probably not going to solve this case.

The best witness in the case puts them both on the ground with Trayvon on top and Zimmerman calling for help before the gunshot.. The cries for help in the background of one of the other 911 calls support this witness to some extent.. So those scenarios don't work..

C.H, in response to the post above The only time i ever wanted to really hurt someone was when a guy sucker punched me at a beach party at night, he nailed me because one of my friends was about to get into it with one of his friends, so this guy lined me up and then i saw the blue stars as he punched me in the temple. I instanly attacked and knocked him out, then i wrapped my hand around his long hair and started to drag him down to the water to drown him , everyone stopped me but i remember being so pissed i wanted to really do some damage. My point is in all the fights ive been in ive never been that mad before, so for me to believe zimmermans story that treyvon wanted to kill him it has to be for more than just following him. Unless zimmy is lying about that also and it was just a fight with no threats of death and or killing and he shot trey because he could.

Notice I didn't mention the "your gonna die tonight" part..But you don't have to be mad at someone in order to attack them. You story proves that. You did nothing to the guy, he attacked you...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

Zimmerman was breaking someones balls at work?... Guilty of murder2 for sure

If you notice i left murderer out of my description of him. Point is he`s a manipulating lying piece of work.Throw in the stories from co-workers where he was a bouncer who said "He had a temper and he became a liability," and this guys story and he`s also a violent bully.

There are many unsubstantiated stories about Trayvon as well.

No these are real first hand eye witnesses , not internet tweets or third party rumors.

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

 

[mad sweeney]

I never said the lawyers or judge or court said anything about him using his defense money for paying off his debts or even have anything to do with it. That comes from your complete misunderstanding of the English language.

Show me where I said that. You misread the sentence and won't admit it, among other things you won't admit. Laugh all you want, everyone else is laughing at you

Once again, and for the last time, it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man. And I've showed you how, he used it for non-defense related expenses. BTW, when I said that, that was when you popped in with the "he needs to be able to care for his child" nonsense. I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund. But you ignore that in your hyperbolic and myopic glee.

Bold statement #1..

"it is one of many, many things he's exhibited during this ordeal that paints a picture of a less than stellar man."

Ok, now it's not "poor character" anymore, now it's "less than stellar man"? Or both? Either/or. I got tired of typing out "character". The two phrases are certainly not inconsistent with each other (to those of us who actually understand the language that is).

Explain how paying his bills makes him a "less than stellar man". You say you've done this, but you haven't.. Paying off all his bills with his free influx of cash that was meant as defense money, not get out of debt free money. Again, I also said it was one piece of many that paint a portrait of him, not that this alone tarnishes his character. You're the one that can't get that part through your thick skull.

Your claim that this money is only for his defense attorney and court fees kinda lost it's luster when his defense attorney, and the court made no stink of it, and even left him 20k more.. Why would his defense lawyer make a stink about anything that might add to his client's growing list of character defects? That's stupid to think he would. I also said I only have a problem with him paying off all his debts, not that he used it for day to day payments that he would normally make if he still had his job. And then of course you came in to his defense that he should be able to take care of his child, which you continue to duck answering for. One of many things that add up to your character.

What else?

Bold statement #2..

"I even went so far as to say that I wouldn't have a problem with him paying his bills, if he paid them at the same schedule he was paying before he got money from strangers for his defense fund."

You wouldn't have a problem with it, but he's still a "less than stellar man" that shows "poor character" because of it? Got it.. No, you don't got it. I only have a problem with him using it to pay of his entire credit cards.

Seems to conflict with your previous assertions.. Only if you don't know how to read or you willfully ignore repeated attempts to show how you're misinterpreting things or you're congenitally stupid. Pick one

Actually, you're story is evolving, you insinuated previously that he wasn't paying "them at the same schedule he was paying before" and your proof of this was that he paid off 2 credit cards. Insisting that he was "paying off debts"... My story hasn't changed. You never understood it from the start and I continue to have to keep telling you the same things over and over.

1) All expenses are debts. Did you mean 'old debt'? If so, how do you know what his old debts are? No they're not unless you want to get super semantic about it. A retainer is not a debt, for instance, and I'm sure he paid a hefty one to his lawyer. I don't know what his old debts are. i do know that he used the unflux of money to pay off at least 2 credit cards. Now, sure there's an extremely remote chance that he was planning on doing that anyways, but the timing sure seems fishy to say the least. Coming as it did from a coded jailhouse phonecall after a bunch of free money came his way.

2) Without knowing what his typical payment schedule was, what was charged to those credit cards, or how much the payments were, or anything about Zimmerman's finances for that matter, you claim he's a "less than stellar man" with "poor character" because of it. See above regarding the timing of it all being fishy. And for the last time, this alone does not tarnish his character very much, but is one of many, many issues and actions that add up to a portrait of him. Get that through your thick effing skull. You're the one that assigned words like "bold" and "great" to my claims. I've said all along that these are just puzzle pieces, not proof positive of anything.

