Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (2 Viewers)

[Mr Two Cents]

Whats wrong with those people?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh, so Trayvon pounding on Zimmerman is just "whoop ###." Wow, this gal is really, really stupid. Like was said earlier, she is too stupid to lie.

 

[avoiding injuries]

"You're uneducated with no communications skills. How does that make you feel?"

 

[Spanky267]

This "interview" is embarrasing.

 

[Billy Bats]

She is trying to say that the word "cracker" or "cracka" is not a racial epithet.

It's cracka, apparently used to describe wannabe cops. That's a new one.

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

Who? DiDi? She's not charged with anything. What's your point? The two points that you brought up are the same in both interviews.....they both have their lawyers present and are being served softballs.

 

[Joe McGee]

She's saying cracka means policeman? Is anyone believing this crap?

 

[pantherclub]

So a juror has a book deal less 2 days after the trial. Yeah nothing shady about that at all.

 

[Dr Oadi]

So a juror has a book deal less 2 days after the trial. Yeah nothing shady about that at all.

This is $$$America$$$

 

[Spanky267]

I am a Floridian and all negative comments about my states education system are confirmed by this interview. I am sorry that I ever defended my home states education system.

 

[gcoast3]

Sad to hear that 17 yr old smoking " weed " twice a week gets laughter from crowd.

I guess DARE is not working.

 

[Spanky267]

Piers Morgan calls the interview with Rachel Jeantel "compelling" Unfreakingbelievable.

 

[pantherclub]

Sad to hear that 17 yr old smoking " weed " twice a week gets laughter from crowd.

I guess DARE is not working.

God Bless Nancy Reagan

(and drew barrymore)

 

[avoiding injuries]

Mind you... where we live, blonds are dumb.

Where are her parents to stop this? I didn't think she could look any worse than she did in the trial, but this is astounding.

 

[Joe McGee]

Did Trayvon Martin have any interest in burglarizing houses?

"Why would he want to do that for?"

We know he was caught with stolen jewelry in his backpack. Nice deflection Didi. Seems like you would have said no there if he wasn't a thief.

 

[gcoast3]

Steel Cage Match

Trace Adkins. vs. Piers Morgan.

 

[timschochet]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

 

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Good times in little rock right now

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

Who? DiDi? She's not charged with anything. What's your point? The two points that you brought up are the same in both interviews.....they both have their lawyers present and are being served softballs.

So you think Zimmerman being charged with Murder 2 and thus requiring a lawyer to be present during this interview is the same ####### thing for DiDi having a laywer, because she is charged with what exactly?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Mind you... where we live, blonds are dumb.

Where are her parents to stop this? I didn't think she could look any worse than she did in the trial, but this is astounding.

how many blond jokes are out there?

 

[renesauz]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

Best post you've made in weeks

 

[Christo]

Regardless of the issues of the black community, we still have to rely on the justice system. A justice system that has failed us too many times.

It didn't this time.

It did.

 

[Christo]

So it's Trayvon's fault he was murdered?

Ok I'm done with this thread.

You people are delusional.

 

[Christo]

This is a racial OUTRAEG!!1!

Instead of trying to calm the unarmed teenagers, or simply locking his doors and waiting for the police, Mr. White grabbed an unlicensed pistol and stormed out of his house to confront the teenagers, Mr. Chalifoux said.

The prosecutor acknowledged that the teenagers used epithets, but called Mr. White and his lawyers disingenuous in invoking a racial defense, noting that they missed few chances to embellish testimony with inflammatory references, and he said they used the “lynch mob” strategy to distract the jury from the charges.

He cited trial testimony that indicated that Mr. White fanned the gun menacingly at each teenager and that Daniel did not lunge, but rather defiantly slapped the gun away, with Mr. White retraining it on him, then shooting him point-blank in the face.

Let's see if we can spot differences in the case beyond race.

And look at what charge he was convicted of-second degree manslaughter.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I missed the juror interview, fyi - the latina/black woman was the hold out:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book/index.html

 

[Spanky267]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.

