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Flying with twin 4 month olds tomorrow. Any advice? (1 Viewer)

dparker713 said:
BigJohn said:
Bobcat10 said:
dparker713 said:
Bobcat10 said:
Three flights is the toughest part (when to change diapers, etc). Don't sweat it though. Hopefully you are on the aisle and don't get a fat ### next to you. I think you want to feed on take off to take any pressure off ears, then they will pass out for a while, but I'm not certain on this. Anyone that complains (SkyMall reader, etc) should think about bringing headphones (or plugs) on their next flight. Amazing the amount of people I see that don't listen to music or a book on a flight.
Talk about blaming the victim. Its like you've got practice from beating your wife.
Something to be said for being prepared. Everyone has the right to fly. My wife wears Everlast around the house.
:goodposting:

I went toe-to-toe with a bunch of self-entitled ###holes in another thread about kids on planes, so I'm not crazy about diving headfirst into this one.
Flying is a privilege for Americans, not a right. And in choosing to exercise that privilege while traveling with young children, you've decided that your vacation/family visit/whatever is more important than the likelihood that you will negatively impact 100+ people. So look in the mirror for the self-entitled #######.
You are are 100% wrong. Not entirely surprising. Choosing my mode of transportation is absolutely my right. You are right about 1 thing. I don't give a flying #### what you, or anybody else thinks. I am not restricting my right to travel the way I choose because your little ###ing feelings might get hurt. Get bent, you piece of ####.
Really? Using an airplane is no more your right than is driving a car. Neither are inalienable, self evident, nor protected under the Constitution. The airline can kick you off for any number of reasons and frankly you can land on the no-fly list for no real reason at all. And I full understand that you don't want to be inconvenienced by trying to accommodate others - hence why you're the self-entitled #######.

It's like you just proved my point for me. Thanks.
Your expectation of silence does not trump my family's right to travel. HTH

 
dparker713 said:
BigJohn said:
Bobcat10 said:
dparker713 said:
Bobcat10 said:
Three flights is the toughest part (when to change diapers, etc). Don't sweat it though. Hopefully you are on the aisle and don't get a fat ### next to you. I think you want to feed on take off to take any pressure off ears, then they will pass out for a while, but I'm not certain on this. Anyone that complains (SkyMall reader, etc) should think about bringing headphones (or plugs) on their next flight. Amazing the amount of people I see that don't listen to music or a book on a flight.
Talk about blaming the victim. Its like you've got practice from beating your wife.
Something to be said for being prepared. Everyone has the right to fly. My wife wears Everlast around the house.
:goodposting:

I went toe-to-toe with a bunch of self-entitled ###holes in another thread about kids on planes, so I'm not crazy about diving headfirst into this one.
Flying is a privilege for Americans, not a right. And in choosing to exercise that privilege while traveling with young children, you've decided that your vacation/family visit/whatever is more important than the likelihood that you will negatively impact 100+ people. So look in the mirror for the self-entitled #######.
You are are 100% wrong. Not entirely surprising. Choosing my mode of transportation is absolutely my right. You are right about 1 thing. I don't give a flying #### what you, or anybody else thinks. I am not restricting my right to travel the way I choose because your little ###ing feelings might get hurt. Get bent, you piece of ####.
Really? Using an airplane is no more your right than is driving a car. Neither are inalienable, self evident, nor protected under the Constitution. The airline can kick you off for any number of reasons and frankly you can land on the no-fly list for no real reason at all. And I full understand that you don't want to be inconvenienced by trying to accommodate others - hence why you're the self-entitled #######.

