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Easily Forte because he has no competition in Chicago. Johnson will be splitting carries with Lendale all year.
Well I don't know if you watched the Titans but I don't recall Johnson having an issue with pass blocking, in fact from what I remember he did a very good job.
Beat me to it.Easily Forte because he has no competition in Chicago. Johnson will be splitting carries with Lendale all year.
I still don't get this argument. Yes, he will be splitting the carries but he was brought in to catch passes and will probably be used much in the same way Bush is. CJ will probably have more total yards than Forte which will negate any losses in carries. I think CJ will have more quality touches because of this.
I agree with CJ, but using the term "by a mile" is way off. CJ will probably finish with more total yards, but i could see Forte with a couple more TD's.
Even if CJ has more total yds than Forte, do you think he'll have as many tds given that he'll be splitting goalline carries at best? My guess is that their yardage may be similar but the tds should favor Forte.
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3 way RBBC with MOrris seeing the most action just like last year.
I agree with that. But if you are in a league that gives points for receptions or .5 ppr, I would rather have CJ. It is hard to predict TDs, though but I think CJ will have a few through the air. I think they will end up with similar fantasy totals by year's end barring injury in standard formats.
Yes I live in TN which means I watched the game. Did you? If so then you noticed how explosive Chris Johnson was against a stout Ravens D.
Yes I live in TN which means I watched the game. Did you? If so then you noticed how explosive Chris Johnson was against a stout Ravens D.
You noticed he got 15 carries for 93YDS (6.2ypc) despite missing most of the 4th with cramps.
I assume you also noticed he 3 passes for 34 Yards and TD and appeared very surehanded.
You also noticed that he was a diving shoestring tackle from breaking a 60yd TD run.
It's also safe to assume you noticed TEN Offensive line looked strong, giving Chris Johnson some nice lanes.
Finally you surely noticed LenWhale getting half as many yards on as many carries.
Now. Given this week's stats my projections account for the following average line in the remaining 15 games:
11 Carries for 51 Yards and 0.4 TD
3.5 Catches for 37 Yards and 0.4 TD
Which of these stat lines seems unreasonable?
What are YOUR Projections for Chris Johnson this year?
Are you suggesting his role in the offense will DECREASE now that they see how talented he is?
Are you suggesting his breakaway speed that has given him 1 50+ yard TD and almost another in his last 3 games is going to somehow leave him?
Perhaps you're suggesting that Tennessee is going to decrease his involvement in the passing game despite having the 2nd most receptions on the team for a robust 11.3 YPC?
Before you answer be sure you consider all the variables carefully.
You do realize that you are only giving Forte 14.4 carries a game with that number.. I think you're going to see him carry the rock more like 340-350 times, or 21-22 a game. Give him the same 4.0 average ( I think it will be closer to 4.2) and you're looking more like 1350-ish rushing yards.Forte will get more total yards than Johnson this year, no doubt. I'm going to bank on more TD's as well. There is no goal line competition in Chicago. It's all Forte.. all day.
The yards seem about right but youre giving both guys waaaaaay too many TDs, particularly receiving TDs.
Jax had the 5th toughest rush D in the AFC last year and is traditionally viewed as having a decent time stopping the run. That said of course things change year to year and they could be horrid this year but I'd wager their still in the top 5-7 of the AFC when the dust settles.
Barring injury, there is no possible way Forte does not break 1000 yards rushing. I want some of what you guys are smoking.
Jags D...still stout against the run. Excluding week aberration (282) against Tennessee and the Week 17 game against Houston where everyone rested (170), they allowed 82.6 ypg in weeks 2-16. Only 3 teams went over 100 yards in that span. Maybe not Ravens good, but very strong against the runYes I live in TN which means I watched the game. Did you? If so then you noticed how explosive Chris Johnson was against a stout Ravens D.
You noticed he got 15 carries for 93YDS (6.2ypc) despite missing most of the 4th with cramps.
I assume you also noticed he 3 passes for 34 Yards and TD and appeared very surehanded.
You also noticed that he was a diving shoestring tackle from breaking a 60yd TD run.
It's also safe to assume you noticed TEN Offensive line looked strong, giving Chris Johnson some nice lanes.
Finally you surely noticed LenWhale getting half as many yards on as many carries.
