For those not averse to taking a stud QB in Rd 1 only... (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

I play in a league that rewards 6 pts per passing TD and as a result stud QBs fly off the board early every year. I have never been afraid to take a Rd 1 QB or WR and this year is no different. Picking from the six slot, I originally had my sights set on Vick or Rodgers, but I'm actually starting to think the shark play is Brady.

My reasoning is that he has as much upside as the other two, but with a lot less injury risk. I know many don't like to consider injury risk, but I always do. I account for playing style and surrounding cast and on both fronts I think Brady is much safer.

Am I crazy to think so highly of Brady?

 

[FUBAR]

I'm hoping to get Brady in the 2nd, don't think he's worth a 1st.

 

[LawFitz]

And FYI, based on my league's tendencies, I am 99% certain none of the big three QBs will be around for my pick in Rd 2.

 

[benm3218]

Yes, you are crazy. He won't outscore Rivers, Brees, or Rodgers.

Rodgers

Brees

Rivers

Manning

a few others

Brady

 

[Dragon1952]

I'd just as soon have Rivers or Brees or Peyton Manning vs Brady. I think Vick or Rodgers would be the only ones I'd be willing to take with a mid to late 1st.

 

[glong989]

If your passing TDs are worth 6 then it downgrades Vick some. He gets a lot of value over other QBs in 4pt passing TD leagues due to his rushing yds and TDs being worth more points. He's not going to throw 30 something passing TDs like the other top QBs in all liklihood so I don't think I'd be willing to burn a mid first pick on him in your scoring settings - Rodgers I would be willing to do it for.

For you I'm assuming youd have to take who ever is there in the second if you waited. It depends on your league size. If it's just 10 people then you could wait if you wanted and still probably have a top 7 guy, maybe even Brady. If it's a larger league it might be wise to take Rodgers. I'm a firm believer you need a top guy if you have 6 pt TDs as it's imperative to be producing from the QB position or the guys with the top signal callers will dominate you.

 

[eoMMan]

Regarding injury risk, to be fair, Rodgers has played more games than Brady over the past three years. Remember when Brady got knocked out for the season? It can happen to anyone. Both the Pats and the Packers have pretty good lines so the QB will have protection. With Vick, meh, I'd pass on him. He's too boom or bust. Let someone else risk it to get the bisquit. Personally, I'd take Rodgers over Brady (more weapons and probably run less than NE will) but I wouldn't fault you for taking Brady.

 

[tenaka]

I'm not sold on Vick being the #2 (or #1) as a lot of people seem to be so I might want Brady over him. But I agree with some of the other thoughts here that some other guys like Brees and Rivers will have similar enough stats that if they can be had a round later its a better way to go.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Why take him in the first when he's there in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd? Someone may swoop in but I haven't seen him go in the 1st yet. It's the old value equation, the drop off is a lot faster with RB's vs like a Schaub, Brees who should be still around. The one huge positive factor in having Brady is his consistency. A "bad" game seems to be 260/2.

 

[kutta]

I agree with the others. He might be there in the 2nd. It's well worth the gamble to take a stud RB in the first and pick up one of the QB's in the 2nd.

 

[LawFitz]

Why take him in the first when he's there in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd? Someone may swoop in but I haven't seen him go in the 1st yet. It's the old value equation, the drop off is a lot faster with RB's vs like a Schaub, Brees who should be still around. The one huge positive factor in having Brady is his consistency. A "bad" game seems to be 260/2.

Consistency with MAJOR upside IMO. I just have a feeling he's going to be #1 by a wide margin this season over everyone but Rodgers and with tremendous week to week consistency to boot. Yes I am assuming a Vick injury. Rodgers is awfully tempting as an alternative b/c of the rushing stats, but those are such a double-edged sword.

 

[Dez]

I play in a league that rewards 6 pts per passing TD and as a result stud QBs fly off the board early every year. I have never been afraid to take a Rd 1 QB or WR and this year is no different. Picking from the six slot, I originally had my sights set on Vick or Rodgers, but I'm actually starting to think the shark play is Brady.My reasoning is that he has as much upside as the other two, but with a lot less injury risk. I know many don't like to consider injury risk, but I always do. I account for playing style and surrounding cast and on both fronts I think Brady is much safer.Am I crazy to think so highly of Brady?

Yes you are crazy. Taking any QB at pick 6 = Crazy I don't care if you are getting 9 pts a TD pass.