Having grown up as a poor kid in a predominantely black community I have seen many of these things first hand. There are many in the black community who want to improve their lot in life and they toil relentlessly to achieve their dreams. While still others do nothing to improve their lot in life and instead rely on the largess of the government for everything from their cellphone to their place of residence. You watch the talking heads on MSNBC like Melissa Harris-Perry or Al Sharpton and their discussions revolve around how government and the rest of society can change in an effort to uplift the black community. But never do they speak of the responsibility of the black community to uplift themselves.

Look at Mexican immigrants. They willfully defy U.S. law to flee Mexico for a better life for themselves and their children. They work tirelessly here to not only support themselves and their family in the U.S., bit many of them send hundreds if not thousands of dollars back to their homeland to support their extended families. Many of these folks go on to own their own businesses within a generation. Many of them do avail themselves of our social safety net but it is a means to an end. Not the end game.

 

[Christo]

What do people that want "Justice for trayvon" actually think is justice in this case?

Young black men no longer being considered "suspicious" in our society simply because they are young black men.

Where is the evidence that Zimmerman considered him suspicious because Martin is black?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What do people that want "Justice for trayvon" actually think is justice in this case?

Young black men no longer being considered "suspicious" in our society simply because they are young black men.

Where is the evidence that Zimmerman considered him suspicious because Martin is black?

here we go again.....

 

[Christo]

I didn't watch the trial. I've only read accounts of it. Because I didn't watch it, I'm asking you, specifically, what is the evidence that Zimmerman started the fight? That seems to go against everything I've read.

He got out of his car.

Then lots of people start fights every day all over the world.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I missed the juror interview, fyi - the latina/black woman was the hold out:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book/index.html

link?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I missed the juror interview, fyi - the latina/black woman was the hold out:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerman-juror-book/index.html

link?

Do your own due diligence, I'm listening to it now:http://www.reddit.com/r/TrayvonMartin/comments/1idoie/juror_b37_confirms_all_of_our_suspicions/

What I got so far:

Defense doctor - most credible

Serino credible - big, BIG impression that he thought Zimmerman was truthful

Didi - not very credible, she didn't want to be there, she wanted to leave, she felt inadequate due to her education and communication skills

July 15, 2013 - (Part 1 of 2) - Anderson Cooper Interviews Member Of Zimmerman Jury Defending Acquittal Decision --- CNN's Anderson Cooper landed the first "exclusive" interview with one of the six women who sat on the George Zimmerman murder trial jury for the last month. Seated in darkness and identified only as Juror B-37, the woman told Cooper is "seems like it's been years" since the trial began and shared which moments of the proceedings had the biggest impact on her.

Speaking about the opening statements, the juror called defense attorney Don West's knock-knock joke "horrible." She said, "nobody got it. I didn't get it until later, and then I thought about it, and I'm like, I guess that could have been funny, but not in the context he told it." She told Cooper that in general she found the witnesses to be "credible" and said when it came to the 911 call audio of the screams, she believed those who said it was Zimmerman's voice "because of the evidence that he was the one that had gotten beaten." All but one of the six jurors agreed with that assessment. "I don't think there was a doubt," she said, "that everybody else thought it was George's voice."

If there was one witness who the juror didn't find entirely credible it was Trayvon Martin's friend Rachel Jeantel. "I didn't think it was credible, but I felt sorry for her. She didn't ask to be in this place. She wanted to go. She didn't want to be any part of this case. I think she felt inadequate toward everyone because of her education and her communication skills. I just felt sadness for her." She added, "she was embarrassed by being there, because of her education and her communication skills, that she just wasn't a good witness."

Cooper asked the juror specifically about Jeantel's "creepy-### cracker" statement that drew wide attention during the trial. She said she thought it was "probably the truth" and that "Trayvon probably said that" but said she didn't "think it's really racial. I think it's just every day life. the type of life that they live, and how they're living, in the environment that they're living in." In the second part of the interview, the juror told Cooper she thought Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" on the night he shot and killed Martin and the only thing he is guilty of is "not using good judgement." She said she thought he had "every right so carry a gun," adding, "I think it's everyone's right to carry a gun."