It's like you just proved my point for me. Thanks.
Your expectation of silence does not trump my family's right to travel. HTH
You really have no idea what "right" means, do you?

 
dparker713 said:
BigJohn said:
Bobcat10 said:
dparker713 said:
Bobcat10 said:
Three flights is the toughest part (when to change diapers, etc). Don't sweat it though. Hopefully you are on the aisle and don't get a fat ### next to you. I think you want to feed on take off to take any pressure off ears, then they will pass out for a while, but I'm not certain on this. Anyone that complains (SkyMall reader, etc) should think about bringing headphones (or plugs) on their next flight. Amazing the amount of people I see that don't listen to music or a book on a flight.
Talk about blaming the victim. Its like you've got practice from beating your wife.
Something to be said for being prepared. Everyone has the right to fly. My wife wears Everlast around the house.
:goodposting:

I went toe-to-toe with a bunch of self-entitled ###holes in another thread about kids on planes, so I'm not crazy about diving headfirst into this one.
Flying is a privilege for Americans, not a right. And in choosing to exercise that privilege while traveling with young children, you've decided that your vacation/family visit/whatever is more important than the likelihood that you will negatively impact 100+ people. So look in the mirror for the self-entitled #######.
You are are 100% wrong. Not entirely surprising. Choosing my mode of transportation is absolutely my right. You are right about 1 thing. I don't give a flying #### what you, or anybody else thinks. I am not restricting my right to travel the way I choose because your little ###ing feelings might get hurt. Get bent, you piece of ####.
Really? Using an airplane is no more your right than is driving a car. Neither are inalienable, self evident, nor protected under the Constitution. The airline can kick you off for any number of reasons and frankly you can land on the no-fly list for no real reason at all. And I full understand that you don't want to be inconvenienced by trying to accommodate others - hence why you're the self-entitled #######.

It's like you just proved my point for me. Thanks.
Your expectation of silence does not trump my family's right to travel. HTH
You really have no idea what "right" means, do you?
Yes. Yes I do.

 
Do you honestly believe any attempt by any government entity or airline to enact an age restriction wouldn't be defeated in court? It may not be in the BOR's, but there's no way what you're suggesting is ever happening.

 
Flew to south America with a layover in Aruba with my twins for XMas. They were 7 months at the time.

I haven't read the thread but best piece of advice is give yourself double the normal time to do your preflight stuff. My wife is an amazing organizar so things were well planned for this trip.

Final piece of advice: if someone offers help, take it.

 
Also I brought copies of birth certs, but the had brand new US passports, so that worked plenty well.

Also, we sat across the aisle from each other.

 
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Parker has no arguement, hence he's playing this "right" vs "privledge" vs "victim" card. It's pretty hilarious.

Sorry Woody since I sorta started it because I didn't want you to worry about what people like Parker think. You had good intentions for the thread which makes me believe you would try to calm the kiddos down in different ways if their were issues. Advice like that was part of this. Good to hear flight 1 was a C+. You passed.

 
would much rather sit next to a screaming baby then a fat, smelly dude who should've been forced to buy two seats.

 
Do you honestly believe any attempt by any government entity or airline to enact an age restriction wouldn't be defeated in court? It may not be in the BOR's, but there's no way what you're suggesting is ever happening.
If you can be legally restricted from buying a house because you have children I think they could ban toddlers on flights. Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I am not suggesting they should I am just saying they could.

 
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Do you honestly believe any attempt by any government entity or airline to enact an age restriction wouldn't be defeated in court? It may not be in the BOR's, but there's no way what you're suggesting is ever happening.
If you can be legally restricted from buying a house because you have children I think they could ban toddlers on flights. Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I am not suggesting they should I am just saying they could.
Wait, what?

Child-free zones on airlines are the wave of the future. It's already caught on quite a bit in Asia. Also RyanAir used to offer child-free flights but I think they went out of business?

In any case, I would have advised the OP not to do this not because of other passengers but for his own sanity. Glad to hear it's going at least C+ so far.

 
Do you honestly believe any attempt by any government entity or airline to enact an age restriction wouldn't be defeated in court? It may not be in the BOR's, but there's no way what you're suggesting is ever happening.
If you can be legally restricted from buying a house because you have children I think they could ban toddlers on flights. Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I am not suggesting they should I am just saying they could.
Wait, what?