 

[Keith1]

Why take him in the first when he's there in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd? Someone may swoop in but I haven't seen him go in the 1st yet. It's the old value equation, the drop off is a lot faster with RB's vs like a Schaub, Brees who should be still around. The one huge positive factor in having Brady is his consistency. A "bad" game seems to be 260/2.

Consistency with MAJOR upside IMO. I just have a feeling he's going to be #1 by a wide margin this season over everyone but Rodgers and with tremendous week to week consistency to boot. Yes I am assuming a Vick injury. Rodgers is awfully tempting as an alternative b/c of the rushing stats, but those are such a double-edged sword.

I pick # 12 in my 6 point passing TD league, and I do believe I will be taking a QB with my 1st round pick. No doubt, Vick and Rodgers are gone when I pick. Brees probably will be gone too. I intend to take Brady over Rivers, Manning or Romo. And if Brees is there at 12, I just might take Brady over him too. Pats have a real bad taste in their mouth over last year's playoff loss to the Jets. For all the ### kicking they've done the past decade, they have not been to the Super Bowl since 2004. I do believe they get back there again this year. I also believe they are going to throttle more than a few teams this year.

 

[Da Man]

I seriously believe New England will be exhibiting "Shock and Awe" part 2 this year. This team is on a mission to not just beat oponents, but to destroy the competition as they did in 2007.....until the super bowl of course. I see Brady throwing a minimum of 40 TDs with upside assuming no missed time with injuries. I play in an auction format for the past 15 years, and as a New Englander the Pats are always overbid by the homers. In these 15 years I have had 2 Patriots...Welker last year and Brady in 2008 (for 8 minutes before he tore his ACL). I would love to have Brady on my team this year but I probably wont as he will go for crazy $$$.

Pass on him at your own peril...

 

[PhantomJB]

There are two separate issues here. One is drafting any QB in round 1 over stud RB's or WR's. That is primarily a function of scoring systems.

However, if the math works for a Round 1 QB, then the "wait on Brady to fall to you in the second round" strategy is flawed IMO. If you're thinking about it, so is someone else.

Personally, I have him #1 QB and won't hesitate to draft him as first QB off the board even if others have him lower. That offense is gonna be on fire the whole season and has so many interchangeable weapons it will be a DC's nightmare.

Trust your rankings and projections.

 

[zilladog]

Calvin/AJ/Fitz/Nicks in rd 1 (or stud rb if you choose) and then Rivers/Brees/Romo/manning/Brady in rd 2 is > Brady rd 1 and Austin/Wallace/Dez/or any other tier 2 or 3 wr in round 2 imo

 

[stbugs]

Yes, you are crazy. He won't outscore Rivers, Brees, or Rodgers.RodgersBreesRiversManninga few othersBrady

Huh??Why is he crazy thinking that Brady, who in 2010 had the most combined TDs of all QBs wouldn't outscore the guys you listed? In my league, which has the same 6pt per TD pass, Brady was the #2 QB with only 2 points less than Manning. Throw in the fact that we don't play week 17, Brady was actually the #1 QB for our season and most FF seasons. Vick and Rodgers had more PPG, but Rodgers had 3.8 points in weeks 14 and 15, which I am sure hurt some FF playoff teams.Hate to say it, but you are crazy for your statement. Outside of getting hurt for the season in 2008, Brady has been ranked 1st twice and 8th once in the last 3 years and the 8th place finish was the year after missing an entire season. Brees, Rivers and Manning have been solid the last few years, but only Rodgers has been better considering Brady's injury. Throw in the OP's comment about Vick and Rodgers missing games last year and I don't think he is crazy at all.I think considering the fact that Rodgers and Vick will probably be gone before Brady, I would definitely consider him in a QB heavy league next. I think he is a safe bet to finish at the top of the QBs and he could easily outscore everyone else, seeing as he has finished #1 according to FBGs in 2 of his last 3 healthy seasons.

 

[stbugs]

There are two separate issues here. One is drafting any QB in round 1 over stud RB's or WR's. That is primarily a function of scoring systems.However, if the math works for a Round 1 QB, then the "wait on Brady to fall to you in the second round" strategy is flawed IMO. If you're thinking about it, so is someone else. Personally, I have him #1 QB and won't hesitate to draft him as first QB off the board even if others have him lower. That offense is gonna be on fire the whole season and has so many interchangeable weapons it will be a DC's nightmare.Trust your rankings and projections.