You don't have enough information to make that claim. And you seem to be the only one making it..

How's George's child doing? You ready to fess up to the mound of bull#### you tried to spew in your attempt to defend your little love muffin?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

In your scenario, one that is not supported by any witnesses, you could have Martin startling Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him, or that Zimmerman shoots Martin in an effort to restrain him; I do not know where all this speculation leads but it is probably not going to solve this case.

The best witness in the case puts them both on the ground with Trayvon on top and Zimmerman calling for help before the gunshot.. The cries for help in the background of one of the other 911 calls support this witness to some extent.. So those scenarios don't work..

C.H, in response to the post above The only time i ever wanted to really hurt someone was when a guy sucker punched me at a beach party at night, he nailed me because one of my friends was about to get into it with one of his friends, so this guy lined me up and then i saw the blue stars as he punched me in the temple. I instanly attacked and knocked him out, then i wrapped my hand around his long hair and started to drag him down to the water to drown him , everyone stopped me but i remember being so pissed i wanted to really do some damage. My point is in all the fights ive been in ive never been that mad before, so for me to believe zimmermans story that treyvon wanted to kill him it has to be for more than just following him. Unless zimmy is lying about that also and it was just a fight with no threats of death and or killing and he shot trey because he could.

Notice I didn't mention the "your gonna die tonight" part..But you don't have to be mad at someone in order to attack them. You story proves that. You did nothing to the guy, he attacked you...

Right, so if treyvon attacked zimmy then zimmy got so pissed he wanted to kill him...and then he did.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

 

[mad sweeney]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

 

[jon_mx]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

Considering you constantly lie and mischaracterize my posts, I don't give a crap what you say. I pointed out specific flaws and biases using accurate characterizations. You post in some fantasyland a bunch of lies because of some pathetic three year old grudge you can't seem to let go of.

 

[mad sweeney]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

Considering you constantly lie and mischaracterize my posts, I don't give a crap what you say. I pointed out specific flaws and biases using accurate characterizations. You post in some fantasyland a bunch of lies because of some pathetic three year old grudge you can't seem to let go of.

Mistakes, lies... what's the difference to you? Nothing. At least I own up to them instead of hiding behind Joe.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's a thought, You anti-Zimms will love this one..

Treyvon runs around the corner and hides in that first patio area on the right. Zimmerman walks right by him, doesn't see him down the long path between the houses so he continues to the next street to see if he's running down that street instead.

(This would explain why he ran to the next street and why Trayvon was still in the area after so much time had past)

Then after getting off the phone, either

He starts heading back to his truck because he's lost him and catches trayvon coming out of hiding to head home.

or

Trayvon waits till he's there and then comes out to confront him.



(this would explain the timeline for both guys and why they were where they were..)

At that point, either Zimmerman confronts him and tries to detain him till the police arrive and Trayvon punches him.

or

Trayvon startles him by stepping out of the darkness like Zimmerman describes and punches him simply for following him.

or

They get into this chesty testosterone fueled stand off about who won't answer the others question, both trying to intimidate the other. And they lock horns..

In your scenario, one that is not supported by any witnesses, you could have Martin startling Zimmerman and Zimmerman shooting him, or that Zimmerman shoots Martin in an effort to restrain him; I do not know where all this speculation leads but it is probably not going to solve this case.

The best witness in the case puts them both on the ground with Trayvon on top and Zimmerman calling for help before the gunshot.. The cries for help in the background of one of the other 911 calls support this witness to some extent.. So those scenarios don't work..

C.H, in response to the post above The only time i ever wanted to really hurt someone was when a guy sucker punched me at a beach party at night, he nailed me because one of my friends was about to get into it with one of his friends, so this guy lined me up and then i saw the blue stars as he punched me in the temple. I instanly attacked and knocked him out, then i wrapped my hand around his long hair and started to drag him down to the water to drown him , everyone stopped me but i remember being so pissed i wanted to really do some damage. My point is in all the fights ive been in ive never been that mad before, so for me to believe zimmermans story that treyvon wanted to kill him it has to be for more than just following him. Unless zimmy is lying about that also and it was just a fight with no threats of death and or killing and he shot trey because he could.

Notice I didn't mention the "your gonna die tonight" part..But you don't have to be mad at someone in order to attack them. You story proves that. You did nothing to the guy, he attacked you...

Right, so if treyvon attacked zimmy then zimmy got so pissed he wanted to kill him...and then he did.

