Forte: Sell or Hold? (1 Viewer)

[Saint]

Seen lots of discussion on McFadden, but wondering about Forte. Looking at Forte, through 3 weeks, he has had the following stats:

WK 1 (DET): 17/50 (Avg 2.9 yds), 7/151 recv and 2 TDs

WK 2 (@DAL): 10/29 (Avg 2.9 yds), 5/37 recv and 1 TD

WK 3 (GB): 11/29 (Avg 2.6 yds), 2/14 recv

Forte has yet to score a rushing TD. GB obviously shut him down, but is this just because GB played Defense that well or do we think that now the teams are going to shut him down?

In looking at their upcoming schedule:

Wk 4: @NYG

Wk 5: @CAR

Wk 6: SEA

Wk 7: WAS

Wk 8: ----- BYE ------

Wk 9: @BUF

Wk 10: MIN

Wk 11: MIA

Wk 12: PHI

Wk 13: @DET

Wk 14: NE

Wk 15: MIN

Wk 16: NYJ

He seems to have a pretty good schedule up to Week 9, but then it gets brutal down the stretch. So how do you guys think he performs? Is he a RB2 or FLEX? If you would sell... when would you sell him for? I'm currently thinking that the sell time on this guy is after WK 5 at CAR.

 

[D_House]

I'd like to hear what Bears homers have to say about how Forte has looked in games. Is the low yardage per carry a result of poor line play or poor running by Matt? If it's the line, is there any chance for some personnel changes that might improve their run blocking?

 

[The_Underachiever]

I'd like to hear what Bears homers have to say about how Forte has looked in games. Is the low yardage per carry a result of poor line play or poor running by Matt? If it's the line, is there any chance for some personnel changes that might improve their run blocking?

Not a Bears homer, but I would have tried to sell high after game 1 and 2.

 

[RUSF18]

Was lucky to sell after week 1 to the Grant owner for a massive QB upgrade. Without that possibility I would have ended up holding on to him. I feel like most people already have his week 1 performance as an afterthought after some of the other big numbers put up in the last couple weeks (and his W1 was overshadowed by Foster). NYG hasn't been good against the run; if he rebounds this week I would consider selling, SEA has done nicely at times and it may be difficult to trade him heading into his bye.

 

[DLR]

I'm not a Bears homer but I have Forte and have watched 2 of his games and (DET & GB) and I have to say its at least primarily the o-line. There seems to be no openings for him, he gets hit in the backfield and has been stuffed on the goal line like 6 times this season and the line is getting no push for him there. I see little changing in his rushing (barring some personnel change) 20-60 yds would probably be what you can expect depending on their match up. You just have to pray that he gets involved in the passing game which as you can see is unpredictable at this point. Add on top of that murderers row in the playoffs he probably would be a sell high the next time he gets a receiving TD.

 

[NeverEnough]

I just acquired him in a package trade. I essentially sent Addai packing in return for Forte in a non-ppr redraft. I feel good about it.

 

[DLR]

It also depends on what your expectations are of him.

He was my RB3 with Grant and Foster as my 1 & 2's ahead of him. I was perfectly fine with him being slightly mediocre in that role of bye week fill in, match up start, and just general depth RB. After Grant going down on my team Forte became my RB2 and I was completely uncomfortable with that, even after his week one performance. I knew he was going to have plenty of performances coming like he did against Green Bay so I went out and got McFadden.

If he is behind a couple solid RB's on your team I think you're fine. If you need him to be your RB2 or God forbid your RB1 you may want to figure something out.

 

[jude]

This guy isn't all that good even if he had a good offensive line. I think people need to stop kidding themselves about this guy. He is a plodder who happens to have decent hands.

As far as I can see, he has had one good receiving game this year (game 1) when he went off for 7/151/2. I am not discounting this effort. it was a nice game, but don;t target him in trades becuase of it. It is certainly blurring your vision.

His 3 games YPC average is as follows:

2.94

2.90

2.63

As if this wasn't bad enough, those defenses are ranked 7th, 18th and 32nd in yards allowed per game.

Unless you play PPR, I wouldn't target this guy.

 

[switz]

I just acquired him in a package trade. I essentially sent Addai packing in return for Forte in a non-ppr redraft. I feel good about it.

Ouch... Well, at least you feel good right now

 

[NeverEnough]

I just acquired him in a package trade. I essentially sent Addai packing in return for Forte in a non-ppr redraft. I feel good about it.