When Cooper asked if the juror thought Zimmerman "really felt his life was in danger" she responded. "I do. I really do." When he asked if she thought Martin "threw the first punch," she said, "I think he did." Despite those assertions she admitted that among she and the other jurors, "nobody knew exactly what happened."

 

[avoiding injuries]

Mind you... where we live, blonds are dumb.

Where are her parents to stop this? I didn't think she could look any worse than she did in the trial, but this is astounding.

how many blond jokes are out there?

Probably a similar amount to the black jokes. What's your point?

 

[Tibetan Sherpa]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

Who? DiDi? She's not charged with anything. What's your point? The two points that you brought up are the same in both interviews.....they both have their lawyers present and are being served softballs.

So you think Zimmerman being charged with Murder 2 and thus requiring a lawyer to be present during this interview is the same ####### thing for DiDi having a laywer, because she is charged with what exactly?

They both had lawyers during a softball interview. But it doesn't matter to you. You'll spew th same #### that you have been, so save it, Circus Boy.

 

[Abraham]

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.

I disagree. I think plenty of black people understand that the only person who is going to elevate their position in life is themselves. The issue is more that there is discussion of "the black community" at all, as if it is one organized populace with the same aims and interested. A black teenage boy in Florida has as little or as much in common with a black single mother in Chicago as their white counterparts. The notion that anyone from Jesse Jackson to Bill Cosby speaks for or talks to ALL black people in this country is foolish. And the sooner the rest of us quit being so condescending as to think their words have merit with regard to an entire race, the better we all will be...blacks included.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Is that her lawyer sitting next to her?She'll need him with Piers lobbing these softball questions at her.

Yes. Just like Zimmerman had his lawyer next to him in the Hannity interview as Hannity lobbed his softballs.

What is she charged with?

Who? DiDi? She's not charged with anything. What's your point? The two points that you brought up are the same in both interviews.....they both have their lawyers present and are being served softballs.

So you think Zimmerman being charged with Murder 2 and thus requiring a lawyer to be present during this interview is the same ####### thing for DiDi having a laywer, because she is charged with what exactly?

They both had lawyers during a softball interview. But it doesn't matter to you. You'll spew th same #### that you have been, so save it, Circus Boy.

So why does she need a lawyer? I know this question is really difficult for you to comprehend.

 

[timschochet]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.

Having grown up as a poor kid in a predominantely black community I have seen many of these things first hand. There are many in the black community who want to improve their lot in life and they toil relentlessly to achieve their dreams. While still others do nothing to improve their lot in life and instead rely on the largess of the government for everything from their cellphone to their place of residence. You watch the talking heads on MSNBC like Melissa Harris-Perry or Al Sharpton and their discussions revolve around how government and the rest of society can change in an effort to uplift the black community. But never do they speak of the responsibility of the black community to uplift themselves.

Look at Mexican immigrants. They willfully defy U.S. law to flee Mexico for a better life for themselves and their children. They work tirelessly here to not only support themselves and their family in the U.S., bit many of them send hundreds if not thousands of dollars back to their homeland to support their extended families. Many of these folks go on to own their own businesses within a generation. Many of them do avail themselves of our social safety net but it is a means to an end. Not the end game.

You can't compare blacks to Hispanics. In fact, you can't compare blacks to ANY immigrant or ethnic group, except possibly native Americans. Every other group came here willingly. It's a big difference.

African-Americans were subject to 200 years of slavery. Then they were subject to another 120 years of being treated like total crap, third class citizens. They continue to suffer under institutionalized racism from our justice system even today. And yet we expect them to behave rationally- it's not our problem. Let them fix whatever is wrong themselves.

For me, that just doesn't fly.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

juror found the animation credible

 

[Christo]

So after a year and 466 pages we are still arguing the same points from Day 1.

