mr roboto
Footballguy
Problem is he's labeled a habitual caller and is probably seen by the system as obsessive (not blaming him,just stating facts). He can't validate these opinions even if jt meant a small victory in court.
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Found out my son is being abused. Update #696 (2 Viewers)
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
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marshall88
Footballguy
You need to hire the best lawyer you can in Indiana and follow his/her advice on how to proceed. I know you're frustrated for not being able to help and, in fact, making things worse, but it's not over. Your kids still have many years left with your ex and you can likely revive the abuse/custody issue if you begin to take the proper steps starting now. Stop being bitter; recognize that you screwed this up by not following sound legal advice; and start following the advice you pay for, and hopefully you can do something for your kids in 2012.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Sconch
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I don't see why you guys are being so harsh on Goggins- he just wanted to point out what the OP already point out, while saying "I told you so". Seems like a perfectly natural thing for an ####### to do.
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Sorry to hear it man. What a nightmare. I would find the best lawyer in the area and do whatever he/she says. In the meantime, keep documenting the crap out of everything.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Have you met our crotchety uncle Walter?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
it's not B&E if the kids let the someone inETA: sorry for what you're going thru Seahawk...totally ####### ridiculous
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General Malaise
Footballguy
So sad.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Terrible. So sad.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
That is ####### excruciating to read. Try to hang in there.
Clifford
Footballguy
If you hadn't posted this here I would advise a hitman.At least post their number and address here. Maybe some FBG will be in the neighborhood. Maybe something bad happens to them (ex and stepdad) by pure coincidence.Have you called Stepdad's work and told his boss about this? The system is screwing you. I'd start thinking about the best way to get yourself and your kids out of the country by any means necessary.Pretty long story, but I will try to give the short version...I get to see my children every summer for visitation. Last summer my son said his step dad was knocking him around pretty good. I call my ex and talked to her about the situation and she denied everything. I bought my son a cell phone and programed it with his local Sheriff's office and child welfare office. Told him if he touched him again and left a mark call the pre-programmed numbers. Apparently as soon as he got home, my ex takes his phone away and step dad works him over with a belt. I talked to him twice in the last year and it was only for a few minutes each time.Kids just got here recently for the summer visit. (I had no idea yet about the above) I tell my son that I am going to take him to the doctor about his allergies and ask him if there is anything else he needs like a sports physical. He says he needs his thumb looked at he thinks it's broken. He goes on to tell me that his mom beat him with a broom, and then tells me everything his step dad did to him in the last year. Hitting him with belts, paddles, a cheese grater and other items. He says that his mom took him out of all school activities so that he can't tell. He is not allowed to leave his room, he is not allowed to have friends over or go to other people's houses. She works at the school and if he told a teacher they would believe her, and he would be in trouble for telling.So, I enroll both my children in counseling and my daughter backs up her brother's stories...she has seen him being beat, stabbed with keys, and whole handprints on his body(ex called and told the counselor if she saw the children she will sue her), called my local child welfare office and they have been interviewed. The counselor states that I should file for immediate danger custody, so I do that. Contact my ex and tell her we have a court date for custody, she states if I go to court I will never see the kids again, and calls both of my children lyers.Tuesday I had my court date, roll in their and LOST. Ex lies about me contacting her last year, lies that I called her about the hearing...(even though she managed to call in and her attorney was there) she flipped the script on me and says it's a child support issue and that's why I am making false accusations. They call my child welfare worker and he was on vacation. Judge says I have no proof of abuse and dismissed it. Ex calls 20 minitues after court and tells the kids she knows what they did and she will deal with them when they return.
