Forte: "I won't come back till I am 100%." (1 Viewer)

[GridironMenace]

Wish he tore his ACL?!?! I think you're taking this WAY TOO FAR! Forte is and has always been a team player. I personally believe he deserved a long term contract a year ago. They sign Roy Williams this offseason to a $1.5M (up to $2.5) and don't give Forte the kind of money that he deserves and has earned? I hope the Bears don't make the playoffs because of it! They made the same mistake that the Chargers made with Vincent Jackson, and it may end up costing them more money in the end. When a guy is that big a part of your offense, you do what it takes to keep them on your team for the period of time that they are productive. At 25, that could very well be another 5 years for Forte. Should they franchise him next year (which will likely happen) and he has another great year (yeah, I said great, not "good" like someone above, but also not "elite"), what then? You going to sign him to a long term contract after the 2012 season? It would likely have been cheaper to sign him long term earlier this season than to franchise him and then give him a deal a year later. A year from now Forte is going to say, "remember that big deal that D Will got? I vastly outperformed him, I want a bigger deal than that." What will Chicago do then?

Chicago will tag him AGAIN. The Bears will get Forte for the next 2 years guaranteed. At that point he will be 30 with a ton of wear on his tires. They will let him walk and move on to another HB. HB's are interchangeable in the NFL.

Yeah, reports say that he was offered $15M guaranteed - D Will got $21M guaranteed and CJ got $30M guaranteed the same week. Doesn't seem fair to me in that Forte has done more than D Will and is younger.

DWill was an UNRESTRICTED FA. Forte wasn't. Forte was UNDER CONTRACT. There is a difference dude. The Bears were extending him in an effort of good faith at the same deal that Gore got (because Gore was also UNDER contract). Gore accepted. Forte didn't. I'm not sure why this is hard to grasp. And this is the 2nd time I've said this. Please read my post(s). Thanks.

 

[Wadsworth]

Your sources are wrong. Forte wants $21+ million guaranteed. He was offered $15 million guaranteed. Basically Forte wants DeAngelo Williams money, not Frank Gore money. The difference? DeAngelo was out of contract and used that leverage to strike a payday. Gore was under contract and got an extension. If Forte was out of contract, he could easily break the bank. But he isn't out of contract. When you are under contract and ask for an extension, the team doesn't have to do it. If they are willing to do it, they would like to get something back, which is always less guaranteed money than they would have to pony up if the contract was expired. Forte would get more money than he is currently making and the team would get him signed at a little bit of a deal. Forte wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. Selfish. Wish he tore his ACL.

Note to Hang 10: here's what I meant by whiners.

So a guy that has played out his entire rookie contract, who has significantly outplayed the money he has received, chooses not to sign the deal the team offered him and your response is he is selfish and you wish he torn his ACL?I hope this is schtick but somehow I doubt it is.

 

[Chaka]

I'd come back with an agreement not to be franchised next year or with what I deem an acceptable long term contract. Is there any precedent for a mid/late season holdout? Obviously you have the injury here but let's say he's healthy and tomorrow he says "pay me fairly or refuse to franchise me, or I won't play". He takes a hit on reputation but financially he's only losing a few weeks salary if they suspend him. I assume he's already played enough to be credited with the year towards ending his contract. It seems like there are so few opportunities where a player is really in control...end of season push seems like one of them.

wow... I'd love to see a player pull that move... right after a huge game and right before a critical division game the team needs to help cement a playoff position. It would probably ruin the player's reputation in the locker room and around the league.

The locker room is 100% behind Forte. It's not going to change their opinion of Forte.

This is wrong. It would absolutely sway his teammates opinions, for the same reason why the players in Philly are hating on DeSean Jackson. You want to hold out, then feel free. But once you decide to accept a paycheck like everyone else, you better put forth 100% effort and stop whining. If you decide to pout and let your performance on the field dwindle because of your attitude over your contract situation, your teammates will quickly lose respect for you. Again, just look at DeSean Jackson.