Now. Given this week's stats my projections account for the following average line in the remaining 15 games:
11 Carries for 51 Yards and 0.4 TD
3.5 Catches for 37 Yards and 0.4 TD
Which of these stat lines seems unreasonable?
What are YOUR Projections for Chris Johnson this year?
Are you suggesting his role in the offense will DECREASE now that they see how talented he is?
Are you suggesting his breakaway speed that has given him 1 50+ yard TD and almost another in his last 3 games is going to somehow leave him?
Perhaps you're suggesting that Tennessee is going to decrease his involvement in the passing game despite having the 2nd most receptions on the team for a robust 11.3 YPC?
Before you answer be sure you consider all the variables carefully.
I gotta disagree shady... maybe Forte but CJ3 is going to catch the ball a lot near the goal line this year with screens/swing-passes, etc. If you watched the game you saw how they plan to use him. I see him easily breaking 1-2 long receptions for TDs with his speed.... leaving 4-5 more around the goal line. I could be wrong but I really don't think so.
I think Jones WILL take a bit of a bigger slice of the Pie... hence my projection. I'm probably still a bit low on Forte's carries... maybe 260 @ 4.0ypc or around 1100 yards. Both will be very productive backs and I'd be very happy to have either as a RB3 on my roster (which is where they were typically drafted). I know I have CJ3 on all my teams and Forte on one.
too bad stroud is not around anymoreJags D...still stout against the run. Excluding week aberration (282) against Tennessee and the Week 17 game against Houston where everyone rested (170), they allowed 82.6 ypg in weeks 2-16. Only 3 teams went over 100 yards in that span. Maybe not Ravens good, but very strong against the runYes I live in TN which means I watched the game. Did you? If so then you noticed how explosive Chris Johnson was against a stout Ravens D.
You noticed he got 15 carries for 93YDS (6.2ypc) despite missing most of the 4th with cramps.
I assume you also noticed he 3 passes for 34 Yards and TD and appeared very surehanded.
You also noticed that he was a diving shoestring tackle from breaking a 60yd TD run.
It's also safe to assume you noticed TEN Offensive line looked strong, giving Chris Johnson some nice lanes.
Finally you surely noticed LenWhale getting half as many yards on as many carries.
Now. Given this week's stats my projections account for the following average line in the remaining 15 games:
11 Carries for 51 Yards and 0.4 TD
3.5 Catches for 37 Yards and 0.4 TD
Which of these stat lines seems unreasonable?
What are YOUR Projections for Chris Johnson this year?
Are you suggesting his role in the offense will DECREASE now that they see how talented he is?
Are you suggesting his breakaway speed that has given him 1 50+ yard TD and almost another in his last 3 games is going to somehow leave him?
Perhaps you're suggesting that Tennessee is going to decrease his involvement in the passing game despite having the 2nd most receptions on the team for a robust 11.3 YPC?
Before you answer be sure you consider all the variables carefully.
The last RB to get 7 or more receiving TDs in a year was Marshall Faulk in 2000 with 8. The highest TD reception # in the last 4 yrs was Westbrook with 6 in 2004. So like I said your #s are waaaay too high.
Please read the parts of your post that i bolded. You will see why i gave you theJax had the 5th toughest rush D in the AFC last year and is traditionally viewed as having a decent time stopping the run. That said of course things change year to year and they could be horrid this year but I'd wager their still in the top 5-7 of the AFC when the dust settles.
Ah yes. Obvious typoPlease read the parts of your post that i bolded. You will see why i gave you theJax had the 5th toughest rush D in the AFC last year and is traditionally viewed as having a decent time stopping the run. That said of course things change year to year and they could be horrid this year but I'd wager their still in the top 5-7 of the AFC when the dust settles.
Nobody ever scores that much until they do. I may be high... I may not. Every milestone that's set has never happened before. I may be on the high side but I don't think it's WAYYYYYYY too many. I'd set the over/under for Receiving TDs on Chris Johnson at 5 this year. I think he's going to get at least that many... probably 6...possibly 7 (what good is forecasting if you play it safe every time?). Maybe I'm wrong... we'll see.
IMO as the season goes on and KJ proves he's healthy I think you're going to see more of a 60/40 split (18/12 carries). That's still phenomenal value for where Forte was drafted. We'll see. If we all agreed this place wouldn't be any fun.