Child-free zones on airlines are the wave of the future. It's already caught on quite a bit in Asia. Also RyanAir used to offer child-free flights but I think they went out of business?

In any case, I would have advised the OP not to do this not because of other passengers but for his own sanity. Glad to hear it's going at least C+ so far.
First nice to see you.

I come from Florida. Lots of age restricted communities there. Heck they can even tell you how long a child can visit each day if they want.

 
Do you honestly believe any attempt by any government entity or airline to enact an age restriction wouldn't be defeated in court? It may not be in the BOR's, but there's no way what you're suggesting is ever happening.
If you can be legally restricted from buying a house because you have children I think they could ban toddlers on flights. Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I am not suggesting they should I am just saying they could.
Wait, what?

Child-free zones on airlines are the wave of the future. It's already caught on quite a bit in Asia. Also RyanAir used to offer child-free flights but I think they went out of business?

In any case, I would have advised the OP not to do this not because of other passengers but for his own sanity. Glad to hear it's going at least C+ so far.
First nice to see you.

I come from Florida. Lots of age restricted communities there. Heck they can even tell you how long a child can visit each day if they want.
Oh, I see! Retirement communities or such. Forgot about those.

Nice to see you, too. :)

 
There is always bound to be some ####### moron who wants to spout off about the fact that there are small children on the plane. In most cases, those idiots either never had kids, or forgot what it was like. In either case, that's not your problem.
Ugh.
Gopher. As someone who has to travel on a regular basis for work. I probably hate you and your ilk. Inconsiderate clods.

 
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There is always bound to be some ####### moron who wants to spout off about the fact that there are small children on the plane. In most cases, those idiots either never had kids, or forgot what it was like. In either case, that's not your problem.
Ugh.
Gopher. As someone who has to travel on a regular basis for work. I probably hate you and your ilk.
I should probably edit this and say, that although the vast majority of the flights I've been on have been good, and there have been multiple good kids on every flight... there are those occasions where there is a mix of bad parenting/fussy/angry/sick/miserable children that it turns some flights into torture. UNFORTUNATELY, it happens enough to turn the entire flying event into a crapshoot, which is only made worse being in those smaller planes and tighter general seating.

If you have other options... take them, if not, don't hold it against the guy that worked a full shift, had to fly 8 hours with three separate connections while still having to report the day after he gets off; when he hates you for bringing your small children aboard knowing you couldn't control them for the duration of whatever leg of the flight you are on.

 
dparker713 said:
BigJohn said:
Bobcat10 said:
dparker713 said:
Bobcat10 said:
Three flights is the toughest part (when to change diapers, etc). Don't sweat it though. Hopefully you are on the aisle and don't get a fat ### next to you. I think you want to feed on take off to take any pressure off ears, then they will pass out for a while, but I'm not certain on this. Anyone that complains (SkyMall reader, etc) should think about bringing headphones (or plugs) on their next flight. Amazing the amount of people I see that don't listen to music or a book on a flight.
Talk about blaming the victim. Its like you've got practice from beating your wife.
Something to be said for being prepared. Everyone has the right to fly. My wife wears Everlast around the house.
:goodposting:

I went toe-to-toe with a bunch of self-entitled ###holes in another thread about kids on planes, so I'm not crazy about diving headfirst into this one.
Flying is a privilege for Americans, not a right. And in choosing to exercise that privilege while traveling with young children, you've decided that your vacation/family visit/whatever is more important than the likelihood that you will negatively impact 100+ people. So look in the mirror for the self-entitled #######.
You are are 100% wrong. Not entirely surprising. Choosing my mode of transportation is absolutely my right. You are right about 1 thing. I don't give a flying #### what you, or anybody else thinks. I am not restricting my right to travel the way I choose because your little ###ing feelings might get hurt. Get bent, you piece of ####.
Really? Using an airplane is no more your right than is driving a car. Neither are inalienable, self evident, nor protected under the Constitution. The airline can kick you off for any number of reasons and frankly you can land on the no-fly list for no real reason at all. And I full understand that you don't want to be inconvenienced by trying to accommodate others - hence why you're the self-entitled #######.