Big difference. DeSean quit on the football field.also, check your numbers, and my sources say 15 is what Forte wants and he was offered 8 to 9.

Your sources are wrong. Forte wants $21+ million guaranteed. He was offered $15 million guaranteed. Basically Forte wants DeAngelo Williams money, not Frank Gore money. The difference? DeAngelo was out of contract and used that leverage to strike a payday. Gore was under contract and got an extension. If Forte was out of contract, he could easily break the bank. But he isn't out of contract. When you are under contract and ask for an extension, the team doesn't have to do it. If they are willing to do it, they would like to get something back, which is always less guaranteed money than they would have to pony up if the contract was expired. Forte would get more money than he is currently making and the team would get him signed at a little bit of a deal. Forte wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. Selfish. Wish he tore his ACL.

Good lord that is a horrible thing to say. In football it really doesn't get much worse than that. Sorry if your feelings got hurt because he may not be available to your fantasy team or if you're a Bears fan but that doesn't justify such a spiteful stance. You should be ashamed of that comment.He is in the last year of his rookie deal that he as dramatically outproduced. If he blew out the ACL the Bears would kick him to the curb without a second thought. He young, his best years are ahead of him, and most importantly he has earned a new contract.PAY THE MAN!

The Bears offered to 'pay the man'. $15 million. I have no sympathy for those who turn down such a ridiculous amount of money and then blow their ACL. None. Sure that would suck, but he can only blame himself if that were to happen.I just love it when players outperform their contract, they want a raise. But when their contract clearly overpays their production (ala CJ2K, Jamarcus Russell etc...) no one ever gives it back. Must be nice to drive down a 1-way street.

There is a HUGE difference between not feeling sympathy if it happens and wishing it upon them. Shameful on every level. You need to take a break from football if you take it that seriously.

 

[yoman]

Big difference. DeSean quit on the football field.also, check your numbers, and my sources say 15 is what Forte wants and he was offered 8 to 9.

Your sources are wrong. Forte wants $21+ million guaranteed. He was offered $15 million guaranteed. Basically Forte wants DeAngelo Williams money, not Frank Gore money. The difference? DeAngelo was out of contract and used that leverage to strike a payday. Gore was under contract and got an extension. If Forte was out of contract, he could easily break the bank. But he isn't out of contract. When you are under contract and ask for an extension, the team doesn't have to do it. If they are willing to do it, they would like to get something back, which is always less guaranteed money than they would have to pony up if the contract was expired. Forte would get more money than he is currently making and the team would get him signed at a little bit of a deal. Forte wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. Selfish. Wish he tore his ACL.

Good lord that is a horrible thing to say. In football it really doesn't get much worse than that. Sorry if your feelings got hurt because he may not be available to your fantasy team or if you're a Bears fan but that doesn't justify such a spiteful stance. You should be ashamed of that comment.He is in the last year of his rookie deal that he as dramatically outproduced. If he blew out the ACL the Bears would kick him to the curb without a second thought. He young, his best years are ahead of him, and most importantly he has earned a new contract.PAY THE MAN!

The Bears offered to 'pay the man'. $15 million. I have no sympathy for those who turn down such a ridiculous amount of money and then blow their ACL. None. Sure that would suck, but he can only blame himself if that were to happen.I just love it when players outperform their contract, they want a raise. But when their contract clearly overpays their production (ala CJ2K, Jamarcus Russell etc...) no one ever gives it back. Must be nice to drive down a 1-way street.

There is a HUGE difference between not feeling sympathy if it happens and wishing it upon them. Shameful on every level. You need to take a break from football if you take it that seriously.

