Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (4 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

The only way to get a conviction in this case is to somehow convince the jury beyond reasonable doubt that it was Martin screaming for help on the 911 tape. Everything else is a meaningless sideshow.

 

[timschochet]

Think of all the free product placement Skittles and Arizona drink products are getting...

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Day 1 in the books, goes to the Defense.

They got dispatch to say that He could understand why Zimmerman would get out of his car and follow Martin after dispatch asked which direction he was going in, as well as twice asking him to "let me know if he does anything"

Not only that, they got dispatch to say that He did not see any cause for concern in Zimmerman's tone of voice when saying "these #######s always get away" further saying "he sounded calm"

Finally the big quote, "We don't need you to do that." was confirmed by dispatch that it was merely a SUGGESTION and not an order, they are not allowed to give orders due to liability issues.

State tried to make a point that Zimmerman told dispatch twice that Martin was black.

Defense cross-examined to confirm, the first time Zimmerman said, "He looks black", the second time he confirmed it was a "black male".

 

[The Commish]

Forgive my ignorance, but these threads work like the political ones? Is there a spin room that we get to go and watch also? Can someone tell me how a day is "won" or "lost" by either side? Or is this just shtick by usual suspects that can safely be ignored?

 

[pantherclub]

Just ignore him

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Forgive my ignorance, but these threads work like the political ones? Is there a spin room that we get to go and watch also? Can someone tell me how a day is "won" or "lost" by either side? Or is this just shtick by usual suspects that can safely be ignored?

Just ignore him

Yes please do, you two obviously cannot refute my posts with any clarity or accuracy and I'd rather you not even try to.

 

[The Commish]

your posts are your opinion...of course they can't be refuted

 

[The Commish]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

 

[timschochet]

Day 1 in the books, goes to the Defense.

What were the odds?

 

[Gawain]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

Meh, thought the defense won on getting the non-emergency operator to admit how his request to tell him where Martin was going could have been a request to exit the vehicle to keep an eye on him, but lost when they failed to present a situation where the operator would actually say something that wasn't phrased as advice.

I also didn't get anymore of an idea of what Zimmerman did after he got off the phone with none-one-one.

 

[jon_mx]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

 

[timschochet]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

Yes and no. You keep repeating this, but I am not convinced that the jury is going to zone out everything else the way you are. Both sides are trying to set up certain conditions that will make things believable later on. For instance, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman basically followed instructions from the 911 operator, you will probably be more inclined to believe that Martin attacked him. On the other hand, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman ignored the operator and did his own thing, you will be more likely to be suspicious of any testimony given by Zimmerman regarding what actually happened once the confrontation started.

 

[cstu]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

Yes and no. You keep repeating this, but I am not convinced that the jury is going to zone out everything else the way you are. Both sides are trying to set up certain conditions that will make things believable later on. For instance, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman basically followed instructions from the 911 operator, you will probably be more inclined to believe that Martin attacked him. On the other hand, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman ignored the operator and did his own thing, you will be more likely to be suspicious of any testimony given by Zimmerman regarding what actually happened once the confrontation started.

GZ was protecting his neighborhood and was never told not to pursue TM - 'we don't need you to do that' is much different than 'don't do that'. Listening to those tapes GZ doesn't sound like a guy who is stalking someone in order to kill him. I don't see any way the jury will find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

Yes and no. You keep repeating this, but I am not convinced that the jury is going to zone out everything else the way you are. Both sides are trying to set up certain conditions that will make things believable later on. For instance, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman basically followed instructions from the 911 operator, you will probably be more inclined to believe that Martin attacked him. On the other hand, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman ignored the operator and did his own thing, you will be more likely to be suspicious of any testimony given by Zimmerman regarding what actually happened once the confrontation started.