In QB heavy leagues, the top QBs usually go before they should, but outside of Brady's 2008 season, how many of the top QBs have been "bad" picks? How many times in the last 4 years has selecting Rivers, Brees, Manning, Rodgers and Brady in the 1st (for a QB heavy league) lost a FF season. Brady's 2008 might be the only one. There are a whole lot more 1st round RBs and WRs selected that haven't performed.Look at the top 10 (my PPR rules) RBs and QBs in DD:Foster, Rice, McCoy, Peterson, Charles, CJohnson, McFadden, Forte, SJackson, Hillisvs.Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Romo, Rivers, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Stafford, SchaubSo, I would say 4 or 5 of the RBs were top 10 picks last year and probably 8 of the QBs were top 10 picks last year. Outside of injury, which could happen to locks like CJ and ADP as well, how many of the top 5-7 QBs would actually finish outside of the top 10 if they aren't injured? I would honestly say none of them will finish outside the top 10 if they aren't injured.

 

[stbugs]

Calvin/AJ/Fitz/Nicks in rd 1 (or stud rb if you choose) and then Rivers/Brees/Romo/manning/Brady in rd 2 is > Brady rd 1 and Austin/Wallace/Dez/or any other tier 2 or 3 wr in round 2 imo

I absolutely agree with this, but I will say that if you are thinking about grabbing a QB, I would definitely think about Brady this year over all of those listed (I am assuming Vick/Rodgers are done).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

If there is a RB or two you are completely sold on to be your RB#2 and to assuredly be available for you to take in round 3 or 4 or 5 (considering your wr/te positions also)... then yes, its fine to go with your gut instincts (evaluation) and take Brady in round 1.

You have to look at the end result and not just a single player in a vacuum.

 

[zilladog]

Calvin/AJ/Fitz/Nicks in rd 1 (or stud rb if you choose) and then Rivers/Brees/Romo/manning/Brady in rd 2 is > Brady rd 1 and Austin/Wallace/Dez/or any other tier 2 or 3 wr in round 2 imo

I absolutely agree with this, but I will say that if you are thinking about grabbing a QB, I would definitely think about Brady this year over all of those listed (I am assuming Vick/Rodgers are done).

I totally agree with this. I also believe Brady can be QB1 this year. But considering the fact that a) Good chance Brady is there in rd.2 and b) the quality of players at other positions in rd 1...I'd take my chances of Brady being there in rd.2 and "settle" for a different QB if he happens not to be there

 

[the spanker]

I'm in a 6pt all TD 12-man PPR league and in the same scenario. Every year guys draft QBs early and often like they are hanging dollars at a strip tease show.

I'm drafting at #11 and I've got Fitz and CJ targeted in the first round and would love to have Brady as my 2nd pick. This goes against my normal philosophy because I always take a RB in the 1st round but I'm tentative in selecting MJD or DMC who I know will be there.

So now the question is for everyone is it better to lock Brady up in the first when you know you'll still have a stud WR available (one of Nicks, White, CJ, or Fitz)? Or take MJD/DMC if they are there because RBs drop off a lot faster?

At #6 I couldn't take Brady that high myself. Guys like AJ, McCoy, or one of the top 5 (edited) stud Rbs could drop into your lap.

 

[LawFitz]

Drafted last night and ended up taking Rodgers at six. Brady went two picks later at eight. More than anything else this is an example of the importance of knowing your league, both in regards to scoring format and league mates' drafting tendencies. Vick went #1 overall. I knew that for my league at least there was no way I'd get Brady in round two. It was a very tough call between Rodgers and Brady for me.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yes, you are crazy. He won't outscore Rivers, Brees, or Rodgers.RodgersBreesRiversManninga few othersBrady

Not so sure about this. He put up great numbers last season with 2 rookies TEs and nobody at receiver.

 

[gump]

Drafted last night and ended up taking Rodgers at six. Brady went two picks later at eight. More than anything else this is an example of the importance of knowing your league, both in regards to scoring format and league mates' drafting tendencies. Vick went #1 overall. I knew that for my league at least there was no way I'd get Brady in round two. It was a very tough call between Rodgers and Brady for me.

I'm considering AR at #6....how did your WR and RB turn out?