Ouch... Well, at least you feel good right now

Addia has done nothing & is hurt. I was hurting @ RB. I got Fitz in the deal as well. :(

 

[switz]

I'm not a Bears homer but I have Forte and have watched 2 of his games and (DET & GB) and I have to say its at least primarily the o-line. There seems to be no openings for him, he gets hit in the backfield and has been stuffed on the goal line.

That's not the OL. Thats Forte being a slow RB. When are the excuses going to stop for him? He had a terrible YPC as a rookie, and only had good FF value due to insane opportunity. After that season a lot of people said his opportunity wasn't going to stay so high with such a low YPC. Lo and behold, last year, again a sucky YPC and opps went down. Forte lovers blamed it on injury. Now this year, again crappy YPC, opps again going down, and the team brought in Taylor. Now you want to say it's the OL? Puh-leaze... It's not the OL, it's Forte.

 

[jbz]

I would wait until another good game then sell. His playoff schedule is naaaaasty.

 

[switz]

I just acquired him in a package trade. I essentially sent Addai packing in return for Forte in a non-ppr redraft. I feel good about it.

Ouch... Well, at least you feel good right now

Addia has done nothing & is hurt. I was hurting @ RB. I got Fitz in the deal as well. :(

If it was purely Addai for Forte & Fitz, nice trade. But the way you initially posted it But I'm looking at it from a long term point of view, and you're looking at it from a better perspective knowing your team, league, etc.I'm just higher on Addai than Forte.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Haha, it wouldn't be a Forte thread without a lot of nonsense from switz.

Yes, the Bears brought in Taylor...who also has a horrible YPC: 2.75. But it's not the O-Line, right?

What Forte does out of the backfield as a pass catcher cannot be ignored. Right now, he is on pace to catch nearly 80 balls and go over 1,000 receiving yards. I mean, if we are gonna trash his YPC, then we have to look at the whole picture and talk about his receiving stats, too, since they are just as important when gauging how good a RB is, right?

Besides, it is obvious to anyone with two eyes that Forte was hurt last year. He has a lot more burst and speed this year. No, he is not an upper tier NFL RB, but he can be a good one, and can definitely be a high-performing fantasy RB, as he proved in 2008 and is proving again this year.

 

[Rounders]

Homer here, that's not a huge fan of Forte.

His problems are solely on the shoulders on his line. Forte has looked quick this year, faster and quicker than years past. Last year he was hurt and you can see that now. But our OL is terrible. Worst in the league, terrible. They can not run block at all. Forte's value is all in the passing game. I would not expect many rushing yards from him, but they will run dump offs and screens to him all year long. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends the year with about 1800 total yards and about 1200 coming through the air (yes that's an exaggeration, but you get the point)

 

[NeverEnough]

I just acquired him in a package trade. I essentially sent Addai packing in return for Forte in a non-ppr redraft. I feel good about it.

Ouch... Well, at least you feel good right now

Addia has done nothing & is hurt. I was hurting @ RB. I got Fitz in the deal as well.

If it was purely Addai for Forte & Fitz, nice trade. But the way you initially posted it :X But I'm looking at it from a long term point of view, and you're looking at it from a better perspective knowing your team, league, etc.I'm just higher on Addai than Forte.

This was redraft.

 

[qimqam]

I'm an owner and just started shopping him today.

I was wearing blinders until I looked at his numbers ... take away 1 play and they are beyond dreadful

My only reservation is whether Martz is going to continue to improve the offense and continue to get him the ball. Regardless his playoff schedule sux.

Regarding the problem being the O'line or Forte... Chester Taylor has put up equally bad numbers.

 

[switz]

Haha, it wouldn't be a Forte thread without a lot of nonsense from switz.

Yes, the Bears brought in Taylor...who also has a horrible YPC: 2.75. But it's not the O-Line, right?

What Forte does out of the backfield as a pass catcher cannot be ignored. Right now, he is on pace to catch nearly 80 balls and go over 1,000 receiving yards. I mean, if we are gonna trash his YPC, then we have to look at the whole picture and talk about his receiving stats, too, since they are just as important when gauging how good a RB is, right?

Besides, it is obvious to anyone with two eyes that Forte was hurt last year. He has a lot more burst and speed this year. No, he is not an upper tier NFL RB, but he can be a good one, and can definitely be a high-performing fantasy RB, as he proved in 2008 and is proving again this year.

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?And no, receiving is not a big component of how good an RB is... It certainly doesn't outweigh whether the guy can run well or not. That's why they are called runningbacks. Forte is a crappy running back. If receiving was a large component on how to gauge an RB, Larry Centers would have been a starter, and guys like Adrian Peterson would be on the bench.