What i find interesting during the 911 call is that dispatch says to george are you following him and he says ya,its more than a minute later that he wouldnt tell dispatch his address because he doesnt know where this guy is(meaning trey could hear him if he says it) .That tells me zimm had to have been walking around between the buildings where the T is looking for trey. Now if trey looked back at zimm and saw him getting out of his truck he must have just dove behind something around the corner and just hid there. Seeing zimm walking around for a whole minute would be scary and or concerning to ANYONE in that situation. If zimm stopped when he was told to and was returning to his truck there would be no way trey would hear him say his address....IMO

 

[avoiding injuries]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

Yes and no. You keep repeating this, but I am not convinced that the jury is going to zone out everything else the way you are. Both sides are trying to set up certain conditions that will make things believable later on. For instance, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman basically followed instructions from the 911 operator, you will probably be more inclined to believe that Martin attacked him. On the other hand, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman ignored the operator and did his own thing, you will be more likely to be suspicious of any testimony given by Zimmerman regarding what actually happened once the confrontation started.

GZ was protecting his neighborhood and was never told not to pursue TM - 'we don't need you to do that' is much different than 'don't do that'. Listening to those tapes GZ doesn't sound like a guy who is stalking someone in order to kill him. I don't see any way the jury will find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Have to agree here. I think it will end up being a pretty big leap of faith for a juror to think a person who was trying to get the police to come was stalking someone to have an altercation/kill.

 

[greenroom]

Interested to hear how the Defense is going to explain how there is no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on Martin. If he was giving him a bloody nose and bashing him in as they are portraying.

The prosecutor said Martin had no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or under his fingernails

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/24/prosecutors-defense-set-to-make-opening-statements-in-george-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2XAqvrUW5

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Interested to hear how the Defense is going to explain how there is no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on Martin. If he was giving him a bloody nose and bashing him in as they are portraying.

The prosecutor said Martin had no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or under his fingernails

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/24/prosecutors-defense-set-to-make-opening-statements-in-george-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2XAqvrUW5

It's easy, gravity. What do you do when you have a bloody nose? You put your head back, which is the exact position Defense is claiming Z's head was.

Also Defense already stated first responders did not take a picture of Martin's palms, which would be more likely to have blood on them then his fingernails if he was covering his mouth/nose.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Zimmerman is going to prison. Those ladies in the jury will be crying in their hankies and feel that justice will be best served by sending Zimmy to the pen. Odds of Zimmerman making it out of prison alive? 50/50? Maybe Zimmerman gets placed in solitary for his protection than his likelihood of surviving goes up to 90/10. My opinion. carry on

 

[The Commish]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

Meh, thought the defense won on getting the non-emergency operator to admit how his request to tell him where Martin was going could have been a request to exit the vehicle to keep an eye on him, but lost when they failed to present a situation where the operator would actually say something that wasn't phrased as advice.

I also didn't get anymore of an idea of what Zimmerman did after he got off the phone with none-one-one.

I'm sure that's to come.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Interested to hear how the Defense is going to explain how there is no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on Martin. If he was giving him a bloody nose and bashing him in as they are portraying.

The prosecutor said Martin had no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or under his fingernails

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/24/prosecutors-defense-set-to-make-opening-statements-in-george-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2XAqvrUW5

It's easy, gravity. What do you do when you have a bloody nose? You put your head back, which is the exact position Defense is claiming Z's head was.

Also Defense already stated first responders did not take a picture of Martin's palms, which would be more likely to have blood on them then his fingernails if he was covering his mouth/nose.

here we go again....lets not forget that treyvon was trying to smother zimms screams with his free hand AFTER the punch to the nose which was bleeding. The problem with JO JO the clown is he believes EVERY single word that zimm said happened. A lot of which just doesnt add up...and thats why the state said that zimms story is a "tangled web of lies." Ok jo jo...call me CSI knuckles or something haha

 

[The Commish]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

To you perhaps. I think it's going to be relevant to the ladies on that jury. If they go to the scuffle because a kid attacked an adult the verdict will be very different than if they got to the scuffle because some guy was sticking his nose into a harmless kid's life because he was an over zealous toolbox. I get the convenience of your black and white world, but it isn't realty regardless of you thinking it should be.

 

[The Commish]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

Yes and no. You keep repeating this, but I am not convinced that the jury is going to zone out everything else the way you are. Both sides are trying to set up certain conditions that will make things believable later on. For instance, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman basically followed instructions from the 911 operator, you will probably be more inclined to believe that Martin attacked him. On the other hand, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman ignored the operator and did his own thing, you will be more likely to be suspicious of any testimony given by Zimmerman regarding what actually happened once the confrontation started.