It's like you just proved my point for me. Thanks.
Your expectation of silence does not trump my family's right to travel. HTH
You really have no idea what "right" means, do you?
Have you posted where it is from which you derive your "right" to travel on kid-free planes yet? I may have missed it in this back and forth.

 
thecatch said:
dparker713 said:
BigJohn said:
dparker713 said:
dparker713 said:
BigJohn said:
Bobcat10 said:
dparker713 said:
Bobcat10 said:
Three flights is the toughest part (when to change diapers, etc). Don't sweat it though. Hopefully you are on the aisle and don't get a fat ### next to you. I think you want to feed on take off to take any pressure off ears, then they will pass out for a while, but I'm not certain on this. Anyone that complains (SkyMall reader, etc) should think about bringing headphones (or plugs) on their next flight. Amazing the amount of people I see that don't listen to music or a book on a flight.
Talk about blaming the victim. Its like you've got practice from beating your wife.
Something to be said for being prepared. Everyone has the right to fly. My wife wears Everlast around the house.
:goodposting:

I went toe-to-toe with a bunch of self-entitled ###holes in another thread about kids on planes, so I'm not crazy about diving headfirst into this one.
Flying is a privilege for Americans, not a right. And in choosing to exercise that privilege while traveling with young children, you've decided that your vacation/family visit/whatever is more important than the likelihood that you will negatively impact 100+ people. So look in the mirror for the self-entitled #######.
You are are 100% wrong. Not entirely surprising. Choosing my mode of transportation is absolutely my right. You are right about 1 thing. I don't give a flying #### what you, or anybody else thinks. I am not restricting my right to travel the way I choose because your little ###ing feelings might get hurt. Get bent, you piece of ####.
Really? Using an airplane is no more your right than is driving a car. Neither are inalienable, self evident, nor protected under the Constitution. The airline can kick you off for any number of reasons and frankly you can land on the no-fly list for no real reason at all. And I full understand that you don't want to be inconvenienced by trying to accommodate others - hence why you're the self-entitled #######.

It's like you just proved my point for me. Thanks.
Your expectation of silence does not trump my family's right to travel. HTH
You really have no idea what "right" means, do you?
Have you posted where it is from which you derive your "right" to travel on kid-free planes yet? I may have missed it in this back and forth.
The idiocy just comes from all sides, doesn't it?

 
Leg 3 was even more impressive. They behaved the whole flight while awake.

I hope for a repeat performance on the way home.

CIC-SFO-DEN-BIL

 
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Leg 3 was even more impressive. They behaved the whole flight while awake.

I hope for a repeat performance on the way home.

CIC-SFO-DEN-BIL
Incredible. At least the flights are fairly short. SFO to DEN is around 2 hrs IIRC, but those other 2 legs must be around an hour or less.

It's too bad there aren't more non-stops between smaller cities. Heck, it's hard to get a workable non-stop from PHX to CLE, for example.

 
I have never brought a birth certificate for my kids on any flight. never even thought about it in fact. has anyone had a problem before?

 
Do you honestly believe any attempt by any government entity or airline to enact an age restriction wouldn't be defeated in court? It may not be in the BOR's, but there's no way what you're suggesting is ever happening.
Airlines could create child-free flights or child-free areas on flights and there wouldn't be anything the courts could do about it.

 
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
If misery loved company, we'd be relishing the chance to hear a Colicky baby having a miserable time at 35000 feet over 6 hours of flight time. Besides that, I think Mario was actually defending your side. Testy much?