 

[Dez]

Drafted last night and ended up taking Rodgers at six. Brady went two picks later at eight. More than anything else this is an example of the importance of knowing your league, both in regards to scoring format and league mates' drafting tendencies. Vick went #1 overall. I knew that for my league at least there was no way I'd get Brady in round two. It was a very tough call between Rodgers and Brady for me.

"knowing your league" so if they were all going to jump off a bridge you would jump 1st ?If I was in your league I would love to see all the QBs go that early and I would just gobble up the stud RBs and WRs and take a guy like Eli Manning later on who threw 31 TD's himself last year.Taking a QB early rarely ever pays off but I guess it works out when the rest of the league are sheep and all follow you and take a QB as well.My Minnesota league uses 6 pts per TD as well only a few times have I taken a QB in round 1 but that was back when the rules were when the league was nearly a TD only league giving very little pts for yards so it made a huge difference.Need to know your league rules to make a better argument for or against.

 

[Dez]

Can you drop us a link to your league site I would like to take a look at how the draft played it and all the rules. You really didn't even give us enuf info. How many teams ? What are your other scoring rules you only stated 6 pts per TD....is this TD only or is this 1 pt per 20 yards passing ? Is it PPR ? How many starting RBs/WRs/TEs/flexs do you use ?

Totally didn't give nearly enough.

Drop the link I will look it all up myself and I want to see how the draft went as well.

Thanks.

 

[Keith1]

Drafted last night and ended up taking Rodgers at six. Brady went two picks later at eight. More than anything else this is an example of the importance of knowing your league, both in regards to scoring format and league mates' drafting tendencies. Vick went #1 overall. I knew that for my league at least there was no way I'd get Brady in round two. It was a very tough call between Rodgers and Brady for me.

"knowing your league" so if they were all going to jump off a bridge you would jump 1st ?If I was in your league I would love to see all the QBs go that early and I would just gobble up the stud RBs and WRs and take a guy like Eli Manning later on who threw 31 TD's himself last year.Taking a QB early rarely ever pays off but I guess it works out when the rest of the league are sheep and all follow you and take a QB as well.

I have the 12 pick in my draft, and I am likely to go QB there. Say what you want about the wisdom of taking a QB early, every year--year after year (in my league at least), at least 3 of the 4 semi-final teams in our league playoffs have a stud QB. And no, I do not consider Eli Manning to be a stud QB.

 

[LawFitz]

10 team redraft league, start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/PK/Def

6 pts all TDs, 1pt per 25 pass yds or 10 rush/rec yds, 0.5 PPR

Took Fitzgerald at 2.5 and then traded my third and fourth rounders for the 2.6 and took McFadden.

My starting QB, RB, WR, TE:

Rodgers

McFadden

M. Ingram

Fitzgerald

Ochocinco

Julio Jones

Kendricks

 

[Dez]

10 team redraft league, start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/PK/Def6 pts all TDs, 1pt per 25 pass yds or 10 rush/rec yds, 0.5 PPRTook Fitzgerald at 2.5 and then traded my third and fourth rounders for the 2.6 and took McFadden. My starting QB, RB, WR, TE:RodgersMcFaddenM. IngramFitzgeraldOchocincoJulio JonesKendricks

Do you play on MFL ? If so can you drop the link to your draft ?

 

[LawFitz]

Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

1 M. Vick A. Foster A. Peterson Ray Rice j charles A Rodgers Ch Johnson T. Brady L. McCoy R. Mendenhall

2 M. J. Drew V. Jackson Greg Jennings Philip Rivers Team 6: mcfadden L Fitzgerald Cal Johnson S. Jackson R. White A Johnson

