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I don't think i'd do it even in a redraft.
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Frank Gore Sell High (1 Viewer)
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suchislife
Footballguy
No, I don't think the loss of Kearse helps the D. What I'm saying is don't base the 2006 Philly run D on 2005 stats. You quote Tiki's stats from last year, yet how did he do last Sunday? The loss of Kearse, imo, does not weaken the RUN D.Hey, I'm a Philly homer and starting Gore myself (over KJones, even at GB). But Philly improved their run D this year.I'm not confused. You think the loss of Kearse HELPS Philly? I think Gore will gash Philly for 100 combined yards and a TD. Fact is, I think The Eagles win this game 34-17. But I think Gore will have a shot to produce in garbage time.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I dig it. I'm not saying the Philly D stinks. I do think they will make life hard on Alex Smith. I'm not contending that Gore will destroy The Eagles. I just think he's a good enough receiver to get some decent stats.No, I don't think the loss of Kearse helps the D. What I'm saying is don't base the 2006 Philly run D on 2005 stats. You quote Tiki's stats from last year, yet how did he do last Sunday? The loss of Kearse, imo, does not weaken the RUN D.Hey, I'm a Philly homer and starting Gore myself (over KJones, even at GB). But Philly improved their run D this year.
Otis
Footballguy
Gore is your backup RB? I have him as the #4 scoring RB in my format. So your starters are LT2 and ... ?
rowediggy
Footballguy
I don't think he is going to get literal "goal-line" carries. Like inside the 2. Redskins paid an extremely high price for Duckett (a 3rd and a 1st Round swap perhaps), and Gibbs has already said that Duckett will be in there-- in the highly unlikely event Redskins reach within the 2.(Skins Homer)
Grossman is the #2 scoring QB right now, does that mean he's worth more than Carson Palmer (who's the #18)? Of course not... I have R. Brown & M. Westbrook (as the RB's I consider starters) in this league where we start 1 RB, 3 WR, and a FLEX... and even if I go by straight points already scored the difference in Mason and Driver (whom I've upgraded to) is greater than that of the drop from Gore to Brown. I know you love Gore, you're on every thread about him telling everybody about how he's the next coming, but amazingly enough not everybody agrees with you that only LT is a better RB.
Otis
Footballguy
Fair enough. You posted the trade, and I commented. There is no way I'd start Westbrook or Brown over Gore at this point until somebody gives me a reason to.
Otis
Footballguy
This is just silly.
Otis
Footballguy
That offer is an atrocity.
I agree, but this is probably a good trade for him, considering the drop from Gore to Brown isn't greater than the upgrade from Mason to Driver. He's strengthened is overall team, which is what you look to do in trades.I have Gore and my only concern with him now, assuming he makes it through the season and continues on a reasonable pace, is what is value is in a keeper league. He's on a young offense, which is presumably only going to get better and he's young. I guess I have 11 months or so to figure this out, though. I think I may be losing my mind because right now I'd consider keeping him over Shaun Alexander.
suchislife
Footballguy
Please elaborate...how does a pass rusher weaken the run D? I'd be much more concerned if one of the D tackles went down. Kearse has 3 tackles in 2 games.
Otis
Footballguy
Pass rusher or not, the guy causes havoc on one end of the line. Substituting any position on a defensive line with a lesser player will result in a lesser overall defensive unit. I don't see how the run defense is completely unaffected by replacing a defensive lineman.
(HULK)
(Smash)
The original comment was the Philly has a top d-line this year, and then I pointed out that they just lost 25% of it.Kearse was a big part of that. I don't think you can still call them a top d-line with a straight face at this point.
suchislife
Footballguy
Please point out where I said "has a top d-line"? The original comment was that Philly can be run on because they finished 21st last year. All I said was they were "vastly improved" from 2005. They gave up 70 RuYds & 0 TDs week 1, 86 & 0 week 2.Debate the loss of a pass rusher all you want. Howard & Coles should be just fine, imo.Thanks for your input though. I feel much smarter now.
I think you underrate how well Kearse DOES defend the run... yes he's obviously a monster pass rusher, and he's a bit light, so when you run right at him he can be taken advantage of, but I've lost track of how many times I've seen him tackle a RB from behind coming from the non-play side, to break up a play, so he does help their run defense...
I think you can attribute some of Barber's increased run efficiency late in last weeks game to fatigue, and some to D playing to stop the pass, but some of it, I believe, comes from losing Kearse...
If you think about it another way, his ability to cause QB pressure isn't replaceable by 1 player, so to get that back you either have to involve more resources to pressureing the QB (which will take resources away from stopping running plays) or you put less pressure on the QB, which could weaken the overall D.
I think you can attribute some of Barber's increased run efficiency late in last weeks game to fatigue, and some to D playing to stop the pass, but some of it, I believe, comes from losing Kearse...