 
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Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
If misery loved company, we'd be relishing the chance to hear a Colicky baby having a miserable time at 35000 feet over 6 hours of flight time. Besides that, I think Mario was actually defending your side. Testy much?
I apologize, but no I was not defending him. A crying baby is far down my list of "annoying" things that piss me off. If I am near the baby/kid, I'd be more prone to help out rather than make snide comments about it. I really don't see the big deal.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
If misery loved company, we'd be relishing the chance to hear a Colicky baby having a miserable time at 35000 feet over 6 hours of flight time. Besides that, I think Mario was actually defending your side. Testy much?
I don't think calling someone a tool is defending that person.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
If I can drive there in 12 hours or less I always do. Not so much because of parents with ill mannered children and no care about it, although that is part of it. But mostly to avoid the security theater they put on. Not to mention the whole thing is a cattle car operation. May as well ride the bus. At least the bus probably isn't going to circle the bus terminal for hours. I am not going to have to sit on the bus for hours while it waits for clearance to leave the bus terminal either. Flying used to be something now it's just another crappy experience in a world full of them. Give me my car any day..

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Some people just can't take responsibility for themselves.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.
You have issues. I certainly hope you don't carry any firearms.
We all have issues. But mine are not of the variety that would preclude me from legally carrying a firearm in the US.

 
There is always bound to be some ####### moron who wants to spout off about the fact that there are small children on the plane. In most cases, those idiots either never had kids, or forgot what it was like. In either case, that's not your problem.
Ugh.
Gopher. As someone who has to travel on a regular basis for work. I probably hate you and your ilk. Inconsiderate clods.
Well, based on this response, I was about to simply say that the feeling is pretty much mutual, and leave it at that. ;)

There is always bound to be some ####### moron who wants to spout off about the fact that there are small children on the plane. In most cases, those idiots either never had kids, or forgot what it was like. In either case, that's not your problem.
Ugh.
Gopher. As someone who has to travel on a regular basis for work. I probably hate you and your ilk.
I should probably edit this and say, that although the vast majority of the flights I've been on have been good, and there have been multiple good kids on every flight... there are those occasions where there is a mix of bad parenting/fussy/angry/sick/miserable children that it turns some flights into torture. UNFORTUNATELY, it happens enough to turn the entire flying event into a crapshoot, which is only made worse being in those smaller planes and tighter general seating.

If you have other options... take them, if not, don't hold it against the guy that worked a full shift, had to fly 8 hours with three separate connections while still having to report the day after he gets off; when he hates you for bringing your small children aboard knowing you couldn't control them for the duration of whatever leg of the flight you are on.
But, given that you took the time to explain yourself a bit, I'll add this. I get what you're saying. I've been there. Prior to having kids, I can remember being annoyed, from time to time, by crying/screaming babies on flights. I didn't enjoy it, but I also didn't go out of my way to make sure the parents knew that I didn't enjoy it, either. Because, as much as I (and the other passengers) weren't having any fun listening to that crying/screaming child, I was pretty sure that their parents were enjoying it even less than the rest of us. It sucks, and now that I've been in that position myself, I sympathize for people in that position even more.

That said, I agree that, occasionally, you see parents who don't seem to be able to do anything about their crying kid, and they don't seem to care, either. Or, the parent who is oblivious to the fact that their kid is messing with the tray table for the entire flight, or worse yet, kicking the seat in front of them, reaching up and grabbing the person sitting in front of them, etc. Whether it's that they truly don't care what other people think (or care that they're making other people miserable), or that they are simply clueless when it comes to how they might be able to control/improve the situation, I have no idea. But, even when a parent is doing absolutely nothing to soothe their screaming baby, or misbehaving toddler, I'm probably going to be more likely to either ignore the situation (or offer to help in some way) than to find a way to make them feel worse. Because (and this is the key to this whole discussion, in my opinion), I have no idea what exactly they might be going through.