BtW, how is he proving to be an upper tier FF RB this year? One good game doesn't make a season.

 

[Concept Coop]

Haha, it wouldn't be a Forte thread without a lot of nonsense from switz.

Yes, the Bears brought in Taylor...who also has a horrible YPC: 2.75. But it's not the O-Line, right?

What Forte does out of the backfield as a pass catcher cannot be ignored. Right now, he is on pace to catch nearly 80 balls and go over 1,000 receiving yards. I mean, if we are gonna trash his YPC, then we have to look at the whole picture and talk about his receiving stats, too, since they are just as important when gauging how good a RB is, right?

Besides, it is obvious to anyone with two eyes that Forte was hurt last year. He has a lot more burst and speed this year. No, he is not an upper tier NFL RB, but he can be a good one, and can definitely be a high-performing fantasy RB, as he proved in 2008 and is proving again this year.

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?And no, receiving is not a big component of how good an RB is... It certainly doesn't outweigh whether the guy can run well or not. That's why they are called runningbacks. Forte is a crappy running back. If receiving was a large component on how to gauge an RB, Larry Centers would have been a starter, and guys like Adrian Peterson would be on the bench.

BtW, how is he proving to be an upper tier FF RB this year? One good game doesn't make a season.

Receiving is not a big component? That is a very blanket, very wrong statement. Especially in fantasy football. One amazing game, one average game, and one bad game. We are 3 games in. Overreacting to the negative is just as bad as overreacting to the positive.

Edit: One bad game doesn't make a season either. If he scored the points that he did week 2, every week, he would be an upper level FF RB.

 

[Saint]

I would wait until another good game then sell. His playoff schedule is naaaaasty.

That's exactly what I am thinking. I think Forte has value in PPR, but even so, I think the time to dump this guy is after Week 5 (Carolina). He should have a great game.. After that game I think he declines... once people look at his schedule after the BYE, I don't think you'll get nearly the value for him.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm not a Bears homer but I have Forte and have watched 2 of his games and (DET & GB) and I have to say its at least primarily the o-line. There seems to be no openings for him, he gets hit in the backfield and has been stuffed on the goal line.

That's not the OL. Thats Forte being a slow RB. When are the excuses going to stop for him? He had a terrible YPC as a rookie, and only had good FF value due to insane opportunity. After that season a lot of people said his opportunity wasn't going to stay so high with such a low YPC. Lo and behold, last year, again a sucky YPC and opps went down. Forte lovers blamed it on injury. Now this year, again crappy YPC, opps again going down, and the team brought in Taylor. Now you want to say it's the OL? Puh-leaze... It's not the OL, it's Forte.

Chicago's OL is the problem....do you watch the games Switz....I do.Chester can't run....and no other RB can either. Not last year(outside of K. Bell's first run in the NFL) the year before and the year before that. It's a trend that Jerry Angelo ignores. He has invested two high draft picks into the Bears OL(Chris Williams and Marc Columbo). Columbo hardly contributed due to injures. The rest of the OL has been put together from earlier regimes(Olin Kreutz 1998 draft), Free Agency(John Tait, Rueben Brown, Orlando Pace, Kevin Shaffer, Roberto Garza, etc). So as you can see not a lot of efforts have been put into the OL...which makes it difficult for the offense to be productive. Is that why Thomas Jones has been more productive since leaving Chicago? Cedric Benson as well??? What about QB...Kyle Orton...I wonder if Rex Grossman would've been with a good OL.

 

[sandlotshrink]

This is a guy who plays in Martz's system and has the potential to put up good numbers. Bash him if you want, but the reality is, he is the RB1, not Taylor and has the potential to score on any given week. He may not put up the rushing numbers you require out of the RB slot, but YAC and td's do count for something. Given the RB situation in the NFl and fantasy this year, he is definitely an RB 3 at worst.

 

[FallenHero32]

I'm not a Bears homer but I have Forte and have watched 2 of his games and (DET & GB) and I have to say its at least primarily the o-line. There seems to be no openings for him, he gets hit in the backfield and has been stuffed on the goal line.

That's not the OL. Thats Forte being a slow RB. When are the excuses going to stop for him? He had a terrible YPC as a rookie, and only had good FF value due to insane opportunity. After that season a lot of people said his opportunity wasn't going to stay so high with such a low YPC. Lo and behold, last year, again a sucky YPC and opps went down. Forte lovers blamed it on injury. Now this year, again crappy YPC, opps again going down, and the team brought in Taylor. Now you want to say it's the OL? Puh-leaze... It's not the OL, it's Forte.