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

Carolina Hustler 2183 timschochet 1791 Christo 1749 BustedKnuckles 1397 jon_mx 1355 Jojo the circus boy 1107

50 posts/page...

those 6 have posted a total of 191 pages and 32 posts worth of this thread...

assuming 1 minute per post, not including the time spent thinking about their replies and editing, that's approx. 160 hours wasted on this one thread. A full month of work.

It doesn't take a minute to post

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

race never came up in the jury room

juror thought George was overeager to help people

didn't buy the wannabe cop angle the state was selling

 

[Christo]

I gotta think Zim makes serious duckets off of NBC and CNN...and deservedly so. I can't believe some of the crap they did to him.

As for his story...what more could there be? He already told his story many times...how could there be a best seller in that?

Maybe if he focuses on how he's had to live under a rock and how he's getting by while looking over his shoulder all the time, maybe...I could see that being somewhat compelling.

ducats

 

[Thorn]

So after a year and 466 pages we are still arguing the same points from Day 1.

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

Carolina Hustler 2183 timschochet 1791 Christo 1749 BustedKnuckles 1397 jon_mx 1355 Jojo the circus boy 1107

50 posts/page...

those 6 have posted a total of 191 pages and 32 posts worth of this thread...

assuming 1 minute per post, not including the time spent thinking about their replies and editing, that's approx. 160 hours wasted on this one thread. A full month of work.

It doesn't take a minute to post

Just make sure to bill each post as 0.1 hours.

 

[Abraham]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.Having grown up as a poor kid in a predominantely black community I have seen many of these things first hand. There are many in the black community who want to improve their lot in life and they toil relentlessly to achieve their dreams. While still others do nothing to improve their lot in life and instead rely on the largess of the government for everything from their cellphone to their place of residence. You watch the talking heads on MSNBC like Melissa Harris-Perry or Al Sharpton and their discussions revolve around how government and the rest of society can change in an effort to uplift the black community. But never do they speak of the responsibility of the black community to uplift themselves.

Look at Mexican immigrants. They willfully defy U.S. law to flee Mexico for a better life for themselves and their children. They work tirelessly here to not only support themselves and their family in the U.S., bit many of them send hundreds if not thousands of dollars back to their homeland to support their extended families. Many of these folks go on to own their own businesses within a generation. Many of them do avail themselves of our social safety net but it is a means to an end. Not the end game.

You can't compare blacks to Hispanics. In fact, you can't compare blacks to ANY immigrant or ethnic group, except possibly native Americans. Every other group came here willingly. It's a big difference.African-Americans were subject to 200 years of slavery. Then they were subject to another 120 years of being treated like total crap, third class citizens. They continue to suffer under institutionalized racism from our justice system even today. And yet we expect them to behave rationally- it's not our problem. Let them fix whatever is wrong themselves.

For me, that just doesn't fly.

So you think we should offer social and/or political reparations for the sins of those that came before us? I don't disagree that blacks as a whole have had a ####ty deal in this country. I agree that there is some justifiable and worthwhile consideration for that. But trayvon Martin and Rodney king and Colin Powell and Barack Obama weren't slaves and weren't stolen from their homes in Africa. At what point is there enough separation between then and now that we call it a wash? Maybe we aren't there yet, and I so understand your point, but I'm not sure why me and my white suburban friends are supposed to feel guilty forever about the standing of black people in this country.

 

[Abraham]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.Having grown up as a poor kid in a predominantely black community I have seen many of these things first hand. There are many in the black community who want to improve their lot in life and they toil relentlessly to achieve their dreams. While still others do nothing to improve their lot in life and instead rely on the largess of the government for everything from their cellphone to their place of residence. You watch the talking heads on MSNBC like Melissa Harris-Perry or Al Sharpton and their discussions revolve around how government and the rest of society can change in an effort to uplift the black community. But never do they speak of the responsibility of the black community to uplift themselves.