It's easy for people on both sides of this discussion to say that the other side should find another way to travel. But, for most of us (again, on both sides), that's not a feasible option. Trust me... My family doesn't fly unless we have no other option. If driving is possible, that's what we'll do. It's less expensive, and less stressful, if for no other reason than that we can pull over, pretty much any time, if needed. If we're flying, it's to see family (from MN to CA), or it's short enough trip (time-wise) that we can't make it work driving. Likewise, people who travel regularly for business can't possibly drive to/from their destinations, given the time expectations (so they're pretty much stuck flying), and I get that.

So, I have no problem with people who are slightly annoyed by my child's (or anybody else's child's) crying. To the contrary, that's expected, and I'm guessing 95% of the people on the plane are annoyed in that situation (myself and my wife included). Even if you're not "annoyed" by it, it's likely to raise a person's level of stress. After all, it's not a pleasant thing to listen to, for anybody. I just don't think there's any reason for someone to go out of their way to make sure the parent knows they're annoyed. Or, even worse, the guy who acts all exasperated that there is a child on the plane, even when that child is very well-behaved. Those are the people (and, to be fair, they are few and far between) who can go #### themselves, as far as I'm concerned.

 
Here's an example. We flew from MPS to LAX (via DEN), round-trip, in January. It was a week trip. Driving (both ways) would have taken us the entire week, so flying was really our only option. On our return trip, there was weather in Denver. As a result, a lot of flights were delayed/cancelled, and the airport in general was a cluster####... Lots of pissed off people, trying to fly stand-by, etc.

While waiting for our flight (which was delayed), my wife got into a conversation with another couple, who had a 2YO and a 6MO. The wife was in tears. Their flight (the day before) had been cancelled. Their airline wasn't very helpful/accommodating in this situation, because the cancellation was weather-related, and not a mechanical issue. So, they had no choice but to rent a car, and go to a hotel (both on their dime). Their bags were checked, including car seats, and they had no access to them. So, basically, they had to drive the rental to the hotel, with kids, and no car seats. No bags, just their diaper bag and their stroller. Probably not a big deal to people without kids, but to some, it's a big deal. Certainly not the ideal way to spend a night in a hotel (not that spending a night in a hotel is ever ideal with two small children).

Then, when they came back to the DEN airport (after what I'm sure was a miserable night, given the situation), they were told that the best that the airline could do would be to re-route them to another airport... 2-3 hours from their original destination. So, again, they would be renting a car, it appeared (at least for that rental they would likely have their car seats back). The wife was clearly losing it, and her husband was stressed as well. They were on stand-by, but had about 7-8 people in front of them on the list.

Long story short (I know, not that short, but shorter than it could be), they made it on to our flight. Mom was (again) in tears, but this time it appeared to be more out of relief/exhaustion than anything else. They sat behind us on the plane. Their kids (and ours) were all relatively well-behaved, but at one point or another, at least 3 of the 4 were crying. The worst of the four was their 2YO, who essentially had a tantrum at one point. I heard the parents having what sounded like an argument... Not loudly, but just loud enough that I (sitting directly in front of the mom) could make out bits and pieces. It sounded, essentially, like she was blaming him for dropping something, and he was apologizing. Both were clearly stressed, and for good reason.

My point is this. For anybody not knowing what they had gone through, in the past 24 hours, it would be easy to look at that couple/family, and ask yourself WTF was wrong with them. Why can't they keep their kid under control, etc. But, in my opinion, they were holding it together quite well, all things considered. And, all things considered, they did a pretty good job of making sure their kids didn't inconvenience anybody else on the plane. At least, as much as they could, given the ages of their kids.