Chicago's OL is the problem....do you watch the games Switz....I do.Chester can't run....and no other RB can either. Not last year(outside of K. Bell's first run in the NFL) the year before and the year before that. It's a trend that Jerry Angelo ignores. He has invested two high draft picks into the Bears OL(Chris Williams and Marc Columbo). Columbo hardly contributed due to injures. The rest of the OL has been put together from earlier regimes(Olin Kreutz 1998 draft), Free Agency(John Tait, Rueben Brown, Orlando Pace, Kevin Shaffer, Roberto Garza, etc). So as you can see not a lot of efforts have been put into the OL...which makes it difficult for the offense to be productive. Is that why Thomas Jones has been more productive since leaving Chicago? Cedric Benson as well??? What about QB...Kyle Orton...I wonder if Rex Grossman would've been with a good OL.

Watching the games make me cringe. At a certain point, we might as well just have the center out there and put 9 wide with how effective our O-Line is. It always has been a concern of the Bears. Forte may be a talented back, he may not be. But with a crappy O-Line, we will not find out.

 

[Ballstein]

Forte boils down to A weak OFF LINE and...

LAST YEAR=HURT

THIS YEAR= NOT

 

[Ghost Rider]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

So, you think the Bears have lost in faith in his ability to be a pass-catching RB, hence the decline in his receptions every week? Even though his yards per catch average is 14.4? Really?

And no, receiving is not a big component of how good an RB is... It certainly doesn't outweigh whether the guy can run well or not. That's why they are called runningbacks. Forte is a crappy running back. If receiving was a large component on how to gauge an RB, Larry Centers would have been a starter, and guys like Adrian Peterson would be on the bench.

You can't be this obtuse. Unless you play in a league that doesn't give any PPR, a RB who rushes for 1,000 yards and has 500 receiving yards is more valuable than a RB who rushes for 1,300 yards and has 200 receiving yards, even though their yards from scrimmage are the same. Having a RB who is good out of the backfield catching passes adds a whole other dimension to an offense and makes it more difficult for defenses to game-plan for.

Forte is a monster in PPR leagues; 134 catches in 35 pro games is pretty darn good.

And if Larry Centers had played in an era where PPR leagues were as prevalent as they are now, yes, he would have been quite valuable. Not as valuable as a guy like Adrian Peterson (but you know that already, right), but still pretty valuable.

BtW, how is he proving to be an upper tier FF RB this year? One good game doesn't make a season.

He is on pace for 1,653 total yards from scrimmage and 16 touchdowns. I am pretty sure that would place him pretty high on the final list, hence him being an upper tier fantasy RB, despite being an only average NFL RB (which many of us have already conceded he is). YPC is meaningless in FF. Yards, catches and TDs are what matter, and so far, Forte is putting up very good numbers in all three of those areas.

And for the record, I don't have Forte in any of the four leagues I am in this year.

 

[RAPTURE]

Buy!

 

[switz]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

So, you think the Bears have lost in faith in his ability to be a pass-catching RB, hence the decline in his receptions every week? Even though his yards per catch average is 14.4? Really?

And no, receiving is not a big component of how good an RB is... It certainly doesn't outweigh whether the guy can run well or not. That's why they are called runningbacks. Forte is a crappy running back. If receiving was a large component on how to gauge an RB, Larry Centers would have been a starter, and guys like Adrian Peterson would be on the bench.

You can't be this obtuse. Unless you play in a league that doesn't give any PPR, a RB who rushes for 1,000 yards and has 500 receiving yards is more valuable than a RB who rushes for 1,300 yards and has 200 receiving yards, even though their yards from scrimmage are the same. Having a RB who is good out of the backfield catching passes adds a whole other dimension to an offense and makes it more difficult for defenses to game-plan for.

Forte is a monster in PPR leagues; 134 catches in 35 pro games is pretty darn good.

And if Larry Centers had played in an era where PPR leagues were as prevalent as they are now, yes, he would have been quite valuable. Not as valuable as a guy like Adrian Peterson (but you know that already, right), but still pretty valuable.

BtW, how is he proving to be an upper tier FF RB this year? One good game doesn't make a season.

He is on pace for 1,653 total yards from scrimmage and 16 touchdowns. I am pretty sure that would place him pretty high on the final list, hence him being an upper tier fantasy RB, despite being an only average NFL RB (which many of us have already conceded he is). YPC is meaningless in FF. Yards, catches and TDs are what matter, and so far, Forte is putting up very good numbers in all three of those areas.