3 M. Forte D. Brees Michael Turner DeSean Jackson h nicks Team 5: r wayne MIke Wallace F. Gore P. Manning A Bradshaw

4 M. Williams TB J. Finley J. Witten Shonn Greene blount Team 5: romo Dallas Clark P. Hillis M. Austin A Gates

5 D. Bryant D. Bowe S. Holmes Wes Welker p harvin Ochocinco R. Grant M. COlston F. Jones Anquan Boldin

6 B. Lloyd J. Best K. Moreno Ryan Matthews deangelo williams mark ingram M. Ryan b Marshall V. Davis M. Lynch

7 B. Rothlesberger S. JOhnson J. Maclin A. Collie tolbert Ju Jones K. Britt Lance moore P. Garcon MShaub

8 D. Thomas C. Benson S. Smith (car) j stewart d amendola Sam Bradford B. Wells Owen Daniels Steelers DEF M Crabtree

9 M. Lewis M. Manningham T. Hightower M. Floyd s moss W. McGahee MIke sims walker Benjarvius J. Nelson J. addai

10 NE DEF F. Jackson NYJ DEF Eagles Def Team 6: Michael Bush steven ridley Packers A. gonzalez P. Thomas eli manning

11 S. Rice M. THomas M. Cassell Flacco M. Stafford R. Cobb J. Freeman D. Sproles T. Choice Giants

12 R. Bush CJ. SPiller effing kolb plax jimmy graham jacoby ford B. Edwards R. Gronknowski TE J. Cutler Johnny Knox

13 H. Ward S. Janikowski B. Pettigrew B. Celek chargers D L Kendricks R. TOrain Nate Kaeding T. Gonzalez Brandon Jacobs

14 mason crosby NO DEF antonio brown r jennings greg olsen Jaguars R. Williams 49er Def S. Gostkowski Deion Branch

15 LT james straks ryan williams matt Bryant g hartley henry PHI K dan carpenter fitzpatrick aj green meachem

 

[LawFitz]

We did a live draft on a google spreadsheet that was being displayed on my buddy's big screen. The above shows the draft (albeit not well). It occurred in typical snake fashion without any reversals. Only trade was 2.6 and 10.6 for 3.5 and 4.5, which ended up being McFadden and S. Ridley for Wayne and Romo.

We use ESPN, so all of this will ultimately be entered manually by the commish. This is the tenth year for this league with 90% of the original guys still playing, though in the later rounds especially, you can see that a few of these guys are not FBGs.

 

[glumpy]

I play in a league that rewards 6 pts per passing TD and as a result stud QBs fly off the board early every year. I have never been afraid to take a Rd 1 QB or WR and this year is no different. Picking from the six slot, I originally had my sights set on Vick or Rodgers, but I'm actually starting to think the shark play is Brady.My reasoning is that he has as much upside as the other two, but with a lot less injury risk. I know many don't like to consider injury risk, but I always do. I account for playing style and surrounding cast and on both fronts I think Brady is much safer.Am I crazy to think so highly of Brady?

Yes you are crazy. Taking any QB at pick 6 = Crazy I don't care if you are getting 9 pts a TD pass.

I love blanket statements like this. I'm in a ten team with QB scoring equal to all other positions. Last year first round saw 5 QB's drafted along with the expected 5 RB's.At the end of the regular season two of the top three teams drafted QB first round; two of the bottom three drafted RB first round (me being one of them).

 

[lazyike]

One of my leagues we have 6 pts for passing TDs and QBs go off the board early but the trend is changing. I've won the championship 3 of the last 4 years and have yet to grab a QB in the 1st 4 rounds. I'll have to admit being lucky to get a QB that performs well (Cutler with Denver, Schaub with Houston, and got Vick off of waivers last year)I have no plans on taking a QB in the first 4 rounds unless one of the top 6 fall to me i.e Manning because of his inj concerns. If QBs go so quick take the value in stud RBs and stud WRs. I think the QBBC in perhaps like Stafford/Bradford can work well.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Why take him in the first when he's there in the 2nd, maybe even 3rd? Someone may swoop in but I haven't seen him go in the 1st yet. It's the old value equation, the drop off is a lot faster with RB's vs like a Schaub, Brees who should be still around. The one huge positive factor in having Brady is his consistency. A "bad" game seems to be 260/2.

260/2 is 22.4 points is a 6pt per TD league.Brady finished with less than that in 9 games last year.I get the point you're trying to make, but you're taking it a bit too far...

 

[Dez]

I play in a league that rewards 6 pts per passing TD and as a result stud QBs fly off the board early every year. I have never been afraid to take a Rd 1 QB or WR and this year is no different. Picking from the six slot, I originally had my sights set on Vick or Rodgers, but I'm actually starting to think the shark play is Brady.My reasoning is that he has as much upside as the other two, but with a lot less injury risk. I know many don't like to consider injury risk, but I always do. I account for playing style and surrounding cast and on both fronts I think Brady is much safer.Am I crazy to think so highly of Brady?

Yes you are crazy. Taking any QB at pick 6 = Crazy I don't care if you are getting 9 pts a TD pass.