What i find interesting during the 911 call is that dispatch says to george are you following him and he says ya,its more than a minute later that he wouldnt tell dispatch his address because he doesnt know where this guy is(meaning trey could hear him if he says it) .That tells me zimm had to have been walking around between the buildings where the T is looking for trey. Now if trey looked back at zimm and saw him getting out of his truck he must have just dove behind something around the corner and just hid there. Seeing zimm walking around for a whole minute would be scary and or concerning to ANYONE in that situation. If zimm stopped when he was told to and was returning to his truck there would be no way trey would hear him say his address....IMO

This exact thought crossed my mind. If he were in his truck, logically his windows would be up (since it was raining). How is this kid going to hear him?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

KNOCK KNOCK.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

KNOCK KNOCK.

right?

 

[squistion]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

 

[Carolina Hustler]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

 

[squistion]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

Not from the jury. The laughs were from the courtroom gallery/audience. There is not one press account I can find that anyone on the jury laughed before or after this joke.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Interested to hear how the Defense is going to explain how there is no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on Martin. If he was giving him a bloody nose and bashing him in as they are portraying.

The prosecutor said Martin had no blood or DNA from Zimmerman on his hands or under his fingernailsRead more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/24/prosecutors-defense-set-to-make-opening-statements-in-george-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2XAqvrUW5

The defense said the evidence was mishandled.. The investigators didn't bag the hands to preserve evidence.. Also, it was raining... Rain washes things away..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

Not from the jury. The laughs were from the courtroom gallery/audience. There is not one press account I can find that anyone on the jury laughed before or after this joke.

And they weren't laughing at the joke or the follow up... they were laughing (embarrassed for) the joke teller.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

Not from the jury. The laughs were from the courtroom gallery/audience. There is not one press account I can find that anyone on the jury laughed before or after this joke.

There is no account saying the jury didn't laugh after the followup comment.. There is no account saying the laughter we heard was from anyone in particular..

Nice try though..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

Not from the jury. The laughs were from the courtroom gallery/audience. There is not one press account I can find that anyone on the jury laughed before or after this joke.

And they weren't laughing at the joke or the follow up... they were laughing (embarrassed for) the joke teller.

There is no way you can know this, but does it matter?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

When 1 side needs to strenuously object to someone saying the jury laughed at a self-deprecating joke (over a few pages nonetheless) I think it says a lot about their confidence in their position.

"I object your honor <..>"

"Overruled"

"Your honor, I strenuously object!"

"Overruled <..>"

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It maters a bit on these forums. And its worth the discussion and ridicule here in the FFA.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This exact thought crossed my mind. If he were in his truck, logically his windows would be up (since it was raining). How is this kid going to hear him?

No one said he was in his truck.. He could have already been standing at the intersection when that took place.. "between 2 buildings" as the testimony from the 911 operator agreed to..

 

[pantherclub]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

I am sure he planned it exactly that way

 

[Carolina Hustler]

It maters a bit on these forums. And its worth the discussion and ridicule here in the FFA.

I agree with this.. But again, there is no way you can tell that the laughs after his second comment came from one person or another, and what was going through their minds..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

I am sure he planned it exactly that way

It obviously didn't go as planned..

 

[BigSteelThrill]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Who's There?

TRAY.

Tray who?

TRAY-NE WRECK OF A JOKE!

 

[The Commish]

KNOCK KNOCK.

Which no one on the jury found funny.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zimmerman-defense-attorney-tells-knock-knock-joke-2013-6

Zimmerman's Defense Attorney Tells Knock-Knock Joke During Opening Statements, Gets No Laughs From Jury

He (West) then went on to tell a bizarre knock-knock joke that he acknowledge could be received badly by the jury.

"Sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying," West said. "So let me, at considerable risk, let me say: I'd like to tell you a little joke."



West told the courtroom: "I think you're the perfect audience for it, as long as if you don't like it … you don't hold it against Mr. Zimmerman."



