From a 1942 Life magazine, invasion maps of NA by the Nazis (1 Viewer)

[badmojo1006]

Interesting battle of Detriot and the invasion of Norfolk Va.

 

[Mario Kart]

We need a hypothetical RISK game board based off of these diagrams.

 

[ODoyleRules]

Plan 6 was clearly designed by a lover of the game Risk.

 

[ODoyleRules]

We need a hypothetical RISK game board based off of these diagrams.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Interesting. But those plans would have been logistically impossible in the 1940s.

Edit: Unless nukes were involved.

 

[Dr. Bronner]

Ugh, I thought these were going to be actual Nazi plans.

 

[rascal]

Illustrates just how difficult it would be for a country to attack us here in the states. Except for Canada and Mexico. I say take them over just to be safe.

 

[ODoyleRules]

Illustrates just how difficult it would be for a country to attack us here in the states. Except for Canada and Mexico. I say take them over just to be safe.

WOLVERINES!

 

[Mario Kart]

We need a hypothetical RISK game board based off of these diagrams.

Notice how none of the plans involved going through the Ukraine? Even in the 40's they knew the Ukraine is weak, feeble.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They were talking about something like 1 million casualties if we'd invaded Japan in 1945.

The United States had nearly TWICE that number and is a much, much larger land mass. The casualties would have been unsustainable. And even if it were, KEEPING the country subdued after invasion, while maintaining the empire in the rest of the world isn't anywhere near feasible.

 

[kface]

I'm surprised they didn't decide to attack through moose jaw

 

[saintsfan]

The Nazis couldn't invade Britain across the English Channel. They were going to invade the United States across the Atlantic??

Talk about pie in the sky.

 

[Mario Kart]

I like how Plan 3 goes through the Galapagos Islands. What were they going to do there, study the wild life as they refuel?

Plan 3 again, the feint on Hawaii. What, were they going to stick and move or do a rope-a-dope there?

Plan 5, why a rendezvous point in the middle of the water? And, how did the *** fleet get into the Mediterranean? Did they portage through Asia?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Nazis couldn't invade Britain across the English Channel. They were going to invade the United States across the Atlantic??Talk about pie in the sky.

Exactly.

 

[Jewell]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

 

[Rayderr]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

A group of ex-pat aliens. Don't you watch V?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

Tea Partiers, duh.

 

[Black Box]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

Tea Partiers, duh.

 

[trader jake]

So, for the record, they didn't bomb Detroit?

:cheapshot:

 

[Jewell]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

Tea Partiers, duh.

Fifth Columner

 

[moleculo]

interesting. for some reason, the other day I was thinking that if the Nazi's had invaded England instead of USSR, it would have made D-day pretty much impossible. Launching an invasion into Europe isn't doable, I think. We would have had to go through Africa, and that would have been a tough to arm up, what with the Nazi subs and all.

 

[All Your Base Are Belong To Us]

Akron.

 

[Rayderr]

Akron.

The rubber and airship manufacturing made Akron very important during WWII.

 

[Thunderlips]

IIRC, if the Germans were able to defeat Britain.....they thought that German sympathizers in the British government would turn the Royal Navy over to Germany. That would have helped. But I imagine that if Britain lost, there would have been pressure in the Canadian government to be more sympathetic to the Nazi cause. If that the case....who knows what could have happened.

 

[videoguy505]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

The "Fifth Column" was the reasoning behind Japanese Internment during WWII.

 

[All Your Base Are Belong To Us]

Akron.

The rubber and airship manufacturing made Akron very important during WWII.

Well, sure, but I don't think sacking Goodyear was the key to victory here. And honestly, the Nazis were more enamored with airships than anyone else. Funny thing is that we held all of the helium. Sorry, Hindenberg.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Akron.

The rubber and airship manufacturing made Akron very important during WWII.

Well, sure, but I don't think sacking Goodyear was the key to victory here. And honestly, the Nazis were more enamored with airships than anyone else. Funny thing is that we held all of the helium. Sorry, Hindenberg.

No but taking out the manufacturing in Ohio and Detroit would be a key to victory.

 

[All Your Base Are Belong To Us]

Akron.

The rubber and airship manufacturing made Akron very important during WWII.

Well, sure, but I don't think sacking Goodyear was the key to victory here. And honestly, the Nazis were more enamored with airships than anyone else. Funny thing is that we held all of the helium. Sorry, Hindenberg.

No but taking out the manufacturing in Ohio and Detroit would be a key to victory.

Can we stop defending Akron?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Plans 4,5,6 depict a "Fifth Column" within the United States. I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column? I'm assuming they were guessing that some members of the sizeable German population in the midwest would join them. Interesting stuff.

The "Fifth Column" was the reasoning behind Japanese Internment during WWII.

That's silly. The internet wasn't even invented during WWII!

 

[Dr. Bronner]

The Nazis couldn't invade Britain across the English Channel. They were going to invade the United States across the Atlantic??Talk about pie in the sky.