And for the record, I don't have Forte in any of the four leagues I am in this year.

You keep looking at pace, but you know that he's trending to finish much lower than that. We had an argument about Forte last year, and I was right - I'll be right again. ETA - FF production is all about opportunity, and Fortes is going to continue to diminish because he doesn't run well. That's the point.

 

[tommyGunZ]

ETA - FF production is all about opportunity, and Fortes is going to continue to diminish because he doesn't run well. That's the point.

My analysis is exactly the opposite - Forte will continue to be valuable because of opportunity. Who else is going to get touches in that backfield? Forte is clearly more talented and has superior physical skill at this point compared to Chester Taylor. And if you're looking at trends, Taylor's touches have gone from 12 in week 1, to 6 in week 2, to 3 in week 3. I don't think anyone's arguing that Forte is a top 5 talent, or even a top 5-10 back production wise. But assuming he gets 200 carries and 60+ catches (a conservative estimate at this point), he should have at least 1200 yards. And as the Bears primary and goal line back, 5-7 TDs over the next 13 games isn't outrageous.I see Forte as a solid RB2 play for 2010.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You keep looking at pace, but you know that he's trending to finish much lower than that. We had an argument about Forte last year, and I was right - I'll be right again.

You were? Well, if you want to pat yourself on the back because an injured running back had a subpar year in an offense that as a whole was a mess, have at it.

ETA - FF production is all about opportunity, and Fortes is going to continue to diminish because he doesn't run well. That's the point.

My analysis is exactly the opposite - Forte will continue to be valuable because of opportunity. Who else is going to get touches in that backfield? Forte is clearly more talented and has superior physical skill at this point compared to Chester Taylor. And if you're looking at trends, Taylor's touches have gone from 12 in week 1, to 6 in week 2, to 3 in week 3. I don't think anyone's arguing that Forte is a top 5 talent, or even a top 5-10 back production wise. But assuming he gets 200 carries and 60+ catches (a conservative estimate at this point), he should have at least 1200 yards. And as the Bears primary and goal line back, 5-7 TDs over the next 13 games isn't outrageous.I see Forte as a solid RB2 play for 2010.

 

[qimqam]

Traded him for D'will

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Traded him for D'will

great move on your part almost regardless of what u think or forte. That offense will get better and they will run the rock.

 

[yoman]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

I figured it out. 7-5=2. I don't know why you hate Forte so much but he is definitely worthy of a RB2 or Flex play this season based on his pass catching alone. The offensive line can't run block but they are utilizing his pass catching skills out of the backfield when they have him isolated on a linebacker. The rail route wasn't there in the GB game but if you watched the game you would be able to see that they had him blocking more than usual. You can't judge a RB based on 1 bad game.

 

[plyka]

I'm not a Bears homer but I have Forte and have watched 2 of his games and (DET & GB) and I have to say its at least primarily the o-line. There seems to be no openings for him, he gets hit in the backfield and has been stuffed on the goal line.

That's not the OL. Thats Forte being a slow RB. When are the excuses going to stop for him? He had a terrible YPC as a rookie, and only had good FF value due to insane opportunity. After that season a lot of people said his opportunity wasn't going to stay so high with such a low YPC. Lo and behold, last year, again a sucky YPC and opps went down. Forte lovers blamed it on injury. Now this year, again crappy YPC, opps again going down, and the team brought in Taylor. Now you want to say it's the OL? Puh-leaze... It's not the OL, it's Forte.

The thing is YPC is not the only thing talent is based on. I have a feeling that people attempt to find certain stats which support their view and avoid others which are counter to their view. If you want to look at YPC, with a player such as Forte you MUST, if objectiveness is at all a concern, look at yards per TOUCH. Still this isn't a all covering stat, but it is must more fair a tool to look at someone like Forte since it takes into consideration rushes as well as receiving.

 

[plyka]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

So, you think the Bears have lost in faith in his ability to be a pass-catching RB, hence the decline in his receptions every week? Even though his yards per catch average is 14.4? Really?

And no, receiving is not a big component of how good an RB is... It certainly doesn't outweigh whether the guy can run well or not. That's why they are called runningbacks. Forte is a crappy running back. If receiving was a large component on how to gauge an RB, Larry Centers would have been a starter, and guys like Adrian Peterson would be on the bench.