So, my children are scared to death, I ####ed everything up and they are due to return at the end of the month. Oregon child welfare is investigating but told me since there are no marks on my son there is not much they can do. I called my local police, they won't do anything because they live in another state. I called the police station in the other state and they won't do anything because they are currently here. I called their home state's child welfare and they told me the investigation won't be completed before they are due to leave. They said if they do find abuse my children would be in foster care for 4-6 months before they could send them back to Oregon.I saw an attorney today, he said theres not much he can do to stop the return to my ex by the departure date but he will try for 3,000.00. He told me if I was worried not to send them back. He thinks he can plead the custodial interference (which is what I would be arrested for) down to a misdemeanor. Thinks I will only do twenty days county time, and two years probation.The system sucks...and the system is failing my children. I read about it all the time but it's different when your involved. My children our scared to death and I feel like I have failed them. I really don't think going to jail will solve anything, even though I am prepared to do that. I refuse to have my children in foster care.It wasn't short and I apologize, not looking for legal advice...I guess I need to know what the shark move is?
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He's already had evidence of the abuse thrown out in court because it wasn't obtained legally. I doubt an illegal video of said abuse would do anything to help him, and would probably, given the way this situation has shaken out so far get him in more trouble than he's already ended up in.
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Insoxicated
You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Okay. The Goggermeister could have exercised a "tad" more empathy in his post, but the sad reality is that Seahawk wound up shooting himself in the foot. Given the spiraling nature of his situation, it's a miracle that that's all that got shot, but it is the net result. How a system supposedly devised to protect the children let things get to this point is what makes me so damn angry...You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
Clifford
Footballguy
Seahawk shouldn't do anything. But mistakes and accidents do happen. I mean, every day people lose the use of their limbs in freak accidents. And some people just disappear. Happens all the time...She works at a school. Call every single other teacher, the principle, and as many parents of kids in that school that you can and get her fired.Do the same to her scumbag ex-husband. When both parents are out of work (and they might find trouble getting work again when they are both well-known child abusers) your custody fight will seem better.Convictions by the press happen all the time in this country. There has to be a local (in Indiana, not where you are) station that would out these scumbags.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
what a ####in #####You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
FWIW, there were other slightly-more-condescending posts that were deleted yesterday.Okay. The Goggermeister could have exercised a "tad" more empathy in his post, but the sad reality is that Seahawk wound up shooting himself in the foot. Given the spiraling nature of his situation, it's a miracle that that's all that got shot, but it is the net result. How a system supposedly devised to protect the children let things get to this point is what makes me so damn angry...You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Wasn't trying to be condescending but the point is that you have to go through the necessary channels. It's tough to not just do what you feel is right, I know cause I was in a similar position as seahawks. My intention was not to offend.Icon - I was in a similar position and almost lost my children and fortunately that didn't happen. I don't wish on anyone (including you) for them to to have the most important thing to be ripped from them,You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
That said, I don't see why this is 'over'. I would think any good lawyer could take this case and right any wrong that's been done. Sure it'll cost you a lot of money (which it did for me) but it's just money and nothing when it comes to your kids.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
FWIW, there were other slightly-more-condescending posts that were deleted yesterday.Okay. The Goggermeister could have exercised a "tad" more empathy in his post, but the sad reality is that Seahawk wound up shooting himself in the foot. Given the spiraling nature of his situation, it's a miracle that that's all that got shot, but it is the net result. How a system supposedly devised to protect the children let things get to this point is what makes me so damn angry...You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
I'm glad they were, mine included!
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Apologies to all that I've offended.
Seahawks - I can't see why this is over for you. Just because things weren't handled properly that shouldn't mean it's over.
Seahawks - I can't see why this is over for you. Just because things weren't handled properly that shouldn't mean it's over.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
First off, I'm sorry for everything you're going through.