Gridiron - I was actually with you until you called Forte selfish and wished him personal harm. That is bush league!! There is a certain point with contracts where there are diminishing returns for a team when looking to put a value on a player because it leaves them with less money to go after other needs. I am a Bears fan and don't think Forte is a top 5 RB but is immediately below that tier and is great in his own right at certain aspects of the game. Forte is also great for the style offense the Bears currently run. To those that say the Bears don't have a decent offensive line at least in terms of running the ball are wrong IMHO. Their line is better than most people think but Martz has brain cramps and in many cases has made the offense 1 dimensional, with 8 step drops where defenses have teed off on Cutler. Their line is not good enough to block for a Martz offense but there may only be a half dozen or so in the entire NFL that could and another 8-12 or so that would do a little better. Martz deserves his reputation as being a QB killer! They have really improved on their run blocking as evidenced by the recent success of Forte and Barber. I don't think he is worth CJ type of money and agree with the poster that said CJ isn't worth it either. The Bears should pay him like a top running back and 15-16 million guaranteed should not be viewed as an insult. I hope they can come to an agreement because I want Forte to stay.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Makes sense. IMHO he should've already held out. But no way I'd risk a career ending/severe diminishing knee injury without a new K.

 

[phrozen]

Wish he tore his ACL?!?! I think you're taking this WAY TOO FAR! Forte is and has always been a team player. I personally believe he deserved a long term contract a year ago. They sign Roy Williams this offseason to a $1.5M (up to $2.5) and don't give Forte the kind of money that he deserves and has earned? I hope the Bears don't make the playoffs because of it! They made the same mistake that the Chargers made with Vincent Jackson, and it may end up costing them more money in the end. When a guy is that big a part of your offense, you do what it takes to keep them on your team for the period of time that they are productive. At 25, that could very well be another 5 years for Forte. Should they franchise him next year (which will likely happen) and he has another great year (yeah, I said great, not "good" like someone above, but also not "elite"), what then? You going to sign him to a long term contract after the 2012 season? It would likely have been cheaper to sign him long term earlier this season than to franchise him and then give him a deal a year later. A year from now Forte is going to say, "remember that big deal that D Will got? I vastly outperformed him, I want a bigger deal than that." What will Chicago do then?

Chicago will tag him AGAIN. The Bears will get Forte for the next 2 years guaranteed. At that point he will be 30 with a ton of wear on his tires. They will let him walk and move on to another HB. HB's are interchangeable in the NFL.

Yeah, reports say that he was offered $15M guaranteed - D Will got $21M guaranteed and CJ got $30M guaranteed the same week. Doesn't seem fair to me in that Forte has done more than D Will and is younger.

DWill was an UNRESTRICTED FA. Forte wasn't. Forte was UNDER CONTRACT. There is a difference dude. The Bears were extending him in an effort of good faith at the same deal that Gore got (because Gore was also UNDER contract). Gore accepted. Forte didn't. I'm not sure why this is hard to grasp. And this is the 2nd time I've said this. Please read my post(s). Thanks.

SERIOUS BUSINESS ALERT

 

[sho nuff]

I'd come back with an agreement not to be franchised next year or with what I deem an acceptable long term contract. Is there any precedent for a mid/late season holdout? Obviously you have the injury here but let's say he's healthy and tomorrow he says "pay me fairly or refuse to franchise me, or I won't play". He takes a hit on reputation but financially he's only losing a few weeks salary if they suspend him. I assume he's already played enough to be credited with the year towards ending his contract. It seems like there are so few opportunities where a player is really in control...end of season push seems like one of them.

wow... I'd love to see a player pull that move... right after a huge game and right before a critical division game the team needs to help cement a playoff position. It would probably ruin the player's reputation in the locker room and around the league.

The locker room is 100% behind Forte. It's not going to change their opinion of Forte.

This is wrong. It would absolutely sway his teammates opinions, for the same reason why the players in Philly are hating on DeSean Jackson. You want to hold out, then feel free. But once you decide to accept a paycheck like everyone else, you better put forth 100% effort and stop whining. If you decide to pout and let your performance on the field dwindle because of your attitude over your contract situation, your teammates will quickly lose respect for you. Again, just look at DeSean Jackson.

DJax is loafing it now waiting to get paid.Forte showed up and played his ### off and took a helmet to the knee and saw his career flash before his eyes.If you think the players in Chicago don't understand what Forte is going through and don't support him, you are nuts.