You can't be this obtuse. Unless you play in a league that doesn't give any PPR, a RB who rushes for 1,000 yards and has 500 receiving yards is more valuable than a RB who rushes for 1,300 yards and has 200 receiving yards, even though their yards from scrimmage are the same. Having a RB who is good out of the backfield catching passes adds a whole other dimension to an offense and makes it more difficult for defenses to game-plan for.

Forte is a monster in PPR leagues; 134 catches in 35 pro games is pretty darn good.

And if Larry Centers had played in an era where PPR leagues were as prevalent as they are now, yes, he would have been quite valuable. Not as valuable as a guy like Adrian Peterson (but you know that already, right), but still pretty valuable.

BtW, how is he proving to be an upper tier FF RB this year? One good game doesn't make a season.

He is on pace for 1,653 total yards from scrimmage and 16 touchdowns. I am pretty sure that would place him pretty high on the final list, hence him being an upper tier fantasy RB, despite being an only average NFL RB (which many of us have already conceded he is). YPC is meaningless in FF. Yards, catches and TDs are what matter, and so far, Forte is putting up very good numbers in all three of those areas.

And for the record, I don't have Forte in any of the four leagues I am in this year.

You keep looking at pace, but you know that he's trending to finish much lower than that. We had an argument about Forte last year, and I was right - I'll be right again. ETA - FF production is all about opportunity, and Fortes is going to continue to diminish because he doesn't run well. That's the point.

Oh no!!! Switz = mokeysee? Tell me, what do you think about Jahvid Best switz?

 

[kncks12]

Should have sold him week 2 after his opening day performance. Since you didn't hold onto him

Seen lots of discussion on McFadden, but wondering about Forte. Looking at Forte, through 3 weeks, he has had the following stats:WK 1 (DET): 17/50 (Avg 2.9 yds), 7/151 recv and 2 TDsWK 2 (@DAL): 10/29 (Avg 2.9 yds), 5/37 recv and 1 TDWK 3 (GB): 11/29 (Avg 2.6 yds), 2/14 recvForte has yet to score a rushing TD. GB obviously shut him down, but is this just because GB played Defense that well or do we think that now the teams are going to shut him down?In looking at their upcoming schedule:Wk 4: @NYGWk 5: @CARWk 6: SEAWk 7: WASWk 8: ----- BYE ------Wk 9: @BUFWk 10: MINWk 11: MIAWk 12: PHIWk 13: @DETWk 14: NEWk 15: MINWk 16: NYJHe seems to have a pretty good schedule up to Week 9, but then it gets brutal down the stretch. So how do you guys think he performs? Is he a RB2 or FLEX? If you would sell... when would you sell him for? I'm currently thinking that the sell time on this guy is after WK 5 at CAR.

 

[PahtyTom]

wow I can't believe the Forte hate in this thread. Does no one play in ppr leagues? LOL. In ppr leagues this guy is a clear RB1. In non-ppr, he's probably still a borderline RB1 or high end RB2. He's an incredibly gifted receiver in a nice situation. Would it be better if their o-line wasn't bad? Yes. But if that was the case he would probably be in the discussion for #1 fantasy RB and we wouldn't even be having threads like this.

 

[RudeDog]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

I figured it out. 7-5=2. I don't know why you hate Forte so much but he is definitely worthy of a RB2 or Flex play this season based on his pass catching alone. The offensive line can't run block but they are utilizing his pass catching skills out of the backfield when they have him isolated on a linebacker. The rail route wasn't there in the GB game but if you watched the game you would be able to see that they had him blocking more than usual. You can't judge a RB based on 1 bad game.

switz had the same attitude towards MJD his first few years. Mostly because the RB makes him look bad in his predictions so he feels he needs to attack them.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

wow I can't believe the Forte hate in this thread. Does no one play in ppr leagues? LOL. In ppr leagues this guy is a clear RB1. In non-ppr, he's probably still a borderline RB1 or high end RB2. He's an incredibly gifted receiver in a nice situation. Would it be better if their o-line wasn't bad? Yes. But if that was the case he would probably be in the discussion for #1 fantasy RB and we wouldn't even be having threads like this.

Totally agreed. You can argue about his comparative NFL prowess all you want, but the thread is about fantasy value. Right now, Forte is RB8 in my league (1 pt/rec), and #20 overall so far this season.I'm holding, as I won't be able to get relative top concensus backs for him -- he hasn't been fantastic, but if he keeps up this steady pace, he's a stallwart start.