Here is my advice and it's coming from someone who used to do social work back in the day. Take it for what it's worth but it's what I would do given the circumstances and yes it's not completely kosher but desperate times...The best way to protect your kids from afar is Social Services, you would need to have a female friend call the CPS where your kids live, not from your phone and make sure the number is blocked and make a tip that she's a neighbor and she's witnessed physical abuse and that she's a neighbor and she fears retaliation so she wants to remain anonymous and no she won't call the cops because then she won't be anonymous. CPS has to go inspect. Then if nothing shows up have another different friend, female, do the same thing except say their kids go to the same school and it was witnessed nearby school. This will get them in the system for sure with more surprise visits and they will probably make a visit to the school, talk to the teachers and now that seed has been planted and the teachers will be looking for the signs as well. Now you have multiple eyeballs looking out for your kids. Now you will have documentation that CPS has been called to the house several times and next time you're in court your stick will be bigger than last time. It's a little shady but the circumstances are horrible.
Here is my advice and it's coming from someone who used to do social work back in the day. Take it for what it's worth but it's what I would do given the circumstances and yes it's not completely kosher but desperate times...The best way to protect your kids from afar is Social Services, you would need to have a female friend call the CPS where your kids live, not from your phone and make sure the number is blocked and make a tip that she's a neighbor and she's witnessed physical abuse and that she's a neighbor and she fears retaliation so she wants to remain anonymous and no she won't call the cops because then she won't be anonymous. CPS has to go inspect. Then if nothing shows up have another different friend, female, do the same thing except say their kids go to the same school and it was witnessed nearby school. This will get them in the system for sure with more surprise visits and they will probably make a visit to the school, talk to the teachers and now that seed has been planted and the teachers will be looking for the signs as well. Now you have multiple eyeballs looking out for your kids. Now you will have documentation that CPS has been called to the house several times and next time you're in court your stick will be bigger than last time. It's a little shady but the circumstances are horrible.
slayer666
Footballguy
And NOTHING will happen.
Big Petey
Footballguy
Teachers are mandated reporters.......these are the people you need to give a heads-up to. Whether they believe it or not, the thought will be in their head. Even if the ex works in the school, I'm sure there are people already questioning why those children are missing 24+ days. Contact the school nurse and school psychologist as well. And, if you feel she has everyone in the building duped, contact the administrative offices, superintendent, etc. As suggested above, have someone else contact them on your behalf.And NOTHING will happen.
Have you forwarded the email from your daughter to the school principal or their teachers? Those school employees are mandated reporters, and simply giving them the tip could start the ball rolling for you. If they've missed that much school and have injuries, combined with them looking out for something... Well, it can't hurt.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Okay, slayer- time to go sleep it off before...If this were happening to my kids, I'd deadline the muther####er. No questions asked. I'd probably take out the ##### too. Grow a set of nuts and do the right thing. IMO you're being a punk ### #####.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
This seems like horrid advice to me. The mom and step dad have likely already put a bad image of Seahawk into their co-workers head and if he calls, those people could then back the mom and step dad as witnesses that he is harassing them in their lives and trying to cause trouble. I would expect that the chances of this being used against him are far greater than the chances they get fired and ruined.
slayer666
Footballguy
Not drunk bro. No one ####s with my kids, especially if I have solid proof. If I go to prison, then I go to prison. (Personally, I would do everything possible to avoid the slammer) Also, I'm just stating what I would do, not suggesting that the OP resort to violence.Okay, slayer- time to go sleep it off before...If this were happening to my kids, I'd deadline the muther####er. No questions asked. I'd probably take out the ##### too. Grow a set of nuts and do the right thing. IMO you're being a punk ### #####.
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slayer666
Footballguy
Count me in.
