Four Preseason Games (1 Viewer)

[BlueOnion]

So what are people's thoughts on the current 4 preseason games?

Potential sub-topics:

- 4 Preseason games are just to many

- Money (2 preseason games for each team, plus [minor] television.

- to much risk for injury

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Couple of my personal thoughts....

1) Coaches have an idea of how many snaps they want from each player in the preseason. Whether it is 10 snaps, 20 snaps or 50 snaps, they know how many snaps they want from each player. Having said this, the number of preseason games is irrelevant; Clinton Portis was probably going to take 25 snaps, whether it was spread over 4 games or 2 games.

2) The one issue I do have is the intersecting lines of preseason games and roster cut-downs. I have no problem with four preseason games, but teams should be aloud to carry more players through the 4th preseason game - to rest all their starters if they choose and not exhause their backups. I don't have a potential resolution to this one yet.

 

[MLBrandow]

as many exhibition scrimmages, 2 preseason games.

teams should use the exhibiton time to evaluate their players.

 

[BlueOnion]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

 

[BigRed]

Nothing like the annual "we shouldn't have pre-season games because people get hurt" BS

This isn't hard. If teams/whoever are worried about starters getting hurt, don't play them (and I think it's kind of stupid as well). The point of pre-season is to further evaluate rooks, figure out starters for positions not locked down, who to cut or not, etc. That's kind of important, so the idea of eliminating pre-season is seriously 'tarded.

 

[CrossEyed]

I guess the Browns should cancel training camp since they lost LeCharles Bentley on day 1.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

 

[CrossEyed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

 

[jafo]

I like the current Preseason schedules. People complain every year, normally the ones that drafted too early and are biting their fingernails for their starters to make it through it without injury.

 

[BlueOnion]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

How can you make the statement that players are not paid for the preseason? When the Owners and NFLPA sit down to negotiate their CBA, both parties look at all revenue streams (including preseason games) and the NFLPA asks for a percentage cut of all those revenues (60% I believe).So yes, the players are getting paid for the preseason, however the checks are not written until the preseason.

 

[CrossEyed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

I don't think I've ever heard the people who complain about the pre-season having too many games suggest that the season should be lengthened.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

I don't think I've ever heard the people who complain about the pre-season having too many games suggest that the season should be lengthened.

Really? There has been a lot of talk over the last few years of going to an 18 game schedule if they reduce the exhibition season.

 

[CrossEyed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

I don't think I've ever heard the people who complain about the pre-season having too many games suggest that the season should be lengthened.

Really? There has been a lot of talk over the last few years of going to an 18 game schedule if they reduce the exhibition season.

And I'm sure there will be plenty of players who would complain about that, too.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

How can you make the statement that players are not paid for the preseason? When the Owners and NFLPA sit down to negotiate their CBA, both parties look at all revenue streams (including preseason games) and the NFLPA asks for a percentage cut of all those revenues (60% I believe).So yes, the players are getting paid for the preseason, however the checks are not written until the preseason.

Their checks are based on the regular season. So what is the player paid that gets cut after 4 pre-season games ? Only the small stipend during pre-season and whatever bonus he was paid. Those players will not see a paycheck during the regular season.Also, what do you mean the "checks are not writtin until the preseason"?

 

[BlueOnion]

I heard Flap-Jack Peter King speak on Dan Patrick the other day, and he tried to make the point that players only get paid game checks after regular season games. And that players only get paid about $500 (meal ticket et al) for preseason games. Does this guy have any idea how the CBA works? I certainly have fewer sources available to me, but I am pretty sure the preseason gate receipts are included in teh CBA.

Sometimes I think 'experts' talk just to hear their own voice.

I'll take what Peter King says about the NFL over you anyday. By the way, I'm almost certain he is correct.NFL players don't get paid game checks until the regular season.

Just because their checks don't start coming until the regular season doesn't mean that they aren't paid for the pre-season. I think BOs point is that if they eliminated the pre-season there would be less money available which means they would get paid less.

But they aren't paid for the pre-season like they are for the regular season.Also, here is an interesting story.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9602091/1

The exhibition season does help the owners and the teams financially. It is true that if they would go to 18 games the salaries would go up. However, I'd also like to think they could make some or all of that up with more money from TV contracts.

How can you make the statement that players are not paid for the preseason? When the Owners and NFLPA sit down to negotiate their CBA, both parties look at all revenue streams (including preseason games) and the NFLPA asks for a percentage cut of all those revenues (60% I believe).So yes, the players are getting paid for the preseason, however the checks are not written until the preseason.