 

[sho nuff]

Your sources are wrong. Forte wants $21+ million guaranteed. He was offered $15 million guaranteed. Basically Forte wants DeAngelo Williams money, not Frank Gore money. The difference? DeAngelo was out of contract and used that leverage to strike a payday. Gore was under contract and got an extension. If Forte was out of contract, he could easily break the bank. But he isn't out of contract. When you are under contract and ask for an extension, the team doesn't have to do it. If they are willing to do it, they would like to get something back, which is always less guaranteed money than they would have to pony up if the contract was expired. Forte would get more money than he is currently making and the team would get him signed at a little bit of a deal. Forte wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. Selfish. Wish he tore his ACL.

Im sure you have taken a beating on this already...and you should.To wish a guy would tear an ACL because he showed up...played hard til he injurred his knee and is now rehabbing is selfish? Are you kidding?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I just love it when players outperform their contract, they want a raise. But when their contract clearly overpays their production (ala CJ2K, Jamarcus Russell etc...) no one ever gives it back. Must be nice to drive down a 1-way street.

Boy is this an ignorant statement. Players contracts can be terminated at anytime. And frequently are.

 

[Power Monster]

I'd come back with an agreement not to be franchised next year or with what I deem an acceptable long term contract. Is there any precedent for a mid/late season holdout? Obviously you have the injury here but let's say he's healthy and tomorrow he says "pay me fairly or refuse to franchise me, or I won't play". He takes a hit on reputation but financially he's only losing a few weeks salary if they suspend him. I assume he's already played enough to be credited with the year towards ending his contract. It seems like there are so few opportunities where a player is really in control...end of season push seems like one of them.

wow... I'd love to see a player pull that move... right after a huge game and right before a critical division game the team needs to help cement a playoff position. It would probably ruin the player's reputation in the locker room and around the league.

The locker room is 100% behind Forte. It's not going to change their opinion of Forte.

This is wrong. It would absolutely sway his teammates opinions, for the same reason why the players in Philly are hating on DeSean Jackson. You want to hold out, then feel free. But once you decide to accept a paycheck like everyone else, you better put forth 100% effort and stop whining. If you decide to pout and let your performance on the field dwindle because of your attitude over your contract situation, your teammates will quickly lose respect for you. Again, just look at DeSean Jackson.

Big difference. DeSean quit on the football field.also, check your numbers, and my sources say 15 is what Forte wants and he was offered 8 to 9.

Your sources are wrong. Forte wants $21+ million guaranteed. He was offered $15 million guaranteed. Basically Forte wants DeAngelo Williams money, not Frank Gore money. The difference? DeAngelo was out of contract and used that leverage to strike a payday. Gore was under contract and got an extension. If Forte was out of contract, he could easily break the bank. But he isn't out of contract. When you are under contract and ask for an extension, the team doesn't have to do it. If they are willing to do it, they would like to get something back, which is always less guaranteed money than they would have to pony up if the contract was expired. Forte would get more money than he is currently making and the team would get him signed at a little bit of a deal. Forte wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. Selfish. Wish he tore his ACL.

Wish he tore his ACL. Wow! Quite lame dude.

 

[jackdubl]

Gridiron, I'm sure if you take it back and chalk it up to momentary thread crazies, all will be forgiven.

 

[matttyl]

Chicago will tag him AGAIN. The Bears will get Forte for the next 2 years guaranteed. At that point he will be 30 with a ton of wear on his tires. They will let him walk and move on to another HB. HB's are interchangeable in the NFL.DWill was an UNRESTRICTED FA. Forte wasn't. Forte was UNDER CONTRACT. There is a difference dude. The Bears were extending him in an effort of good faith at the same deal that Gore got (because Gore was also UNDER contract). Gore accepted. Forte didn't. I'm not sure why this is hard to grasp. And this is the 2nd time I've said this. Please read my post(s). Thanks.