Look at Mexican immigrants. They willfully defy U.S. law to flee Mexico for a better life for themselves and their children. They work tirelessly here to not only support themselves and their family in the U.S., bit many of them send hundreds if not thousands of dollars back to their homeland to support their extended families. Many of these folks go on to own their own businesses within a generation. Many of them do avail themselves of our social safety net but it is a means to an end. Not the end game.

You can't compare blacks to Hispanics. In fact, you can't compare blacks to ANY immigrant or ethnic group, except possibly native Americans. Every other group came here willingly. It's a big difference.African-Americans were subject to 200 years of slavery. Then they were subject to another 120 years of being treated like total crap, third class citizens. They continue to suffer under institutionalized racism from our justice system even today. And yet we expect them to behave rationally- it's not our problem. Let them fix whatever is wrong themselves.

For me, that just doesn't fly.

So you think we should offer social and/or political reparations for the sins of those that came before us? I don't disagree that blacks as a whole have had a ####ty deal in this country. I agree that there is some justifiable and worthwhile consideration for that. But trayvon Martin and Rodney king and Colin Powell and Barack Obama weren't slaves and weren't stolen from their homes in Africa. At what point is there enough separation between then and now that we call it a wash? Maybe we aren't there yet, and I so understand your point, but I'm not sure why me and my white suburban friends are supposed to feel guilty forever about the standing of black people in this country.

 

[Christo]

What do people that want "Justice for trayvon" actually think is justice in this case?

Young black men no longer being considered "suspicious" in our society simply because they are young black men.

Where is the evidence that Zimmerman considered him suspicious because Martin is black?

here we go again.....

Again? No one has ever answered this question.

 

[Joe McGee]

Rachel Jeantel's whole interview was damage control for her racist, disrespectful, lying testimony. She pretty much tried to backtrack on everything she testified to.

One nugget from the juror was that 3 of the 6 believed ZImmerman was guilty entering deliberations. I wonder how long it would take for tim, Jojo, Christo, jonmx, busted knuckles, and crosseyed to come to a unanimous verdict.

CNN just will not let the race thing go. The biased judge found no evidence of racial profiling. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling. Piers Morgan is so desperate to interject raceinto it that he asked Casey Anthony's defense attorney if there was a subliminal race component to the case. The answer was of course not.

Nice try CNN.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

race never came up in the jury room

juror thought George was overeager to help people

didn't buy the wannabe cop angle the state was selling

3 jurors thought not guilty...2 jurors thought manslaughter...1 juror thought murder 2 before deliberations

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Rachel Jeantel's whole interview was damage control for her racist, disrespectful, lying testimony. She pretty much tried to backtrack on everything she testified to.

One nugget from the juror was that 3 of the 6 believed ZImmerman was guilty entering deliberations. I wonder how long it would take for tim, Jojo, Christo, jonmx, busted knuckles, and crosseyed to come to a unanimous verdict.

CNN just will not let the race thing go. The biased judge found no evidence of racial profiling. The FBI found no evidence of racial profiling. Piers Morgan is so desperate to interject raceinto it that he asked Casey Anthony's defense attorney if there was a subliminal race component to the case. The answer was of course not.

Nice try CNN.

wouldnt happen...ever...it would be a hung jury

 

[timschochet]

Abraham, we're not supposed to give them reparations and we're not supposed to feel guilty. We're supposed to try to understand, and help where it makes sense. Personally I think more money toward education would be a good place to start. I don't think Republicans in Congress should be cutting off food stamps just when people need it most.

And I don't believe racists like George Zimmerman (and yes, I believe he is a racist!) should be allowed to shoot an unarmed black teen without repercussions. He should be in jail for manslaughter right now. Our society is better than this.

 

[MAC_32]

One thing that is happening that I cannot put my finger on is the following, and no disrespect to any of the parties involved or with the fallout of any of it or anything of that nature, but:

Of all the atrocities in America going on today, yesterday, whatever, leaders in the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, whoever else) are hanging their hat on this case to further publicize and take advantage of any perceived racial inequalities in America. Of all the things they could focus on (hate repeating these but Chicago, fatherless kids, poverty, whatever) they are hanging their hats on this case. Knowing (if the leaders cared to look at the evidence) what happened, the leaders are taking a stand with this. I don't care if you are black, white, latino, Martian, but knowing what we know about each of those communities, the black leaders are taking their stand here. That in itself is messed up and shows a lack of focus by the leaders, no?

