Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Joe McGee]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

It's fascinating to hear her deny it even with the tape being played in front of the court.

 

[jamny]

Well, that's what I'm asking....I haven't gotten to watch much of her. Was looking for opinions. You don't think she's a liar...a lot of others do. I'm trying to get a sense of her through you guys.

I'm not saying she hasn't lied here at some point but I don't think she did for the cracker comment. There would be no benefit to lie there and it is actually more harmful to the prosecution, imo. I don't think she's crazy but she clearly doesn't care much about what she says when she says it. Not much actual thought rolling around in her head.

 

[timschochet]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

Listen to the phrasing, especially the way she says "Trayvon" at the end. Unlike you, NOTHING is clear to me about this. But if I had to guess, she is identifying the voice as Trayvon's.

 

[jamny]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

NOW she's speaking clearly...lol

 

[kentric]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

I call BS.... This woman doesn't say anything clearly. haha

 

[Witz]

So, what's the consensus on the girl on the stand now? Liar or no? I didn't get to watch any yesterday and just did a little bit this AM.

She's stupid. She lies- mostly about irrelevant things. But when it comes to the important stuff in the case, I think she's believable. If I'm on the jury, I need to see evidence that contradicts her statement that Martin yelled "get off me, get off me." Contrary to jon mx, I don't think the photos of Zimmerman's injuries will be enough, because nobody is disputing that there was a struggle."John"'s testimony may be enough to discredit Didi. Maybe- it depends how strong that is. But absent that, I think Zimmerman needs to testify to contradict Didi. That's my opinion, but the jury may be thinking otherwise.

In all of her earlier statements, she never mentioned get off me, get off me. It was only after the fact that she added that part. Explain that discrepancy.

If I'm on the jury, I'm not aware of her earlier statements. And even when I am, they don't provide the same weight of her testimony on the stand, unless the discrepancy involves a direct contradiction. That is not the case here. Therefore, I don't believe this discrepancy will affect the jury all by itself- unless buttressed by other contradictory testimony- such as John or Zimmerman.

You can understand why a biased individual such as DiDi could add more facts to her story the more times she tells it to support showing Zimmerman as a murderer as more time goes on to help her parent's case though right? And if you were on the jury you would give more weight to the initial and previous statements she made both in recorded statements with lawyers, news broadcasts, and written descriptions omitting such damaging statements, right?

Yes. But what I am trying to point out is that the witness has presented a narrative here which makes Zimmerman seem guilty of the charge. Simply pointing out a discrepancy in her statements and suggesting reasons for that discrepancy is not enough, IMO, to discount that narrative. The defense needs to provide an alternative narrative.

and her earlier narratives mentioned nothing of that nature.

So you're saying only her statements now are valid in your eyes? So if earlier she made statements that Martin was the instigator but now in court she says, it was actually Zimmerman, that we should just go with what she is saying now? So basically any statements made prior to statements in court are immaterial to you. Is that what you're saying Tim?

No that's not what I'm saying. If she clearly contradicted herself, then the jury can discount it. But I'm not convinced she did. The fact that she added something that is not a direct contradiction can be explained in a manner other than "she is clearly lying."

Understood. I'm not saying she's lying per se but it the question - is it lying if I don't tell you everything?

The answer is no but in this instance, this is a very significant 'exclusion' to her story that she told a couple of times prior to this case starting to blow up in March 2012 till she mentioned the get off me part in April 2012. One could very well argue that it was added to bolster the case against getting the man that shot Martin (since prior to that, it seemed as if he wasn't going to be arrested and the case was going to die).

 

[jamny]

Seems like Zimmerman isn't nodding off in the courtroom like he was on Day 1. Understandably, he probably didn't get much sleep the night before the trial started.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

It's fascinating to hear her deny it even with the tape being played in front of the court.

It's fascinating to see all the Martin-backers deny it after hearing it.

 

[kentric]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

Listen to the phrasing, especially the way she says "Trayvon" at the end. Unlike you, NOTHING is clear to me about this. But if I had to guess, she is identifying the voice as Trayvon's.

well, we should be able to dig up a sound analyst or 10 to review it. On second hand, I don't think any sound analyst can decifer Didi.

 

[Witz]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

It's fascinating to hear her deny it even with the tape being played in front of the court.

It's fascinating to see all the Martin-backers deny it after hearing it.

To argue you could clearly hear that is blindly hearing what you want to hear. It's garbled at best.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

would love to see this get reviewed by the audio experts.

 

[jamny]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

It's fascinating to hear her deny it even with the tape being played in front of the court.

It's fascinating to see all the Martin-backers deny it after hearing it.

I haven't made a decision yet but I couldn't hear anything clear enough in that recording.

 

[Worm]

So she clarifies it immediately after and says she could hear him say it.

 

[timschochet]

Listen to the entire recording. She is identifying Trayvon as saying "Get off, get off." There is no contradiction here. It bolsters her testimony.

 

[Witz]

would love to see this get reviewed by the audio experts.