First, I've read your posts. Secondly, Forte is currently 25. In two years he'll be 27, not 30. Your lack of math skills are right up there with your lack of class displayed toward an NFL player who's doing what in his control to maximize his earning potential, something many of us do in the real world on a daily basis. Further, at that point he will be 27 with just under 6 years of NFL wear on his tires (due to likely not finishing out this current season). 6 years of service in the NFL as a RB doesn't mean your washed up. Frank Gore who you mentioned above, had 6 years in the NFL when he was offered a larger contract extension this past offseason than Forte was. D Will had 5 injury plagued NFL seasons, and he was given a much higher contract extension than what Forte was offered. Peterson had only 4 seasons with various injuries here and there, and that didn't stop the Vikings from signing the 26 year old to a new 7 year deal.Players who are UNDER CONTRACT are often signed to big money long term extension deals, happens all the time, and I don't know of many players in the NFL than Forte who deserved that honor more this past offseason. And even if we follow your logic - as the Bears would you be ok with spending $16-$18M to "rent" Matt Forte for the next two seasons only (and that's fully guaranteed money by the way) - or pay him just under twice that much spread out over the next 6 years or so (and for business purposes be able to "walk away" from the deal at any time by cutting him if you wanted to) to "own" him over very possibly the most productive years of his career. Here's a hint while you're thinking about that answer - the Bears went 7-3 with a healthy QB and RB. Had they swapped out Forte for Barber over that stretch, I doubt they would have gone .500. They beat Carolina by only 5 when Forte had 225+ yards and a TD in week 4. They beat Tampa by 6 when he had 180+ yards and a TD in week 7, and they beat Philly by only 6 when he had 150 yards. Three of his biggest games were in their 3 closest wins. You can't tell me he's worth every bit of $20M guaranteed over a long term deal.........

 

[krsone21]

why do people hate Forte?

I have no idea, I love the guy. I think he is a great player. I guess carrying your team on the offensive side of the ball doesn't mean what it use too.

 

[phillybirds]

I bet the guy would be more likely to come back at less than 100% if he had a contract.

Since he doesn't, he might as well just "not be 100%" the rest of the season.

 

[phillybirds]

If you decide to pout and let your performance on the field dwindle because of your attitude over your contract situation, your teammates will quickly lose respect for you. Again, just look at DeSean Jackson.

I don't get the impression that teammates are losing respect for DeSean. In fact, I think he likely has support from most of the players who understand his situation. And, I wouldn't be surprised if it's caused a lack of respect from some of the Eagles players towards management.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

"President of the Chris Yandek Fan Club"

 

[phillybirds]

So, in other words, Forte is a selfish player who only cares about himself. To hell with his teamates and their superbowl aspirations.

No, in other words, the organization is greedy and care only about money, to hell with superbowl aspirations.

 

[Football Jones]

Can't blame Forte on this one. He's the best all-around RB in the NFL & basically carries their offense by himself most of the time. Look out if they get some receivers & a little better line play. This dude could set an FF points record. What he's done on that team for the amount of help (or non-help) he's had is simply amazing.

Forte is injured. Period. I tend to think he'll come back when he can protect himself, but I have absolutely no problem with what he said. In fact, good for him.

 

[sho nuff]

If you decide to pout and let your performance on the field dwindle because of your attitude over your contract situation, your teammates will quickly lose respect for you. Again, just look at DeSean Jackson.

I don't get the impression that teammates are losing respect for DeSean. In fact, I think he likely has support from most of the players who understand his situation. And, I wouldn't be surprised if it's caused a lack of respect from some of the Eagles players towards management.

Not sure about what the Eagles players say...but listening to former players on the topic...they are not happy with Desean.If you show up...you better play and play hard is their feeling.They understand if you hold out...they understand if you are hurt (like Forte).But have said if you do show up...you better not loaf it...and many feel he is.Not to say its like that in that locker room though.

 

[Shutout]

I would do the same thing. Don't comeback this year for them cheap ### bastards.