Certainly plausible, but the cries for help we heard sounded more like 'scared' then 'pissed'...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

Considering you constantly lie and mischaracterize my posts, I don't give a crap what you say. I pointed out specific flaws and biases using accurate characterizations. You post in some fantasyland a bunch of lies because of some pathetic three year old grudge you can't seem to let go of.

What is consistent here is that Sweeney trolls the forum looking to argue with anyone willing.. It's not specific to you.. Notice his first post in a thread is usually inflammatory or confrontational.Not saying I couldn't be looked at the same way, but that's Sweeney's MO..

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

Considering you constantly lie and mischaracterize my posts, I don't give a crap what you say. I pointed out specific flaws and biases using accurate characterizations. You post in some fantasyland a bunch of lies because of some pathetic three year old grudge you can't seem to let go of.

 

[mad sweeney]

Zimmerman bullied former co-worker

Zimmerman - Bullies former Co-Worker

And lost in the midst of the C.H vs Sweeny debate is this nugget of info. Which could help explain how a pathalogical liar can beat stress tests and such.When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]." "He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

In the letter, the colleague states, "Since I started working in CarMax Sanford, George has been dealing with me in an unprofessional manner and have mastered the art of emerging as the nice guy to others in order to make me look like the unsocial type and out of place."

The former car salesman insists that Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time, was not a racist, but would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, chiefly harassing their new colleague with Middle Eastern jokes. He said the racist remarks hurt more than anything else.

Speaking exclusively to ABC News, the man said, "He wasn't joking around. He was choosing his words. He was making fun of my accent, or pretending that I have a thick accent."

ZIMMERMAN = PROVOKING LYING BULLY MANIPULATOR

You are pathetically so biased in this case. Are you telling me you have never made fun of someone's accent? And from that you conclude he is a provoking lying bully manipulator. Also your conclusion about Martin had to be provoked by something like Zimmerman using the n-word is baseless. Just horrible posting.

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it

Jon doesn't just know about horrible posting, he's the president of the company! But he needs to watch out for Hustler...

Considering you constantly lie and mischaracterize my posts, I don't give a crap what you say. I pointed out specific flaws and biases using accurate characterizations. You post in some fantasyland a bunch of lies because of some pathetic three year old grudge you can't seem to let go of.

What is consistent here is that Sweeney trolls the forum looking to argue with anyone willing.. It's not specific to you.. Notice his first post in a thread is usually inflammatory or confrontational.Not saying I couldn't be looked at the same way, but that's Sweeney's MO..

You're part right, but Jonnay has a persecution complex that goes on long before I ever engaged with him. He used to constantly whine about how he gets suspended when (of course, as is his usual cry) someone else did it worse. I don't troll looking for you or Jon. As I've said to him many times, I read political and religious threads and he usually has some of the most inane and/or offensive posts in those so I respond to him (that's of course before you started coming along). If he'd quit posting in political or religious threads, I doubt I'd ever reply to anything he said. But he wants to be seen as a white Christian martyr so if anyone makes a mistake about something he said, it's a vile lie. If anyone replies to him more than once they're a stalker.So uh, how's the research coming along about Zimmerman's child Hustler?

 

[culdeus]

i don't care if repost thsi thread is unreadable

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Paying off all his bills with his free influx of cash that was meant as defense money, not get out of debt free money. Again, I also said it was one piece of many that paint a portrait of him, not that this alone tarnishes his character. You're the one that can't get that part through your thick skull.

So now you know the expenses on those credit cards weren't just day to day living expenses..?How do you know that?

 

[mad sweeney]

Paying off all his bills with his free influx of cash that was meant as defense money, not get out of debt free money. Again, I also said it was one piece of many that paint a portrait of him, not that this alone tarnishes his character. You're the one that can't get that part through your thick skull.

So now you know the expenses on those credit cards weren't just day to day living expenses..?How do you know that?

Read the whole post. I said it was possible that he planned on paying them all off but that the timing of actually doing it is extremely fishy. Any update on his child?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

You're part right, but Jonnay has a persecution complex that goes on long before I ever engaged with him. He used to constantly whine about how he gets suspended when (of course, as is his usual cry) someone else did it worse. I don't troll looking for you or Jon. As I've said to him many times, I read political and religious threads and he usually has some of the most inane and/or offensive posts in those so I respond to him (that's of course before you started coming along). If he'd quit posting in political or religious threads, I doubt I'd ever reply to anything he said. But he wants to be seen as a white Christian martyr so if anyone makes a mistake about something he said, it's a vile lie. If anyone replies to him more than once they're a stalker.So uh, how's the research coming along about Zimmerman's child Hustler?

Hey, hows that "Zimmerman paid off 2 credit cards, I don't care if it was a total of $120 he spent on groceries, but that makes him a suspect character" campaign going?