Goes to show just how easily people were stirred up back then. Greatest Generation...more like Greatest Generation of Rubes if you ask me.

 

[Jewell]

No but taking out the manufacturing in Ohio and Detroit would be a key to victory.

Either taking it over or knocking it out so the Allies couldn't benefit from it. The Wiki page on Attacks on North America by the Axis Powers (fascinating page) has a few different entries that fit this bill...

-- The United States mainland was first shelled by the Axis on February 23, 1942 when the Japanese submarine I-17 attacked the Ellwood Oil Field west of Goleta, near Santa Barbara, California. Although only a pumphouse and catwalk at one oil well were damaged, I-17 captain Nishino Kozo radioed Tokyo that he had left Santa Barbara in flames.

-- On June 20, 1942, the Japanese submarine I-26, under the command of Yokota Minoru, fired 25-30 rounds of 5.5" shells at the Estevan Point lighthouse on Vancouver Island in British Columbia, but failed to hit its target. This marked the first enemy shelling of Canadian soil since the War of 1812. Though no casualties were reported, the subsequent decision to turn off the lights of outer stations was disastrous for shipping activity.

-- On June 12, 1942, the U-boat U-202 landed Dasch's team with explosives and plans at East Hampton, Long Island, New York. Their mission was to destroy power plants at Niagara Falls and three Aluminum Company of America (ALCOA) factories in Illinois, Tennessee and New York. Dasch instead turned himself in to the FBI, providing them with a complete account of the planned mission, which led to the arrest of the entire team.

-- Kerling's team landed from U-584 at Ponte Vedra Beach (25 miles [40 km] south-east of Jacksonville, Florida), on June 17. They were tasked with laying mines in four areas: the Pennsylvania Railroad in Newark, New Jersey, canal sluices in both St. Louis and Cincinnati, and New York City's water supply pipes. The team made their way to Cincinnati, Ohio and split up, with two going to Chicago, Illinois and the others to New York. The Dasch confession led to the arrest of all of the men by July 10.

I wonder who they thought would comprise this Fifth Column?

And that Wiki page also has the answer to this...Duquesne Spy Ring: Even before the war, a large Nazi spy ring was found operating in the United States. The Duquesne Spy Ring is still the largest espionage case in United States history that ended in convictions. The 33 German agents that formed the Duquesne spy ring were placed in key jobs in the United States to get information that could be used in the event of war and to carry out acts of sabotage: one person opened a restaurant and used his position to get information from his customers; another person worked on an airline so that he could report allied ships that were crossing the Atlantic Ocean; others in the ring worked as delivery persons so that they could deliver secret messages alongside normal messages.

The ring was led by Captain Fritz Joubert Duquesne, a South African Boer who spied for Germany in both World Wars and is best known as "The man who killed Kitchener" after he was awarded the Iron Cross for his key role in the sabotage and sinking of HMS Hampshire in 1916. William G. Sebold, a double agent for the United States, was a major factor in the FBI's successful resolution of this case. For nearly two years, Sebold ran a radio station in New York for the ring, giving the FBI valuable information on what Germany was sending to its spies in the United States while also controlling the information that was being transmitted to Germany. On June 29, 1941, the FBI closed in. All 33 spies were arrested, found guilty, and sentenced to serve a total of over 300 years in prison.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Interesting battle of Detriot and the invasion of Norfolk Va.

Life Magazine and their blatant fear-mongering...

 

[DiStefano]

I think the Germans got their hopes up after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

But it wasn't over yet.

 

[Mario Kart]

I think the Germans got their hopes up after they bombed Pearl Harbor. But it wasn't over yet.

True, the Japanese should never have gone into Russia in the winter. What were they thinking? Oh well, at least Japan got through the Maginot Line.

 

[DiStefano]

I think the Germans got their hopes up after they bombed Pearl Harbor. But it wasn't over yet.

True, the Japanese should never have gone into Russia in the winter. What were they thinking? Oh well, at least Japan got through the Maginot Line.

Yes. They shouldn't have invaded the Soviet Union. It led to them getting crushed at the Battle of Khalkhyn Gol.

 

[17seconds]

I was in Detroit recently and I think they made it there.

 

[Bri]

Illustrates just how difficult it would be for a country to attack us here in the states. Except for Canada and Mexico.

But in WWII we were extremely vulnerable as we sent an extremely high percentage of our military and weapons overseas. We did not have the means to defend a serious attack.There were many battles in WWII that were extremely difficult with a slim chance of success. Following Pearl Harbor, we're fortunate that did not breed the confidence necessary to make an attack.They were engaged, so the notion of opposing countries leaving an operation and heading here didn't seem likely but at any point when the focus shifted to a new region we were at risk.We built many major cities near water which is about the worst possible spot in a war.

 

[DiStefano]

Illustrates just how difficult it would be for a country to attack us here in the states. Except for Canada and Mexico.