It doesn't really matter as they played the rest of the conversation and she indicates that she believed it was Martin.

Non-issue/non-discussion item.

 

[E Street Brat]

So, what's the consensus on the girl on the stand now? Liar or no? I didn't get to watch any yesterday and just did a little bit this AM.

I don't think she really understood this whole process.

What, she dont watch first 48?

 

[Witz]

Listen to the entire recording. She is identifying Trayvon as saying "Get off, get off." There is no contradiction here. It bolsters her testimony.

It confirms her statements today but it doesn't bolster her testimony.

 

[jamny]

Listen to the entire recording. She is identifying Trayvon as saying "Get off, get off." There is no contradiction here. It bolsters her testimony.

yeah, hearing this extended version, she did make it clear that she heard Trayvon

 

[Worm]

This defense attorney is going to need some heavy drinks when he finally finishes dealing with this witness.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

would love to see this get reviewed by the audio experts.

It doesn't really matter as they played the rest of the conversation and she indicates that she believed it was Martin.

Non-issue/non-discussion item.

After BDLR lead her with the follow up question (to fix her answer)

She also says the LAST thing she heard was a hit, then he leads her with another question and she changes her mind, then he leads her again and she changes her answer a second time.

 

[Joe McGee]

You knew it was going to be asked - how does wet grass sound?

Uh, wet.

LOL!

 

[kentric]

I love it. Can you tell me how wet grass sounds. lol

 

[Carolina Hustler]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

Listen to the phrasing, especially the way she says "Trayvon" at the end. Unlike you, NOTHING is clear to me about this. But if I had to guess, she is identifying the voice as Trayvon's.

Obviously she was trying to say it was trayvon, but over the period of time she has gone from saying the last thing she heard was the bump, then something "like a little get off get off", that it could have been trayvon but she couldn't hear it well, to now she's saying she definitely heard Trayvon say get off get off.

 

[timschochet]

Now they're finally asking her the "wet grass" question. This is damaging to her. It's pretty obvious somebody coached her to say that.

 

[Witz]

would love to see this get reviewed by the audio experts.

It doesn't really matter as they played the rest of the conversation and she indicates that she believed it was Martin.

Non-issue/non-discussion item.

After BDLR lead her with the follow up question.

Irrelevant - she clarified her statement at that point in time.

I find her exclusion of this information from prior statements fishy, but this is what it is - she made the statement (garbled) and clarified it.

 

[Worm]

Yeah, the more she talks, the more she seems totally unreliable.

 

[timschochet]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

Listen to the phrasing, especially the way she says "Trayvon" at the end. Unlike you, NOTHING is clear to me about this. But if I had to guess, she is identifying the voice as Trayvon's.

Obviously she was trying to say it was trayvon, but over the period of time she has gone from saying the last thing she heard was the bump, then something "like a little get off get off", that it could have been trayvon but she couldn't hear it well, to now she's saying she definitely heard Trayvon say get off get off.

My understanding is that witnesses do this all of the time. They are more clear as time goes on. But it doesn't impeach her testimony.

 

[jamny]

What does wet grass sound like?

"Wet, leaf, rolling all over"

 

[Worm]

What does wet grass sound like?

"Wet, leaf, rolling all over"

To be fair, that's an impossible question to answer.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

she's lying through her teeth here

she clearly said "I couldn't hear Trayvon"

listen to it carefully, how many syllables in could vs. couldn't?

Listen to the phrasing, especially the way she says "Trayvon" at the end. Unlike you, NOTHING is clear to me about this. But if I had to guess, she is identifying the voice as Trayvon's.

Obviously she was trying to say it was trayvon, but over the period of time she has gone from saying the last thing she heard was the bump, then something "like a little get off get off", that it could have been trayvon but she couldn't hear it well, to now she's saying she definitely heard Trayvon say get off get off.

My understanding is that witnesses do this all of the time. They are more clear as time goes on. But it doesn't impeach her testimony.

I believe one of the lawyers in the thread said that those changes are used to impeach witnesses

 

[Gawain]

I don't understand how he could be out of breath from running when he was under the mailing area for 30 minutes and was 60-70 yards from his dad's fiancee's place.

 

[Gawain]

What does wet grass sound like?

"Wet, leaf, rolling all over"

To be fair, that's an impossible question to answer.

That's a question where her lack of education hurts. There are many examples of things that you can hear, but can't really describe. I'd have just said it's like pornography. I know it when I hear it.

 

[Gawain]

And in a total hipple, I'm coming around to tim's view on her. Defense has had her up there for 5+ hours and her basic narrative is still intact and she hasn't really contradicted what she said in this courtroom.

 

[Worm]

"That would be ######ed, sir."

 

[timschochet]

And in a total hipple, I'm coming around to tim's view on her. Defense has had her up there for 5+ hours and her basic narrative is still intact and she hasn't really contradicted what she said in this courtroom.