Their checks are based on the regular season. So what is the player paid that gets cut after 4 pre-season games ? Only the small stipend during pre-season and whatever bonus he was paid. Those players will not see a paycheck during the regular season.Also, what do you mean the "checks are not writtin until the preseason"?

And there signing bonuses? Do the teams get to retract any signing bonuses if a player fails to make the opening day roster?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS?

The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments:

Daily Meal Allowance

2000-02 $75/day

2003-04 $80/day

Rookie Pre-Season Per Diem

2000 $700/week

2001 $700/week

2002 $725/week

2003 $725/week

2004 $750/week

Veteran Pre-Season Per Diem

2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game

2004 $1,000/week +$200 per game

Post-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004

Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18

--other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15

Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18

Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5

Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5

Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68

Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.

* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers

* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers

Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

 

[CrossEyed]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

So they get about 2K/week to practice on top of the millions that they make to play. Sorry, you aren't getting any sympathy from me on this one.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

So they get about 2K/week to practice on top of the millions that they make to play. Sorry, you aren't getting any sympathy from me on this one.

According to USA Today, the median salary for the highest paying NFL team in the 2004 season (Pittsburgh Steelers) was $895,716. For the lowest paying team (San Diego Chargers) it was $453,800. Not to mention the average length of an NFL career is 3 1/2 years.

 

[BlueOnion]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

quicken.com down?I hear the same story from my teacher friends during the summer months.

 

[CrossEyed]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

So they get about 2K/week to practice on top of the millions that they make to play. Sorry, you aren't getting any sympathy from me on this one.

According to USA Today, the median salary for the highest paying NFL team in the 2004 season (Pittsburgh Steelers) was $895,716. For the lowest paying team (San Diego Chargers) it was $453,800. Not to mention the average length of an NFL career is 3 1/2 years.

Do those numbers include signing bonuses, which is where most of the players make the biggest part of their paycheck?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

quicken.com down?I hear the same story from my teacher friends during the summer months.

Where did I state I sided with the players?

 

[BlueOnion]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

quicken.com down?I hear the same story from my teacher friends during the summer months.

Where did I state I sided with the players?

I never stated you did. I was just making the comparison between teachers and players; in regards to their annual salary and unique pay cycle.

 

[BigRed]

According to USA Today, the median salary for the highest paying NFL team in the 2004 season (Pittsburgh Steelers) was $895,716. For the lowest paying team (San Diego Chargers) it was $453,800. Not to mention the average length of an NFL career is 3 1/2 years.

So if the average/median player plays for 3 1/2 yrs and his NFL career is over, he "retires" a millionaire.aw. Anyway Portis and the rest should be whining at their coaches for playing starters, not for pre-season existing.PS to Portis - you're so worried about getting hurt, don't make the tackle. The game doesn't count, remember? (although it was one helluva tackle)

 

[CrossEyed]

HOW ARE PLAYERS PAID IN PRE-AND POST-SEASON PERIODS? The CBA provides that players must be paid for pre-season and post-season games as well as a daily meal allowance in some cases. Here's the schedule of payments: Daily Meal Allowance2000-02 $75/day2003-04 $80/dayRookie Pre-Season Per Diem2000 $700/week2001 $700/week2002 $725/week2003 $725/week2004 $750/weekVeteran Pre-Season Per Diem2000-03 $900/week +$200 per game2004 $1,000/week +$200 per gamePost-Season Pay (in $-thousands) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 Wild Card Game--Div. winner $16 $17 $17 $18 $18 --other 12.5 12.5 12.5 15 15 Div. Playoff 16 17 17 18 18 Conference Champion 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--loser 34.5 34.5 35 36.5 36.5 Super Bowl--winner 58 63 63 68 68 Pro-Bowl Game Squads are determined by the vote of fans, players and coaches, weighted one-third each.* 2000-2002: $30,000 to winners, $15,000 to losers* 2003-2004: $35,000 to winners, $17,500 to losers Their contracts are then paid out over the 17 week regular season.

So they get about 2K/week to practice on top of the millions that they make to play. Sorry, you aren't getting any sympathy from me on this one.

According to USA Today, the median salary for the highest paying NFL team in the 2004 season (Pittsburgh Steelers) was $895,716. For the lowest paying team (San Diego Chargers) it was $453,800. Not to mention the average length of an NFL career is 3 1/2 years.

Do those numbers include signing bonuses, which is where most of the players make the biggest part of their paycheck?

Well?