But in WWII we were extremely vulnerable as we sent an extremely high percentage of our military and weapons overseas. We did not have the means to defend a serious attack.There were many battles in WWII that were extremely difficult with a slim chance of success. Following Pearl Harbor, we're fortunate that did not breed the confidence necessary to make an attack.They were engaged, so the notion of opposing countries leaving an operation and heading here didn't seem likely but at any point when the focus shifted to a new region we were at risk.We built many major cities near water which is about the worst possible spot in a war.

The most difficult military operation of all is launching an amphibious attack far from home base. Only Japan and the US (with the assistance of allies), were able to do it. It required command of the seas and of the air; Germany had no way of crossing 21 miles of the English Channel, let alone 3 thousand miles of ocean.

 

[Bri]

Illustrates just how difficult it would be for a country to attack us here in the states. Except for Canada and Mexico.

But in WWII we were extremely vulnerable as we sent an extremely high percentage of our military and weapons overseas. We did not have the means to defend a serious attack.There were many battles in WWII that were extremely difficult with a slim chance of success. Following Pearl Harbor, we're fortunate that did not breed the confidence necessary to make an attack.They were engaged, so the notion of opposing countries leaving an operation and heading here didn't seem likely but at any point when the focus shifted to a new region we were at risk.We built many major cities near water which is about the worst possible spot in a war.

The most difficult military operation of all is launching an amphibious attack far from home base. Only Japan and the US (with the assistance of allies), were able to do it. It required command of the seas and of the air; Germany had no way of crossing 21 miles of the English Channel, let alone 3 thousand miles of ocean.

I figure Japan could have.I wasn't specifying Germany but they built an impressive arsenal for what they hoped to achieve. I figure they could have built ships suitable for such a task if they wanted to. There was alot to respect about their military and not their purpose of course.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

What would the outcome have been if the Germans had gotten the Ark of the Covenant?

 

[Adebisi]

Ugh, I thought these were going to be actual Nazi plans.

Me too. Lame.

 

[Fensalk]

Axis should have just been happy with their conquests at the start of the war.

 

[jon_mx]

Interesting battle of Detriot and the invasion of Norfolk Va.

If Germans were smart, they would have just entered in Mexico and invaded from that open boarder.

 

[DiStefano]

Interesting battle of Detriot and the invasion of Norfolk Va.

If Germans were smart, they would have just entered in Mexico and invaded from that open border.

And once they were here, the liberals would have supported them.

 

[pantherclub]

They were talking about something like 1 million casualties if we'd invaded Japan in 1945. The United States had nearly TWICE that number and is a much, much larger land mass. The casualties would have been unsustainable. And even if it were, KEEPING the country subdued after invasion, while maintaining the empire in the rest of the world isn't anywhere near feasible.

So what would have happened if we didnt join the war and Germany finally beat Great Britian?

 

[Thunderlips]

What would the outcome have been if the Germans had gotten the Ark of the Covenant?

Good God!

 

[DiStefano]

They were talking about something like 1 million casualties if we'd invaded Japan in 1945. The United States had nearly TWICE that number and is a much, much larger land mass. The casualties would have been unsustainable. And even if it were, KEEPING the country subdued after invasion, while maintaining the empire in the rest of the world isn't anywhere near feasible.

So what would have happened if we didnt join the war and Germany finally beat Great Britian?

The USSR and Germany would have signed a cease fire because of war exhaustion and the millions of deaths. They would have partitioned Poland between them, and Germany would have controlled most of Central Europe.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They were talking about something like 1 million casualties if we'd invaded Japan in 1945. The United States had nearly TWICE that number and is a much, much larger land mass. The casualties would have been unsustainable. And even if it were, KEEPING the country subdued after invasion, while maintaining the empire in the rest of the world isn't anywhere near feasible.

So what would have happened if we didnt join the war and Germany finally beat Great Britian?

I don't think the British would have stayed beaten.

What would the outcome have been if the Germans had gotten the Ark of the Covenant?

Good God!

Meh. We saw what happened. They opened it and God melted them. Imagine what happened on that island happening instead at a Nuremburg-type rally.

 

[pantherclub]

They were talking about something like 1 million casualties if we'd invaded Japan in 1945. The United States had nearly TWICE that number and is a much, much larger land mass. The casualties would have been unsustainable. And even if it were, KEEPING the country subdued after invasion, while maintaining the empire in the rest of the world isn't anywhere near feasible.

So what would have happened if we didnt join the war and Germany finally beat Great Britian?

The USSR and Germany would have signed a cease fire because of war exhaustion and the millions of deaths. They would have partitioned Poland between them, and Germany would have controlled most of Central Europe.

Would it have been business as usual for the US of A under that scenario?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The USSR and Germany would have signed a cease fire because of war exhaustion and the millions of deaths. They would have partitioned Poland between them, and Germany would have controlled most of Central Europe.

Would it have been business as usual for the US of A under that scenario?

I don't think Germany & Russia would have come to terms - two biggest dogs on the porch and all that.Even if they did, I think the U.S. would have held its nose and gone about business as usual, yes. Until either Germany or Russia destroyed each other.