There is a lot of ignorance being spilled in this thread, including the above quoted post. The Bears offered Forte an extension of $15 million guaranteed and $2.5 million per year, for 4 years, before the seasons started. That is a VERY fair and generous offer considering the fact that Forte is still under contract.

The question becoems why would he want that contract? He has shown how productive he can be. Someone will pay him very well if he is allowed to walk. If he is franchised, he will get more money because of the crazy contracts signed this year.

Well we can talk about the numbers. If he gets franchised next year, the tag will bring him $7.75 million. If he gets tagged again in 2013, the number is going to be about $8.75-$9.25 million. So it will net him about $16.5 million (on the high end) in guaranteed money before he hits unrestricted FA in 2014. The Bears were willing to give him $15 million. That is a $1.5 million difference that Forte is giving up. What risk is Forte taking on over that $1.5 million and why should Forte have signed that deal? That he will stay healthy in 2011, 2012 and 2013. The fact that Forte will be 30 when he is unrestricted. The fact that he will have 3 more years of wear and tear on his body. That is why Forte should have taken the contract. Forte got dumb advice.

Looks like you got other fires to put out so I'll be quick:Forte won't be a s old as you suggest at that time and the three years makes a big difference.Overall, we are talking about guaranteed money on long term deals and that is the part that makes sense for Forte. Signing a long-term deal with guarantees gives him some protection against "what if he hurts himself on the very first play of that contract?" Unfortunately, we have seen it far too often that if he becomes damaged good, a player's earning potential is gone and teams move on. So, as a player who has earned it, he needs to secure himself financially.You can't assume and tally a $16.5M number using the franchise tags the next few years because we all know if he goes out and hurts himself badly next year, there is no 2nd franchise tag. So, while $7-8M is a large amount of money for sure, it pales in comparison to what any RB of his caliber has been signing for in guarantees in recent history.

 

[matttyl]

In fact, great posting. You can't, rather Forte can't, assume that he'll get franchised the 2nd time in 2013 as that's assuming another very good/great year with no major injuries next year.

In fact, you really can't even assume the first $7.7M franchise amount for 2012 against the "$15M" deal he was offered at the beginning of this season as you're assuming the same thing....another very good/great year with no major injuries over the 2011 season....the first part of which did in fact occur, the second part of which nearly didn't.

 

[jackdubl]

Not sure about what the Eagles players say...but listening to former players on the topic...they are not happy with Desean.If you show up...you better play and play hard is their feeling.They understand if you hold out...they understand if you are hurt (like Forte).But have said if you do show up...you better not loaf it...and many feel he is.Not to say its like that in that locker room though.

I heard Marcellus Wiley, Columbia graduate, say the other morning that all you get when you leave the game are two M's, the Money and the Memories. Then he said he regretted some of the football decisions he had made, ie, coming back soon from injuries to help out his team, instead of treating them as business decisions because they definitely shortened his career over the long run.

 

[RUSF18]

^ Believe that was Cris Carter, unless I heard Mike and Mike say it wrong.

 

[Wadsworth]

So, in other words, Forte is a selfish player who only cares about himself. To hell with his teamates and their superbowl aspirations.

Forte is a player who is currently in his prime playing at the top level of his position in a multi-billion dollar industry for 500k a year. He is still playing on his rookie contract which has grossly under-compensated him for his production and has never held out for a better deal. Now a handful of games short of becoming a free agent he hurts his knee and states that he is not coming back until he is 100%. You call that selfish, I call that smart. If he comes back early and blows his knee up are his now former teammates going to take up a collection and pay him $10m? Should he be more concerned about his current teammates than he is about the future well being of his wife, kids and grand kids?

This team loyalty talk is rubbish. The team will turn on you as soon as it is to their benefit. As a player it is your job to maximize your earnings in a very small window of time not only for yourself but for your family. Any man who chooses the well being of his teammates over the well being of his family is not to be honored.

It is the same old North Dallas Forty argument. "Every time we call it a game, you call it a business. Every time we call it a business, you call it a game."