 

[KenM746003]

Haha, it wouldn't be a Forte thread without a lot of nonsense from switz. Yes, the Bears brought in Taylor...who also has a horrible YPC: 2.75. But it's not the O-Line, right? What Forte does out of the backfield as a pass catcher cannot be ignored. Right now, he is on pace to catch nearly 80 balls and go over 1,000 receiving yards. I mean, if we are gonna trash his YPC, then we have to look at the whole picture and talk about his receiving stats, too, since they are just as important when gauging how good a RB is, right? Besides, it is obvious to anyone with two eyes that Forte was hurt last year. He has a lot more burst and speed this year. No, he is not an upper tier NFL RB, but he can be a good one, and can definitely be a high-performing fantasy RB, as he proved in 2008 and is proving again this year.

Chicago homer here, and I agree with the above.Forte looks quite a bit quicker than last year. His goal line carries have been pathetic, and you would THINK Lovie would go to Taylor on the goal line. But Lovie is stubborn.For the amount of touches Forte seems to get, I would be a little higher on him than others around here. Will the running game pick up some if defenses focus on the pass? I doubt it in light of Martz and the O-Line. But the Packers took away the screen passes and that had a lot to do with Forte's lack of catches on Monday.

 

[switz]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

I figured it out. 7-5=2. I don't know why you hate Forte so much but he is definitely worthy of a RB2 or Flex play this season based on his pass catching alone. The offensive line can't run block but they are utilizing his pass catching skills out of the backfield when they have him isolated on a linebacker. The rail route wasn't there in the GB game but if you watched the game you would be able to see that they had him blocking more than usual. You can't judge a RB based on 1 bad game.

switz had the same attitude towards MJD his first few years. Mostly because the RB makes him look bad in his predictions so he feels he needs to attack them.

How has Forte made me look bad? As for MJD - I was pretty consistent that Taylor would be the guy as long as he was there, but I never said MJD wasn't talented.

 

[shnikies]

He had 7, 5, 2 receptions in the first 3 games. Notice a trend?

I figured it out. 7-5=2. I don't know why you hate Forte so much but he is definitely worthy of a RB2 or Flex play this season based on his pass catching alone. The offensive line can't run block but they are utilizing his pass catching skills out of the backfield when they have him isolated on a linebacker. The rail route wasn't there in the GB game but if you watched the game you would be able to see that they had him blocking more than usual. You can't judge a RB based on 1 bad game.

switz had the same attitude towards MJD his first few years. Mostly because the RB makes him look bad in his predictions so he feels he needs to attack them.

How has Forte made me look bad? As for MJD - I was pretty consistent that Taylor would be the guy as long as he was there, but I never said MJD wasn't talented.

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank2008 23 16 RB 244 95 4 8

2009 24 16 RB 164 14 18 63

2010 25 3 RB 49 22 8 14

 

[Ghost Rider]

switz had the same attitude towards MJD his first few years. Mostly because the RB makes him look bad in his predictions so he feels he needs to attack them.

That is the biggest problem with the Shark Pool...the posters who are more concerned with their projections matching their original predictions for how good a player would or wouldn't be than anything else. switz, a guy who said Forte's 89-yard TD catch could have been made by a 5th string RB, is Exhibit A of this. His constant man-love posts for Felix Jones are a prime example of this, too.

 

[switz]

switz had the same attitude towards MJD his first few years. Mostly because the RB makes him look bad in his predictions so he feels he needs to attack them.

That is the biggest problem with the Shark Pool...the posters who are more concerned with their projections matching their original predictions for how good a player would or wouldn't be than anything else. switz, a guy who said Forte's 89-yard TD catch could have been made by a 5th string RB, is Exhibit A of this. His constant man-love posts for Felix Jones are a prime example of this, too.

Ha! You can try to attack me and defer attention from your own flawed opinions, but reality is Forte is still not a good RB, and that's what this thread is about... hold or sell Forte... and people should have sold after week one.BTW, the long play I said any CHI RB could have done was in preseason, not the week one 89 yarder. If you're going to try to poke fun at me, at least get it right.

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank

2008 23 16 RB 244 95 4 8

2009 24 16 RB 164 14 18 63

2010 25 3 RB 49 22 8 14

What do the numbers look like after week 4? Because his ranking has been dropping like a rock after week 1.

 

[Northbound Train]

switz had the same attitude towards MJD his first few years. Mostly because the RB makes him look bad in his predictions so he feels he needs to attack them.

That is the biggest problem with the Shark Pool...the posters who are more concerned with their projections matching their original predictions for how good a player would or wouldn't be than anything else. switz, a guy who said Forte's 89-yard TD catch could have been made by a 5th string RB, is Exhibit A of this. His constant man-love posts for Felix Jones are a prime example of this, too.