timschochet
Footballguy
Me too. Just let us know.The only other thing I can suggest, Seahawk, is to start completely over. Find a new attorney, or another child abuse organization you haven't worked with yet. Tell them the whole story from the beginning. Who knows? There may be a way out of this that nobody's thought of yet. Also, are there grandparents on your ex-wife's side? If there are, and they're not sympathetic to you, maybe at least they love their grandkids to be concerned about the situation? Perhaps that's something you should look into. Best of luck as always.Count me in.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
This is true but if a complaint is filed with CPS they HAVE to go investigate. Teachers are mandated reporters and once notified, if there is any type of paper trail that leads to them being notified by CPS or a tipster and they don't follow up or it slips by them, the teachers know the lawsuit ramifications. They'll keep an eye out, especially the gym teachers when kids are changing into PE clothes.No single person, agency, teacher or any other entity gives a #### more about your children, then you do.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
with all the #### they have built up against ou right now, not even a good lawyer is gonna change the situation. Only thing that will is new facts (as the ones that have been painted now are al pretty bad for you) If i were in your shoes I'd find a local PI and have them do some surveillance. Odds are if the abuse is as frequent as it must be for 24 missed days of school over such a short period of time, it shouldn't be too hard to get some video/photos of the things you are alleging. Until you ave enough evidence don't really make waves. But I would continue to send certified letters to DFACS documenting each incident of abuse. Whether or not they label you a 'chronic caller' or not, it will set the groundwork for a paper trail that you can later take to a local news agency/paper etc to show how 'dfacs is failing our hildren' etc.
sucks but not much you can do for now. If and when you find evidence of actual abuse, don't go to dfacs, file police reports. Once again they will have to investigate them (police reports make for a great paper trail), and dfacs is usually way understaffed and overworked. Plus cops have more actual power/duty than DFACS anyway. sucks bad man. gl
sucks but not much you can do for now. If and when you find evidence of actual abuse, don't go to dfacs, file police reports. Once again they will have to investigate them (police reports make for a great paper trail), and dfacs is usually way understaffed and overworked. Plus cops have more actual power/duty than DFACS anyway. sucks bad man. gl
the moops
Footballguy
Sconch
Footballguy
Clifford
Footballguy
You're probably right. Does the stepdad drink? If so, we need to know what bar he frequents and when. All kinds of bad things happen to people when they've been drinking.Point being the legal angle has been exhausted.There are no good solutions here. This is an area where the justice system has completely and miserably failed. I'd say figure out a clean way to either get yourself and the kids out of the country, or figure out a way to make the real problem go away.What about bracing this dude something fierce? NO physical harm, but make him piss himself from fear of what will happen to him. I realize that is more illegality, but I just don't see staying within the law helping.ETA: Just get the kids and yourself out of the country. Go somewhere with no extradition and a terribly disorganized government. When I lived in the Czech republic there is no way anyone could have found me if I didn't want to be found. Seems to be either that or a #######g bloodbath.'Master of Past and Present said:
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SwampDawg
Footballguy
Seahawk are your parents still alive ? Do they live in Indiana ? I ask because some states have some grandparents rights. Even if you had to pay for the attorney for them could they could possibley demand visitation and then document with the attorney any abuse they are seeing ?
hiring a PI to collect evidence sounds like the best advice yet.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Terrible news. I'd try contacting a child abuse organization. Organize all the information and present it to them in an extremely calm manner. They undoubtedly are familiar with bizarre stories and how abusive parents can make others look like the bad guy. They also have lots of experience and will know how to handle dealing with the authorities.
http://www.childhelp.org/ is one of the many organizations. If they're actually being abused, someone somewhere will listen to your story, believe it, and be able to help you and your kids.
http://www.childhelp.org/ is one of the many organizations. If they're actually being abused, someone somewhere will listen to your story, believe it, and be able to help you and your kids.
latest update makes it sound like he's not doing anything and the people who are in position to help have stopped listening to him because he has no proof.
You don't think he ####### knows that?Shot himself in the foot? WTF? This guy is being torn apart and you and ####### Goggins are posting this shyte?Okay. The Goggermeister could have exercised a "tad" more empathy in his post, but the sad reality is that Seahawk wound up shooting himself in the foot. Given the spiraling nature of his situation, it's a miracle that that's all that got shot, but it is the net result.You seriously have the stones to come in here with a condescending "I Told you So".... in this thread?! In THIS situation?! I hope someday the most important thing in your life is ripped from you in the most violent manner possible. Unfortunately, it's readily apparent in your posts that the only thing that matters to you is you.... what a piece of work.
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