A few years back when Bill Cosby spoke up, does anyone remember what backlash there was against him? Bill Cosby should have been "appointed" a leader to some degree.

I think it was mixed. There were many black people who agreed but many who didn't like being taken to task for essentially being called bad parents. Unfortunately there were a lot who would rather blame the government for not doing enough rather than take a look in the mirror.

Here's one idiot's response to him telling parents not to be frivolous with their money:

"It is interesting that Cosby expects poor parents, and youth, to be more fiscally responsible than those with far greater resources prove to be," Dyson writes.

But what about the often repeated assertion that poor blacks can't afford to be spendthrifts?

"There is a cruelty to such an observation," according to Dyson. "Not only is the poor parent, or child, at a great disadvantage economically, but they are expected to be more judicious and responsible than their well-to-do counterparts, with far fewer resources."

The main reason the reaction was mixed was because so many conservatives jumped to applaud Cosby, and that annoyed a lot of people. To those of us who are more sympathetic to traditionally liberal African-American concerns, it just seems that conservatives applaud anyone whose message correlates to the conservative principle of "it's not our problem." IMO, Cosby was correct in what he said, but the black plight in this country is not just something that they can fix themselves. It's the conservatives' problem, and my problem, and ALL of our problem, and we all need to work to fix it.

The main reason that the reaction was mixed is that the black community in general is not introspective. The so called problems and plight of the black community are always perceived to have been created by someone else. There is no responsibility for their own plight.Having grown up as a poor kid in a predominantely black community I have seen many of these things first hand. There are many in the black community who want to improve their lot in life and they toil relentlessly to achieve their dreams. While still others do nothing to improve their lot in life and instead rely on the largess of the government for everything from their cellphone to their place of residence. You watch the talking heads on MSNBC like Melissa Harris-Perry or Al Sharpton and their discussions revolve around how government and the rest of society can change in an effort to uplift the black community. But never do they speak of the responsibility of the black community to uplift themselves.

Look at Mexican immigrants. They willfully defy U.S. law to flee Mexico for a better life for themselves and their children. They work tirelessly here to not only support themselves and their family in the U.S., bit many of them send hundreds if not thousands of dollars back to their homeland to support their extended families. Many of these folks go on to own their own businesses within a generation. Many of them do avail themselves of our social safety net but it is a means to an end. Not the end game.

You can't compare blacks to Hispanics. In fact, you can't compare blacks to ANY immigrant or ethnic group, except possibly native Americans. Every other group came here willingly. It's a big difference.African-Americans were subject to 200 years of slavery. Then they were subject to another 120 years of being treated like total crap, third class citizens. They continue to suffer under institutionalized racism from our justice system even today. And yet we expect them to behave rationally- it's not our problem. Let them fix whatever is wrong themselves.

For me, that just doesn't fly.

So you think we should offer social and/or political reparations for the sins of those that came before us? I don't disagree that blacks as a whole have had a ####ty deal in this country. I agree that there is some justifiable and worthwhile consideration for that. But trayvon Martin and Rodney king and Colin Powell and Barack Obama weren't slaves and weren't stolen from their homes in Africa. At what point is there enough separation between then and now that we call it a wash? Maybe we aren't there yet, and I so understand your point, but I'm not sure why me and my white suburban friends are supposed to feel guilty forever about the standing of black people in this country.

Can't word my take how I want so I will piggy back grandpa. I work with a lot of young under privileged people and my biggest issues seem to be with black people. The lack of responsibility and attitude of just expecting handouts without putting in the work is infuriating. It's an education issue that stems from home. We aren't going to get anywhere until the past is forgiven. But not forgotten.