So, like I said, unless I can put myself in someone else's shoes (which is never going to be the case, at least not completely), I try not to judge. The same goes for the businessman who is clearly irritated by the crying kid. Who knows what has gone on in his past 24-48 hours (or what he has in store, once he gets to his destination). So, yeah, he has every right to look irritated. I try not to get too caught up on what others are doing, given that I don't know them (or know what they're going through). Flying is pretty much a miserable experience, kids or not.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.
seems to me like anyone who has to fly with a complete doosh like you is more negatively impacted than by some crying kid. good god you sound alone and miserable.
 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.
:lmao: :lmao: Oh, this is quality #### right here.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.
:lmao: :lmao: Oh, this is quality #### right here.
Being that I am on a 6 hour flight to LA right now there are tons of young kids here. Loud and crying. But I got headphones as does most. Honestly anyone who blames the parents don't understand what it means to have children. I don't have any kids (that I know about) but I get it. As a parent they have to make sure their kids are not scared and air pressure isn't too painful. Having rude people scolding them is the last thing anyone on a flight needs.

 
Here's an example. We flew from MPS to LAX (via DEN), round-trip, in January. It was a week trip. Driving (both ways) would have taken us the entire week, so flying was really our only option.
Option B) Don't go

Option C) Leave the children

You have other options.

ETA: Option D) Not have children

 
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There is always bound to be some ####### moron who wants to spout off about the fact that there are small children on the plane. In most cases, those idiots either never had kids, or forgot what it was like. In either case, that's not your problem.
Ugh.
Gopher. As someone who has to travel on a regular basis for work. I probably hate you and your ilk. Inconsiderate clods.
Well, based on this response, I was about to simply say that the feeling is pretty much mutual, and leave it at that. ;)

There is always bound to be some ####### moron who wants to spout off about the fact that there are small children on the plane. In most cases, those idiots either never had kids, or forgot what it was like. In either case, that's not your problem.
Ugh.
Gopher. As someone who has to travel on a regular basis for work. I probably hate you and your ilk.
I should probably edit this and say, that although the vast majority of the flights I've been on have been good, and there have been multiple good kids on every flight... there are those occasions where there is a mix of bad parenting/fussy/angry/sick/miserable children that it turns some flights into torture. UNFORTUNATELY, it happens enough to turn the entire flying event into a crapshoot, which is only made worse being in those smaller planes and tighter general seating.

If you have other options... take them, if not, don't hold it against the guy that worked a full shift, had to fly 8 hours with three separate connections while still having to report the day after he gets off; when he hates you for bringing your small children aboard knowing you couldn't control them for the duration of whatever leg of the flight you are on.
But, given that you took the time to explain yourself a bit, I'll add this. I get what you're saying. I've been there. Prior to having kids, I can remember being annoyed, from time to time, by crying/screaming babies on flights. I didn't enjoy it, but I also didn't go out of my way to make sure the parents knew that I didn't enjoy it, either. Because, as much as I (and the other passengers) weren't having any fun listening to that crying/screaming child, I was pretty sure that their parents were enjoying it even less than the rest of us. It sucks, and now that I've been in that position myself, I sympathize for people in that position even more.

That said, I agree that, occasionally, you see parents who don't seem to be able to do anything about their crying kid, and they don't seem to care, either. Or, the parent who is oblivious to the fact that their kid is messing with the tray table for the entire flight, or worse yet, kicking the seat in front of them, reaching up and grabbing the person sitting in front of them, etc. Whether it's that they truly don't care what other people think (or care that they're making other people miserable), or that they are simply clueless when it comes to how they might be able to control/improve the situation, I have no idea. But, even when a parent is doing absolutely nothing to soothe their screaming baby, or misbehaving toddler, I'm probably going to be more likely to either ignore the situation (or offer to help in some way) than to find a way to make them feel worse. Because (and this is the key to this whole discussion, in my opinion), I have no idea what exactly they might be going through.

It's easy for people on both sides of this discussion to say that the other side should find another way to travel. But, for most of us (again, on both sides), that's not a feasible option. Trust me... My family doesn't fly unless we have no other option. If driving is possible, that's what we'll do. It's less expensive, and less stressful, if for no other reason than that we can pull over, pretty much any time, if needed. If we're flying, it's to see family (from MN to CA), or it's short enough trip (time-wise) that we can't make it work driving. Likewise, people who travel regularly for business can't possibly drive to/from their destinations, given the time expectations (so they're pretty much stuck flying), and I get that.