Ha! You can try to attack me and defer attention from your own flawed opinions, but reality is Forte is still not a good RB, and that's what this thread is about... hold or sell Forte... and people should have sold after week one.BTW, the long play I said any CHI RB could have done was in preseason, not the week one 89 yarder. If you're going to try to poke fun at me, at least get it right.

Year Age G FantPos FantPt VBD PosRank OvRank

2008 23 16 RB 244 95 4 8

2009 24 16 RB 164 14 18 63

2010 25 3 RB 49 22 8 14

What do the numbers look like after week 4? Because his ranking has been dropping like a rock after week 1.

This thread is not about whether one thinks Forte is a good NFL RB but whether he is a good FF RB ....I don't think anybody here (outside of Bears homers) give a rat's ### whether or not Forte is fleet of foot, whether he picks up blocking asignments, whether he can catch the ball etc, etc....all we care about HERE at the Shark Pool is FFF....even with his horrible 2 game slide he is the 11th ranked RB in PPR leagues right now, a quarter of the way thru the season....one has got to think his numbers get better, I mean they can't get much worse than his recent 2 games so his upside far outweighs his downside.

I've seen alot of talk about his playoff schedule in here...well, that's great and all but one must get to the playoffs first. It seems everybody here has an automatic spot in the playoffs here. In week 13 which is in alot of cases the final week of the FF regular season Forte gets the Lions whom he lit up for 37+ points in week 1 and in week 14 he gets the Pats that just allowed Brown + Ricky 29.7 points....

HOLD

 

[switz]

even with his horrible 2 game slide he is the 11th ranked RB in PPR leagues right now, a quarter of the way thru the season....one has got to think his numbers get better, I mean they can't get much worse than his recent 2 games so his upside far outweighs his downside.

Remember that some of the other RBs have only played three games... Forte was ranked 14th after week 3, and if Peterson, Charles, and TJones, had played this past week they might easily be ahead of Forte in any league.His performance has gotten worse each week, but I agree he's a hold, because I don't think anyone would give much to get him.

 

[3nOut]

even with his horrible 2 game slide he is the 11th ranked RB in PPR leagues right now, a quarter of the way thru the season....one has got to think his numbers get better, I mean they can't get much worse than his recent 2 games so his upside far outweighs his downside.

Remember that some of the other RBs have only played three games... Forte was ranked 14th after week 3, and if Peterson, Charles, and TJones, had played this past week they might easily be ahead of Forte in any league.His performance has gotten worse each week, but I agree he's a hold, because I don't think anyone would give much to get him.

So does that mean his production can only go UP?

 

[Northbound Train]

Valid point...even if a couple guys did push him down he'd be around 14-15, just outside a RB1 + solid RB2 1/4 of the way thru the season...

This just in...

FBG just ranked Forte as the 9th best RB going forward (weeks 5-16/PPR) behind Ray Rice + ahead of Mendenhall

I love the ranking as a Forte owner but I can tell you I am nowhere near that comfort level with that o-line and sometimes erratic QB play

 

[switz]

even with his horrible 2 game slide he is the 11th ranked RB in PPR leagues right now, a quarter of the way thru the season....one has got to think his numbers get better, I mean they can't get much worse than his recent 2 games so his upside far outweighs his downside.

Remember that some of the other RBs have only played three games... Forte was ranked 14th after week 3, and if Peterson, Charles, and TJones, had played this past week they might easily be ahead of Forte in any league.His performance has gotten worse each week, but I agree he's a hold, because I don't think anyone would give much to get him.

So does that mean his production can only go UP?

People probably thought that after week three, huh? One has to wonder where the bottom really is for Forte, is it 50-50 split with Taylor? Does Taylor take over the starting role? Does Forte go out for the year with injury?

 

[healthpellets]

imo, forte is a g-ddamn sell. and has been since week 1. but now he's shyte the bed for a couple weeks, and people have forgot about week 1.

his ranking going forward is BS. complete shyte.

one good game, then get him off your roster.

2009 was not a mirage. that was forte.

 

[3nOut]

People probably thought that after week three, huh? One has to wonder where the bottom really is for Forte, is it 50-50 split with Taylor? Does Taylor take over the starting role? Does Forte go out for the year with injury?

OK, I will agree that a 50-50 split or Taylor taking over may be concerns, but whast talk about injury? You could say the same things about all RBs.