If you think about it another way, his ability to cause QB pressure isn't replaceable by 1 player, so to get that back you either have to involve more resources to pressureing the QB (which will take resources away from stopping running plays) or you put less pressure on the QB, which could weaken the overall D.
nightshift
Footballguy
Caddy? Is that all? What a rip! 
Gore's gotta be worth LJ, Tiki, or even LT2 by now. One more good game & you'll have to throw in TO with one of those 3 to even get a sniff.
:NOT!:
Gore's gotta be worth LJ, Tiki, or even LT2 by now. One more good game & you'll have to throw in TO with one of those 3 to even get a sniff.
:NOT!:
suchislife
Footballguy
Thanks for your reply...I don't disagree that Philly is a better team with Kearse and his loss will obviously be felt. However, even without him I don't think they fall back to where they were in '05. The D-line as a whole is much improved (and , at the moment, healthy). Also keep in mind Jim Johnson has been rotating 2 complete lines, alternating series. So in reality, Kearse was only on the field for approximately half of the defensive plays.I think Philly will be up early in this game and Gore should have a bigger impact in the passing game then the running game. Although its always possible he rips off a big run or 2. As I said in an earlier post, I'm still starting him and hope he gets some yards and a score in garbage time. I think Alex Smith is in for a long day.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Maybe my comprehension is down. But, if a middle of the road rush D-line is "VASTLY IMPROVED", would they then be a top D-line?Sure, you didn't say that verbatim, but you said it.
Otis
Footballguy
I never said they would. I only said they will be worse than they were a week ago.
Hue G
Footballguy
Says the guy who passed on Gore for Mike Bell!!!Caddy? Is that all? What a rip!
stealthrunner
Footballguy
If healthy. He didn't play week 2 even though he said he was ready to go, because the coach didn't feel he was ready. I still say he loses some touches to Ducket at the goalline. The shoulder thing may nag him the whole year. Who knows.
Riffraff
Footballguy
I know you meant it as sarcasm, but you may actually be right.Funny thing is if Gore does it for two more weeks, people have to call him a stud regardless of injury history (see Priest Holmes). One has to "become a stud" at some point. Maybe his was week 1.If he had taken over for Barlow mid-season last season like LJ took over for Priest, he'd probably be rated about the same (minus the supposed OL prowess). Funny how a few weeks makes the world of difference.Sometimes you just have to hitch your trailer to the wagon and hope you are right.Caddy? Is that all? What a rip!
Ted Stickles
Footballguy
Just traded Gore for Edge and Hasselbeck in a non-PPR league. Drafted Plummer and Brooks at QB 
so I had to pull the trigger.
so I had to pull the trigger.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Pawned him off with some other players to get LJ.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Who wins this trade:
Tiki Barber for Gore and Joe Horn?
Standard scoring, no ppr.
Tiki Barber for Gore and Joe Horn?
Standard scoring, no ppr.
Dt's Mules
Footballguy
i think most would say the guy who got tiki, but i have been on the gore wagon for a while myself (drafted him last year in a contract league) and think gore might actaully be a top 5'er at the end of this year.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
The Gore owner ALWAYS wins.
suchislife
Footballguy
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fatboyj711
Footballguy
i have a funny feeling that all the gore threads will be bumped tonight... "bump"I feel like such a tool.16 carries for 52 yards. 0 for 3 at the goal line.
I am sure someone mentioned in one of the Gore threads that last week was certainly the sell high week as the Niners were playing the Eagles this week. Maybe this week is a good buy low week for Franky. Amazing how perception changes week to week.
Not that anyone cares but I was a sell high guy last week and atleast at this point am feeling pretty good. Lets just hope Portis holds up the rest of the season.
Not that anyone cares but I was a sell high guy last week and atleast at this point am feeling pretty good. Lets just hope Portis holds up the rest of the season.
I am sure someone mentioned in one of the Gore threads that last week was certainly the sell high week as the Niners were playing the Eagles this week. Maybe this week is a good buy low week for Franky. Amazing how perception changes week to week.
Not that anyone cares but I was a sell high guy last week and atleast at this point am feeling pretty good. Lets just hope Portis holds up the rest of the season.
Not that anyone cares but I was a sell high guy last week and atleast at this point am feeling pretty good. Lets just hope Portis holds up the rest of the season.
Otis
Footballguy
Robinson practically waltzed into the end zone twice. You need to go back and reread the thread, champ.1. I never said the Eagles run defense would be bad. They're still obviously better than the other teams the Niners have faced. Go look at my other postings in other threads, including the game thread, where I said this was going to be Gore's first challenge.2. I still say that your statement about the loss of Kearse is ridiculous. Losing a star defensive end does not weaken the run D? Get a grip.If you're gonna bother bumping a thread to make a point, at least have it make sense.I feel like such a tool.
Otis
Footballguy
Par for the course here, which is what makes this place seem so utterly ridiculous sometimes.A guy who was tracking Ladanian Tomlinson's output a week ago and praised as a newfound star is suddenly in a fight for his job this week.Comical.