Once more- Marcus Stroud missed half of the season last year and due to injury was ineffective in the handful of games that he did play.too bad stroud is not around anymoreJags D...still stout against the run. Excluding week aberration (282) against Tennessee and the Week 17 game against Houston where everyone rested (170), they allowed 82.6 ypg in weeks 2-16. Only 3 teams went over 100 yards in that span. Maybe not Ravens good, but very strong against the runYes I live in TN which means I watched the game. Did you? If so then you noticed how explosive Chris Johnson was against a stout Ravens D.
You noticed he got 15 carries for 93YDS (6.2ypc) despite missing most of the 4th with cramps.
I assume you also noticed he 3 passes for 34 Yards and TD and appeared very surehanded.
You also noticed that he was a diving shoestring tackle from breaking a 60yd TD run.
It's also safe to assume you noticed TEN Offensive line looked strong, giving Chris Johnson some nice lanes.
Finally you surely noticed LenWhale getting half as many yards on as many carries.
Now. Given this week's stats my projections account for the following average line in the remaining 15 games:
11 Carries for 51 Yards and 0.4 TD
3.5 Catches for 37 Yards and 0.4 TD
Which of these stat lines seems unreasonable?
What are YOUR Projections for Chris Johnson this year?
Are you suggesting his role in the offense will DECREASE now that they see how talented he is?
Are you suggesting his breakaway speed that has given him 1 50+ yard TD and almost another in his last 3 games is going to somehow leave him?
Perhaps you're suggesting that Tennessee is going to decrease his involvement in the passing game despite having the 2nd most receptions on the team for a robust 11.3 YPC?
Before you answer be sure you consider all the variables carefully.
Can you tell me the last time a rookie rb had that many carries?
OJ Anderson had a little over 1600 yards in his rookie season. He should have been close. 5 yards/carry would take 320 carries. He was the first rookie to average over 100 yds/game.
I honestly don't think you're going to get fair value for them as an owner right now. Trading for them? I'd consider trying to ship a hot 1st week WR like Hines Ward / Desean Jackson / Eddie Royal (the latter two only in a PPR)... or perhaps a "name" RB like a Maroney / McFadden / Brown.In a keeper league I'd part with a Marvin Harrison / Edge / Lewis type for either (but Johnson especially... particularly in a PPR league).
A) Who is this guy?B) I thought Stteven Jackson was the next Marshall Faulk? Or was it Brian Westbrook?
Tell us why and show us your projections.
Didn't Jax lose their big tackles in the middle to free agency? I think the Jax oline and dline are considerably weakened from a year ago... Just for the record.Jax had the 5th toughest rush D in the AFC last year and is traditionally viewed as having a decent time stopping the run. That said of course things change year to year and they could be horrid this year but I'd wager their still in the top 5-7 of the AFC when the dust settles.
It will take more than they are worth, particularly in dynasty leagues.I own both in multiple leagues, but if i were to try to get Johnson, i would assume i would have to give up a 2nd tier WR. Someone in the Marshall/Holmes range. It would probably take an established RB like Addai, Portis, Larry Johnson, etc. Nothing short of a top 5 QB would get him either. Maybe Witten, Gates, Winslow in a PPR, and throw in a draft pick.As far as Forte, it would take a bit less to get him, but expect to overpay for him as well.For what its worth, i would have a hard time giving up CJ for most of the players i listed. No way would i trade him for a Portis/LJ type.
Just Stroud, Henderson is still there.Didn't Jax lose their big tackles in the middle to free agency? I think the Jax oline and dline are considerably weakened from a year ago... Just for the record.Jax had the 5th toughest rush D in the AFC last year and is traditionally viewed as having a decent time stopping the run. That said of course things change year to year and they could be horrid this year but I'd wager their still in the top 5-7 of the AFC when the dust settles.
:sigh: You should read the whole thread.Didn't Jax lose their big tackles in the middle to free agency? I think the Jax oline and dline are considerably weakened from a year ago... Just for the record.Jax had the 5th toughest rush D in the AFC last year and is traditionally viewed as having a decent time stopping the run. That said of course things change year to year and they could be horrid this year but I'd wager their still in the top 5-7 of the AFC when the dust settles.