So, I have no problem with people who are slightly annoyed by my child's (or anybody else's child's) crying. To the contrary, that's expected, and I'm guessing 95% of the people on the plane are annoyed in that situation (myself and my wife included). Even if you're not "annoyed" by it, it's likely to raise a person's level of stress. After all, it's not a pleasant thing to listen to, for anybody. I just don't think there's any reason for someone to go out of their way to make sure the parent knows they're annoyed. Or, even worse, the guy who acts all exasperated that there is a child on the plane, even when that child is very well-behaved. Those are the people (and, to be fair, they are few and far between) who can go #### themselves, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree. Also, don't get me wrong, when I am on a plane and it's for business, I represent my company and the last thing I would do is be a jerk or show any outward animosity. Inner me would seethe a bit, but there's no way I'd risk a confrontation in that situation.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.
:lmao: :lmao: Oh, this is quality #### right here.
So, everyone irritated/annoyed by a screaming child on a plane is an offender. Your egocentrism is amazingly advanced.

 
Mario Kart said:
Kids are kids. Crying is crying. So what.

Glad the flights worked out but I wouldn't even think about the crying worries. Tools being tools if someone would complain.
I understand your world is filled with snot nosed kids crying all the time. But some of us would prefer you keep that particular joy to yourselves. I guess it is true, misery loves company.
You could always drive or take a bus or train if it bothers you so much
Love this defense. The offender telling others to change their habits to accommodate them.

You bring a young child on a plane. The child predictably cries/acts up/does child things, you should expect others to be annoyed. If you're incapable of calming said child, you should expect various forms of scorn, regardless of your best efforts. Why? Because your choice of flying with that kid has negatively impacted those around you. It's your fault. If you can't deal with that, maybe you should have chosen another form of transportation.
seems to me like anyone who has to fly with a complete doosh like you is more negatively impacted than by some crying kid. good god you sound alone and miserable.
I'd much rather be on a flight next to a person that is miserable and keeps to themselves than a small child. But to each their own.

 
Here's an example. We flew from MPS to LAX (via DEN), round-trip, in January. It was a week trip. Driving (both ways) would have taken us the entire week, so flying was really our only option.
Option B) Don't go

Option C) Leave the children

You have other options.
It still blows my mind that you are self-centered enough to think that your comfort is more important than having to choose either of these options. Don't go on a trip, or, worse yet, leave my children so you don't have to listen to them? :lmao: :lmao: Absurd.

 
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Here's an example. We flew from MPS to LAX (via DEN), round-trip, in January. It was a week trip. Driving (both ways) would have taken us the entire week, so flying was really our only option.
Option B) Don't go

Option C) Leave the children

You have other options.
It still blows my mind that you are self-centered enough to think that your comfort is more important than having to choose either of these options. Don't go on a trip, or, worse yet, leave my children so you don't have to listen to them? :lmao: :lmao: Absurd.
A) Its 50+ people's comfort

B) This isn't about me, its about you and your choices. You chose to ignore other people when you decide to fly and somehow think everyone should be understanding of your inability to restrain your child. Therein lies the absurdity.

 
Here's an example. We flew from MPS to LAX (via DEN), round-trip, in January. It was a week trip. Driving (both ways) would have taken us the entire week, so flying was really our only option.
Option B) Don't go

Option C) Leave the children

You have other options.
It still blows my mind that you are self-centered enough to think that your comfort is more important than having to choose either of these options. Don't go on a trip, or, worse yet, leave my children so you don't have to listen to them? :lmao: :lmao: Absurd.
A) Its 50+ people's comfort

B) This isn't about me, its about you and your choices. You chose to ignore other people when you decide to fly and somehow think everyone should be understanding of your inability to restrain your child. Therein lies the absurdity.
:thumbup:

 

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