"Here's how it goes: knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury."

The joke didn't elicit any laughs. West asked: "Nothing? That's funny."

the laughs came after the "Nothing? That's funny."

Not from the jury. The laughs were from the courtroom gallery/audience. There is not one press account I can find that anyone on the jury laughed before or after this joke.

And they weren't laughing at the joke or the follow up... they were laughing (embarrassed for) the joke teller.

You need to catch up dude...it doesn't matter WHY they were laughing. All that matters is that they laughed....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So from the point of view of someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight today was about a very tasteless joke early on, but after witnesses started, it actually got interesting. I learned that Zimmerman was calm. He certainly sounded calm on the phone (not really sure what that means yet). He also had already made several assumptions about a kid he's never seen before. He decided, against the advice of the police, to do his own thing. Dispatch could see, based on the information they were given, through Zimmerman's filter, why he might follow Martin (not sure what this means yet). The fact remains their advice was to stay put even after getting this information.

This is all irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what was going on when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. Was Zimmerman screaming for his life or was Martin. m

Yes and no. You keep repeating this, but I am not convinced that the jury is going to zone out everything else the way you are. Both sides are trying to set up certain conditions that will make things believable later on. For instance, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman basically followed instructions from the 911 operator, you will probably be more inclined to believe that Martin attacked him. On the other hand, if you are inclined to believe that Zimmerman ignored the operator and did his own thing, you will be more likely to be suspicious of any testimony given by Zimmerman regarding what actually happened once the confrontation started.

What i find interesting during the 911 call is that dispatch says to george are you following him and he says ya,its more than a minute later that he wouldnt tell dispatch his address because he doesnt know where this guy is(meaning trey could hear him if he says it) .That tells me zimm had to have been walking around between the buildings where the T is looking for trey. Now if trey looked back at zimm and saw him getting out of his truck he must have just dove behind something around the corner and just hid there. Seeing zimm walking around for a whole minute would be scary and or concerning to ANYONE in that situation. If zimm stopped when he was told to and was returning to his truck there would be no way trey would hear him say his address....IMO

This exact thought crossed my mind. If he were in his truck, logically his windows would be up (since it was raining). How is this kid going to hear him?

No one said he was in his truck.. He could have already been standing at the intersection when that took place.. "between 2 buildings" as the testimony from the 911 operator agreed to..

i know he wasnt at the truck...he was walking around looking for trey

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I can't even watch HLN, total race-baiting going on.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Also, apparently someone snapped a photo before the cops got there and TM was photographed laying on top of his hands, but Zimmayboy claims he spread his arms to the side after he shot him?

Yup...ive been stressing that from the moment i saw the pics months ago...nobody wants to hear it...to me its just one more lie he has to explain

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Some things I didn't know:

• all 7 burglaries in the gated community were perpetrated by black males
• Z called in a burglary in progress and largely due to his efforts they were able to apprehend the burglar

 

[Mr.Pack]

Holy crap

the stupid in this thread just went to defcon 1.

If this is what I get on the first day of trial in this thread then its going to be a great thing to watch.

Good God. 90% of page 331 was "It made people laugh" "No it didn't", "Yes it did", "No it didn't"

I seriously thought I was back in 4th grade

Holy crap what a bad time to come into this thread. Jesus

 

[Mr.Pack]

preach it Hustler, dont let them keep you down

Now THAT drew laughter!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Some things I didn't know:

• all 7 burglaries in the gated community were perpetrated by black males
• Z called in a burglary in progress and largely due to his efforts they were able to apprehend the burglar

good thing zimm was there to shoot trey and stop an eighth robbery

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

pretty good analysis of what went down today (starting with opening statements)

 

[pantherclub]

pretty good analysis of what went down today (starting with opening statements

Good God Man

 

[BigSteelThrill]

pretty good analysis of what went down today (starting with opening statements)

People will especially enjoy all the anti-Obama and anti-Dem stuff in the cartoon section of that blog, as well as the archives.

That's a big giant "pass" of a link.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

i know he wasnt at the truck...he was walking around looking for trey

I'd like to see your surveillance videos.. The ones in your imagination..