Just to clarify- I am NOT saying I believe her necessarily. I'm saying I find her statements believable, which is not the same thing. The defense needs to contradict her story with a narrative of their own, and I still don't see how they do that without George Zimmerman taking the stand.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't understand how he could be out of breath from running when he was under the mailing area for 30 minutes and was 60-70 yards from his dad's fiancee's place.

I thought she said it was Zimm out of breath?

 

[Gawain]

I don't understand how he could be out of breath from running when he was under the mailing area for 30 minutes and was 60-70 yards from his dad's fiancee's place.

I thought she said it was Zimm out of breath?

She might have, I've been wrong about what she said numerous times. I still think this chick needs a reality show.

DiDi does long division would get an 8.0 share.

 

[Witz]

I don't understand how he could be out of breath from running when he was under the mailing area for 30 minutes and was 60-70 yards from his dad's fiancee's place.

I thought she said it was Zimm out of breath?

She might have, I've been wrong about what she said numerous times. I still think this chick needs a reality show.

DiDi does long division would get an 8.0 share.

That's correct sir.

 

[17seconds]

All I know is I thought I was listening to Michael Jackson on Propofol

 

[Carolina Hustler]

All I know is I thought I was listening to Michael Jackson on Propofol

What is "Propofol"?

 

[17seconds]

All I know is I thought I was listening to Michael Jackson on Propofol

What is "Propofol"?

The nasty sedative he was on

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

West is making a very valid point.

So you think it was just a fight, you called him back, you called him back again, you texted him. And you didn't worry about it at all since you thought it was just a fight? So weren't you worried about Trayvon's well-being and didn't think to contact anyone else?

The only very likely conclusion is that Trayvon told her he was going to start the fight and she didn't want to get him in trouble by contacting the authorities.

 

[jon_mx]

West is making a very valid point.

So you think it was just a fight, you called him back, you called him back again, you texted him. And you didn't worry about it at all since you thought it was just a fight? So weren't you worried about Trayvon's well-being and didn't think to contact anyone else?

The only very likely conclusion is that Trayvon told her he was going to start the fight and she didn't want to get him in trouble by contacting the authorities.

She is a dumb ##### down?

 

[greenroom]

West is making a very valid point.

So you think it was just a fight, you called him back, you called him back again, you texted him. And you didn't worry about it at all since you thought it was just a fight? So weren't you worried about Trayvon's well-being and didn't think to contact anyone else?

The only very likely conclusion is that Trayvon told her he was going to start the fight and she didn't want to get him in trouble by contacting the authorities.

Link to any evidence on this.

The more likely conclusion was that the the police/security/neighbors came and busted up the fight and he was in trouble with his father or the police already.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

West is making a very valid point.

So you think it was just a fight, you called him back, you called him back again, you texted him. And you didn't worry about it at all since you thought it was just a fight? So weren't you worried about Trayvon's well-being and didn't think to contact anyone else?

The only very likely conclusion is that Trayvon told her he was going to start the fight and she didn't want to get him in trouble by contacting the authorities.

She is a dumb ##### down?

Can't wait for, so you spoke to Trayvon Martin for 7 hours that day, and the fact that you never heard from him again that night or the next day didn't cause you concern to contact someone about what you witnessed?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I believe she can be crossed up because I believe she's telling an alternate version from the real story.. But she has been destroying the cross examination all morning.. I'd be surprised if the Jury took anything away from this based on how chopped up and confusing this has been..

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

here comes the TAPED evidence that she was coached, and the ####### judge won't allow it to be heard

 

[avoiding injuries]

Anyone who gives this witness credibility just wants to believe what she is attempting to say.

If she is acting like this on the stand in front of a national audience, can you imagine what she was doing in her house while on the phone with Trayvon? I'm having trouble picturing her being very attentive to that phone call. How long did it take for her to find out what had happened to Trayvon? If she thought this situation was serious, wouldn't she have done more after the call was ended?

I couldn't imagine having a worse witness that my case depended on the jury giving credibility to. Mind boggling.

 

[timschochet]

here comes the TAPED evidence that she was coached, and the ####### judge won't allow it to be heard

You've implied several times now that you believe this judge is not impartial but is deliberately on the side of the prosecution. If Zimmerman is found guilty, will this be your main excuse?

 

[timschochet]

Anyone who gives this witness credibility just wants to believe what she is attempting to say.

If she is acting like this on the stand in front of a national audience, can you imagine what she was doing in her house while on the phone with Trayvon? I'm having trouble picturing her being very attentive to that phone call. How long did it take for her to find out what had happened to Trayvon? If she thought this situation was serious, wouldn't she have done more after the call was ended?

I couldn't imagine having a worse witness that my case depended on the jury giving credibility to. Mind boggling.

You guys keep repeating this but it doesn't make it any more true.

The crux of her testimony, the most damaging to the defense, is Trayvon saying "get off me." She's stuck to that. The defense hasn't been able to budge her from it. They haven't been able to provide any contradictory testimony. They played a tape which only seem to confirm it. They've had her up on the stand for hours and they haven't been able to impeach her IMO.

Without contradictory testimony, I believe the jury WILL find her credible.