I love blanket statements like this. I'm in a ten team with QB scoring equal to all other positions. Last year first round saw 5 QB's drafted along with the expected 5 RB's.At the end of the regular season two of the top three teams drafted QB first round; two of the bottom three drafted RB first round (me being one of them).

If I have a top 6 pick I am not wasting it on a QB.There are 6 stud RBs this year you grab 1 of them and your a leg up on the rest of the field.What is the difference between the top 7 QBs ? Not enough to make me waste a 1st round pick on one.Vick, Rogers, Rivers, Brady, P-Manning, Brees, Romo...take your pick. Give me the stud RB this year in the top 6 then give me one of those 7 QB's in round 2-3-4 whichever round they go.Is there really any difference between Rodgers and Rivers ? Vick gets your rushing yards if your scoring system is 1 per 10 then he jumps up a little but not enough to pass on a stud RB.So how is that a blanket statement ?

 

[CowboysHomer]

Anecdotal, but in a 12 team (4 points for passing TDs), had a draft today where Rodgers went #2, Vick #4.

I was happy to take Ray Rice at 6 (oh, and got Rivers on the way back)

 

[Judge Smails]

I play in a league that rewards 6 pts per passing TD and as a result stud QBs fly off the board early every year. I have never been afraid to take a Rd 1 QB or WR and this year is no different. Picking from the six slot, I originally had my sights set on Vick or Rodgers, but I'm actually starting to think the shark play is Brady.My reasoning is that he has as much upside as the other two, but with a lot less injury risk. I know many don't like to consider injury risk, but I always do. I account for playing style and surrounding cast and on both fronts I think Brady is much safer.Am I crazy to think so highly of Brady?

Yes you are crazy. Taking any QB at pick 6 = Crazy I don't care if you are getting 9 pts a TD pass.

I love blanket statements like this. I'm in a ten team with QB scoring equal to all other positions. Last year first round saw 5 QB's drafted along with the expected 5 RB's.At the end of the regular season two of the top three teams drafted QB first round; two of the bottom three drafted RB first round (me being one of them).

If I have a top 6 pick I am not wasting it on a QB.There are 6 stud RBs this year you grab 1 of them and your a leg up on the rest of the field.What is the difference between the top 7 QBs ? Not enough to make me waste a 1st round pick on one.Vick, Rogers, Rivers, Brady, P-Manning, Brees, Romo...take your pick. Give me the stud RB this year in the top 6 then give me one of those 7 QB's in round 2-3-4 whichever round they go.Is there really any difference between Rodgers and Rivers ? Vick gets your rushing yards if your scoring system is 1 per 10 then he jumps up a little but not enough to pass on a stud RB.So how is that a blanket statement ?

I really do think it hinges on the scoring system. Ours is a 6 point TD league with 5 point bonuses for over 300 yards (sure, we have the same for 100 yards for the other positions but the big QB's can hit it 50% of the time./ If you look at the last 4 years or so Manning, Brees, Rodgers and Rivers are pretty much getting an average of around 34 TD's and 4200 yards (ballpark). The next tier is much closer to 28 TD's and 3800 yards (if that). Hard for me to score Vick with the huge differential between the beginning of the year and the way he finished. Romo and Schaub haven't shown they are in the absolute top tier yet - still a cut below even in their best seasons. Either has Big Ben. Likely to be at 25-28 TD's and less than 4000 yards. The only other one that has the potential to get in that top tier is Eli. He has thrown for over 30 TD's and 4000 yards, just not consistently. He's the value IMO if you wait.P. Manning is a question mark with the neck injury. I think he'll get his but picks will go up with neck injury and timing issues. I do think some people are hesitant on Vick, especially after that 3 pick game right before the draft and the injury history. Some question marks on Brees with the injuries to his WR's. Sooooooooo, I think Rodgers, Brady and Rivers will fly off draft boards in these types of league. If you're going to draft them high, they are safe as you can get. Brees and Manning will still go high, as will Vick. Romo and Schaub will go after that. I still think it's better to wait on a QB, but if you must get one I rank them:RodgersBradyRiversBreesManningVickRomoSchaubRoethlisbergerElithen a slew of Ryan, Stafford,Freeman, Flacco - all probable 25 TD, 3500 yard guys that will be serviceable but not end up with elite #'s. (100+ point drop offs from top tier)