 

[sho nuff]

Not sure about what the Eagles players say...but listening to former players on the topic...they are not happy with Desean.If you show up...you better play and play hard is their feeling.They understand if you hold out...they understand if you are hurt (like Forte).But have said if you do show up...you better not loaf it...and many feel he is.Not to say its like that in that locker room though.

I heard Marcellus Wiley, Columbia graduate, say the other morning that all you get when you leave the game are two M's, the Money and the Memories. Then he said he regretted some of the football decisions he had made, ie, coming back soon from injuries to help out his team, instead of treating them as business decisions because they definitely shortened his career over the long run.

I think it was Carter that said it first...then Wiley backed that up and agreed.It all depends on the situation...IMO...had Forte not shown his worth earlier in the year...he would try to come back quicker to prove it before the end of the year.but he has proven it...and I don't blame players for being a little selfish...especially when it comes to your knee...and how it easily could lead to worse things if he is not 100%.

 

[Tau837]

So, in other words, Forte is a selfish player who only cares about himself. To hell with his teamates and their superbowl aspirations.

No, in other words, the organization is greedy and care only about money, to hell with superbowl aspirations.

Super bowl aspirations

 

[Tau837]

Selfish. Wish he tore his ACL.

You're coming off about as poorly in this discussion as possible, and you seem to be a terrible fan.

 

[jackdubl]

Not sure about what the Eagles players say...but listening to former players on the topic...they are not happy with Desean.If you show up...you better play and play hard is their feeling.They understand if you hold out...they understand if you are hurt (like Forte).But have said if you do show up...you better not loaf it...and many feel he is.Not to say its like that in that locker room though.

I heard Marcellus Wiley, Columbia graduate, say the other morning that all you get when you leave the game are two M's, the Money and the Memories. Then he said he regretted some of the football decisions he had made, ie, coming back soon from injuries to help out his team, instead of treating them as business decisions because they definitely shortened his career over the long run.

I think it was Carter that said it first...then Wiley backed that up and agreed.It all depends on the situation...IMO...had Forte not shown his worth earlier in the year...he would try to come back quicker to prove it before the end of the year.but he has proven it...and I don't blame players for being a little selfish...especially when it comes to your knee...and how it easily could lead to worse things if he is not 100%.

Carter's saying, Wiley's story about regret.

 

[shuke]

Any news?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Any news?

I have heard nothing yet.Only news I have is Barber just cost the Bears 1 win so far.Anti up and pay the man his due.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Any news?

I have heard nothing yet.Only news I have is Barber just cost the Bears 1 win so far.

Anti up and pay the man his due.

down?

 

[ponchsox]

I thought this was a new thread. When I saw this I figured he's never coming back.

 

[matttyl]

Very interesting thread to bump, and I wonder if he'll have the same feelings this time.

 

[Shutout]

How long will Forte hold out this time? After all, his mantra in life is "I'm not coming back until I'm 100%"

Different situation. At the time of that post, he had no long term contract. Right now, he's just a guy who is hurt. I don't think it plays this time.

 

[[icon]]

How long will Forte hold out this time? After all, his mantra in life is "I'm not coming back until I'm 100%"

Different situation. At the time of that post, he had no long term contract. Right now, he's just a guy who is hurt. I don't think it plays this time.

What a silly bump.

 

[Buffaloes]

why did this thread and the R Jennings injury thread from last year get bumped?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

didnt he just get paid?

But yeah usually you dont come back from an ankle sprain unless you are 100%

 

[flc735]

why did this thread and the R Jennings injury thread from last year get bumped?

Because there's bad people in this world, Buffaloes.

 

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Because a tiger don't change his stripes. Matt Forte has always been about looking after Matt Forte.

If you say so....

 

[Chaka]

Because a tiger don't change his stripes. Matt Forte has always been about looking after Matt Forte.

Yeah, he should be looking out for my fantasy team.What a jerk.

 

[shnikies]

I'm a Bears fan and after watching him play through an MCL sprain during the 2009 season, I hope he doesn't come back until he's 100% and then some (103.4%). #HeWasAwful